Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #28 Tue, 8 Aug 00 21:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish..... (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish..... (Oldayz)
Re: Steve/Mike Gets A Sex Change -- And His 36th Fake Name ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish.....
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: software for small business. ("Nick")
Re: On Software and Copyright: Sega (Lee Hollaar)
Re: Paging BIG DON ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ???? (Mike Marion)
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company (Pascal Haakmat)
Re: Why Linux will crash and burn..... (Mike Marion)
Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish..... (Mike Marion)
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth
stagnating (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish.....
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:42:13 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:44:42 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Read it and weep Linux Nerds....
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsme/news/promopricing.asp
>
>
>Just to rub salt in the wounds, as if you don't have any wounds,
>Staples in Bennington VT had Mandrake 7.1 for $59.95 on an end cap,
>hidden from view (all the while 7.0 was in plain sight guess they
>wanted to get rid of the 20 boxes or so of 7.0 before they even tried
>to sell 7.1). Both shelves had quite a bit of dust on them, and when a
>sales lady asked me if needed help, I asked her if they sold a lot of
>Linux products and she said nope.
>I asked her if she knew what Linux was and she also said "nope" so
>maybe there is a pattern developing.
Linux is a relatively new commodity; Windows has been around since
the mid-80's (late 80's?) and Microsoft since the mid-70's.
By contrast, Linux has only been around since 1991, although it builds on
Unix (though, strictly speaking, it is not Unix) which has been available
since 1969-70, and on high-end servers, too.
And the Mighty Microsoft Marketing Machine has ensured that we all know
about the Wonders Of Windows. They're darned good at that. :-)
>
>Anyway, I picked up Mandrake 7.1 full on my corporate credit card and
>left.
>The review is in another post.
>The short story is, Linux is true to form in it's collection of
>useless garbage and has absolutely no curb appeal to a normal,
>non-nerd user.
As if Pinball on Windows NT is a highly valuable commodity?
At least Windows Media Player has an excuse. :-)
>
>Sure you can get Linux for free, but let's face it, you folks can't
>even give Linux away and gain market share.
>
>Ah yes, "The Times They are A Changin' ".
>
>Microsoft is going to put the last nails in the Linux coffin real soon
>now.
Wake me up when they start hammering. AFAIK, the Winvocates have
been saying this for 2 years now...if not longer.
>Good news too because Linux is so cryptic, and 70's like it is
>akin to going back in time to when computing was actually a pain in
>the ass.
I prefer
find . -name '*.bak' -mtime +7 -print0 | xargs -0 rm
to
"Open a window. Sort by type. Set to Details. Look at date.
Select files with date greater than a week old by using Ctrl/Click.
Move to Trashcan. Open another window, repeat as often as
necessary...oops, I dropped them on the desktop instead...."
(But see below.)
>
>Do yourself a favor and try Windows 2k or SE or ME because Linux is
>for the nerds.
I happen to be a nerd (actually, a technical professional with
20+ years of programming experience in various languages, from COBOL
to Pascal to C/C++ to Java -- where does the time go? :-) ), and find
Linux far more flexible, once learned. Of course, cutting my teeth
on a university Unix system (actually, several) in the early 80's may
have something to do with that (although I've also used VMS, MAESTRO,
and Aegis -- if the youths of today know what those are, I for one
would be rather surprised :-) ); today's graduates probably are using
systems provided by none other than Microsoft (who probably noticed
Apple's success in the marketplace because of their machine donations
to schools). To be fair, though, that's what they need to learn;
most businesses use NT on the desktop, although it's not clear
it's by choice.
I'm also fairly experienced in Bourne shell and Perl programming,
and even a little Tcl/Tk (which is a stupid, but very extensible,
language coupled with a powerful widget system).
Most likely, the day you were born I was working with TECO on
an Applicon system -- 1979. (For the uninitiated, TECO is a text
editor whose syntax makes VI look almost as easy to use as Notepad,
and Applicon is now dead; anyone else remember APPLE file format,
SLSI.DAT, and .DWG? :-) )
So much for my professional resume. :-)
Hobbyist-wise, I have used DOS (on an original IBM-PC, natch),
AmigaDOS, Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, and of course Linux.
Windows 95 is the prettiest, but Linux is the one I use most often.
