On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Jeff Newmiller <jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote: > To be fair, Rolf, they have already found difficulty and are trying to find > their way out of this torrent, and impeding their way is not in anyone's > interest. > > John: I agree that adding the word "unsubscribe" to the footer would probably > help those lost enough to be mailing the list. The existing web page does > have that word on it, though. > > Fabio: I was unaware of the unsubscribe header... looks interesting, though I > would be concerned that it seems like it might bypass the password protection > currently in place, making it susceptible to abuse. However, there seem to be > quite a lot of organizations using it so it may work better than my initial > impression tells me it does.
FYI, if you look at the raw email messages, they all have the following in the header: X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Main R Mailing List: Primary help" <r-help.r-project.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/options/r-help>, <mailto:r-help-requ...@r-project.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/> List-Post: <mailto:r-help@r-project.org> List-Help: <mailto:r-help-requ...@r-project.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help>, <mailto:r-help-requ...@r-project.org?subject=subscribe> Note that "List-Unsubscribe" field [http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2369.html]. That does not seem to be enough to have Gmail add a "unsubscribe" button/link (which is indeed a useful UX feature). Google mention some more requirements in https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#unsub, particularly "'Precedence: bulk'", which I find on since mailing lists typically use "list" just as r-help does. I also found a mentioning on "DKIM key signature" being required [http://blog.mailchimp.com/gmails-new-unsubscribe-link-and-feedback-loop/]. So, not sure how easy it is to enable all this for the list(s) (which are handled by Mailman). My $.02 /Henrik > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jeff Newmiller The ..... ..... Go Live... > DCN:<jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... > Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing > Research Engineer (Solar/Batteries O.O#. #.O#. with > /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. > > On November 29, 2014 6:14:11 PM PST, Rolf Turner <r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz> > wrote: >>On 30/11/14 14:16, John Sorkin wrote: >>> I don't see a link that is labeled "unsubscribe". >> >><SNIP> >> >>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Jeff Newmiller >><jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> In what way would that be unlike the link that is already there? >> >><SNIP> >> >>>> On November 29, 2014 4:09:29 PM PST, John Sorkin >>> <jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu> wrote: >>>>>> Requests like this appear from time to time. Would it make sense >>to >>>>> add a link to the bottom of the email messages generated by the >>mail >>>>> program that is labeled and goes directly to the unsubscribe page? >> >>Well, there is no "unsubscribe" page as such. The link given, i.e. >> >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> >>takes you to the primary help page. That provides a link to a (password >> >>protected) page where you can handle all matters pertaining to your >>r-help subscription, including unsubscribing. >> >>I suppose that it might be possible to provide a link taking one >>directly to this second page, but: >> >>(1) It would add clutter (I'm sure we don't want to delete the link to >>the primary help page). >> >>(2) The password protection might get complicated; I don't know about >>such matters. >> >>(3) I don't think we want to waste time and resources helping people >>who >>are too stupid and illiterate to find their way to the unsubscribe >>facility on the basis of what is already provided. They shouldn't be >>R users in the first place. One needs at least two grey cells to rub >>together to deal with R. >> >>cheers, >> >>Rolf Turner > > ______________________________________________ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
