Jeff's post are well-thought and address real concerns. Thanks for
thinking about these issues thoroughly, issues I have also discussed
on several occasions privately.

OTOH, your comment, Max, is unfair. Being convinced that Rails sucks
is once thing, convincing the 37Signals/Tim O'Reilly brainwashed crowd
is another one.

  S.

On 3/5/06, Max M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Geoff Davis wrote:
> > Jeff Shell has posted some thought-provoking pieces on his blog that are
> > relevant to Jim's recent attempt to better articulate a vision for Zope:
> >
> > http://griddlenoise.blogspot.com/2006/03/zope-crisis-of-faith-coming-this-march.html
> >
> > http://griddlenoise.blogspot.com/2006/03/crisis-of-faith-messengers-have-been.html
>
>
> Griddle *Noise* and thats exactly what it is... noise.
>
> He is probably following the discussions on the lists, and then he is
> publishing his view on them on his blog instead of participating in the
> dicsussion.
>
>
> We have probably all seen the Ruby On rails in 15 minutes video, where
> they showcase their take on nineties web technology.
>
> I could probably do one that is a lot more impressive with an UML tool,
> Plone, archetypes and ArchgenXML. And it would most likely last 10
> minutes... if I talked very very slowly.
>
>
> But that is not the point. He rants about Rails. But what are the
> visions of rails? I don't see that anywhere on their website either.
>
> He is just another developer who wants Zope to consists of only those
> elements that he is insterrested in.
>
> In other words. Just like the rails, people he wants the freedom to
> reinvent the wheel. Poorly.
>
>
> --
>
> hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark
>
> http://www.mxm.dk/
> IT's Mad Science
>
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