Dear John
Perhaps you have set your mail client to hide them? Your email certainly
has them when I go Options | View | Headers | All in Thunderbird.
Michael
On 30/11/2014 12:05, John Sorkin wrote:
The headers listed below as being part of the ״raw" email messages are
not seen, at least not in the messages I receive.
John
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On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Henrik Bengtsson <h...@biostat.ucsf.edu>
wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Jeff Newmiller
<jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
To be fair, Rolf, they have already found difficulty and are trying
to find their way out of this torrent, and impeding their way is not in
anyone's interest.
John: I agree that adding the word "unsubscribe" to the footer would
probably help those lost enough to be mailing the list. The existing web
page does have that word on it, though.
Fabio: I was unaware of the unsubscribe header... looks interesting,
though I would be concerned that it seems like it might bypass the
password protection currently in place, making it susceptible to abuse.
However, there seem to be quite a lot of organizations using it so it
may work better than my initial impression tells me it does.
FYI, if you look at the raw email messages, they all have the
following in the header:
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Main R Mailing List: Primary help" <r-help.r-project.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/options/r-help>,
<mailto:r-help-requ...@r-project.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/>
List-Post: <mailto:r-help@r-project.org>
List-Help: <mailto:r-help-requ...@r-project.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help>,
<mailto:r-help-requ...@r-project.org?subject=subscribe>
Note that "List-Unsubscribe" field
[http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2369.html]. That does not seem to be
enough to have Gmail add a "unsubscribe" button/link (which is indeed
a useful UX feature). Google mention some more requirements in
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#unsub, particularly
"'Precedence: bulk'", which I find on since mailing lists typically
use "list" just as r-help does. I also found a mentioning on "DKIM
key signature" being required
[http://blog.mailchimp.com/gmails-new-unsubscribe-link-and-feedback-loop/].
So, not sure how easy it is to enable all this for the list(s) (which
are handled by Mailman).
My $.02
/Henrik
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On November 29, 2014 6:14:11 PM PST, Rolf Turner
<r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
On 30/11/14 14:16, John Sorkin wrote:
I don't see a link that is labeled "unsubscribe".
<SNIP>
On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Jeff Newmiller
<jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
In what way would that be unlike the link that is already there?
<SNIP>
On November 29, 2014 4:09:29 PM PST, John Sorkin
<jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu> wrote:
Requests like this appear from time to time. Would it make sense
to
add a link to the bottom of the email messages generated by the
mail
program that is labeled>>> Well, there is no "unsubscribe" page as such. The
link given, i.e.
https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
takes you to the primary help page. That provides a link to a
(password
protected) page where you can handle all matters pertaining to your
r-help subscription, including unsubscribing.
I suppose that it might be possible to provide a link taking one
directly to this second page, but:
(1) It would add clutter (I'm sure we don't want to delete the link
to
the primary help page).
(2) The password protection might get complicated; I don't know
about
such matters.
(3) I don't think we want to waste time and resources helping people
who
are too stupid and illiterate to find their way to the unsubscribe
facility on the basis of what is already provided. They shouldn't
be
R users in the first place. One needs at least two grey cells to
rub
together to deal with R.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
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