Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #30 Sun, 19 Nov 00 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Charlie Ebert)
Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers! (Charlie Ebert)
MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: The Sixth Sense (mark)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns)
Re: Linux trips over itself once again (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers! (Mike Byrns)
Re: OS stability (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (sfcybear)
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux (Topaz Crow)
Re: wahoo! I'm running now (Topaz Crow)
Re: OS stability (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Christopher Smith")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Christopher Smith")
Re: MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux Can't find PC133 memory??? (Topaz Crow)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:54:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (e) Microsoft has less than no credibility in the server world,
>>>> while UNIX and Linux have proven themselves admirably.
>>>
>>>I wouldn't say that; IIS is in fact used in a number of places.
>>>However, it's far from clear that IIS is as powerful as
>>>Apache, although it may depend on the application.
>>
>>
A few words about IIS.
{http://../../../../command.com}
Hope this helps!
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:55:39 GMT
In article <8usc4h$72t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, steve erntner wrote:
>how hard is it to get drivers for aztech sound cards???
>all i want are win2k drivers for em...but do they exist? nooooooooooooooooo
>im about to break down and cry
>
>
Your IN LUCK! There is a W2K JEDI MASTER BY THE NAME OF {TODD} ON
THIS NEWSGROUP! HE CLAIMS ALL W2K SYSTEMS SUPPORT EVERYTHING!
Hope this helps!
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:03:22 GMT
The END commeth NEARETH WINTROLLS!
Microsoft has announced subscription based service
for MS Office 10.
http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/2000/Nov00/SubscriptionPR.asp
BTW, I cut this from my Netscape navigator and pasted it in SLRN
in a terminal box.
Love
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:51:22 +0000
In article <8v9ft5$n26$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christopher Smith wrote:
>
>"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:7bmR5.21465$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:8v4351$9rn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> The point
>> of a link is that all programs can use them.
>
>The point of a shortcut is that anything making use of the shell's features
>can use them, and the extra features they offer.
That's where I think microsoft missed a major opportunity to adopt some
really useful functionality into Dos7/Win95/98. I was hoping that the
shortcut would act like a symlink, but it seems to be a way of cloning
icons rather than anything really useful. It's a great shame, but I really
much prefer the unix approach to symlinking.
Still, there'll be another version of windows along soon which might fix
this.
Cheers,
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:54:04 +0000
In article <VXVR5.9154$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8v8v02$hpi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Ahhh, I love it! Deffending NT by saying there is something wrong with
>> it. And I would say, that retruning a random uptime is something wrong.
>
>Well, no Linux or Solaris server will *EVER* be #1 in a complete list. In
>fact, In about a year, I'd expect no Solaris or Linux servers to be on the
>top 50 list. Since these servers also have a similar bug which will prevent
>them from ever displaying an uptime of larger than 497 days.
>
Interesting - so what do you expect to be in that list? Not win2k, surely?
There're bound to be more bug fixes out which require reboots, so I guess
it must be something else. NetBSD, perhaps? GNU/Hurd?
I know it won't be my Win98 machine, anyway, that rarely manages more than
3 days.
Cheers,
Mark
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:10:25 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> (e) Microsoft has less than no credibility in the server world,
> >>>> while UNIX and Linux have proven themselves admirably.
> >>>
> >>>I wouldn't say that; IIS is in fact used in a number of places.
> >>>However, it's far from clear that IIS is as powerful as
> >>>Apache, although it may depend on the application.
> >>
> >>
>
> A few words about IIS.
>
> {http://../../../../command.com}
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Charlie
404
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Linux trips over itself once again
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:05:33 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Once again Linux, in this case Mandrake 7.2, has failed to install on
>a system that has easily installed Windows.
>
If you want to run your proprietary OS, please go ahead.
Personally, I'll stick with Linux, because I can use my one CD or
ftp site or whatever to load it on as many machines as I like without
having to send Microsoft any more money. That's my kind of home
budget TCO calculation.
Cheers,
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:15:24 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Les Mikesell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:46:19 GMT
<f6WR5.22153$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:j2TR5.779$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Chris Spencer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:3a17eeac$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Why in God's name would any Linux user use Notepad?? Oh man...that would
>> > have to be this week's signt that the apocalypse is on us...
>>
>>
>> Perhaps if you had half a clue and at least a 2 post attention span, you
>would
>> know that we were discussing Wine ability, or inability rather, to run
>even
>> the most simple Windows applications.