In fact, this machine has an uptime of
3:53pm up 20 days, 1:17, 7 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
which tells you how often I switch operating systems on this dual-boot
machine. (My firewall machine has an almost 86-day uptime, and
it's a dinky little P90 with 16 megs, almost worthless. I could
use a 386 with 4 megs, but I don't think it would have the throughput
to handle a modem connection, nowadays... :-) )
Granted, part of the reason why my machines have such long uptimes
is that I leave them up; chalk that up to some bad experiences
with large disk drives in the past. So I leave them on and let 'em
run; Linux is perfect for that.
Windows would have crashed by now. :-)
This is not to say everyone should value reliability -- it's not an
essential on a laptop or desktop. Something goes wrong on your
desk? Push the button. Something goes wrong on your laptop?
Push the button. Something go wrong with that 60-page report you
were trying to do with Word when the machine crashed and that's
due in 30 minutes? Push the button, hope Autosave actually worked
this time, and run screaming to the nearest exit. :-)
Something goes wrong on a server in Nome, Alaska? Um....let's just
say that pushing the button, for most of us, would be a bit difficult.
(Unless one of the employees actually lives in Nome, Alaska, of course.)
To be fair, NT does have remote reboot capability using something
like pcAnywhere. But it's not clear if that's a better solution.
Unix (and Linux) has been designed for remote administration
from the word go, from the time when the only method by which
to talk to a computer was a serial hookup, which back then
was state of the art. (Yeah, yeah, I know; everyone should
"refresh" their hardware every two years. That way, the dust
bunnies don't pose a problem...)
But I suppose nowadays we have bandwidth to burn, so NT is
far superior to any mere Unix. And crashing? Not a problem.
We'll just send out an MCSE to Nome, Alaska to reboot it...
doesn't matter how much it costs.
Makes perfect business sense.
>
>
>Claire
>
>
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "Sarcasm? What sarcasm?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oldayz)
Subject: Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish.....
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:47:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:44:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Read it and weep Linux Nerds....
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsme/news/promopricing.asp
>
>
>Just to rub salt in the wounds, as if you don't have any wounds,
>Staples in Bennington VT had Mandrake 7.1 for $59.95 on an end cap,
>hidden from view (all the while 7.0 was in plain sight guess they
>wanted to get rid of the 20 boxes or so of 7.0 before they even tried
>to sell 7.1). Both shelves had quite a bit of dust on them, and when a
>sales lady asked me if needed help, I asked her if they sold a lot of
>Linux products and she said nope.
>I asked her if she knew what Linux was and she also said "nope" so
>maybe there is a pattern developing.
She is, uh.. a sales person in Staples.. hello??
>
>Anyway, I picked up Mandrake 7.1 full on my corporate credit card and
>left.
>The review is in another post.
>The short story is, Linux is true to form in it's collection of
>useless garbage and has absolutely no curb appeal to a normal,
>non-nerd user.
>
>Sure you can get Linux for free, but let's face it, you folks can't
>even give Linux away and gain market share.
15mil were given away or sold, is that not enough? Wait a year and
check back.
>
>Ah yes, "The Times They are A Changin' ".
>
>Microsoft is going to put the last nails in the Linux coffin real soon
>now. Good news too because Linux is so cryptic, and 70's like it is
>akin to going back in time to when computing was actually a pain in
>the ass.
>
>Do yourself a favor and try Windows 2k or SE or ME because Linux is
>for the nerds.
Computers are for nerds, non-nerds are extremely happy with WebTV.
>
>
>
>Claire
>
>
--
Andrei
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Steve/Mike Gets A Sex Change -- And His 36th Fake Name
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:50:30 GMT
On 8 Aug 2000 23:22:10 GMT, "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>: See if you fit Claire's "Typical Linux User Profile".
>
>: 1. Middle aged and single.
>
>Does 33 count as "middle age" these days?
In I/T world, you are way over the hill :)
So am I BTW at 40...
>
>: 2. Overweight.
>
>Slightly, yes, but I'm not someone you'd wanna f*ck with. Went
>recently from a very pot-bellied 185 to a much leaner, stronger and
>fitter 175 in just a short time, courtesy of the friendly neighborhood
>Corporate Fitness Center. :)
Good for you!
I'll bet you feel a lot better as well and your heart will thank you
:)
>Still got maybe 10-15 pounds to go, but I'll get there.
>
>
>: 3. No girlfriend.
>
>I do, actually, but for how long, who knows. No girl should have to
>put up with me. Just ask my ex-wife!
>
>She (my ex) uses Linux by the way, and likes it. She doesn't like
>getting her hands dirty with it, but I set it up for her, and on the
>rare occasions when something breaks, usually I can fix it from here.
