"The price of secondhand lutes is more difficult. A good lute gets better with age, and perhaps the price should reflect that..."

Martin, I suspect that you and I have been experiencing quite different used/old lutes. Of course, you do specify "good" lute; but as an active lute teacher here in Berkeley I can tell you that the instruments that my beginning players bring- or obtain out of the LSA's rental stable- weren't nearly good enough to begin with, or we need to wait a few more aeons for them to come up to par. I should be getting kickbacks from all the lutes my students have been commissioning from various builders here in North America. But you seem to see more clearly than I did the pitfalls of mentioning luthiers by name in Roman's article.

For a good discussion in regard to lute/luthier pricing- with a little necessary cold water in the face- I highly reccomend (in addition to Martin's own site) Mel Wong's blog site, "Black Bird String Arts":

http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/

Dan

On 10/15/2014 11:14 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote:
Well, Roman, I can see why you upset a few people.

I think mentioning lute makers or players by name, whether what you say about them is positive or negative, is just a bad idea - and arguably downright rude. If your comment is positive, someone reading it might wonder if you have an axe (sorry, no pun intended) to grind; if negative, your opinion is hard to judge and is almost inevitably biased and based on limited evidence.

The price of a lute is difficult to make a judgement about. The price of new lutes is way too low - consider what a decent hand-made cello would cost! That's not because cello makers are greedy people, it's just that the price of a cello more accurately reflects the amount of work and expertise which goes into it. Even a cello maker earns less than a plumber or electrician.

The price of secondhand lutes is more difficult. A good lute gets better with age, and perhaps the price should reflect that, but it's surprising how few people ask more than they paid, even if they've had the lute for a number of years. So sometimes there are excellent bargains to be had in the "for sale" columns.

My site also has a page on buying a lute, including advice on what to look for in a secondhand lute.

All the best,

Martin

On 15/10/2014 17:30, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Collective Wisdom,
Recently I had a few unpleasant conversations with some lute sellers, whose sales were thwarted by the advice given by me. Therefore I've decided to update and revise an old article of mine to reflect the practicalities of buying used lutes. So now I'm canvassing
for ideas that can be added to it -
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/theaxe.html
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RT



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