Zen (Tencho no Igo 4 in fact) easily found that Black could win the semeai and played T9 instead of the reducing-self-liberty move T7 (after exchanging Q8 and K7).
Hideki Nick Wedd: <502bc935.1030...@maproom.co.uk>: >Yesterday, a KGS game between Blubbel 3d and AyaBot4 2k, SGF file >below, ended with an unusual kind of seki. AyaBot4 marked its >opponent's stones in the seki as dead, and was eventually booted >by an admin for mis-marking stones (as a way of getting the game >to end). As all eleven AyaBots use the same IP address, they all >got booted - and an hour later, all simultaneously tried to log in again. > >I mention this, both to explain to Hiroshi what happened to his >bots, and because it is an interesting seki, of I type I had never >seen before. > >Nick > > >(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] >RU[Chinese]SZ[19]HA[5]KM[0.50]TM[600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] >PW[Blubbel]PB[AyaBot4]WR[3d]BR[2k]DT[2012-08-14]PC[The KGS Go Server at >http://www.gokgs.com/]C[AyaBot4 [2k\]: GTP Engine for AyaBot4 (black): >Aya version 7.42e : If you pass, AyaMC will pass. When AyaMC does not, >please remove all dead stones. >] >;B[dd]BL[599.599] >;B[pd]BL[599.278] >;B[jj]BL[598.935] >;B[dp]BL[598.654] >;B[pp]BL[598.306] >;W[qn]WL[599.421] >;B[np]BL[596.887] >;W[qk]WL[598.258] >;B[ip]BL[595.687] >;W[lp]WL[596.32] >;B[kp]BL[594.405] >;W[lo]WL[594.002] >;B[lq]BL[593.188] >;W[mq]WL[592.372] >;B[mp]BL[592.019] >;W[kq]WL[590.811] >;B[lr]BL[591.069] >;W[jp]WL[585.719] >;B[ko]BL[589.498] >;W[jq]WL[576.457] >;B[jo]BL[588.011] >;W[mr]WL[573.518] >;B[ln]BL[586.867] >;W[mo]WL[572.06] >;B[mn]BL[585.458] >;W[no]WL[570.908] >;B[pn]BL[584.089] >;W[oo]WL[567.413] >;B[nn]BL[582.669] >;W[on]WL[560.432] >;B[om]BL[581.529] >;W[po]WL[558.796] >;B[kr]BL[580.282] >;W[jr]WL[555.794] >;B[pm]BL[578.814] >;W[qp]WL[548.661] >;B[qm]BL[577.793] >;W[qh]WL[544.178] >;B[qf]BL[576.209] >;W[io]WL[542.633] >;B[op]BL[574.787] >;W[qo]WL[540.749] >;B[rn]BL[573.321] >;W[ro]WL[538.87] >;B[ok]BL[572.134] >;W[in]WL[536.543] >;B[jm]BL[570.967] >;W[im]WL[534.421] >;B[il]BL[569.256] >;W[jl]WL[531.868] >;B[kl]BL[568.191] >;W[jn]WL[530.255] >;B[kn]BL[566.682] >;W[km]WL[529.03] >;B[ll]BL[565.35] >;W[oh]WL[521.982] >;B[nh]BL[563.782] >;W[og]WL[517.447] >;B[oi]BL[562.486] >;W[ng]WL[515.359] >;B[mg]BL[560.699] >;W[ni]WL[492.114] >;B[mh]BL[559.487] >;W[oj]WL[491.532] >;B[nj]BL[557.992] >;W[pi]WL[488.699] >;B[mi]BL[556.682] >;W[ik]WL[483.385] >;B[hl]BL[555.199] >;W[jk]WL[482.036] >;B[ij]BL[553.922] >;W[hk]WL[480.04] >;B[gl]BL[552.906] >;W[gk]WL[478.407] >;B[fk]BL[551.907] >;W[fl]WL[477.029] >;B[el]BL[550.55] >;W[fm]WL[475.577] >;B[em]BL[549.052] >;W[ek]WL[471.261] >;B[dk]BL[547.847] >;W[fj]WL[469.645] >;B[dj]BL[546.643] >;W[dq]WL[460.631] >;B[cq]BL[545.725] >;W[eq]WL[459.109] >;B[ep]BL[544.085] >;W[cr]WL[457.3] >;B[fp]BL[542.883] >;W[bq]WL[455.966] >;B[cp]