On 12/7/23 7:51 AM, glen wrote:
We need less *trust* and more *trustworthiness*. What I meant by
"reality distortion field" seems different from what you meant. I
meant the effect of being ensconced in privilege, having billions of
dollars, swimming in an ocean of sycophants, etc. Musk's reality is
severely distorted.
touche' and bravo. yes, this is yet-more-relevant and yes to
/trust V trustworthiness/. I generally trust everyone to pursue
their own self-interest but what I don't trust as clearly is my
understanding of that self-interest and their level of enlightenment
as they pursue it which convolved with their alignment to my idea of
a "greater good" would seem to be their "trustworthiness".
Of course, I think a part of the TESCREAL club's rhetoric is similar
to revelatory religions like Catholicism or Scientology ...
TESCREAL, the acronym, is new to me but I appreciate the
cluster/aggregation it offers. I'm a sucker for all things
hopeful/futurist/optimistic by some measure, yet also rather
allergic (the allergy/addiction duality). From the following paper:
https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2054/aop/article-10.1556-2054.2023.00292/article-10.1556-2054.2023.00292.xml
/The backbone of this worldview is the TESCREAL bundle of
ideologies—an acronym coined by the critical AI scholars Émile
Torres and Timnit Gebru to describe an interrelated cluster of
belief systems: transhumanism, Extropianism, singularitarianism,
cosmism, Rationalism, Effective Altruism, and longtermism./
or even occult societies and heavy psychedelics users, where initiates
have a distorted view but the masters who've "studied" for a long time
have a clearer understanding of reality. A wealthy man once told me,
"Money is like air. It's everywhere. The difference between you and I
is that I know how to build engines that harvest and concentrate it."
He clearly felt like he had a better understanding of reality than me.
The rhetoric inverts.
I feel the same way about inter-species mind reading. When I see
humans engineer their local ecology (e.g. damming a river or
introducing a biocontrol species), I don't see humans understanding
biology *better* than, say, the rats whose day to day lives might be
intensely impacted. I see the rats as having the clear view and the
humans as having the "distorted" view. Musk, Thiel, and all the rest
seem to think they're Hari Seldons.
In fact, it is beyond inter-species mind-reading, it is
individual-of-an-arrogant-species reading the mind of Gaia (or some
significant subset). I think I take your point however. I've been
re-reading Henry Petroski's "To Engineer is Human" and it is flooded
with examples of the hubris implied here.
But we rats understand that *luck* is the primordial force and those
with it (the lucky) are so badly skewed they can't see their hand in
front of their face. Perhaps the continually unlucky are also badly
skewed? Only those of us who can narratively map our wandering from
luck to unluck and back are best situated to understand reality?
I've put that under my hat and am letting it try to soak in. It may
take a while. I sense something profound in it but haven't been
able to absorb/parse/internalize it yet.
The same difference exists between, say, a front-end developer and a
"close to the metal" embedded systems developer. The former is closer
to ideal computation, computronium, as it were. The latter is closer
to the actual world, where the rubber meets the road. Which of the two
has the more distorted field? Or perhaps only full stack (writ large)
developers experience the least distortion?
Arcing back to conceptions of openness. Here are some indices that
seem more trustworthy than whatever field being whipped up by the
byzantine AI Alliance:
https://opening-up-chatgpt.github.io/
I had no idea how many list-worthy text-generators were out there (I
only recognized a few) nor the number of categories to be open (or
not) within! I'm a sucker for a good taxonomy or maybe more to the
point, partitioning or embedding space as a way to get some
bearings/orientation on the larger landscape.
https://hai.stanford.edu/news/introducing-foundation-model-transparency-index
I was not aware (either) of the term Foundation Model... useful and
interesting (from the website):
/In recent years, a new successful paradigm for building
AI systems has emerged: Train one model on a huge amount
of data and adapt it to many applications. We call such
a model a foundation model./
On 12/6/23 10:47, Steve Smith wrote:
As the habitual tangenteer that I am, I'm left reacting to the phrase
"Musk's reality distortion field". Tangent aside, I do very much
appreciate Glen's take on this and found the multiple references
(much more on-topic than my tangential riff here) interesting and
useful. I too hope Stallman will weigh in and wonder what the next
evolution of EFF might look like or be replaced by in this new
evolutionary landscape at the intersection of tech and culture?
