I know Angela wrote it.  That the "quote" section came out to you is 
irrelevant but sorry anyway.  I could have left the whole thing in which 
would have clarified it but the "snip" police would have been all over 
me. :)

But I am not causally dismissing the probe at all.  She is stating that 
"to him, and to my mother, meditation meant fascism" and is therefore 
inferring it does not mean that to her.  An anti-fascist, 
anti-authoritarian like myself who has even been criticized on this 
forum for comparing Bush to Hitler obviously does not in any way dismiss 
Nazism.

And if you read again you will notice I say it is "cults" (and Nazism 
was designed to be a cult) that are the problem not meditation.  Now 
maybe your only experience with meditation is TM and therefore might be 
a rather narrow cultish perspective though since even as a teacher I 
found it easy to walk away from the movement whereas real cults tend to 
come after you.

OTOH, political groups and their controllers can use things like 
meditation and vegetarianism to create a weak and submissive populace 
which for them would be a "dream" to rule and turn into slaves.

It's always interesting to hear from people who grew up under 
totalitarians regimes especially when they note that this country seems 
to be headed right down that same road.  I recently heard that from 
someone who grew up in Argentina as well as another friend who had to 
live under fascism in Portugal.  The American nightmare is not over by a 
long shot.


Bronte Baxter wrote:
> Bharitu, I didn't write that piece about growing up in Nazi Germany. Angela 
> did. You attributed it to me. 
>   Regarding your comment, "But we know that meditation does not equal 
> fascism and is in fact totally the opposite as it's goal is liberation," I 
> would say you're dismissing Angela's probe too casually. Of course the stated 
> goal of meditation, according to to those who promote it, is liberation. But 
> is that what it delivers? The stated goal of Naziism was to make Germany 
> strong and good. Is that what it delivered? 
>   Angela, I wish you'd elaborate on the connections you see between New Age 
> and Naziism, so we could discuss them. - Bronte
>    
>      
>
> Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>           Bronte Baxter wrote:
>   
>> Another reason I left, though, was that they really were completely 
>> unwilling to deal with the questions I, personally, have about the whole 
>> enlightenment trip. I was born in Nazi Germany, saw the tail end of the war 
>> myself, and then grew up in an environment in which all kinds of Nazis 
>> (including bliss-Nazis) tried to come to terms with the experience of the 
>> Third Reich. My physics teacher in High School had been a famous scientist 
>> and a member of the SS and, because early one morning he caught me 
>> meditating, we became friends as well. To him, and to my mother, meditation 
>> meant fascism. A vegetarian, Hitler was guru to the SS, in every sense of 
>> the word, and he did group meditations with the top brass. 
>>
>>     
> I would say the Nazi's hijacked the "New Age" (which is really the "old 
> age") for their purposes. And yes when we have the NeoCons saying they 
> are "creating reality" then we really do have some nut cases using some 
> "new age" type philosophy. But we know that meditation does not equal 
> fascism and is in fact totally the opposite as it's goal is liberation. 
> Meditation organizations can equal fascism though, especially if they 
> are more of a cult and members very judgmental.
>
>
>
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