BL[541.802] >;W[bp]WL[454.973] >;B[bo]BL[540.752] >;W[gr]WL[452.575] >;B[fn]BL[539.465] >;W[gn]WL[448.989] >;B[hp]BL[537.808] >;W[cf]WL[440.015] >;B[fc]BL[536.774] >;W[bd]WL[436.824] >;B[cc]BL[535.065] >;W[ci]WL[435.404] >;B[di]BL[534.013] >;W[bj]WL[432.975] >;B[gi]BL[532.818] >;W[fi]WL[416.985] >;B[fh]BL[531.688] >;W[gh]WL[416.032] >;B[hi]BL[530.258] >;W[eh]WL[415.031] >;B[fg]BL[529.417] >;W[ei]WL[414.198] >;B[dh]BL[528.432] >;W[eg]WL[412.854] >;B[gg]BL[527.023] >;W[ef]WL[409.783] >;B[cg]BL[525.867] >;W[bg]WL[408.034] >;B[bf]BL[524.529] >;W[bh]WL[403.186] >;B[ce]BL[522.728] >;W[df]WL[401.938] >;B[be]BL[521.808] >;W[cl]WL[398.665] >;B[dl]BL[520.422] >;W[cm]WL[396.907] >;B[dn]BL[519.207] >;W[fo]WL[395.097] >;B[en]BL[517.69] >;W[go]WL[393.291] >;B[br]BL[516.515] >;W[ar]WL[390.882] >;B[dr]BL[515.561] >;W[bs]WL[389.785] >;B[fq]BL[514.28] >;W[er]WL[388.674] >;B[fr]BL[513.124] >;W[ds]WL[387.87] >;B[cn]BL[511.635] >;W[gf]WL[375.574] >;B[bm]BL[510.575] >;W[bl]WL[373.001] >;B[am]BL[509.227] >;W[ai]WL[370.334] >;B[ap]BL[508.188] >;W[hg]WL[366.581] >;B[hh]BL[507.345] >;W[ff]WL[365.669] >;B[gh]BL[506.196] >;W[hf]WL[364.546] >;B[jh]BL[505.012] >;W[nc]WL[360.721] >;B[nd]BL[503.949] >;W[pc]WL[357.991] >;B[qc]BL[502.79] >;W[od]WL[355.262] >;B[oe]BL[501.996] >;W[oc]WL[354.415] >;B[md]BL[500.741] >;W[qd]WL[352.886] >;B[pe]BL[499.497] >;W[qb]WL[349.04] >;B[rc]BL[498.683] >;W[rb]WL[348.013] >;B[rd]BL[498.045] >;W[mc]WL[346.436] >;B[lc]BL[496.798] >;W[lb]WL[342.547] >;B[kc]BL[495.94] >;W[kb]WL[341.515] >;B[jc]BL[494.859] >;W[jb]WL[340.477] >;B[hc]BL[493.773] >;W[ic]WL[339.257] >;B[id]BL[492.944] >;W[ib]WL[338.293] >;B[jf]BL[491.682] >;W[hb]WL[335.898] >;B[gc]BL[490.451] >;W[gp]WL[332.161] >;B[gq]BL[489.594] >;W[ho]WL[328.497] >;B[hq]BL[488.663] >;W[ed]WL[318.979] >;B[hm]BL[487.378] >;W[ec]WL[311.079] >;B[fd]BL[486.128] >;W[db]WL[306.977] >;B[ee]BL[484.995] >;W[de]WL[304.243] >;B[cd]BL[483.928] >;W[fe]WL[301.373] >;B[cb]BL[482.932] >;W[fb]WL[300.273] >;B[pj]BL[482.07] >;W[oi]WL[289.406] >;B[pk]BL[481.069] >;W[qj]WL[287.968] >;B[rl]BL[480.173] >;W[rg]WL[283.271] >;B[ri]BL[479.029] >;W[rk]WL[275.974] >;B[pg]BL[477.947] >;W[rf]WL[270.285] >;B[re]BL[477.137] >;W[ne]WL[266.608] >;B[si]BL[476.159] >;W[of]WL[262.968] >;B[qi]BL[474.813] >;W[pf]WL[249.576] >;B[qe]BL[473.974] >;W[qg]WL[247.622] >;B[sf]BL[472.933] >;W[se]WL[239.677] >;B[sd]BL[471.819] >;W[sh]WL[236.271] >;B[rh]BL[470.766] >;W[sj]WL[230.812] >;B[sg]BL[469.929] >;W[ph]WL[229.406] >;B[ql]BL[469.325] >;W[mf]WL[218.345] >;B[ld]BL[468.416] >;W[mj]WL[216.358] >;B[nk]BL[467.321] >;W[kf]WL[215.548] >;B[kg]BL[466.438] >;W[lg]WL[203.023] >;B[lh]BL[465.742] >;W[lf]WL[199.749] >;B[je]BL[464.829] >;W[ki]WL[195.301] >;B[kh]BL[463.915] >;W[bb]WL[187.03] >;B[ba]BL[462.807] >;W[hr]WL[180.697] >;B[ir]BL[461.859] >;W[ks]WL[175.853] >;B[is]BL[460.556] >;W[kk]WL[170.667] >;B[lj]BL[459.258] >;W[kj]WL[167.172] >;B[ig]BL[458.371