I'm hung up, the last few years, on Yuval Harari's Intersubjective
Reality
<https://medium.com/amalgamate/inter-subjective-realities-64b4f6716f72>
as derived from the social science Intersubjectivity
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersubjectivity>.
When I first heard Harari's usage/coinage I reacted to it somewhat
the way I did to Kellyanne Conway's Alternative Facts
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts>, but I now deeply
appreciate what they are all alluding to, some more disingenously
than others.
I don't disagree that Musk's every action and statement has the
effect of "distorting reality" but it is our /Intersubjective
Reality/ that is being distorted, not the reality that most of us
were trained/steeped in via the philosophical tradition of /Logical
Positivism <https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logical-empiricism/>/.
Others here were (Social Sciences, Humanism) probably trained up and
steeped more in Phenomenology
<https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/phenomenology/> and more
comfortable with Intersubjective Reality.
I find the likes of Musk or Trump or Altman or ( * ), as the
/Personality/ in "Cult of Personality" in much the way star this
recently discovered in-sync planetary system
<https://mashable.com/article/nasa-exoplanets-orbit-star-sync> exists
(see below). With the planets' orbits finding pairwise (and more
generally n-wise) resonances, all (presumably) coupled exclusively by
gravity (and synced through internal dissipative tidal forces?).
Is chatGPT or OpenAI or AIAlliance ( or, or, or, . . . ) yet another
species of celestial body in an orbital dance?
Musk, of course, operates in a higher-dimensional field of forces
with Tweets (X's?), public appearances, financial transactions, and
launch/contract/release announcements as the "intermediate vector
particles" and the sturm and drang of individual drama trauma among
the companies, organizations and individuals who are effected by it
all as the internal dissipative forces.
Mashable article on in-sync planetary system
<https://mashable.com/article/nasa-exoplanets-orbit-star-sync>
https://science.nasa.gov/missions/tess/discovery-alert-watch-the-synchronized-dance-of-a-6-planet-system/
On 12/6/23 10:57 AM, Pietro Terna wrote:
Genius!
Il 06/12/23 15:11, glen ha scritto:
For those of us who refuse to contribute to Musk's reality
distortion field: https://thealliance.ai/
Yeah, it's interesting. 2 questions came to my mind: 1) Where is
Mozilla? Are they a part of it? And 2) "open" is not a simple
concept. Is it possible that so many organizations have a clear
understanding of what it means? If so, what do they mean? We've
seen, over and over again, a kind of exploitation of Utopian
values, especially in infrastructure-level software. (I'd love to
get Stallman's opinion.)
One way to clarify someone's position on their private conception
of "open" is to ask how they feel about limits to the exportation
of encryption software.
<https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/08/us-export-controls-and-published-encryption-source-code-explained>
Another tack is to ask how they feel about fake news, trust in
institutions, free speech, platforming, etc.
IDK. The AI Alliance smells, to me, kinda like more TESCREAL [1],
ripe for exploitation and *-washing [2] by the privileged. If a
tech is open and stays open, it'll most likely do so because
individuals commit to it, not because some meta-corp of mega-corps
get together as "allies". But I'm a bit cynical.
[1] Transhumanism, Extropianism, Singulatarianism, Cosmism,
Rationalism, Effective Altruism, Longtermism
[2] Green-washing (fossil fuel lobbyists at cop28), ethics-washing
("ai safety"), dei-washing (sensitivity training), etc.
On 12/5/23 23:47, Pietro Terna wrote:
Dear all,
what about the post below?
Star Wars?
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