2010/9/1 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez <miguel.c...@gmail.com> > El mié, 01-09-2010 a las 15:44 +0900, Serge Stinckwich escribió: > > Don't confuse open-source software with free software: > > > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html > > I think that this has already gone off-topic. The original argument was > that Andreas wanted to open source it (MIT likely) and at the same time > prohibiting forking of the codebase. > My point was that if it was open source or free software then the > forking was a granted right. > If he wanted to avoid it then he couldn't claim is free software or open > source. > > With MIT you can fork (of course) but also with GPL (like the > emacs/xemacs fork). > > Let not bring this thread in a free software vs open source war. >
+1 Laurent Laffont http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > Cheers > > > > > > 2010/8/31 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez <miguel.c...@gmail.com>: > > > El mar, 31-08-2010 a las 00:43 +0200, Levente Uzonyi escribió: > > >> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez wrote: > > >> > > >> > El mar, 31-08-2010 a las 00:25 +0200, Levente Uzonyi escribió: > > >> > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Friedrich Dominicus wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Levente Uzonyi <le...@elte.hu> writes: > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> I suggest that the people that want and know, group together > and build an open-source one. > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> Why do you have to have your "own" library? > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Did I say "pharo library"? reread carefully I said an > "open-source one". > > >> > > > > >> > > What I get from Andreas' words is that he's willing to make it > open > > >> > > source if it won't be forked. > > >> > Hm I think this is impossible. If it's OS it's up to whomever get > its > > >> > hand on it. Or am I mistaken? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Just think about GPL, it's open source, but you can't fork the code > if you > > >> > don't release your changes as GPL too. > > >> > > >> "I don't get it. If it is open source then is forkable. Period. > > >> If it is a special case like GPL, it add some other restriction, like > > >> you can't redistribute the new code without it being also GPL. You can > > >> fork it and not using GPL for the new changes, the restriction is that > > >> you can't redistribute it." > > >> > > >> From wikipedia: "Open-source software (OSS) is computer software that > is > > >> available in source code form for which the source code and certain > other > > >> rights normally reserved for copyright holders are provided under a > > >> software license that permits users to study, change, and improve the > > >> software." > > >> > > >> There's nothing about forking or redistributing here. I could make a > > >> license that says: you can study, change and improve the software, but > > >> you can't redistribute it without my permission. > > >> > > >> "But the fact remains that it is forkable always. If you don't want it > > >> forkable, then use other non open source license." > > >> > > >> See above. You could "fork" it, but that wouldn't be open source > anymore. > > >> > > > > > > You must be kidding. The freedom to fork is a essential right of open > > > source software: > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10379280-16.html > > > > > > http://asay.blogspot.com/2006/10/wither-right-to-fork.html > > > > > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html > > > http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd > > > http://www.opensource.org/node/357 > > > > > > period. > > > > > >> > > >> Levente > > >> > > >> > > >> Cheers > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Levente > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Regards > > >> > Friedrich > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Q-Software Solutions GmbH; Sitz: Bruchsal; Registergericht: Mannheim > > >> > Registriernummer: HRB232138; Geschaeftsfuehrer: Friedrich Dominicus > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Pharo-project mailing list > > >> > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >> > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project > mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Miguel Cobá > > >> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Pharo-project mailing list > > >> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >> _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing > list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > -- > > > Miguel Cobá > > > http://miguel.leugim.com.mx > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > -- > > Serge Stinckwich > > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Miguel Cobá > http://miguel.leugim.com.mx > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >
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