] >;W[sn]WL[161.129] >;B[sl]BL[457.498] >;W[da]WL[141.864] >;B[ca]BL[456.265] >;W[hd]WL[138.08] >;B[he]BL[455.64] >;W[ge]WL[134.377] >;B[gd]BL[455.014] >;W[gb]WL[133.418] >;B[hd]BL[454.396] >;W[if]WL[132.188] >;B[iq]BL[453.561] >;W[ls]WL[128.83] >;B[lk]BL[452.66] >;W[ji]WL[122.634] >;B[ii]BL[452.007] >;W[jd]WL[113.621] >;B[ie]BL[450.954] >;W[li]WL[107.351] >;B[ih]BL[450.032] >;W[ke]WL[100.091] >;B[kd]BL[449.426] >;W[lm]WL[94.731] >;B[nm]BL[448.706] >;W[ml]WL[92.034] >;B[mk]BL[448.065] >;W[mm]WL[90.273] >;B[fs]BL[447.205] >;W[es]WL[87.396] >;B[rm]BL[446.128] >;W[nl]WL[82.344] >;B[sb]BL[445.355] >;W[ol]WL[80.245] >;B[ag]BL[444.26] >;W[ra]WL[75.323] >;B[ch]BL[443.3] >;W[cj]WL[72.378] >;B[al]BL[442.403] >;W[ak]WL[70.849] >;B[ck]BL[441.264] >;W[bk]WL[69.86] >;B[dc]BL[440.587] >;W[ah]WL[67.088] >;B[ae]BL[439.879] >;W[af]WL[60.155] >;B[bc]BL[439.062] >;W[eo]WL[52.911] >;B[do]BL[438.337] >;W[ej]WL[45.856] >;B[gj]BL[437.658] >;W[pb]WL[38.279] >;B[dm]BL[436.922] >;W[ag]WL[32.972] >;B[dg]BL[436.278] >;W[aq]WL[30.263] >;B[ao]BL[435.619] >;W[js]WL[29.115] >;B[ab]BL[434.626] >;W[sa]WL[27.09] >;B[sc]BL[433.797] >;W[so]WL[23.959] >;B[sm]BL[432.924] >;W[jm]WL[17.358] >;B[pl]BL[432.229] >;W[hj]WL[3.861] >;B[lq]BL[431.429] >;W[lr]WL[1.668] >;B[qq]BL[430.674] >;W[rq]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[sp]BL[429.788] >;W[qr]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[nr]BL[428.871] >;W[pq]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[nq]BL[428.1] >(;W[me]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[ac]BL[427.303] >;W[nf]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[gs]BL[426.632] >;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[se]BL[425.863] >;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[jd]BL[425.075] >;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[mj]BL[424.25] >;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[jg]BL[423.532] >;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[sh]BL[422.716] >;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[hs]BL[421.857] >;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[ad]BL[421.223] >;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[aa]BL[420.329] >;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[bn]BL[419.603] >;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[ps]BL[418.821] >;W[qs]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[hr]BL[418.008] >;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[mb]BL[417.115] >;W[nb]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[oa]BL[416.353] >;W[ma]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[eb]BL[415.73] >;W[ea]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[ga]BL[414.872] >;W[fa]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[sr]BL[414.112] >;W[sq]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[rs]BL[413.454] >;W[rr]