Benfield Health at Petsmart has a big promotion for kitten health which includes declawing. Many people think it's "just a manicure", where nails are pulled out, which to me sounds like torture used by third world countries and barbarians. And many vets suggest it as an "option" when they learn that the cats will be inside only. I know several people who allowed, and still do, declawed cats outside. No good comes of it more often than not, and the ones that are OK are a fluke. -----Original Message----- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
My cats have destroyed my new furniture, but I love my cats much much more than I like my furniture, and declawing has never been an option at my house. I voice my opinion as much as possible on that subject. But I have found that some people think that just goes along with having a cat. What totally pisses me off is the ones that declaw and then decide to put them outside!! Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:06 PM, katskat1 <katsk...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just add this to the consideration. > > To summarize, 'declawing' is a misnomer. When a cat is 'declawed' > they are having their toes amputated at the first knuckle. Period. > > Now, think about you having all ten toes cut off at the first knuckle. > > Kat > > On 8/26/11, Gloria Lane <gbl...@aristotle.net> wrote: >> Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust >> to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, >> torturous. Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w >> claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then >> grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who >> wants a cat ruined by declaw. >> >> Gloria >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going >>> without you. I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn >>> themselves TO DEATH. I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine. >>> I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer. I have seen cats who have >>> been declawed do absolutely fine. It isn't all as easy as it looks >>> sometimes. >>> >>> I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a >>> mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not >>> been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed. I would hope any vet >>> doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds. >>> >>> At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I went into a >>> nursing home. >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote: >>> I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most >>> devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more >>> heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust >>> me. I wonder how a cat would feel if >>> >>> he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their >>> paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that >>> Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that >>> they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and >>> cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I >>> have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, >>> where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s >>> oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out’s to >>> adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the >>> hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best >>> I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing. >>> >>> Natalie >>> >>> >>> >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika >>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM >>> >>> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors >>> >>> >>> Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email >>> program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. >>> >>> I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to >>> death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw >>> them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote: >>> >>> OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going >>> crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! >>> >>> >>> >>> There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I >>> guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere >>> instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the >>> tenants’ own furniture! >>> >>> >>> >>> I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an >>> older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) >>> cats). >>> >>> >>> >>> There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the >>> psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a >>> few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but >>> all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them >>> out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications >>> and dealt with the problems as well as they could. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika >>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM >>> >>> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors >>> >>> >>> >>> Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate >>> enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is >>> likely to require declawing. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote: >>> >>> That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat >>> with >>> claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or >>> scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. 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