Nicole, yes, Rosato I think, across the road. Ok with me. Cheers Peter Peter G Burton PhD http://homepage.mac.com/blinkcentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] intl 61 (0) 400 194 333
On Wednesday, October 15, 2008, at 09:08PM, "Ben Goertzel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Matt wrote, in reply to me: > > >> > An AI twice as smart as any human could figure >> > out how to use the resources at his disposal to >> > help him create an AI 3 times as smart as any >> > human. These AI's will not be brains in vats. >> > They will have resources at their disposal. >> >> It depends on what you mean by "twice as smart". Do you mean twice as many >> brain cells? Twice as much memory? Twice as fast? Twice as much knowledge? >> Able to score 200 on an adult IQ test (if such a thing existed)? >> >> Unless you tell me otherwise, I have to assume that it means "able to do >> what 2 people can do" (or 3 or 10, the exact number isn't important). In >> that case, I have to argue it is the global brain that is creating the AI >> with a very tiny bit of help from the parent AI. You would get the same >> result by hiring more people. > > > >Whatever ... > >You are IMO just distracting attention from the main point, by making odd >definitions... > >No, of course my colloquial phrase "twice as smart" does not mean "as smart >as two people put together". That is not the accepted interpretation of >that colloquialism and you know it! > >To make my statement clearer, one approach is to forget about quantitating >intelligence for the moment... > >Let's talk about qualitative differences in intelligence. Do you agree that >a dog is qualitatively much more intelligent than a roach, and a human is >qualitatively much more intelligent than a dog? > >In this sense I could replace > >> An AI twice as smart as any human could figure >> out how to use the resources at his disposal to >> help him create an AI 3 times as smart as any >> human. These AI's will not be brains in vats. >> They will have resources at their disposal. > >with > >**** >An AI that is qualitatively much smarter than > any human could figure > out how to use the resources at his disposal to > help it create an AI that is qualitatively much >smarter than it. > > These AI's will not be brains in vats. > They will have resources at their disposal. >**** > >On the other hand, if you insist on mathematical >definitions of intelligence, we could talk about, say, >the intelligence of a system >as the "total prediction difficulty of >the set S of sequences, with the property that the >system can predict S during a period of time >of length T". We can define prediction difficulty >as Shane Legg does in his PhD thesis. We can >then average this over various time-lengths T, >using some appropriate weighting function. > >(I'm not positing the above as an ideal definition >of intelligence ... just throwing one definition >out there... my conceptual point is quite independent >of the specific definition of intelligence you choose) > >Using this sort of definition, my statement is surely >true, though it would take work to prove it. > >Using this sort of definition, a system A2 that is >twice as smart as system A1, if allowed to interact >with an appropriate >environment vastly more complex than either >of the systems, would surely be capable of modifying >itself into a system A3 that is twice as smart as A2. > >This seems extremely obvious and I don't want to >spend time right now proving it formally. No doubt >writing out the proof would reveal various mathematical >conditions on the theorem statement... > >-- Ben G > > > >------------------------------------------- >agi >Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=117534816-b15a34 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
