Here's my take, others comment as you see fit.
This is not a good time to re-invent the wheel. LW is a month off, we're getting bits slowly into place with hopes to have a good showing... overhaul of the website doesn't make sense right now. Granted, if your gonna overhaul the site, do it before the show, which is why the layout was "upgraded" some time ago. However with 30 days and counting a mass overhaul is a bad idea. Furthermore, the proposed colors are... imho, a poor choice, we'll say. The ideas you have are good ones, I think you've got some promising ideas, but why can't we apply some new ideas to what we have rather than completely re-implementing offsite?
We have forums (SF), we have lists (SF), not to mention that e1x has been there for ages, and cuddletech as an E forum as well (admitadly, it's fairly Solaris/ports specific). In our experience, I think it's safe to say, forums haven't been a big win, and sure you can blame that on them being offsite, but I don't see there being enough potential there. Further, the Blogs idea is yet another good one, however we have a big problem... most of us maintain our own blogs/news offsite and don't update it very often. Okey, so planet is implemented and for acouple weeks we're all into it and update more often, but that'll pass in time.
The "News" page (and the whole site) are up for anyone with CVS access to modify, folks can put anything at all that they want there, it's always been that way.
Again, you've got some great ideas. I'd like many of them to work, but what we need now is docs and code. The time that goes into implementing blogs could be used creating new sample Edje's, or adding recipes to the cookbook, or adding examples to pages already on the site, or improving apps that are there. Frankly, a new Entice theme to show just how much flexablity that Edje/Embryo provides is a far better use of time than anything mentioned here. A rollout app (epackage) is a good idea, but that involves a lot of code, and a whole lot more testing, which is going to take at least 3months working at a fast clip, imho. We need deliverables by Aug 2nd. Evoak, work with evoak, doc evoak, write tutorials about evoak, write sample apps or port existing apps to evoak via a "-client" arg. Improve Erss and create new themes for it. Kick out some really great EWL apps. Etc, etc, etc.
Say what you will about the e.org's design... we would all probly like something much much better, I'll be the first to say so...
but I don't think this is the time.
Please feel free to comment anyone who wants to. This is a community project, and obviously everyone can do anything they wish, this is just my opinion.
benr.
Moritz Angermann wrote:
[Was: E-Org facelift - Now: eOrg RFC]
$ Moritz Angermann, v1, July 2nd 2004 $
what is this? ============= This is about a possible Redising and reorganisation of the eOrg Webrepresentation. The idea is to generate a better publicity. And more people to use e/eOrg/eApps. Yes this is about PR. I'm not a PR expert but I'd like to try.
The Goal ======== The goal shall be to make e more friendly for user, developer and themer. And give a better overview of the whole e-project.
Let's go ======== As of now(irc of today) we would be having at least 3 modules.
o Some kind of server as integral part for datasupply. o e.org website using the data supplied from the server. o Some kind of Store/iTunes/RedCarpet like thingy.
e.org ===== A general User, Developer, Themer seperation. a scatched out layout idea can be found at http://neofeed.blogspot.com The current e.org page has mixed all together.
e.org Project Overview News FAQ Documentation Releases [offsite sf.DL] Source Community [ML, IRC, e1x, cuddletech] Join Us! DR16 Enlightenment Imlib Screenshots Get DR16 Themes [fm] EFL Overview Imlib2 Edb EET Evas Ecore Etox Edje EWL DR17 Enlightenment Entice Evidence [Offsite] Entrance Euporia [Offsite - ome where have I landed? SUN?] eRSS Development The Team CVS RSS CIA BugTrack [Offsite] Logos Links
Most of this is Developer Centric. Though a metalib covering documentation is missing. The fontsize is small and not too appealing/hard to read in my opinion.
We all know e17 won't build and as such is dead. Currenly when using e everyone is using e16 with the tools based on EFL.
Thus a quick way how a layout could look:
e.org
Users
enlightenment (e16)
download
themes
screenshots \w comments
enlightenment apps
{a generic e app
Download
Applicaion Screenshots
Themes (Edje)
Comments
Bug Report
}
Entice
Evidence
Entrance
Euphora
(Emotion)
(Engage)
(Examine)
(ETerm)
[...]
User Forum/ML/IRC
Developer
Overview of all the libs
Imlib2 ( do we still want Imlib? )
Edb
EET
Evas
Ecore
Etox
Edje
EWL
(where is the E-OSD)
Documentation
Something like http://go-mono:8080 and http://www.php.net/printf
could be nice. \w comments
Developer Forum/ML/IRC
(Public e-applicaion)
Team(?)
Themer
Introduction to Edje
Documentation Edje
I don't think that http://go-mono:8080 or http://www.php.net/printf
Tutorials Edje
Themer Forum/ML/IRC
(Publish Themes)
Planet.e.org
Links
o.org would have to be easily extenable and maintainable while being
at the same time simple to query via a generic extenable interface
(RPC anyone?).
eFrontEnd ========== Raster had the idea of having something RedCarpet alike or iTunes. Where one would simply click the App one wants and it would get installed. Possibly popping up with a Dialog to select the wished themes. And something like this in the background: `epackage -repo http://repository.enlightenment.org/repo -install examine`
eBackEnd a.k.a. Server ======================= Would have to supply the requested data without too much hazzle. I have no Idea how the phpBB would be weeded in this... Rewrite? Neighter do I have an idea what to do with the Planet software. This could probably be Engeneered in PHP.
The missing parts ================= We do not yet have a way to do the server/client communication. XML would come to ones mind though raster has no clear view on why to use xml for this instead of some binary/text format.
Suggestions, Ideas, Comments are wellcome!
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