>>
>> -Chad
>
>Linux has everything working that people are motivated to build. What
>could possibly be the motivation to make notepad work, other than
>just as a side effect of wine's generic win32 interface?
Well, for starters, other programs may start working as the bugs in the
Win32 interface (which Notepad depends on) get tweaked out. :-)
We're probably far more interested in getting programs such as
Word and even Write (or WordPad) working than Notepad, though. :-)
(Of course, Linux has better editors, anyway. VI and EMACS, to
name but two.)
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 20 Nov 2000 00:20:18 GMT
On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:12:14 GMT, Russ Lyttle wrote:
>mlw wrote:
>> You have stated that C++ is much slower than C. I have given snippets
>> which refute your points. I am only asking you if you can show me some
>> code snippets that display the behavior of which you complain. You come
[ snip ]
He's asking for an example where C++ is *slower*, not bigger. They are
not the same thing. For example, C++ strings are (usually) reference counted,
which makes them faster under some circumstances.
BTW, the example is kind of old. This is not an example of C++ being "bigger"
(would hello.c compile to a larger executable if you compiled it with g++ ?)
It's an example where you've chosen used a safer API in place of a small, high
performance API, and the resulting binary is larger and possibly slower.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 20 Nov 2000 00:33:02 GMT
On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:03:51 GMT, Les Mikesell wrote:
>I think it boils down to the fact that C++ pushes a whole lot of complexity
>into the compiler to remove a small amount from the programmer. In
I doubt anyone would dispute the "whole lot", but I'd certainly dispute
the "small". When you use OO or generic programming idioms, the C++
language makes life simpler by orders of magnitude.
>the long run this may turn out to be a good thing, but so far there is
>a history of compiler versions that are incomplete, incompatible with
>each other and unpredictable in various ways. How can we be
>sure that era is past?
I disagree with the bit about "unpredictable". I'd agree with "incomplete"
and "incompatible" though. I don't think that "era" has "come to an end",
I'd say that it's in its closing stages. There are still incompatiblities
between compilers, and they are still incomplete in their support for the
'98 standard.
It's certainly not true that the entire language is "incomplete". For example,
virtual functions and inheritence work the same way everywhere. However, some
of the newer features aren't that well implemented in some versions and one
must use them judiciously. That's not in itself a reason to discard the
whole language.
In C++, one may complain about small differences in STL
implementations, but at least C++ has something like this -- you'd have to
install a third party library in C. One could do the same in C++ also.
Or better, you could just install and use a certain implementation of STL.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers!
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:35:28 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> In article <8usc4h$72t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, steve erntner wrote:
> >how hard is it to get drivers for aztech sound cards???
> >all i want are win2k drivers for em...but do they exist? nooooooooooooooooo
> >im about to break down and cry
> >
> >
>
> Your IN LUCK! There is a W2K JEDI MASTER BY THE NAME OF {TODD} ON
> THIS NEWSGROUP! HE CLAIMS ALL W2K SYSTEMS SUPPORT EVERYTHING!
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Charlie
What model Aztech sound card?
The following are supported by default:
338 (Aureal 8820)
AT6800 (2320)
AZT 168 (3328)
AZT 16A SRS 3D (2316)
AZT 2316R
AZT 3500-B (Eur) (2320)
AZT AT3300 (Eur) (2320)
AZT AT3300 (US) (2320)
AZT AT3500 (Eur) (2320)
AZT AT3500 (US) (2320)
AZT Pro 16 III 3D (2320)
AZT Pro 16 III O (2320)
AZT Pro 16 III S+ (2320)
AZT Pro VA (2320)
AZT SC16 3D(W) (AD1816)
AZT Sound 16C (2320)
AZT Sound 3 336 FSP (2320)
AZT Sound 4 (2320)
AZT Sound Galaxy WaveRider 32+ (2316)
AZT Washington 16 (2316)
What's your model? This runs the gamut from the earliest 16 bit ISA cards to
the latest Aureal-based and SRS 3D PCI cards. This is the Windows 2000 list.
The Windows 9x list is about the same -- maybe a tad larger. Either way support
is there -- built in. What's your trouble?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:48:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 18 Nov 2000 03:28:45 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
[snip long discussion about what needs to be done to maintain
a Unix or Linux computer system]
>> Note that none of these absolutely require a shutdown, except
>> for verifying the root partition -- but the root partition should
>
>Actually, you can run fsck on a mounted root partition.
I take it one merely remounts it read-only after killing all daemons,
then does the fsck, then remounts it read-write and restarts
the daemons?
