-Caveat Lector-

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Kalivas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> What BS. Severe abuse. a gentle reminder on the rear end is not severe
> abuse.

but surely violence in the name of love is an oxymoron?


 Like I said, I'm trying to get my children raised without dope,
> alcohol, pregnant, and so that they can think for themselves.

it is possible without violence or invisible friends, creators, etc. to
achieve that.


 My wife and I
> aren't doing a bad job.


i am not having a go at your efforts- i am sure you do not beat your
children in a bad way (oops- these oxymorons are catching...)


>
> The fruits of the Dr. Spock, "but disipline your kids", has been pretty
bad.

all rigidly enforced dogmas are negative regardless of their particular
belief


> And, I'll go on record, my family and I do need Jesus. He taught the
perfect
> way to live.

um, hanging around with 12 other single men and a prostitute is the perfect
way to live? jeez- you are way more liberal than i was thinking you were!


i have smacked my son before- but rarely and with a lot of regret. i always
felt that it was the easy way out for both of us- the difficult thing to do
is to use other punishments, but usually they take up time and effort.
indeed one of the main arguments i have heard for corporal punishment is
that it is quick and it is over and the parent/ child can get on and forget
about it. too easy IMO to take that road.

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