Etymology+Origin of rant (verb) 1598, from Du. randten "talk foolishly, rave," of unknown origin (cf. Ger. rantzen "to frolic, spring about"). The noun is first attested 1649, from the verb. Ranters "antinomian sect which arose in England c.1645" is attested from 1651; applied 1823 to early Methodists. A 1700 slang dictionary has rantipole "a rude wild Boy or Girl."
On 7/11/2011 8:32 PM, Tim Rolls wrote: rant. Old Eng. 17th-cent. dance of the jig variety. It originated in Scotland an d N. England. Four examples occur in Playford's The Dancing Master (1657 and 166 5 revisions). The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music | 1996 Any advance on Playford? Smith's New Rant (What happened to the old one?) A Scots Rant A rendition of The Italian Rant [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPL2FXqVc9M Tim On 11 Jul 2011, at 14:06, Gibbons, John wrote: 'Rant', as in 'Morpeth Rant', appeared in Vickers' MS in 1770, predating the Primitive Methodists. But 'Ranters' were another religious sect during the Civil War, so an old name was reapplied to the Primitive Methodists. The use of 'rant' for various dance tunes, in various rhythms, occurs through much of the 18th century, eg The Cameronian's Rant is a reel, The Collier's Rant a song in 6/8. The restricted use of the term to 4/4 tunes like The Morpeth Rant is much more s pecific, and local to Northumberland. It is perhaps significant that Scots Measures went out of fashion about the time rants came in. Both have 8 bars of 4/4. The main difference between the forms is that in the fo rmer, the cadences have a crotchet then two tied (syncopated) crotchets, while rants have a strong 3rd beat, and there is no tie. It would be interesting to know (though we never will) what Morpeth Rant looked like in Vickers before the page got lost. He retained syncopation in similar positions in some hornpipes. John -----Original Message----- From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[3]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Beha lf Of Tim Rolls Sent: 11 July 2011 13:46 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Rants again Unencumbered as I am by knowledge, experience or understanding of dance steps, I too have asked this question. I am led to believe that the emphasis should be o n the third beat of the bar as this mirrors a larger/more emphatic step in the d ance. I had a look at Moody to see if there's any guidance linguistically. No definite help, we have: Rantan, Rantaan. Used in the phrase "on the rantan", indulging one's self in dis orderly and wild conduct as a form of high spirited enjoyment: a milder form of "on the rampaadge"(sic), "on the spree", e.g. He's gyen on the rantan, i.e. his frolic can be sympathetically excused. Ranter 1. A term applied in contemptuous disparagement to the more zealous members of t he Methodist Church - particularly of the Primitive Methodist body - who were gi ven to ardent impromptu prayers, lusty singing of hymns and loud ejaculations of Pious praise during their religious services. Thus: "Aa've left the Chorch (Ang lican) an' aa've joined the Ranters.Note, the Primitive Methodist Church origina ted in 1807-1810 and the term Ranter was first used in 1814. 2. By transference, applied to hymns sung in the Primitive Methodist and United Methodist Churches, or in the Salvation Army. These hymns, nowadays sadly out of favour, were characterised by rollicking tunes, half line refrains (sung by alt ernate parts) and rather crude sentiment; but they were enjoyable to sing and we re rendered both lustily and fervently: e.g. "Ay, that's a gud aad Rantor that h ymn" So can anyone fill in the gap between the hymns and the dance? Or any of the rol licking tunes? I'll put this on the NSP forum as a question too. cheers Tim On 11 Jul 2011, at 13:05, Gibbons, John wrote: Why has this rant thread gone so quiet all last week? What makes a tune sound like a rant, rather than a reel or hornpipe? If I take a (4 in a bar) hornpipe without triplets, speed it up a bit, but not a s much as a reel, smooth out the dotting a bit, and emphasise the odd beats at the expense of the even ones, will I get a rant? How essential are those 3-crotchet cadences? Are there any essential stylistic features that this attempt at a description mi sses? John To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - [5]www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3756 - Release Date: 07/10/11 -- References Visible links 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPL2FXqVc9M 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.avg.com/ Hidden links: 6. http://www.realdictionary.com/?q=cry