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[pr]BL[412.687] >;W[or]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[ns]BL[412.117] >;W[os]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[ms]BL[411.561] >;W[oq]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[np]BL[410.873] >;W[ss]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[nr]BL[410.247] >;W[nq]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[op]BL[409.601] >;W[ns]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[ka]BL[408.981] >;W[ja]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[ha]BL[408.452] >;W[ia]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[na]BL[407.777] >;W[pa]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[gm]BL[407.053] >;W[hn]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[hl]BL[406.531] >;W[gl]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[hm]BL[405.876] >;W[gm]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[mp]BL[405.157] >;W[pp]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[np]BL[404.5] >;W[op]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[ga]BL[403.96] >;W[ha]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[]BL[403.958] >(;W[ob]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[oa]BL[403.469] >;W[na]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[]BL[403.468] >(;W[rp]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[pr]BL[402.879] >;W[ps]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[]BL[402.877] >;W[mp]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[]BL[402.876] >;W[la]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[]BL[402.876] >;W[il]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[hl]BL[400.542] >;W[hm]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[]BL[400.541] >(;W[]WL[30]OW[5]TW[ga][ka][oa][qa][eb][mb][ee][bi][aj][fk][hl][np][sp][lq][qq][br][dr][kr][nr][pr][sr][as][cs][ms][rs]TB[bb][bd][qd][ke][le][me][ne][kf][lf][mf][nf][of][pf][rf][lg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][oh][ph][qh][ni][oi][pi][oj][qj][rj][sj][qk][rk][sk][an][co][gr]) >(;W[]WL[30]OW[5]TW[ga][ka][oa][qa][eb][mb][ee][bi][aj][fk][hl][np][sp][lq][qq][br][dr][kr][nr][pr][sr][as][cs][ms][rs]TB[bb][bd][qd][ke][le][me][ne][kf][lf][mf][nf][of][pf][rf][lg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][oh][ph][qh][ni][oi][pi][oj][qj][rj][sj][qk][rk][sk][an][co][gr]) >(;W[]WL[30]OW[5]TW[ga][ka][oa][qa][eb][mb][ee][bi][aj][fk][hl][np][sp][lq][qq][br][dr][kr][nr][pr][sr][as][cs][ms][rs]TB[bb][bd][qd][ke][le][me][ne][kf][lf][mf][nf][of][pf][rf][lg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][oh][ph][qh][ni][oi][pi][oj][qj][rj][sj][qk][rk][sk][an][co][gr]) >(;W[]WL[30]OW[5]TW[ga][ka][oa][qa][eb][mb][ee][bi][aj][fk][hl][np][sp][lq][qq][br][dr][kr][nr][pr][sr][as][cs][ms][rs]TB[bb][bd][qd][ke][le][me][ne][kf][lf][mf][nf][of][pf][rf][lg