Zope2 + DTML + Python and you're good to go. I know a bunch of
developers/designers, including myself that use this combo all the
time. I currently use it for projects at a Fortune 500 company. The
docs suck but once you get in the groove you can bang out solid,
stable, good looking, standard compliant sites unbelievably fast.
Acquisition can be your best friend and you reuse a lot of your coding
for multiple projects. There are still developers on this list who use
DTML over ZPT, they just dont post much to it because of the ZPT
backlash you get when you do. I've gotten private messages off this
list from people though about DTML so there is support out there. Its
true that most of the products for Zope 2 have been updated in a while
but I can tell you that most will work fine with the latest Zope 2
release and are very customizable. The Zope2 ecosystem is pretty
mature and stable just poorly documented or supported. I do think
you'll probably get the "Zope Zen" quicker than you think and be able
to figure out a lot on your own.
On Nov 26, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Rene B wrote:
I'm frustrated trying to select a python web framework. I’ve
researched quite a
few. CherryPy,Karrigell,Zope 2,3,Grok, Gluon,Django,Mod_Python. I’ve
also
looked at templating languages like Spyce, and Cheetah.
I’m beginning to think there’s nothing out there for a newbie python
programmer like myself. I’m a Network Admin that likes programming
but
doesn’t have the time to get really proficient at it.
I selected Python as a language of choice and that’s all I’ve used.
I’ve
written a few scripts .
I’m interested in building dynamic web sites but I tell you it’s
impossible to
select a tool.
I’ve researched all the tools mentioned above. The most important
thing in my
decision is that I know some Python and want to use it to build the
dynamic
site. I don’t want to learn a new language to do that. ZPT is a new
language.
Its not python. Not even close. Out of all the ones I’ve
researched I like
Zope 2 the best. Not sure why. I want some thing easy. I like
DTML. It’s
easy. I know why ZPT has it’s advantages but for ease of use it
doesn’t come
close to DTML. Most people like me wont be building complex web
sites and I’d
be the only working on it meaning I’ll do the HTML layout and code
the dynamic
portions of it. So I don’t’ need to worry about an HTML editor
getting
confused with the dynamic languages mixed in blah blah blah.
I’m afraid to learn Zope 2 because I have no idea what direction
it’s going in.
Not to mention I don’t particularly like ZPT. I’ve read DTML isn’t
going
anywhere but I don’t imagine I’ll get much support on it when
needed and I’m
sure people will be telling me to use ZPT cause DTML is dead.
Funny, I read something while reading news about Grok’s new plugins
for any
template language . They used Genshi as an example and talked about
template
languages and which one is better etc.. The bottom line was "use the
one that
you like". So I wish people would stop putting down DTML or others
over the
one they prefer and continue to help those regardless of which they
choose.
Back to trying to choose. I think Django is too hard. I like
Mod_python with
PSP. PSP seems to be more python like then anything I’ve seen. Yet
Mod_Python
has terrible docs for people like me and it doesn't seem to popular.
The other frameworks have some good ideas. I like Karrigell but you
just don’t
know how long it will be supported.Gluon is cool but its new. Zope
3 is out of
the question. Grok looks to me like another CherryPy. It may be
easier the
Zope 3 but it’s not easier then Zope 2. Plus I’ve yet to get it
installed on my
windows XP to play.
I like cheetah as a tool. There docs are not that great and not many
examples.
Plus no auto generated content like you get in Zope 2. Yes some
magic is
good. The CRUD is what made Rails over rated to start out
with.People like some
magic. saves time. Combining Cheetah and Zope sounds interesting to
me.
So what do I do. I like Zope 2. I can’t find any books on it
released after
2002. Plone is tooo much.
There aren’t any new products out for Zope 2 and the ones that are
there
haven’t been touched for years.
Zope 2 wiki seems dead. I was looking the other day for some type
of auto
CRUD for Zope 2. couldn’t find anyting. No one seems to be adding
anything new
to Zope 2 which scares me the most.
If I take the time to learn a tool I want to make sure it’s going to
be around
for awhile and have good support and new addons being added all of
the time to
help me.
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