Crystal's theory (as I understand it) is that there was little
difference in pronunciation between classes. The greater difference
would have been vocabulary.
Jim Stimson
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From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: 6/8/19 2:41 AM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme
If limited just to London was the pronunciation adopted court or
educated middling class or that of the general hoi polloi?
MH
On Friday, 7 June 2019, 22:13:32 BST, jslute
<jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
wrote:
Dear All,
The pronunciation in question is in the London area, circa 1600.
Jim Stimson
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Date: 6/7/19 2:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme
Yes, but the question must be, dialect from where exactly?
Regional
dialects have always varied significantly and it is really a
vain
effort to think we can impose one true historical
pronunciation
upon
the whole of the past. This is rather like the absurd notion
among
(non-Italian) singers that there is one correct pronunciation
of
historical Italian. My hypothesis is that the primary reason
for
war
is because people just can't understand what other people are
saying.
RA
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme
Prof. Crystal relies quite a lot on Ben Jonson's English
Grammar.
Applying that to Shakespeare (and his contemporaries) he has
come
up
with a reasonable hypothesis as to the Early Modern English
dialect
of
the 16th and 17th centuries.
Regards,
Craig
> On June 7, 2019 at 11:23 AM Martyn Hodgson
<[7]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, this is a fairly common view - but I what's the
reasoning
and
> evidence for it?
> MH
>
> On Friday, 7 June 2019, 16:18:42 BST, Helen Atkinson
> <[8]hjatkinso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes - from what I've learnt from Richard Rastall and
others,
it's
> 'keu-ind' and "weu-ind" ... a bit as they'd say it in the
west
country.
> Helen
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 14:35, jslute
<[1][9]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
wrote:
>
> Dear Martyn and All,
> According to the Crystals, "wind" would be
pronounced
something
> like
> "woind" or "woynd." Ben Crystal helped with one of my
theater
> group
> productions a couple of years ago.
> Jim Stimson
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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> From: Martyn Hodgson
<[2][10]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: 6/7/19 3:30 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: howard posner <[3][11]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>,
LuteNet
list
> <[4][12]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Ed Durbrow
> <[5][13]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme
> I suppose the question is not so much which words
rhymed,
but
> which
> with which.
> For example was 'wind' rhymed with the modern
pronunciation of
> 'find/mind' - or did 'mind/find' rhyme with the
modern
'wind'
> ?
> An early spelling of 'winde' and 'kinde' might
suggest
the
> former -
> but
> do we/you know?
> MH
> On Friday, 7 June 2019, 03:10:03 BST, Ed Durbrow
> <[6][14]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2019, at 9:10 AM, howard posner
> <[1][7][15]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Ed Durbrow
> <[2][8][16]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> wanted to know which word changes so that
winde
and
kinde
> rhyme.
> >
> > If you're asking which word is pronounced as in
modern
> English (in
> what accent? Australia? Mississippi?) the
answer
may
be
> neither.
> No I'm not asking that.
> > For what it's worth, in Shakespeare's sonnets:
> >
> > Wind (in the sense of air blowing) rhymes with
find
and
> mind.
> That is the information I was looking for. Thank
you
Howard.
> Campion was a contemporary of Shakespeare, so
good
enough.
> Still wondering if there is an online resource to
find
such
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