And I would have guessed most Linux users would have installed Windows
95 on their ex-wives PC's just to get even...
>
>: 4. Above average in intelligence but have trouble dealing with people.
>
>OK, you got me there, but let's face it, that describes *most*
>computer geeks, almost by definition, not just those of us lucky
>enough to have discovered Linux. :)
Ok, I agree with that.
A close friend of mine has every Popular Mechanics and Popular Science
magazine since the 1960's or so.
>
>: 5. The company you work for makes lots of money off of your work,
>: because you are good at whatever it is you do, but they make certain
>: to keep you locked away so the clients don't see you.
>
>Not just me . . . they do that with my whole stinkin' company!!!!!!
>
Become self employed. You will never go back once you do.
>: 6. The kid that the rest of the class picked on.
>
>Back then I was UNDERweight . . . something people who know me now
>have a certain amount of understandable difficulty believing.
>Living in a rough neighborhood though I eventually learned to fight
>back. And when necessary I still can. Don't forget that. :)
I wouldn't be much of a challenge at 5'4" 107 lbs..
I can run very fast though..
I'm also quite accomplished with a crossbow.
>
>: 7. Because you are somewhat an introvert, you turn to your machines
>: (computers) for comfort.
>
>I mostly use computers to communicate with other people. Hacking for
>its own sake (as opposed to hacking to solve problems) got boring for
>me a long time ago.
I never had the ability to hack. Best I ever did was crack some copy
protection schemes back in the 1980's so I could make a backup copy of
my own purchased program.
F-19 by Microprose comes to mind. I believe it was half tracked.
>
>: 8. You most likely had a very high GPA and SAT scores.
>
>High SAT, yep. Not high GPA, except for very last year in school. I
>was bored and at the time lacked self-discipline.
>
I had an almost perfect SAT score, but my GPA was 3.6. College bored
the hell out of me. Did get a BSEE out of it though.
>: 9. You don't own a television, or if you do, you don't watch it much
>: (this is good).
>
>This is kind of funny . . . no, I don't own a TV . . . I can get all
>the propaganda I need right her on the net! :)
And the Soap Opera's too :)
>
>: 10. You love Star Trek, StarWars, 2001 etc.
>
>I'm not a fanatic, but did enjoy Star Trek (original and NG) and at
>least two of the four extant Star Wars movies.
Me too.
>So, OK, yes, I'm a geek. I admit that, and it doesn't bother me. But
>not all of us Linux fans are geeks, and many of us who are are no
>longer ashamed of that (indeed some never were to begin with).
I suppose by my own definition I am too.
Nothing wrong with that though.
>
>Joe
Claire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish.....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:52:34 GMT
Psychiatry doesn't work on me.
Neither does hypnosis.
Claire
On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:23:40 GMT, "Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Do yourself a favor and try Windows 2k or SE or ME because Linux is
>> for the nerds.
>
>Windows is for weenies so what's your point, caller?!?
>
>You sound like an attention seeker. Go see a psychiatrist.
>
>Nick
>
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From: "Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: software for small business.
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:18:11 GMT
Start by looking at StarOffice 5.2 and see if that fulfulls some of your
needs.
www.sun.com
Nick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8mq2t3$kr7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> What is available other than Microsoft to handle email/database/client
> contacts/organiser for small business. Found lotus very slow ?
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Hollaar)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: On Software and Copyright: Sega
Date: 9 Aug 2000 00:19:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Please forgive the continued tirade on meta-topics, but I would like to
>charge Lee Hollaar, particularly, with coughing up either more
>information on *all* sides of the issue, or less contention that he
>provides some authoritative view of the matter. Your insistance that
>there is no question or debateble issues involved might be well
>justified in your view, but are no more interesting than your silence
>would be, considering the fact that such issues are being debated and
>apparently guiding commercial licensing considerations.
You know, before I post something I do a fair amount of research on
the subject. And regarding whether a program that uses a library is
a derivative work of that library, I've found no credible authority
that even suggests that it is. That includes the statutes, the
commentators like Nimmer and Patry, and the court decisions on the
subject.
Instead, what I find are statements like this --
The examples of derivative works provided by the Act all physically
incorporate the underlying work or works. The Act's legislative history
similarly indicates that "the infringing work must incorporate a portion
of the copyrighted work in some form."
