Hello all, hello in particular guys from Ogg Vorbis,
PLEASE forgive Roel! I don't know why you flame him in such an
aggressive way. His mail did not seem too aggressive to me! In the end
there were some good hints in his message, but please forgive him now!
He did more than apologizing, offering his help in your project.
But for my own, I learned one thing: even if I will use Ogg Vorbis one
day, maybe I will, I know that it is better not to deal with it's
developers. Calling like you, Joshua do, someone an asshole just
because he dared to criticize and because his opinion (gained by
tests!) is different to the opinion of those that loudly shout "Ogg
Vorbis is better than LAME" is the worst thing you could do FOR OGG
VORBIS!
IMNSHO, it is not at all o.k., Joshua, to say your opinion in public
if it is an offence!
Instead of your writing "No one asked your opinion about Ogg Vorbis, so
why tell everyone on an *mp3* encoder mailing list your feelings?"
it would have been smarter (always IMNSHO) to understand Roel's e-mail
as a chance to improve OGG VORBIS.
BTW, please explain: am I allowed to report an OGG VORBIS bug just if
and when you ask me?
Just my $0.02,
Heribert.
PS:
I don't know Roel personally.
Joshua Bahnsen writes:
> You are inviting too much. I'd love to flame you, which I may do some day (maybe
> right now). I cringe every time I see Roel VdB coming into my inbox. I know
> it's going to be something that I find less than interesting. No one asked your
> opinion about Ogg Vorbis, so why tell everyone on an *mp3* encoder mailing list
> your feelings? Is Ogg Vorbis a final release? No, can you do better. Absolutely
> not. Beta means "not entirely stable", work in progress; there are bugs to be
> fixed. Here's my opinion, you're an asshole. But that's my opinion, so I guess it's
> ok to say it.
>
> Joshua Bahnsen
>
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:04:04 Roel VdB wrote:
> > Hello xxx,
> >
> > Thursday, September 14, 2000, 8:54:20 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > xx> Your comments are outright cruel. They edge on being completely
> > xx> non-constructive.
> >
> > Yes, the comments are very direct. It's just: I keep getting mails
> > from people telling me that OV b2 is out, and that many bugs are
> > fixed, and that it is claimed now that OV outperforms mp3 quality
> > wise.
> >
> > Then I test it, and on the first clip I use, I have obvious audible
> > artifacts.
> >
> > I know that it might not be politically correct that I am this
> > conservative, and I should be more supportive of the new patent-free
> > format, but I have this whole "hype" feeling about the whole project.
> > It was not even alpha, and it was on slashdot as "the mp3 successor".
> >
> > I like innovation, and I never intend to hurt anyones feelings, but I
> > am honest about my findings. It's just my sceptical person that is
> > quite harsh in outlet, but I'm just critical on all my tests, so why
> > should I have sympathy for this format?
> >
> > If I had to choose a good alternative format to mp3, it'd be that mp+
> > I tested briefly recently: very good on all I let it encode.
> >
> > OV is promising, but I still think it has a long way to go to be
> > "better" than mp3. Perfectly possible it sounds better at 128k or
> > so, but for archiving purposes it simply isn't good enough yet.
> >
> > xx> I'm sure that no one will benifit from your attacks.
> >
> > probably not, but being able to have a different opinion than the
> > mainstraim one, and being allowed to express it isn't a bad thing.
> >
> > I'm always open to founded and motivated critique myself, so please.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Roel mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
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