Olivier Teytaud: <CAMpyiGN-3nWxivfMv2uJiAyzVj7zLxt8T=eci+_r0uwccrx...@mail.gmail.com>: >If AlphaGo had lost at least one game, I'd understand how people can have >an upper bound on its level, but with 5-0 (except for Blitz) it's hard to
No, the other five are not blitz games. Quoting from the paper (pp. 28): Time controls for formal games were 1 hour main time plus 3 period of 30 seconds byoyomi. Time controls for informal games were 3 periods of 30 seconds byoyomi. Hideki >have an upper bound on his level. After all, AlphaGo might just have played >well enough for crushing Fan Hui, and a weak move while the position is >still in favor of AlphaGo is not really a weak move (at least in a >game-theoretic point of view...). > > > >On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Petr Baudis <pa...@ucw.cz> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 09:19:56AM +0000, Darren Cook wrote: >> > > someone cracked Go right before that started. Then I'd have plenty of >> > > time to pick a new research topic." It looks like AlphaGo has >> > > provided. >> > >> > It seems [1] the smart money might be on Lee Sedol: >> > >> > 1. Ke Jie (world champ) limited strength but still amazing Less than >> > 5% chance against Lee Sedol now. But as it can go stronger, who knows >> > its future >> > 2. Mi Yuting (world champ) appears to be a chong-duan-shao-nian (kids >> > on the path to pros), ~high-level amateur. >> > 3, Li Jie (former national team player) appears to be pro-level. one >> > of the games is almost perfect (for AlphaGo) >> > >> > >> > On the other hand, AlphaGo got its jump in level very quickly (*), so it >> > is hard to know if they just got lucky (i.e. with ideas things working >> > first time) or if there is still some significant tweaking possible in >> > these 5 months of extra development (October 2015 to March 2016). >> >> AlphaGo's achievement is impressive, but I'll bet on Lee Sedol >> any time if he gets some people to explain the weaknesses of computers >> and does some serious research. >> >> AlphaGo didn't seem to solve the fundamental reading problems of >> MCTS, just compensated with great intuition that can also remember >> things like corner life&death shapes. But if Lee Sedol gets the game to >> a confusing fight with a long semeai or multiple unusual life&death >> shapes, I'd say based on what I know on AlphaGo that it'll collapse just >> as current programs would. And, well, Lee Sedol is rather famous for >> his fighting style. :) >> >> Unless of course AlphaGo did achieve yet another fundamental >> breakthrough since October, but I suspect it'll be a long process yet. >> For the same reason, I think strong players that'd play against AlphaGo >> would "learn to beat it" just as you see with weaker players+bots on >> KGS. >> >> I wonder how AlphaGo would react to an unexpected deviation from a >> joseki that involves a corner semeai. >> >> > [1]: Comment by xli199 at >> > >> http://gooften.net/2016/01/28/the-future-is-here-a-professional-level-go-ai/ >> > >> > [2]: When did DeepMind start working on go? I suspect it might only >> > after have been after the video games project started to wound down, >> > which would've Feb 2015? If so, that is only 6-8 months (albeit with a >> > fairly large team). >> >> Remember the two first authors of the paper: >> >> * David Silver - his most cited paper is "Combining online and offline >> knowledge in UCT", the 2007 paper that introduced RAVE >> >> * Aja Huang - the author of Erica, among many other things >> >> So this isn't a blue sky research at all, and I think they had Go in >> crosshairs for most of the company's existence. I don't know the >> details of how DeepMind operates, but I'd imagine the company works >> on multiple things at once. :-) >> >> -- >> Petr Baudis >> If you have good ideas, good data and fast computers, >> you can do almost anything. -- Geoffrey Hinton >> _______________________________________________ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > >-- >========================================================= >Olivier Teytaud, olivier.teyt...@inria.fr, TAO, LRI, UMR 8623(CNRS - Univ. >Paris-Sud), >bat 490 Univ. Paris-Sud F-91405 Orsay Cedex France >http://www.slideshare.net/teytaud >---- inline file >_______________________________________________ >Computer-go mailing list >Computer-go@computer-go.org >http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Hideki Kato <mailto:hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