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][oh][ph][qh][ni][oi][pi][oj][qj][rj][sj][qk][rk][sk][an][co][gr]) >(;W[]WL[30]OW[5]TW[ga][ka][oa][qa][eb][mb][sb][fc][gc][hc][jc][kc][lc][qc][rc][sc][fd][gd][hd][id][jd][kd][ld][md][nd][pd][qd][rd][sd][ee][he][ie][je][ke][le][me][ne][oe][pe][qe][re][se][jf][kf][lf][mf][nf][of][pf][qf][rf][sf][fg][gg][ig][jg][kg][lg][mg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][sg][fh][gh][hh][ih][jh][kh][lh][mh][nh][oh][ph][qh][rh][sh][bi][gi][hi][ii][mi][ni][oi][pi][qi][ri][si][aj][gj][ij][jj][lj][mj][nj][oj][pj][qj][rj][sj][fk][lk][mk][nk][ok][pk][qk][rk][sk][hl][kl][ll][pl][ql][rl][sl][nm][om][pm][qm][rm][sm][kn][ln][mn][nn][pn][rn][jo][ko][kp][np][sp][lq][qq][br][dr][kr][nr][pr][sr][as][cs][ms][rs]TB[bb][bd][an][co][gr]C[AyaBot4 > >[2k\]: You and the engine seem to disagree about which stones are dead. >To solve this problem, you can press "undo", play until all dead stones >are removed from the board, then score again. >])) >(;W[]WL[30]OW[5]TW[ga][ka][la][oa][qa][eb][mb][ee][bi][aj][fk][hl][il][hm][br][dr][as][cs]TB[bb][bd][qd][ke][le][me][ne][kf][lf][mf][nf][of][pf][rf][lg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][oh][ph][qh][ni][oi][pi][oj][qj][rj][sj][qk][rk][sk][an][on][qn][sn][co][lo][mo][no][oo][po][qo][ro][so][jp][lp][mp][op][pp][qp][rp][jq][kq][lq][mq][nq][oq][pq][qq][rq][sq][gr][jr][kr][lr][mr][nr][or][pr][qr][rr][sr][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[AyaBot4 > >[2k\]: You and the engine seem to disagree about which stones are dead. >To solve this problem, you can press "undo", play until all dead stones >are removed from the board, then score again. >Blubbel [3d\]: SEKI >])) >(;W[]WL[30]OW[5]TW[ga][ka][la][na][oa][qa][eb][mb][ob][ee][bi][aj][fk][hl][il][hm][mp][np][rp][sp][lq][qq][br][dr][kr][nr][pr][sr][as][cs][ms][ps][rs]TB[bb][bd][qd][ke][le][me][ne][kf][lf][mf][nf][of][pf][rf][lg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][oh][ph][qh][ni][oi][pi][oj][qj][rj][sj][qk][rk][sk][an][co][gr]C[Blubbel > >[3d\]: why doesn't it see the seki? >Blubbel [3d\]: fuck... >AyaBot4 [2k\]: You and the engine seem to disagree about which stones >are dead. To solve this problem, you can press "undo", play until all >dead stones are removed from the board, then score again. >])) >(;W[]WL[30]OW[5] >;B[]BL[428.099]TW[ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][eb][mb][nb][ob][ee][bi][aj][fk][gl][hl][il][gm][hm][hn][mp][np][op][pp][rp][sp][lq][nq][oq][qq][sq][br][dr][kr][nr][or][pr][rr][sr][as][cs][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]TB[aa][bb][ac][ad][bd][jd][qd][ke][le][me][ne][se][kf][lf][mf][nf][of][pf][rf][jg][lg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][oh][ph][qh][sh][ni][oi][pi][mj][oj][qj][rj][sj][qk][rk][sk][an][bn][co][gr][hr][gs][hs])) -- Hideki Kato <mailto:hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
