> >> Alternatively, we could use our energy to actually work together on a > >> new website instead of competing. There's a zope-web mailing list, > >> after all, so go and talk there. This would have my preference. > > > > If you want to fix the Zope 2 website at the same time as branding Zope > > 3, I fear it is a monumental task that will never happen. > > Yes, that is indeed a risk that I'm well aware of. Still, I think we can > present a good 'brochure' about Zope 2 on a unified website. Whatever we > do, we should definitely sketch out the relationship between the two > projects, something that is now completely missing. Zope 2 needs > marketing as much as Zope 3.
I feel as though zope2 has marketing and a website -- it's zope.org. While zope.org could be improved, I hold that the central issue is zope3 lacking a coherent identity outside of zope2. I would envision: * zope.org giving a moderate foothold to zope3 on the front page, but devoting the content to zope2. * zope3.org being all zope3 all the time. Clearly, we need to introduce zope3 in the context of zope2, but zope3 needs to take the front seat. Again, zope3 needs a unique identity. I liked the way the distinction that Lennart presented earlier on the list: "Zope 2 was for creating web sites, and it was too damn good so it got used as an application server too. Zope 3 is a dedicated application server built with the experience of Zope2." I'm paraphrasing, but I thought the idea is nectar: Zope2 was so successful that it became a victim of its own success in a few regards. I think this idea would be the optimal tack on presenting Zope3 as completely independent yet in the context of a successful Zope2 project. > > The Zope 2 website is so big, and has so much content that it should > > have somebody working on it full time if it needs changing. > > Perhaps this "monumental" approach to a zope site is wrong. Microsites > > with well defined boundaries, that a few or a single person could be > > responsible for might be a better approach. > > Yes. Rest assured my ambition is to keep ambitions as low as possible. > :) Otherwise nothing will happen. I think Martijn's right on here with keeping ambitions low, and I think he's done a great job on zope3-web. As for competition v. a monolithic community effort -- we want to be in the middle here. I submit that the best way would be to divide and conquer through competition. In true Zope3 spirit, let one of our hotshots / benevolent dictators define a common format and put forth the components that we will want -- ie, the front page blurb, distinctions of Zope 2 and 3, getting started, the documentation, and so forth and so on. With these components, allow submissions for each. As Martijn alluded, I doubt that more than a handful of people have the free time / desire to design an entire brochure website. But together we could each put our best foot forward on a specific section. Then, as a community, we could select how to best use (and further mix) the components that we think our best. In any event, I can see zope3.org, and it looks glooorious. I say we get this baby live by the August release of Samuel L. Jackson's upcoming movie "Snakes on a Plane". _______________________________________________ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3email@example.com http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users