IDDM doesn't let you 'maintain your precious delicious highcarb diet' - doing something stupid like drinking a can of coke messes up your BGL for the whole day, and is still measureable the next day.
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Stephen Price <step...@lythixdesigns.com> wrote: > Sure, you have to be careful. Ketosis is a natural state, you are born in > Ketosis and you often wake up in Ketosis. Being an insulin dependent > diabetic is probably not normal. (ie its a disease. Something isn't working > right). But back before people had insulin to inject, the way to treat > diabetes was through diet alone. Nowdays people don't want to change their > precious delicious highcarb diets so the doctors give out insulin so they > don't have to. It would be like giving a kid with a peanut alergy an Epipen > and say here you go. heres a plate of peanuts, go crazy. > > > I have heard people with diabetes can iron out the volatile sugar spikes > in their blood by going LCHF. A less reactive blood sugar levels has to be > easier to keep right. Not being diabetic, I don't know first hand. It's > true everyone are different. But we are all chemical machines. > ------------------------------ > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> on > behalf of mike smith <meski...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 June 2017 1:36:18 PM > > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: [OT] Sit/stand desk results > > Ketogenisis is too close to ketoaccidosis[1] for someone with insulin > dependent diabetes to want to try. But if you don't, then sure :) > > > Vegan diets, I suspect work because you have to monitor what you eat to > get a balanced diet. > > Avoid sugar? I do that. Also 'empty carbs' It's unlikely you can lose > weight through exercise alone. If you're on this list, you're a coder, > not a brickie/labourer. :) > > > Mike > > > [1] you even measure it the same way!! > > > On 20 Jun. 2017 2:33 pm, "Bec C" <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'd have to respectfully disagree. Tried it and lost weight. >> >> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Stephen Price <step...@lythixdesigns.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Nope. >>> >>> If you cut calories and have any carbs in your system then you will have >>> insulin in your system and your body will be in storing mode. Impossible to >>> lose ANY weight if you are only storing. >>> >>> To bring it back on topic for the list it would be like being only able >>> to append records to a database table and not be able to delete. If you can >>> never delete then its impossible to make the table smaller. >>> >>> Insulin = store only. >>> >>> It's hormonal not caloric. You would put weight on if your lower >>> calories were high carb/sugars. Try it. >>> >>> On 20 Jun. 2017 12:01 pm, Bec C <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Never said a calorie is a calorie. Anyway try it, cut calories by like >>> 300-500 a day and you will lose weight. >>> >>> Anyway this post was about sit stand desks... >>> >>> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Piers Williams <piers.willi...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> 'As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories' >>> >>> Read The Case Against Sugar or Pure White and Deadly, or watch That >>> Sugar Film, or The Men That Made Us Fat. They all make the point that the >>> basic biochemistry (which is well established) *absolutely* disagrees >>> with this. Fat, glucose and fructose all have very different pathways for >>> metabolism, which makes a lie of the 'calorie is a calorie' mantra (itself >>> accused of being an invention of the sugar industry). In That Sugar Film >>> (admittedly a sample size of one) he puts on significant weight without >>> changing total calorific intake, by swapping fat for sugar (and explains >>> why). >>> >>> I take everything I read highly skeptically, but in particular The Case >>> Against Sugar is very comprehensively argued and well worth reading. The >>> historical context is particularly damming. >>> >>> On 20 Jun. 2017 08:53, "Bec C" <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You can be an idiot on any diet. I wouldn't believe everything you read >>> either. I've seen studies that totally contradict each other. >>> >>> Just for the record I'm not actually vegan. I tried it a few years ago. >>> >>> As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories. Being healthy is >>> a whole different thing. >>> >>> Anyway too off topic now >>> >>> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Piers Williams <piers.willi...