While not participating, I’m actually finding it interesting and if I lose interest, there’s always:
Regards, Greg From: ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com [mailto:ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 11:28 PM To: ausDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed Do we have, or do we want to have, a general OT list? There must be some ppl losing patience with some of these threads. On 24 February 2010 15:27, mike smith <meski...@gmail.com> wrote: I mean, its failures are not necessarily the fault of the nuclear plants themselves..... On 24 February 2010 15:25, <ton...@tpg.com.au> wrote: yep, exactly. So don't follow Spain then! On Wed, Feb 24th, 2010 at 3:24 PM, mike smith <meski...@gmail.com> wrote: > Spain isn't a poster child for good economy. > > On 24 February 2010 14:24, <ton...@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > > Nuclear plant in Finland 3-5billion over budget > > Siemens Areva Finish govt in law suit love triangle > > Areva just bought Multibird wind turbines and Ausra solar thermal > > so they're so sure of Nuclear that they're diversiftying into > renewables > > Spain's SENER built the successful nukes in spain -- has now > stopped and is > > building molten salt > > power tower solar thermal plants 24 hour baseload solar plants > > and when they built the nukes they didn't want to own them > > As for some other nuke plants in Spain that failed to get > commissioned > > Spain lost 6 billion euro's > > on these. > > 6 billion euro's -- no power out the other end -- economic > modelling not > > required > > > > bad investment > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 24th, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Paul Gaske <p...@codify.com> > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:37 AM, mike smith > <meski...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On 23 February 2010 21:29, Tony Wright <ton...@tpg.com.au> > wrote: > > > > > > > >> And you don’t need to go nuclear. Nuclear as it currently > > > stands is just > > > >> a disgraceful option. The radioactive waste in current > nuclear > > > reactors with > > > >> current technology takes 10,000 years to break down. > > > >> > > > > > > > > That would be excluding IFR reactors? Why exclude the best > > > technology when > > > > you quote figures? > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor> > > > > Even more comprehensive are systems such as the Integral Fast > > > Reactor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_Fast_Reactor> > (IFR) > > > > pyroprocessing system, which uses pools of molten > > > cadmium<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium> and > > > > electrorefiners to reprocess metallic fuel directly on-site at > the > > > reactor. > > > > [9] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor#cite_note-8> > > > Such > > > > systems not only commingle all the minor actinides with both > > > uranium and > > > > plutonium, they are compact and self-contained, so that no > > > > plutonium-containing material ever needs to be transported > away > > > from the > > > > site of the breeder reactor. > > > > > > > > > > > Just to add to the nuclear option; thorium reactors producing 3% > of > > > the > > > waste of a traditional nuclear reactor. Additionally, the waste > > > produced > > > has a half-life of 500 years. > > > > > > http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/scripts98/9820/rundown.htm#thorium > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Paul Gaske (p...@codify.com) > > > Software Engineer > > > Codify Pty Ltd - www.codify.com > > > Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: > +61 > > > 417 > > > 791 916 > > > Address Info: http://www.codify.com/AboutUs/ContactDetails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Meski > > "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, > you'll > get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills > -- Meski "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills -- Meski "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
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