_Galoob v. Nintendo_, 22 USPQ2d 1857 (Ninth Circuit, 1992)
I don't expect to find much, because few people in actual litigation would
assert that a program is a derivative work of a library, for fear of sanctions
for making a frivolous claim. They, unlike you, actually read all the words
in the statute, like "preexisting", and don't get hung up on "based upon"
while ignoring the examples given.
I'll be glad to post a more complete discussion of the issues than I have
been if you want to pay my normal consulting rate. Otherwise, you'll just
have to settle for what I'm posting, and I'm only doing that because I
hate to see nonsense be unrebutted and I've been looking at the issued
for the latest revision of my class notes.
But I'm not going to play the game where you come up with some grand
theory of how copyright should be, not bothering to look at the statutes
or the cases or anything else, then I have to tell you where you are wrong,
then you slightly revise your cock-eyed theory. I really don't care what
you think, but I will continue correcting you so the others reading this
don't learn nonsense.
>How about for starters letting us no if there are any software copyright
>issues related to this matter of derivative works other than game
>console manufacturers trying, and failing, to prevent others from
>writing games for their platforms. I'd also be curious to hear any
>analysis you might want to provide on why, if the FSF could make enough
>of a case for fgmp to be necessary, Sega has never bothered trying to
>sue anyone for infringement for distributing games which are only
>available for their proprietary console developed by people who have not
>gained any licensing permissions from them.
I think the FSP position that something is a derivative work of their
library if it uses that library is complete nonsense, propagated by them
when they discovered that there was a loophole in their prized license
when libraries no longer had to be statically-linked to a program for
that program to be distributed as an executable. fgmp was a just a way
to make them stop posturing, in part by showing how silly their (and your)
argument is and in part by giving them a way to back down. If a program
was based on their library and fgmp was written at a later time, it would
still be based on their library.
The FSF never took the matter to court. Sega apparently had enough sense
not to, either, probably understanding that that wasn't a copyright
infringement, and wanting to avoid sanctions or at least a good laugh
from the judge.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,soc.culture.african.american,sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Paging BIG DON
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:21:05 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> >> But why boycott *all* American women?
> >Because they ALL are being raised within a psychological toxic
> >waste dump of a culture which is filled with radical militan
> >feminist dehumanizing attacks on men ("all men are pigs"), blanket
> >accusations of felonious behavior ("all men are rapists"), gross
> >mischaracterizations of male-female ralations ("All sex is rape")
> >and other sortts of "no matter what you do, girl, all of your
> >problems can rightly be blamed on some man" messages, which
> >promotes irresponsibility and blame-shifting.
>
> Evidence for such sweeping claims? {}
are you completely obvlivious to what is occuring in the
world around you?
>
> >> That's because of you right-wingers and your inistence on
> >> pinching pennies no matter what the cost of doing so.
> >f you pay an able-bodied person to sit around and do nothing,
> >you *cannot* fund it at anywhere close to what they would be
> >making if they were working. Other wise, you merely encourage
> >more people to change their job to "professional welfare recipient"
>
> I was describing the welfare bureaucracy, which has a whole lot
> of work imposed on it in the name of preventing cheating and stuff like that.
>
> >> >> >> >That's because the Communists are engaged in a specific campaign
> >> >> >> >to NEUTER the United States through internal collapse. ...
> >> >> >> From a grove of birch trees it came...
> >> I've yet to see any ***DIRECT*** evidence of such a conspiracy.
> >The proof is the events unfolding before your very eyes, moron.
>
> Not proof at all, because otherwise the Commies would have gotten
> exposed by now.
>
> >> Let's face it, one could easily "prove" that Red Hat is the
> >> Hutchinson Whampoa of software, a Communist front that is trying to
> >> sabotage software-for-pay by giving away competing software.
> >Making silly arguments is not victory.
>
> It's no more absurd than *your* theories, buster.
> --
> Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
> My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ????
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:23:55 GMT
Aaron Ginn wrote:
> Oops, my bad. I meant 2 not 3.
I figured as much... maybe it's time to get you an 80, eh? :)
> Just to set the record straight, here's the info on this machine:
>
> MODEL: SUNW,Ultra-60
> CPU: SUNW,UltraSPARC-II
> CPU: SUNW,UltraSPARC-II
> FRAME BUFFER(S): unknown
> SunOS RELEASE: 5.7
> TYPE: unknown (/=unknown, swap=, /usr=unknown, /home=unknown)
> MEMORY: 2048MB
> SWAP: 6583.5MB total, 89.5MB used, 6494.0MB available
Bastard! I'm still using a U2. Then again, I have more disk (17GB) then
you so nyah!
