I advise that we add a comment in each closing issue explaining that it was closed specifically because it's more than 2 years old and to re-open it only if it is still valid. Otherwise, it will look very rude to close a ticket without an explanation.
BTW, what I just recommended was done by JBoss Hibernate and Spring Framework when they cleared out their old tickets. It was great to know their reasoning. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: > Ok, I'm going to pull the ripcord tonight (8 hours from now). > > On Jan 21, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: > > > So after looking at the issues more closely even at the 5 year-old mark > there are still too many. At the 2 year-old mark it's a bit more > reasonable. If I close all issues older than 2 years-old which are not > assigned thats 415 so we would be left with 220 open issues which after a > week or two I can probably get through, faster with some help. But that's > probably reasonable as more recent issues are pertinent to 3.x as I myself > am probably not going to dig back into 2.x issues and fix them. > > > > So I propose sending a note to the dev and user list stating that we're > trying to get the JIRA issue under control. We're closing all unassigned > issues older than 2 years but people are free to reopen issues for bugs if > they follow a process of providing a working stand-alone example of the > problem. > > > > This will at least start the cleanup process. > > > > How's that sound? > > > > On Jan 20, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: > > > >> Ok, I'll write something up and send it to the user and dev list. > >> > >> On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> +1 here. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Anders Hammar <and...@hammar.net> > wrote: > >>>> +1 on clean up if we communicate this (and explain why). > >>>> 0 on move > >>>> > >>>> /Anders > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Dominik Bartholdi <d...@fortysix.ch> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> +1 cleanup is a really good idea! > >>>>> > >>>>> On 20.01.2014, at 18:50, Arnaud Héritier <aherit...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> +1 with a jira cleanup (but documented and announced to users to > let them > >>>>>> understand what we do and why) > >>>>>> +1 to move to ASF > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Works for me to just start over on the ASF JIRA. There are a couple > >>>>> issues > >>>>>>> I'd move but we can migrate a issues easily. What can't continue > is the > >>>>>>> complete, incomprehensible mess that is there now. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Stephen Connolly < > >>>>>>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If we are going wholesale dumping issues (and I am not against > that), I > >>>>>>>> have a more radical suggestion... let's just move core to the ASF > >>>>> JIRA... > >>>>>>>> with next to no issues needing migration it would be easy ;-) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 20 January 2014 17:23, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Really, it's more about dropping a nuclear bomb on JIRA. While > trying > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> sift through it this weekend it's clear to me it's less than > ideal in > >>>>>>> there. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> There are issues that are 12 years old and while there might be > some > >>>>>>>>> useful information in there that we hand select, I think > anything that > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> older than 5 years we should just close as incomplete because > with the > >>>>>>>>> great deal of change that's happened with 3.x most of it isn't > >>>>> relevant > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> if it is, and someone cares that much then it can be reopened > with a > >>>>>>>>> stand-alone working example of the problem. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Now, as to the requirements for a stand-alone working example I > think > >>>>> we > >>>>>>>>> should enforce this because personally I'm not going to check out > >>>>>>> someone's > >>>>>>>>> project, figure out how to interpret it in relation to the actual > >>>>>>> problem > >>>>>>>>> in Maven and then create a project I can turn into an IT. I'm > just not > >>>>>>>>> going to do it generally. There might be exceptions but I don't > want > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> read a textual examples or try to figure out snippets of a > production > >>>>>>>>> project that can't be shared. In m2e we require a working example > >>>>>>> project > >>>>>>>>> to even look at a problem and if the issue sits there for a year > with > >>>>> a > >>>>>>>>> working sample project we close it. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Having an issue tracking system with 700 open issues is useless, > so I > >>>>>>>>> would like to do a mass purge. It shouldn't really get beyond 50 > open > >>>>>>>>> issues or it's just impossible to manage effectively. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Not sure what anyone else thinks but our JIRA situation is just > not > >>>>>>>>> effective. I'm thinking anything over 5 years old that isn't > assigned > >>>>>>> to a > >>>>>>>>> core developer we just close as incomplete and then see what > we're > >>>>> left > >>>>>>>>> with. If anyone complains then we point them at doco (I'll write > it) > >>>>>>> about > >>>>>>>>> creating a stand-alone project because otherwise it become > >>>>> impossible. I > >>>>>>>>> spent 8 hours over the weekend looking at issues trying to > interpret > >>>>>>> what > >>>>>>>>> someone was trying to say and I don't want to guess. If the user > cares > >>>>>>>>> enough they can make an example project. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Jason > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > >>>>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven > >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more > it will > >>>>>>>>> elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it > will > >>>>> come > >>>>>>>>> and sit softly on your shoulder ... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- Thoreau > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jason > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > >>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven > >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> believe nothing, no matter where you read it, > >>>>>>> or who has said it, > >>>>>>> not even if i have said it, > >>>>>>> unless it agrees with your own reason > >>>>>>> and your own common sense. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- Buddha > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> ----- > >>>>>> Arnaud Héritier > >>>>>> http://aheritier.net > >>>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com > >>>>>> Twitter/Skype : aheritier > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > >>> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Jason > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >> Jason van Zyl > >> Founder, Apache Maven > >> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >> --------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're > talking about. > >> > >> -- John von Neumann > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jason > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Jason van Zyl > > Founder, Apache Maven > > http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Script timed out:/Users/jvanzyl/signature/signature.sh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Jason > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Jason van Zyl > Founder, Apache Maven > http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > --------------------------------------------------------- > > We know what we are, but know not what we may be. > > -- Shakespeare > > > > > > > > > -- Cheers, Paul
