Hi Andrey, Side note, I think we could be interested by Apache Sunny (it's a Java stack/runtime/deployer for the cloud, not really a library, more a runtime focusing on Kubernetes).
As it seems your use case is Karaf focus, another option is to contribute to Karaf (and probably Cellar). I think you are in the situation I mentioned in my previous email: you are using jclouds as "key" dependency and so without jclouds, we have to find other approaches/options. I'm puzzled as I understand jclouds guys' standpoint, and also the jclouds users one ;) Regards JB On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 7:05 PM Andrey Rusev <a.ru...@mishmash.io> wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't know if I will be really helping here, but I thought ... as the > conversation is shifting towards 'will there be volunteers to join' ... I > might share my perspective here, as someone who has been observing this mail > list (and also this thread) for years... Quietly observing, that is :) > > We have a few use cases around here for a java-to-any cloud lib (I can share > more details on this if anyone is interested?), but I've honestly during that > time I've been warming up and cooling down on the idea of using jclouds. Not > a bad idea, if you ask me, but then the 'native' libs usually take over, so > we don't use jclouds currently (it's actually not that difficult for us to > plug some custom, per-cloud logic into karaf - which is what we use a lot). > > On the other hand - I'm also super keen on working on better integration > between Apache projects, say, for example, one thing we might be interested > in is adding Apache Ozone support to jclouds (I don't see it in the list on > the official web?), plus a few more 'compute' providers that we use around > here. And I can also bring a couple of guys to this too, if needed. Far from > the idea that we can start doing PR reviews straight away, but we can > volunteer some development effort if it fits our use cases - say, > provisioning networks (and not just buckets and computes) might also be a > fit... > > But at the same time - I do still kinda struggle (that is - for the use cases > we have around here) - with the question of 'why not use the official libs > instead?'. And in that sense, in my opinion, it really comes down to - who > are the users of jclouds, and are there any potential new uses for it... And > if there are - it will be worth supporting jclouds. > > Don't know if I managed to explain my view clearly, happy to answer questions > you might have... And ... sort of, really hoping I can be of any help here. :) > > Cheers, > A > > > ---- On Fri, 09 Dec 2022 18:59:39 +0200 Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote --- > > If you don't want to continue on jclouds (I fully understand this), > > fair enough. But if people still want to maintain it, I don't see any > > issue there. > > > > Is a fork better ? I don't think so. Because, it might happen if we > > retire the project. > > > > As I proposed earlier, if the current PMC members don't want to > > continue on jclouds, but we have potential volunteers to take over, I > > think it's fair to try. Apache is community driven, if we have new > > people in the jclouds community, willing to help, we could be > > "welcoming". > > After some months, we will definitely see if the project is still alive or > not. > > > > If you absolutely want to retire the project, I'm with you, and then > > pulsar or brooklyn (or another project) will do a fork probably. > > > > Regards > > JB > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 3:38 PM Ignasi Barrera n...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > I agree with Gaul's comments. > > > > > > If people wants to help, worth to see if it actually happens ;) > > > > > > > > > > It's been 2 months since the proposal of retiring the project and to > date, > > > nothing real happened beyond "I'm in" comments. > > > If at the time of discussing the project retirement, this is all the > energy > > > that is around to maintain it, I don't think it is a setup for success > and > > > agree with Gaul that we will better serve users by retiring the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Geoff, really appreciate your honesty in accounting for your > bandwidth! > >
