Greetings to all.
This kind of mailings are new and and expression of changed political-positions
(like war andsoon). N o t an expression of godwin's law.
In the case the "national Hero" has ben called "Hero", it offers nationalism.
~95% in german means Hitler wasnt an national Hero. Today we know: the Hitler
was produced by warcraft-capitalism, thats why the motorway.
Some day the motorway has been build anyway, maybe more efficient, surely
without kills. The fascism murderd beastalike also handicapped-germans,
dissidents-germans, clercs-germans and so on. One of their methods are to lie
and prevert the facts (this case couse of these mailings).
Where are we today? Is the warcraft-capitalism done? Our Ms. Merkel had ben
called as an fascism too a few month before :-D.
Fascism alike illustrations, songs, parolee (also as Background)... are
forbidden in german since more than 60 jears by a few law's (Potsdammer
Abkommen) an assumed by our constitutional-law. Who are we that we challenge
now?
art.gnome cannot envelope this discussions, please swap-out now. Im developer
and active-anti-fascism who knows many sides. I will build an free
discussion-forum ( i will need 3 Days), please stand still until i post done.
Regards
Peter Rader
----- Original Message -----
From: Thiago Arroadie
To: Ricardo Espinel
Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
I think you are just misleading the whole thing...
(if) You think Hitler was a national hero, and you feel like making a
wallpaper of him for you, you should do it.
(if) You think that Israel is a fair place to live and feel like making a
wallpaper of it's flag, you should do it.
(if) You think Mussolini was a good leader and feel like making a wallpaper
of him, you should do it.
(if) You think Pinochet and George Bush are also, great leaders AND feel like
making wallpapers of them, you should do it.
(if) You study a little more and open you mind, you will see that Hitler
really was a national hero, really went hard trying to make of German a better
country. Was he wrong? Maybe in the method.
(if) You use the same open mind to take a look into what means Nazi, you will
see further more then "killing jews", a patriotic movement. Were they wrong?
Maybe in the method.
People admire and DO make wallpapers, flags, flyers and bunch of stuff about
lots of people that you see as genocides and they see as heroes.
I, as declared, don't give a shit about Guevara. But, for good luck, happened
that I live in Argentina, homeland of Guevara, and had the chance to learn a
lot about him. See someone with a t-shirt of Guevara make me think about people
around the world using t-shirts of Bush and Obama. About people that have flags
of the Nazi party, the People's Republic of China, who kill Tibetans without
anyone saying shit and still buying chinese crap, about all these
inconsistences that surround us.
Part of this is result of something that you may not like when other people
uses, but that you make plenty of use and its called: Free of speech.
I guess I made my point and I guess you are just trolling, so I'll keep just
'til here.
best regards to the group.
2010/6/4 Ricardo Espinel <ricardoespi...@msn.com>
So this is it.
I think Adolf Hitler was a brave german national hero, he just did a great
welfare work and fought onb behalf of german people. Can I Please upload to
Gnome website some wallpaper in apology of the Nazi party?
So, besides I think the Israel government is just fighting for the security
of their people, and Mussolini was also good, and all the dictators from afrika
are also good, and Pinochett, even George Bush.
I think you Che defenders are the ones who don't think about hurting other
people. It would be better if this wallpaper was just deleted, and there was
neither apologies to the left nor right political conditions.
Remember, it doesn't matter who is the final user of gnome, it ought be
open for every single kind of people.
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From: sdeb...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:55:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
To: yellowdropc...@gmail.com
CC: antonius.ie...@gmail.com; gnome-themes-list@gnome.org;
gnome-l...@gnome.org
Hi:
After reading this email, it is really difficoult to me not to respond it.
First, Thanks Thiago for your words I totally agree with you.
Second, Let's try to keep this mailing list as a what it is now, a nice
space of sharing great things. So please, before writing think twice if people
would feel offended by your words, because I am sure many people feel this way
now. So please be respectful, a lot of people might think different than you.
Last, get informed before talking. There are a lot of books, documentaries,
movies. Maybe what people says it is not true, just check it.
(Movies: Che 1 and Che 2, Documentaries: about Cuban revolution, books like
reminiscence of the Cuban revolution war) I have learned a lot of what was
happening before and after the revolution. After learning that I have become a
great admirer of el che Guevara, I am sure you will understand more things if
too.
Thanks,
Silvina
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Thiago Arroadie <yellowdropc...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear Antonius,
I was really reluctant to answer you, but in the end, here we go.
First of all, I think your comment totally misplaced...
The create an analogy between Adolf Hitler and Ernesto Guevara is really
going too far.
I actually don't give a shit to the image (even that is pretty well made)
but if someone wanted to share the ideology of the Cuban (and latin-american)
revolution, a thing that I don't expect you to understand, I don't see a good
reason for not doing it.
Otherwise then the way you put it, and knowing that you certainly comes
from a country that already wen't to a war, the history is and has always been
told by those who won the wars. I don't expect you to call your president or
war heroes "serial killers", "monsters" or "murderers". In fact, we give them
glory and eternity, over the blood they trow and lives they took.
A revolution is not made by raising flowers, unfortunately. And the image
of Guevara is and will always be, the icon of the day the weak fought the
strong and won. Won the right to chose their own destiny. What you call
"socialism totalitarianism" (which is itself a really weird expression) were
once called "free world" even that today this old dream is decaying.
I really think you, one day, will be able to think from out of the box
and see that the world where you live is bigger and has more people and
cultures that you can imagine, so, respect them.
Sorry for the weird English, I come from a weird Latin world.
Best regards.
Thiago
2010/5/26 Antonius Iesus <antonius.ie...@gmail.com>
Hello all.
First of all let me congratulate to all of you who make possible this
great project, Gnome.
I'm just a user and I would never have thought of finding myself
writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found myself morally
forced to do so.
A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop and
clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site. Then,
in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!) of
Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known in
the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest icons
of socialist totalitarianism.
Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad,
as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the place for that
kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the place for showing
pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any
kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the
place for finding any type of apology of criminal ideologies.
I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have not found any
e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a
community and as member of this community (as user and occasional bug
reporter) I think I have the right to share this thoughts with all of
you.
Please, you know the whole world is driving madder and madder in these
chaotic times of crisis, but I believe it is not so difficult to just
have a little of dignity, common sense and decency. In my opinion that
image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and the like should not be part of this
great project, Gnome. I'm not asking for any kind of censorship or
political correctness, but just a sense of morality and respect in the
things we do.
The links:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg
http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6
It has not been my intention to offend anyone.
Thanks for your time and kind regards.
God bless you.
Antonius Iesus.
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