On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Fabio Tranchitella <kob...@kobold.it> wrote: > * 2010-03-03 20:41, Chris McDonough wrote: >> Why wouldn't that be worked out here? Is it because you just want the >> mechanics of such a project done elsewhere without having to see it >> talked about on this maillist? Or is it because you disagree that it >> should be done? Or... what? > > The main issue is related to the different use cases we have for the ZTK: > some people use (or want to use) the ZTK as a monolithic set of packages > that can be considered "somehow" the upgrade path from zope3 with the > exclusion of zope.app.* (if possible). > > Others (like me and you, Chris) see the ZTK as a set of core packages > (mainly the bicycle repair kit, which is not the only self-contained subset > of useful packages though) plus a huge load of dependencies we are bringing > forward from the "old" zope3 releases.
Others, like me and Martijn and probably many many others, see the ZTK as a set of packages that can be used in various subsets and combination. We want as few dependencies as possible. We also want a configuration of versions that are known to work together because they are tested together. We want stability and we want processes that will help us move forward. I don't think the people who want to advance Blue Bream are really all that different. > Our points of view are totally different, I don't think so. Where we seem to differ is on the specific point of change management, and especially testing. > and I suppose the first group of > people fear that fragmentation can influence the quality and stability of > the ZTK as a whole. The ZTK was created in part to deal with instability issues arising from people working on parts without testing the whole. > In my opinion, we can only gain defining explicitly the bicycle repair kit > if somebody is willing to maintain it (and I refer to documentation and > marketing stuff, not code because it is already very stable). If this > cannot be done with consensus on zope-dev, but a group of people is really > interested in it, I don't think it can be or should be stopped and, TBH, I > don't see how it can influence the ZTK. I don't think anyone is objecting to marketing efforts. Even these core components will need maintenance and updates from time to time. *An* important question is how these changes will be ma naged in the context of the larger community. Jim -- Jim Fulton _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )