Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE3 removal
On Thursday 26 November 2009 00:23:04 James wrote:
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes:
device-mapper has been moved into lvm2 as only it and crypt really use
it. Just bypass revdep-rebuild for this and install lvm2, then possibly
reboot and remove device-mapper.
Well revdep-rebuild finally shows clear.
After updating and syncing, I get this upon trying to update world:
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/kbd-1.15 [1.13-r1]
[ebuild U ] sys-fs/udev-147-r1 [147]
[uninstall] sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.24-r1
[blocks b ] sys-fs/device-mapper (sys-fs/device-mapper is blocking
sys-fs/udev-147-r1)
[blocks B ] sys-fs/lvm2-2.02.45 (sys-fs/lvm2-2.02.45 is blocking
sys-fs/udev-147-r1)
* Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
* installed at the same time on the same system.
('installed', '/', 'sys-fs/lvm2-2.02.36', 'nomerge') pulled in by
sys-fs/lvm2 required by world
('ebuild', '/', 'sys-fs/udev-147-r1', 'merge') pulled in by
virtual/dev-manager required by world
emerge -C device-mapper emerge lvm2 udev
I find it odd that you have two SLOTs of xulrunner. These days we tend to
need only one at a time. Perhaps you have both in world; what does equery
depends have to say about those packages?
Installed versions: 1.8.1.19(1.8)(16:50:24 11/25/09)(gnome ipv6 java
-debug -elibc_FreeBSD -xinerama) 1.9.1.4(1.9)(17:22:06 11/25/09)(alsa dbus
gnome java python -custom-optimization -debug -elibc_FreeBSD -sqlite
-startup-notification) Homepage:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XULRunner Description:
Mozilla runtime package that can be used to bootstrap XUL+XPCOM
applications
I think swt and eclispe 3.4 are calling for the second xulrunner?
swt version 3.4 and 3.5 DEPEND on xulrunner:1.9
swt version 3.3 DEPENDs on xulrunner:1.8
eclipse doesn't DEPEND on xulrunner at all, but various other things do.
equery depends -a xulrunner:1.8 lists about 40 possibilities here.
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] No sound after suspend to ram + resume...
On Thursday 26 November 2009 00:46:48 Marcus Wanner wrote: On 11/25/2009 5:10 PM, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 25 November 2009 19:29:43 Marcus Wanner wrote: I just set up suspend to ram on my old Dell Dimension 8200. It has a Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] sound card which uses the snd_cs46xx kernel driver. After suspending to ram (using hibernate-ram) and resuming, sound no longer works. I checked out dmesg, and it says that (among other things): during suspend: [ 354.947535] Sound Fusion CS46xx :02:07.0: PCI INT A disabled during resume: [ 355.029211] Sound Fusion CS46xx :02:07.0: restoring config space at offset 0xf (was 0x18040100, writing 0x18040103) [ 355.029231] Sound Fusion CS46xx :02:07.0: restoring config space at offset 0x5 (was 0x0, writing 0xfe10) [ 355.029239] Sound Fusion CS46xx :02:07.0: restoring config space at offset 0x4 (was 0x0, writing 0xfe2ff000) [ 355.029246] Sound Fusion CS46xx :02:07.0: restoring config space at offset 0x3 (was 0x0, writing 0x4000) [ 355.029256] Sound Fusion CS46xx :02:07.0: restoring config space at offset 0x1 (was 0x410, writing 0x4100102) [ 355.128883] Sound Fusion CS46xx :02:07.0: PCI INT A - GSI 16 (level, low) - IRQ 16 this is the interesting bit: [ 365.672980] cs46xx: failure waiting for FIFO command to complete I searched the web, but found nothing relevant. Any help would be very much appreciated. Check the various hybernation/acpi config files. There should be the option somewhere in there to stop alsasound when it hybernates and start it again on resume. That doesn't work, thanks for the suggestion though. I even tried running /etc/init.d/alsasound stop from a terminal, and sound kept playing. I added RestartServices alsasound to common.conf, and suspend + resumed. Going down, audio continued until the screen went black, then it jittered until the computer actually turned off (1/2 second later). When I pressed the power button to resume, I heard a pop, but nothing else. I think I need to actually restart the drivers and the hardware after resuming...and ideas? I guess you may need to moprobe -r driver before you hibernate and see if that works? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] eclipse portage package
Chuck Robey schrieb: I was checking to see what version of eclipse seems to have a portage package, and I was kinda shocked that the package seems a bit outdated. 3.4 is the current portage package, but eclipse has been at 3.5 for a good while now. Seeing as the eclipse website has a linux binary 3.5+ package, unless I've overlooked something available from gentoo (I would be overjoyed to have made that mistake) then I'm going to be forced to see how to coax portage to allow me to use that eclipse site binary package to sub for ALL eclipse packages. Anyone know how to get portage to make externally supplied binaries to supply portage eclipse dependencies? All of the huge number of eclipse plugins can be done without using portage just fine, but the eclipse itself, that I would really rather use a portage ebuild for installation. While I totally buy into the whole package managing and distribution system and consider it the best thing since sliced bread, I suggest you make an exception for eclipse. The problem is that eclipse contains its own package management for its plugins. This doesn't work very well with a global installation in /opt or /usr where a normal user should not have write rights. It is much better to have every user download and install eclipse into their home-directories. This has the advantage that every user can contain its own set of plugins and extensions. I personally have several versions of eclipse installed: One for J2EE and a much leaner version for C++. Having one version with all plugins would make eclipse unbearably slow. Hope this helps Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Gentoo in the enterprise
I just read http://lwn.net/Articles/361695/ -- I don't subscribe -- noticed ... others who are using Linux in high-stakes situations - even a major stock exchange which has based its operation on Gentoo. JC goes on at length re the NYSE : does anyone know which one uses Gentoo ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] No sound after suspend to ram + resume...
After suspending to ram (using hibernate-ram) and resuming, sound no longer works. I checked out dmesg, and it says that (among other things): Check the various hybernation/acpi config files. There should be the option somewhere in there to stop alsasound when it hybernates and start it again on resume. My wisdom agrees with this. 90% of problems I've had getting hibernate-ram to function correctly is all in the /etc/hibernate/common.conf file. Please check these options very well. For different kernel builds or X configurations, the best settings can easily change. If you recently updated the kernel, then please reboot once again, as the alsa configurations can change slightly, and it will try to auto-convert old alsa settings. Also please run alsaconf as well to make sure the settings are correct. ~daid
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in the enterprise
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 04:54 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: I just read http://lwn.net/Articles/361695/ -- I don't subscribe -- noticed ... others who are using Linux in high-stakes situations - even a major stock exchange which has based its operation on Gentoo. JC goes on at length re the NYSE : does anyone know which one uses Gentoo ? NYSE uses RHEL.
Re: [gentoo-user] what is overloaded my X server?
2009/11/25 Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de: Hi, on one of several machines and only occasionally my X-server (/usr/bin/X) takes nearly 100% CPU. I have killed some applications but this didn't help unless I killed X itself and restarted it. Is there any way to find out what is hogging my X server? Another thing worth note is what version of the kernel you are running versus how updated X is. I noticed when I migrated to libxcb under a 2.6.27 kernel that X starts running much more slowly for strange cases (like when audio is running, for example, X hogs the processor). I don't have a lot of insight as to how to determine which program makes X run hot, except for running very few things in X and starting a program and keeping an eye on something like top. But, in any case, another solution may be to keep the kernel updated if you are running the latest X software. ~daid
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in the enterprise
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 06:42:37AM -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 04:54 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: I just read http://lwn.net/Articles/361695/ -- I don't subscribe -- noticed ... others who are using Linux in high-stakes situations - even a major stock exchange which has based its operation on Gentoo. JC goes on at length re the NYSE : does anyone know which one uses Gentoo ? NYSE uses RHEL. A little public survey would be nice on gentoo.org to have an overview about who uses Gentoo : --- Firms using Gentoo (on some cpu) Firms using Gentoo (as main OS) Labs using Gentoo (partly) Labs using Gentoo (as main OS) --- Just a funny suggestion, Redouane. Using gentoo at my Lab and at my company. :)
Re: [gentoo-user] what is overloaded my X server?
daid kahl wrote: 2009/11/25 Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de: Hi, on one of several machines and only occasionally my X-server (/usr/bin/X) takes nearly 100% CPU. I have killed some applications but this didn't help unless I killed X itself and restarted it. Is there any way to find out what is hogging my X server? Another thing worth note is what version of the kernel you are running versus how updated X is. I noticed when I migrated to libxcb under a 2.6.27 kernel that X starts running much more slowly for strange cases (like when audio is running, for example, X hogs the processor). I don't have a lot of insight as to how to determine which program makes X run hot, except for running very few things in X and starting a program and keeping an eye on something like top. But, in any case, another solution may be to keep the kernel updated if you are running the latest X software. ~daid What is the process that causes the trouble? After the latest update I also found my KDE to be under high cpu load. The offending process was kwin. After some googling I found that switching off Vsync could help me. This option is in System Setting - Desktop - Advanced Options. That helped in my case. Hope, that can help.
[gentoo-user] Missing /tmp/.sockets or slow program start
Hi My system went pretty slow this days, xemacs used about 5 seconds to startup. I remember that this startup time was much faster before. After a little tinkering i found that xemacs pauses during startup at acessing /tmp/.sockets, which did not exist on my box. After creating this file (touch /tmp/.sockets as user) xemacs fires up almost intantanous, which is how it was some time before. My question: What program is creating /tmp/.sockets? Did I mess up any configuration? Urs
Re: [gentoo-user] what is overloaded my X server?
Thanks David, thanks Zhen! I'm running the 2.6.31-gentoo-r6 kernel, xorg-server-1.6.5-r1 and x11-drivers/ati-drivers-9.11 So, this is quite recent. I've patched my xorg-server as described here http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-am...@lists.gentoo.org/msg11704.html I don't run KDE and most of the time everything works just fine. Then, suddenly X takes much CPU time, the mouse gets nearly non-responsive. I have killed nearly any user process without any change. Only killing X itself cures the problem. Of course, I have reemerged x11-base/xorg-server x11-drivers/ati-drivers and I have run revdep-rebuild. Probably I have to somehow compare every lib on the faulty machine to another once which should have identical packages. Thanks again, Helmut. On 26 Nov, daid kahl wrote: 2009/11/25 Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de: Hi, on one of several machines and only occasionally my X-server (/usr/bin/X) takes nearly 100% CPU. I have killed some applications but this didn't help unless I killed X itself and restarted it. Is there any way to find out what is hogging my X server? Another thing worth note is what version of the kernel you are running versus how updated X is. I noticed when I migrated to libxcb under a 2.6.27 kernel that X starts running much more slowly for strange cases (like when audio is running, for example, X hogs the processor). I don't have a lot of insight as to how to determine which program makes X run hot, except for running very few things in X and starting a program and keeping an eye on something like top. But, in any case, another solution may be to keep the kernel updated if you are running the latest X software. ~daid -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
[gentoo-user] prune gentoo-sources vs rm gentoo-sources
Hi group, according to the docs the approved method of removing old gentoo-sources is emerge --prune. But I've already used rm -rf on them. Have I set myself up for a problem later? Maxim
Re: [gentoo-user] prune gentoo-sources vs rm gentoo-sources
On Donnerstag 26 November 2009, Maxim Wexler wrote: Hi group, according to the docs the approved method of removing old gentoo-sources is emerge --prune. But I've already used rm -rf on them. Have I set myself up for a problem later? Maxim no. in fact, i always remove the sources with -rf before I unmerge them. It is A LOT faster that way.
Re: [gentoo-user] eclipse portage package
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:14:39 -0500
Marcus Wanner wrote:
On 11/25/2009 12:20 PM, Chuck Robey wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
m...@dragonfly ~/Desktop $ eix eclipse
* dev-java/ant-eclipse-ecj
Available versions:
(3.3) 3.3.0-r1
(3.4) 3.4
(3.5) ~3.5.1
{elibc_FreeBSD}
Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/
Description: Ant Compiler Adapter for Eclipse Java
Compiler
This shows that 3.5.1 is available, but is masked by a ~arch keyword.
This means that the ebuild for 3.5.1 is not stable yet, and is not
guaranteed to work (though it most likely will).