Interesting; I should have thought of that. :-) (And of course the
kernel stays up, although the rest of the system is more or less
down for the short interval of the verification. That's a form
of cheating, Aaron -- but it should work! :-) )
[rest snipped]
--
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:35:57 GMT
In article <VXVR5.9154$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8v8v02$hpi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ahhh, I love it! Deffending NT by saying there is something wrong
with
> > it. And I would say, that retruning a random uptime is something
wrong.
>
> Well, no Linux or Solaris server will *EVER* be #1 in a complete
list. In
> fact, In about a year, I'd expect no Solaris or Linux servers to be on
the
> top 50 list. Since these servers also have a similar bug which will
prevent
> them from ever displaying an uptime of larger than 497 days.
>
W2K will have to do a LOT better than the 215 days that has been the
BEST that anyone seems to be able to find for W2K, a LOT better than 75
day max that www.microsoft.com can do and a lot better than the best
that www.msn.com can do at 82 days!
What's this??? The Starbucks graph is starting to show an UPTREND the
last couple of days? Oh, that's right, the graphs are not updating
according to you so that new trend can't be happening! Or are you going
to say that that was there since the start of the debate?
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Topaz Crow)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
Date: 20 Nov 2000 00:58:41 GMT
Reply-To: alt.anonymous.messages;ATTN: Topaz Crow
On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:49:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:50:49 -0500, Chas2K
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>over and over to get just these reactions from you. I will build a kill
>>filter for Clair the Troll as soon as this post goes out. It will reside
>>along side the one for pencil-dick Rev. Kool who trolls the BSD
>>newgroups.
>>
>
>There is your first problem.
>
>" Building" a kill filter.
>
>I just killfiled you with 2 mouse clicks..
>
>Bamm...into the Bozo bin...
>
>claire
>
>Linux "The only OS you have to build as you go along".
You seem to think this is a bad thing. Some people, like myself, like to be
involved in everything my computer does. I don't like when the OS takes control
and does things I don't want. Sure it may take you two mouse clicks. And
Forte Agent is an awsome news reader. But the reason I like and use linux
as my only OS at home is because I like that control. I like building the
killfiles. I like configuring every little detail. One of the reasons is
that I learn so much that way. I can do anything I want in Linux AND Windows.
Can some of the anti linux people say that?
If you don't like to do this then go ahead and use Windows. Especially if
your more productive with it.
--
Topaz Crow -- No replies by email, sorry.
Reply to alt.anonymous.messages Subject: ATTN: Topaz Crow
PGP/GPG: DSS: 0xBADA36EA RSA: 0x357245A1
Using SuSE 7.0 and Slackware 7.1
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Topaz Crow)
Subject: Re: wahoo! I'm running now
Date: 20 Nov 2000 01:10:32 GMT
Reply-To: alt.anonymous.messages;ATTN: Topaz Crow
On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:15:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>For an engineer you really should learn how to read better, Gary
>
>I said USE THE MENU'S, NOT the buttons.
>
>Now try it that way and tell me it works and you will be lying.
>
This started with mouse buttons which everyone but you, it seems, was
talking about. And the menu's do work.
--
Topaz Crow -- No replies by email, sorry.
Reply to alt.anonymous.messages Subject: ATTN: Topaz Crow
PGP/GPG: DSS: 0xBADA36EA RSA: 0x357245A1
Using SuSE 7.0 and Slackware 7.1
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:11:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 18 Nov 2000 03:33:54 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Erik Funkenbusch
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Tue, 14 Nov 2000 01:48:50 -0600
>> <666Q5.8182$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:eT5Q5.20481$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> news:%G4Q5.8168$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > > Every machine I have worked on for the last several years has been
>> >> > > keep powered up continously for years, unless there was a failure
>> >> > > on the motherboard.
>> >> >
>> >> > Wow. Every machine you've ever worked on has been
>> >> > continuously powered up for years. That's amazing.
>> >> > You not only completely beat out every statistic known
>> >> > to man, but have never applied a kernel patch either.
>> >> Ever.
>> >>
>> >> Even if you reboot after a kernel update there is no need to power
>> >> cycle the machine. On unix/linux, you typically do such things
>> >> remotely, so who's going to flip the switch back on? Lots of
>> >> machines will power themselves off, but...
>> >
>> >In the context of this discussion, we're talking about never having
>> >to bring down the OS. That precludes rebooting.
>>
>> Aaron's statement specifically mentions powering down. This is a
>> weaker statement than never needing to reboot; even an NT box
>> that BSOD's need not be powered down to reboot it; one need
>> merely press The Button -- of course, it helps if the box which
>> has the NT BSOD on its console isn't somewhere in Outer Siberia :-).
>>
>
>Funkendork is alleging that it's necessary to POWER DOWN a computer
>for monthly maintenance.
Apart from some issues with physical dust cleaning -- I don't
know how frequently this should happen -- I for one would stipulate
that it's almost never required to power down a computer, so E.F.
is simply wrong on this issue, and I agree with you.
In fact, I suspect that powering down a computer is problematical.
Thermal issues and all that. I've had to exchange an 8 GB disk
drive because I was power-cycling my PC; ever since then I've
just left it plugged in and turned on. Mind you, the second one
eventually failed, too -- sigh -- so I just replaced it with two
IBM drives, 8 GB each, smaller form factor. That was awhile ago
and I haven't had trouble since. The original was a company
starting with the letter 'M', although the exact name now
escapes me (although I now think it was Micropolis -- definitely not
Maxxtor). I also put a fan board and two outside fans to keep the air
circulating around (it's a PP200 maxitower). It could probably
run for 5 more years, with luck. :-) Knock on wood.
(I would only power it down during the dust cleaning because of
static charges interfering with its operation with the air blowing
the dust around, but I don't know a lot about that sort of thing.
If one is careful, one could presumably dust it while running in
single-user mode, or in "BIOS PROMPT" mode where it's basically sitting
there being stupid, :-) waiting for e.g. disk drive config settings.
[Who decided not to originally implement config-reads on IDE anyway?
Duh....])
>
>Hell, even in the 1980's, Purdue ECN would keep Vaxes up for 6+ months
>straight....with occasional (every other month) time in single user mode
>to re-build filesystems to eliminate fragmentation...
Yes, that means the system is down, but not powered down -- and it's
probably not down that long. (I could see this being done in the
wee hours on Saturday morning, or perhaps Sunday, to minimize impact
on the students. Of course, there are the diehards who work at
the wee hours of the morning to finish up a project -- or more likely
just play a good rousing game of Nethack...I think at one point
I was one of them. :-) )
[.sigsnip]
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:17:55 +1000
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Certainly the text editors which come with the debian linux distro are
> far superior to notepad.exe which comes with windows. I like vi, but
> joe is interesting, and emacs is nearly an os anyway. There're stacks
> of them and all seem better than notepad.
Given that notepad is essentially just a text box widget with a window
around it an a menu bar, that's not surprising.....
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:20:42 +1000
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8v9ft5$n26$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> >"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:7bmR5.21465$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:8v4351$9rn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> The point
> >> of a link is that all programs can use them.
> >
> >The point of a shortcut is that anything making use of the shell's
features
> >can use them, and the extra features they offer.
>
> That's where I think microsoft missed a major opportunity to adopt some
> really useful functionality into Dos7/Win95/98. I was hoping that the
> shortcut would act like a symlink, but it seems to be a way of cloning
> icons rather than anything really useful.
A shortcut is, to all intents and purposes, a symlink to a shell object.
It's not a filesystem-level thing, nor is it supposed to be, nor is it
supposed to be used as such. It is wholely and solely a *shell level*
feature.
> It's a great shame, but I really
> much prefer the unix approach to symlinking.
As I've been saying, both have their advantages and disadvantages.
> Still, there'll be another version of windows along soon which might fix
> this.
NTFS can already do symlinks, if you have program to create them.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION!
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:21:54 -0600
What's your point? If you plan to stay current with the software, it's a
great deal.
If you don't, you can just buy the non-subscription version.
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> The END commeth NEARETH WINTROLLS!
>
> Microsoft has announced subscription based service
> for MS Office 10.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/2000/Nov00/SubscriptionPR.asp
>
> BTW, I cut this from my Netscape navigator and pasted it in SLRN
> in a terminal box.
>
> Love
>
> Charlie
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Topaz Crow)
Subject: Re: Linux Can't find PC133 memory???
Date: 20 Nov 2000 01:23:31 GMT
Reply-To: alt.anonymous.messages;ATTN: Topaz Crow
On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:17:16 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Yea yea, there ia always a FAQ or How-To somewhere to be found.
>
>Why can't Linux just get it right the first time instead of relying on
>all of these FAQ's to fix obvious flaws in Linux itself?
>
>claire
>
>
"Why can't linux do everything for me because I'm to stupid and lazy to read?"
"I want to use a free operating system too!" "It makes me mad that you are
all smarter than me and don't have to pay hundreds of dollars for stupid proof
blue screens!"
We know. Poor little Claire.
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