This just my opinion, this, not being by necessity a permanent conclusion on my
part, however, it seems to me that the conscious that we experience is
basically, why the old philosophers called, material. Modern brain scientists
would conclude in the type of brain cells, maybe Spindle Cells, their
integration,and so forth that causes consciousness. There may be many other
ways of developing or propagating consciousness. Simply, that it seems to me,
that as it is currently known, its a biological thing. Yes, I am thinking it is
not exclusively, bio, or what call, "carbon + water." I believe, unless there
is a physical reason not to, that first "Weak AI," will be built, then, "Strong
AI," which is like Marvin Minsky's 'guy in a box,' that we see interacting with
people in all the sci fi stuff we see and read. Like Tony Stark's Jarvis, like
HAL 9000 in 2001, aka as Minsky's 'guy in a box.'
I am prejudiced in favor of much of the science fiction by astronomer, Alastair
Reynolds, who does most of his stories limited by the absolute framework of
relativity, and the sciences we know today. So, without a reason to
disbelieve, I am guessing that we will make AI of several flavors soon, and our
great, great, great, great, grand kiddies will opt for a kind of mergence with
these AI/machinery, for obvious reasons. One reason, would be that, as far as
we know, it beats the heck out of dying early, especially if you like the idea
of enlivening an apparently, dead milky way that is about us. I could be
terribly, hugely wrong, spiritually, or psychologically, or cosmologically,
but, its how I am rolling tonight.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2017 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam
On 2/25/2017 11:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 at 18:17, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Telmo Menezes
<te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
>
I always have a hard time seeing consciousness as
causal.
Why, where is the mystery? If external information didn't
CAUSE your consciousness to change you might as well be
blind and deaf, and if consciousness didn't CAUSE
external things to change you might as well be
paralyzed from the neck down .
I meant and in the second sense. Take an artificial neural network
driving a car. Like me, you suspect it might be conscious -- but we
know the full mechanism. We know it's a bunch of thresholds
connected in a complex way,
Of course if it's a big, deep neural network, even on simulated on von
Neumann architecture, that has been trained on a large range of instances
(as it must be) we probably don't know how it's connected and weighted and
it would FAPP impossible to explain why it does what it does in terms of its
experience; and FAPP it would be impossible to predict what it will do
except by running it. So it will have "free" will. :-)
Brent
The sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret,
they mainly make models. By a model is meant a mathematical construct
which, with the addition of certain verbal interpretations, describes
observed phenomena. The justification of such a mathematical construct is
solely and precisely that it is expected to work.
--—John von Neumann
running on von neumann machine and so on. How is consciousness
causing behavior ?
John K Clark
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