080628 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:53:53 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> 'emerge world' is the source of many problems regularly reported here. > No, it's changing package versions that breaks a working system, > whether this is a result of running 'emerge world' > or updating the guilty package individually is irrelevant.
No, the problem with 'emerge world' (without '-p') is that the user hands over control of his machine to an unreliable automaton, which can do all sorts of damage while he's drinking coffee etc; if you emerge pkgs individually, you decide exactly what's going on & watch. > Bear in mind that every distro, and just about every OS, > has the equivalent of 'emerge -u world'. Gentoo is not just another distro: if you're willing to rely on others, why not use Ubuntu, Mandriva etc or buy a Mac ? the attraction of Gentoo is that it gives you as much control as you want over what is installed in your box & when & how: you make your own mistakes. 'emerge world' goes back to the early days of the distro & was AFAIK copied from FreeBSD; the idea has never been revisited. 080628 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Do you mean 'emerge world <enter>' > as opposed to the much more sensible 'emerge -p world' ... Yes, of course: I said I myself use 'emerge -Dup world' to get the order. > ... examine output for problems, consider each update, > examine USE flag changes for impact, resolve problems > and then and only then run 'emerge world' ? 'eix-sync' & its colored output does enough of that for me. > your manually maintained log is entirely redundant if you emerge Genlop How so ? -- the site given by 'eix genlop' simply goes on re Perl. > and by telling portage to log to disk there is no real need > to sit glued to the screen watching console output anymore. I know: I have 280 MB in /var/log/emerge-logs (wry smile). Anyway, I've just done my weekly update. There were 4 pkgs to process -- eselect-ctags fetchmail autoconf shared-mime-info -- & also eix , which has a new version in testing (safe enough for eix). Of course, I make use of Konsole tabs to facilitate eix & emerge, update 'pkg.ref' with Gvim running on another KDE desktop & use Klipper to copy info between Konsole & Gvim. I've been doing it this way for nearly 8 years & have never run into a serious problem: HTH one or two others (smile). -- ========================,,============================================ SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT `-O----------O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
