Well I got belittled Sean just because I am not very proficient with a PC. Once 
was enough thanks.

From: Sean Jorgensen-Day 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 8:22 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' 
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] New MOSP 3 250hr max Form 2 life

Mike,

                As it happens CAD has responded on the gfaforum :- there is no 
extra requirement for a Form 2 pack – so hence no extra cost.

 

                The gfaforum has proved very successful in extracting an answer 
from the GFA. The answer was informative  and did not come with any 
“rebuttal/belittlement/denigration of the originator. “

 

 

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Monday, 3 August 2015 8:19 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
<aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] New MOSP 3 250hr max Form 2 life

 



It is pretty obviously just another way of raising money. If the high use 
gliders are getting 100 hour/3 month inspections there is obviously no safety 
issue here. GFA just wants to charge for another Form 2 pack.

It is just like the brilliant tug pilot tax.  Forcing tug pilots to belong to 
GFA is just another dumb move. The claim CASA didn't want to worry about tow 
ratings  doesn't ring true. They still need to issue them for banner towing. 
Simplifying the tow rating or eliminating it by just 

requiring a proper briefing might actually help the sport.

I've had lots of launches behind pilots who weren't GFA members. At Beverley in 
the 1970s Dave Woodward organised not just a towplane but a standby one that 
could be called on complete with pilot. There have been times at contests when 
ag planes complete with pilots 

have been hired. Forcing GFA membership on the pilots will in many cases either 
result in the pilots saying "screw that!" when required to join the GFA or the 
club/contest organisers  will have to buy a membership for each. Hence the 
"tax".

Unfortunately there is nothing that anyone can do about either as the GFA Board 
own the organisation and aren't subject to either adult supervision or the 
discipline of elections by the "members". 

As for the GFA chat forum, why would anyone bother? Anything regarded as 
controversial by the Board will not see the light of day or if it does come 
complete with rebuttal/belittlement/denigration of the originator. 

Mike




At 08:11 PM 30/07/2015, you wrote:

  In the most recent draft of MOSP 3 (19 June 2015), a new requirement has been 
added in by the GFA. A form 2 now lasts only for the lesser of 250 hours, or 12 
months (Section 11.3.2). Particularly for clubs with high use two seaters, this 
is an extremely expensive burden. For example, at Southern Cross, this means 
we'll be almost doubling our Form 2 inspections across the fleet in any given 
12 month period. Our DG1000 will be probably subject to 3 most years.

  Is anyone aware of the rationale behind this change? Considering most of 
these high use gliders are already subject to 100hrly and/or 3 month 
inspections, it seems like an extremely expensive exercise that is will not 
make us any safer. These gliders have been operating for years or decades with 
a single yearly main checkup.

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