The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 405 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <E30> strut brace Re: <E30> strut brace Re: <E30> strut brace Re: <E30> strut brace Re: <E30> strut brace Re: <E30> strut brace Re: <E30> strut brace Re: Garage Battery Charger Question Need a good, HONEST, shop in San Diego Best way to ship seats? Estimated cost? Re: Best way to ship seats? Estimated cost? Re: Need a good, HONEST, shop in San Diego
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:24:58 +0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <E30> strut brace Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Clarence, any chance you'd have an opportunity to do any before-after testing on the strut brace? Lap times or skidpad numbers? It would make an interesting study. Way back when the E30 and E28 were current models, Steve Dinan gave a suspension presentation at a GGC monthly membership meeting (that was when we actually had monthly menbership meetings, those were the days). He discussed springs, shocks/struts, sway bars, camber modifications, alignment specs, wheels and tires, all kinds of neat stuff. Eventually someone asked him about strut braces. His reply went something like this: If you've already changed wheels, tires, springs, shocks and struts, sway bars, camber, and maybe bushings, and you are actually able to drive the car to its limits, and you still need a few hundreths of a second improvement in lap times, buy a strut brace. At the time of his presentation, Dinan did not offer strut braces. Years later he added them to his product mix. Guess he must have figured that people were going to buy them anyway, so they might as well buy them from him. Anyway, I know from experience that there are folks out there who will swear by their strut braces and will insist that they make a world of difference. Thus my question. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:15:15 -0600 >From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> >Subject: <E30> strut brace >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >My '87 325 has H&R springs, Bilstein Sports and the M3 control arm >bushings but no other modifications. A garage that had aligned it told >me what amount of negative camber there was (don't remember the number) >and he suggested it was probably right for my purposes; he knew I >tracked the car. > >I've now come into possession of a strut brace. My question is 'if I >install the brace, and it would appear the tops of the struts may have >to be pushed out a little, will I then loose any negative camber?' If >so, and for track purposes, am I better to not install the brace? > >I do not have any problems with adverse tire wear at this time, other >than the outsides, front and back, get eaten IMO too much at the track. > >TIA > >Clarence >West Bend, WI ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:11:54 -0800 From: Mark Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <E30> strut brace Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think strut braces are helpful on the E30 cabrio, although a solid bar, like the Sparco or IE is likely more effective than the hinged Eibach bar I currently run. Mark Gold Sacramento Valley BMWCCA On Feb 22, 2007, at 1:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Clarence, any chance you'd have an opportunity to do any before- > after testing on the strut brace? Lap times or skidpad numbers? > It would make an interesting study. > > Way back when the E30 and E28 were current models, Steve Dinan gave > a suspension presentation at a GGC monthly membership meeting (that > was when we actually had monthly menbership meetings, those were > the days). He discussed springs, shocks/struts, sway bars, camber > modifications, alignment specs, wheels and tires, all kinds of neat > stuff. Eventually someone asked him about strut braces. His reply > went something like this: If you've already changed wheels, tires, > springs, shocks and struts, sway bars, camber, and maybe bushings, > and you are actually able to drive the car to its limits, and you > still need a few hundreths of a second improvement in lap times, > buy a strut brace. > > At the time of his presentation, Dinan did not offer strut braces. > Years later he added them to his product mix. Guess he must have > figured that people were going to buy them anyway, so they might as > well buy them from him. > > Anyway, I know from experience that there are folks out there who > will swear by their strut braces and will insist that they make a > world of difference. Thus my question. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > >> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:15:15 -0600 >> From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> >> Subject: <E30> strut brace >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> My '87 325 has H&R springs, Bilstein Sports and the M3 control arm >> bushings but no other modifications. A garage that had aligned it >> told >> me what amount of negative camber there was (don't remember the >> number) >> and he suggested it was probably right for my purposes; he knew I >> tracked the car. >> >> I've now come into possession of a strut brace. My question is 'if I >> install the brace, and it would appear the tops of the struts may >> have >> to be pushed out a little, will I then loose any negative >> camber?' If >> so, and for track purposes, am I better to not install the brace? >> >> I do not have any problems with adverse tire wear at this time, other >> than the outsides, front and back, get eaten IMO too much at the >> track. >> >> TIA >> >> Clarence >> West Bend, WI > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/ > bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the > BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:07:21 -0500 From: carguy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Uucdigest Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <E30> strut brace Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've always regarded strut bars as being more about maintaining the integrity of the unibody under prolonged and/or repetitive arduous use, rather than as a strict "performance" piece. Of course, I have as much data to support that opinion as those who claim faster lap times... Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 '01 740i Sport ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:48:49 -0800 From: bbarry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: carguy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Uucdigest Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <E30> strut brace Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Strut bars may not make the E30 specifically faster but they can help prevent long term stress cracking at the shock tower to inner fender wall area. Why I say it won't make it faster is based on a potent E30 autocrosser I built that lost to another BMW only twice in three seasons, ~50 events, always it's driver's and not the car's fault. Built with a minimal budget it was on the leading edge of what an E30 street car could handle like, yet never had a strut brace. Barry Btw that car also let me see first hand the vicious sour grapes deep pocketed bloated egos will take out when a driver and tuner at the top of their game show up and demonstrate just what's possible. But that's for another thread. carguy wrote: > I've always regarded strut bars as being more about maintaining the > integrity of the unibody under prolonged and/or repetitive arduous > use, rather than as a strict "performance" piece. Of course, I have > as much data to support that opinion as those who claim faster lap > times... > Martin Bullen > '95 M3 > '97 Z3 