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> OOTT: At the risk of starting a flame war, I'm going to call shenanigans >>> on this one (sorry Bec). Whilst most vegans probably have very healthy >>> diets (due to increased awareness of what they eat) there's nothing >>> inherent in veganism that actually ensures this, as a quick scan down the >>> vegan society pages confirms: https://www.vegansociety.com/r >>> esources/lifestyle/food-and-drink. Plenty of sugary treats in that list >>> described as vegan, even beans on toast is packed with the stuff. >>> >>> It's *not* about the calories. https://www.theguard >>> ian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lust >>> ig-john-yudkin >>> >>> OOTT= off off-topic topic >>> >>> On 20 Jun. 2017 06:29, "Bec C" <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yep that podcast is fairly good. Veganism also works for losing weight, >>> very hard to eat excess calories on a vegan diet. >>> >>> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Stephen Price <step...@lythixdesigns.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Totally agree on this point. I've been ketogenic for six months now >>> (lost 6kg in the first month, have plateaued now but feel great). Some .net >>> people may know Carl Franklin's been podcasting at 2ketodudes.com, and >>> he's done an awesome job recording his progress. 6 months and he lost 80lb >>> and is no longer type 2 diabetic. >>> Got so much out of it, I backed his kickstarter project to turn his town >>> keto for a weekend. Flying out with my wife in a couple of weeks. Will be >>> seeing the sights in New York, then up to New London for ketofest. >>> Btw, you don't have to be over weight to suffer the damaging effects of >>> too much carbs/sugar. The inflammatory damage in your veins can't be seen >>> from the outside. >>> >>> One of the strange side effects I have noticed is that some days I >>> forget to eat. Today, I had accidentally turned off my alarm so was running >>> a bit late. Went to work with no breakfast, had one coffee at work, and >>> worked right through lunch as I hadn't taken anything and office is a bit >>> of a drive from places to eat. Barely noticed. >>> Don't miss sugar. Finding some awesome recipes along the way. Recently >>> made deep fried chicken crumbed in pork rinds combined with Parmesan >>> cheese. >>> So good. Hmm... this might possibly be the first recipe shared on this >>> elist. :) >>> >>> Anyway to keep on topic, had a standup desk and my last project, one of >>> those motorised ones. Great for exercise and strengthening but not losing >>> weight. What you put in your body has way more effect in that regard. You >>> can lose weight with zero exercise, but exercise is important for other >>> reasons. I.e. Preventing muscles wasting away. If you don't use it, you >>> lose it. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Stephen >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> >>> on behalf of Piers Williams <piers.willi...@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Monday, June 19, 2017 8:46:35 PM >>> *To:* ozDotNet >>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Sit/stand desk results >>> >>> There are quite a few people in my office now using sit-to-stand desks. >>> I sent a scary article around about a year or so ago about the health >>> issues, but I think it's mostly the availability of reasonable quality >>> converters (Varidesk etc) that's really changed things. >>> >>> I'm between offices too much to have one myself (I'd need 3), so I just >>> concentrate on having a regular walk around the office instead, and having >>> all meetings as stand ups. And - on the insulin front - be sure to read up >>> on (and cut down on) the sugar that's crammed into everything these days. >>> >>> On 19 Jun. 2017 14:33, "Tony Wright" <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> No, not the back for me. They say that your body stops regulating >>> insulin properly after 4 hours of sitting, and that's about when I was >>> feeling unwell/lethargic from sitting. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Tony >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Did you switch to this for a specific reason (lower back problem for >>> example)? If so did this help at all in a noticeable way? >>> >>> >>> On Monday, 19 June 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> It changes for me. Sometimes I stand, sometimes I sit. If I feel that >>> I've been sitting for too long, I hit the buttons and stand for a while. >>> I'm not regretful for one second that I have the option. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Tony >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hey folks >>> >>> I recall a while ago discussion into sit/stand desks and was interested >>> in how people went with this setup. Did those that tried standing get any >>> good (or bad) results? Are they still doing it or went back to only sitting? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