BTW, you doing some seriously memory intensive stuff or what? 6.5Gig of
swap on top of 2Gig of RAM... ouch.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
Why is it always Segmentation's fault?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company
Date: 9 Aug 2000 00:27:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[lots of stuff snipped]
>Claire
Wow, Claire, can I get into a fight with you too? I humbly submit that you
pick the topic.
--
Rate your CSMA savvy by identifying the writing styles of
ancient and recent, transient and perdurable CSMA inhabitants:
(35 posters, 259 quotes)
<http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux will crash and burn.....
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:27:46 GMT
Oldayz wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:43:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >1.The internet has changed from a tool used by nerds to a tool used by
> >the average Joe and Jane.
> What, nerds went back to using ham radio?
Nah, we're just doing the necessary upkeep on the system so that Joe and
Jane have a system to use. Plus we're making those tools they need to
access/use the net...
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
Yo' momma's so fat she makes emacs look like pico!
-- Another stolen from /.
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish.....
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:32:08 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> have something to do with that (although I've also used VMS, MAESTRO,
> and Aegis -- if the youths of today know what those are, I for one
> would be rather surprised :-) ); today's graduates probably are using
Hey.. I had to learn assembly on a VAX running VMS for one of my college
courses about, oh sheesh it's been about 6 years now (where does the
time go?).
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
I have a problem with my 95 machine.
It says "Insert disk 3" but only two will fit. What do I do now?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:44:31 GMT
Wow!
I just took a look at your link http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest
and I thought Mac users were a peaceful lot.
It's like the "Wild Wild West" in there!
Not for the thin skinned.
So I get to pick a topic to argue about.....Hmmmmmm
Can't argue about Mac's because I think they are great.
Can't argue about Windows because, well because it works for the
majority of folks.
I know!
Let's argue about Linux....
Only kidding :)
Claire
On 9 Aug 2000 00:27:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>[lots of stuff snipped]
>
>>Claire
>
>Wow, Claire, can I get into a fight with you too? I humbly submit that you
>pick the topic.
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:36:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when R.E.Ballard ( Rex
Ballard )
> would say:
> > "Boris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Boris
> >> "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >http://www.open4success.com/Olnews
> >
> >You give no signature, no web site, no verifiable information,
> >and then assume there's nothing there. At least I provide the
> >following:
> >(originally, my signature).
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
Notice that the Linuvocates (T.Max Devlin, Tracy Reed, Loren Petrich,
Chris Browne, and others) generally tend to include generous links
to very informative and useful websites which provide valuable and
interesting information.
Meanwhile, we have the WinTrolls, who seem to offer pseudonyms,
hide behind 5 layers of anonymous e-mail, and provide links
to the Microsoft websites as their primary source of information.
How much does Microsoft pay these guys? Dresting Black has posted
over 1559 articles to COLA, and an additional 892 articles to COMNA.
He's busier than I am. I've slowed to 963 in COLA and 100 in COMNA.
(accidental following of a crossposted redirected thread).
I'm focusing on Quality not Quantity :-)
IBM doesn't pay me to write this stuff.
This stuff is my postings on my time.
>
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:43:53 GMT
In article <IhMj5.3737$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8mntb4$52e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Brewster Kahle (who has also disappeared into obscurity) and Henry
> > Duhring (also vanished) had formed WAIS inc, which wrote the first
> > WAIS engine. Later they licensed versions to Verity and a few
others
> > before being swallowed into the AOL "family". At that time, AOL was
> > hoping to kill off the Internet, but they were also on my list, and
> > were the first on-line service to aggressively
> > shift from a dedicated
> > dial-up strategy to an Open Internet Strategy.
> > They still wanted 85% of all revenues generated
> > as late as mid 1985 (the rate I was quoted
BIG TYPO HERE ^^^^
> > while at McGraw-Hill). I countered with a
> > strategy of going directly to the Internet,
> > hosting our own sites (McGraw-Hill already had
> > WAIS seachable gopher sites).
>
> As Usual Rex (AUR), you sound convincing,
> but upon validation of your facts,
> find them to be radically wrong.
The typo was absolutely wrong!!! YUP! YUP! YUP!
I did a big BooBoo. :-)
THANK YOU so MUCH for the correction. You are absolutely right.
I apologize for all the confusion.
[Interesting history of AOL and Gopher deleted]
"And when we were wrong, promptly admitted it"
Big Book.
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Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
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