2.8 > '01 740i Sport ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:24:37 -0500 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Uucdigest Digest" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <E30> strut brace Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A few years ago, I asked a Mechanic / racer friend of mine about how much good strut brace can do... he tied a piece of string (tightly) between the strut towers of a 944 turbo (about 18yrs old then) and jacked it up (4-arm lift to let the suspension go to max free)... The string sagged about 1". He said that it did help keep the alignment 'true' but it really helped more with fatigue of the uni-body... He then pointed to a customer's E36M3/2 that he just finished boxing some of the suspension points, and said that that car with R-compound tires will pull the bolts right out of the shock towers w/o the boxing... So the take home is that the brace helps some cars more than others... Just another 'non-scientific' data point -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi "Daisy" > I've always regarded strut bars as being more about maintaining the > integrity of the unibody under prolonged and/or repetitive arduous > use, rather than as a strict "performance" piece. Of course, I have > as much data to support that opinion as those who claim faster lap > times... > > Martin Bullen > '95 M3 > '97 Z3 2.8 > '01 740i Sport ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:56:26 -0500 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Uucdigest Digest" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <E30> strut brace Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, got the sequence bass-ackwards... The string was tied to the towers when the car was in the air, and the string sagged the one inch when on the ground... it was a street-legal but DE toy, tracked 6-10 days / yr for the last 5 yrs...tracked -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi "Daisy > A few years ago, I asked a Mechanic / racer friend of mine about how much > good strut brace can do... he tied a piece of string (tightly) between the > strut towers of a 944 turbo (about 18yrs old then) and jacked it up (4-arm > lift to let the suspension go to max free)... > > The string sagged about 1". > He said that it did help keep the alignment 'true' but it really helped more > with fatigue of the uni-body... > > He then pointed to a customer's E36M3/2 that he just finished boxing some of > the suspension points, and said that that car with R-compound tires will pull > the bolts right out of the shock towers w/o the boxing... > > So the take home is that the brace helps some cars more than others... > > Just another 'non-scientific' data point > > -Jason > '86 951 "Sparky" > '70 240Z "Dusty" > '97 Contour "Bambi" > '03 325xi "Daisy" > > > > > I've always regarded strut bars as being more about maintaining the > > integrity of the unibody under prolonged and/or repetitive arduous > > use, rather than as a strict "performance" piece. Of course, I have > > as much data to support that opinion as those who claim faster lap > > times... > > > > Martin Bullen > > '95 M3 > > '97 Z3 2.8 > > '01 740i Sport ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:22:47 -0800 From: David Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Uucdigest Digest" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <E30> strut brace Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thursday 22 February 2007 6:24:37 pm Jason Kay wrote: > He then pointed to a customer's E36M3/2 that he just finished boxing some > of the suspension points, and said that that car with R-compound tires will > pull the bolts right out of the shock towers w/o the boxing... Hmmmm.....I would like to see that...sounds like some serious exaggeration on his part. Dave T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:21:50 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Garage Battery Charger Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Clarence, I believe the desulphation function uses a higher voltage. On the Sears plug in charger it warns you not to leave it in this mode for more than 15 minutes (from memory). On the trickle type chargers I think it cycles a specific waveform to keep from overcharging and boiling the electrolyte. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. 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Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:50:04 -0500 From: Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'911/993/996'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW List" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Best way to ship seats? Estimated cost? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, all. I've got to ship a pair of Sparco racing seats from New Hampshire to the Phildelphia area. UPS ground? USPS? Boxed? Unboxed but taped? Or Greyhound? If so, then drop off at a bus station and pick up from the destination station? How does it work? Any idea of the costs (just estimates are fine)?? Thanks! Vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:35:15 -0500 From: "Chris Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'911/993/996'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'BMW List'" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Best way to ship seats? Estimated cost? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've used Greyhound package express, which is the cheapest, but requires both you and the shipper to visit the friendly neighborhood bus station. Boxing and shipping via FedEx Ground. Chris Reynolds ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Cc: Mr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Need a good, HONEST, shop in San Diego Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Manuel, Quigley isn't out of business because of shady work (well, maybe in addition, but the guy retired, he'd been in the business for many many years). Interesting to hear that you had a bad experience with them, as I had contemplated bringing my car to them a couple times. The new place that I think Quigley referred his clients to is San Diego Performance European/Apex Engineering. Take that for what it's worth, but there aren't a ton of places to have work done in SD. I also haven't had any work done there, but I stopped by once for them to take a look at a problem I was having on the car and see if they knew definitively what the problem was. The owner seemed like a good guy. They are located just south of Clairemont Mesa Blvd, east of Convoy. Head up the 805 N, exit Balboa, take the right fork to Balboa east, follow Balboa, hang a left on Convoy, right on Ronson (4th street). They are on the left side, in the far back of a narrow lot. There is another small shop in f! ront of them, I think a differential shop, and the sign for Apex is kinda small, so watch for it. There's also La Jolla Independent (http://www.bimmerdoc.com) and Baron's Foreign Car Service, but those are farther from you. However, they are both BIMRS shops, so they should be worth the drive. HTH, Brian build 8/95 ----- Original Message ---- From: Mr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:10:37 PM Subject: [UUC] Need a good, HONEST, shop in San Diego Greetings all, I am in need of getting one of my rear wheel bearings replaced and was wondering if anyone could recommend a good shop in San Diego. Im in the Mission Valley area. Please dont send any Quigley recommendations as that shop did some real shady work to my car the last time I needed some works and is coincidentally out of business. Thanks! Manuel Paredes 95 325i 250K, Lots o mods BMWCCA ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(12 messages) **********