* dev-java/eclipse-ecj
Available versions:
(3.3) 3.3.0-r3
(3.4) 3.4-r4
(3.5) ~3.5.1
{ant elibc_FreeBSD java6}
Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/
Description: Eclipse Compiler for Java
Same for eclipse-ecj...
* dev-util/eclipse-sdk
Available versions: (3.4) 3.4-r2
{doc elibc_FreeBSD java6}
Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/
Description: Eclipse Tools Platform
But not eclipse-sdk.
dragonfly ~ # emerge -pv eclipse-ecj
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N] app-admin/eselect-ecj-0.3 0 kB
[ebuild N] dev-java/eclipse-ecj-3.4-r4 USE=-java6 1,251 kB
Total: 2 packages (2 new), Size of downloads: 1,251 kB
Here, he shows what would be installed if you ran emerge elipse-ecj.
dragonfly ~ # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -pv eclipse-ecj
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N] dev-python/pyxml-0.8.4-r2 USE=-doc -examples 0
kB [ebuild N] dev-java/javatoolkit-0.3.0-r3 17 kB
[ebuild N] dev-java/ant-core-1.7.1-r4 USE=-doc -source
6,828 kB [ebuild N] app-admin/eselect-ecj-0.3 0 kB
[ebuild N] dev-java/eclipse-ecj-3.5.1 USE=ant 1,268 kB
[ebuild N] dev-java/ant-eclipse-ecj-3.5.1 0 kB
Total: 6 packages (6 new), Size of downloads: 8,111 kB
This is what would happen if you temporarily told the system to allow
the installation of ~arch packages. Temporarily setting ~arch is a
Bad Idea!
I need to get an up-to-date version of eclipse working on my gentoo
box. First question is, is there a Galileo (3.5+) version of
eclipse available as a portage package? I can't find it, so I'd
really appreciate a pointer. The only thing I can see is a fairly
old eclipse version (I think a year or more out of date).
That is because the newer version is keyworded with ~arch. Emerge
will not tell you that there is a newer, keyworded version available.
Second question, at the eclipse website, I see a binary version of
the latest Linux-eclipse (the version I'm after). If I *can't* get
a portage package version of Galileo-eclipse,
Don't worry, I'll show you how in a little bit!
then if I install the binary package (non-portage)
from the eclipse website, can I get (and how can I get) portage to
consider this package as supplying any dependency which would be
otherwise supplied by the latest (ganymede, 3.4+) portage version
of the eclipse tool
As far as I know of, that is not possible without ugly hacks.
Unless I'm completely misreading your stuff, your examples tell me
how to install the (too old) portage version, which is in all cases
just too old for me, so my 2 questions boil down to (1) must I?,
and (2) How do I?
I don't know what you mean by must I?, but the answer to How do
I? is right here:
First, you need to create a folder called /etc/portage as root. Then,
create a file called package.keywords in that directory. When you
want to install a keyworded package (dev-java/eclipse-ecj-3.5.1 in
this case), you run
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -pv eclipse-ecj
to see what packages are needed for the keyworded version. Then, you
copy the the package names mentioned to package.keywords. In the
example above, the command outputted:
[ebuild N] dev-python/pyxml-0.8.4-r2 USE=-doc -examples 0 kB
[ebuild N] dev-java/javatoolkit-0.3.0-r3 17 kB
[ebuild N] dev-java/ant-core-1.7.1-r4 USE=-doc -source 6,828
kB [ebuild N] app-admin/eselect-ecj-0.3 0 kB
[ebuild N] dev-java/eclipse-ecj-3.5.1 USE=ant 1,268 kB
[ebuild N] dev-java/ant-eclipse-ecj-3.5.1 0 kB
So you would add this:
dev-python/pyxml-0.8.4-r2
dev-java/javatoolkit-0.3.0-r3
dev-java/ant-core-1.7.1-r4
app-admin/eselect-ecj-0.3
dev-java/eclipse-ecj-3.5.1
dev-java/ant-eclipse-ecj-3.5.1
to the package.keywords file (note that this will probably be
different for your system, you should run the command yourself and
use that output to find out what you should put in the file). I would
also put a note above the lines to say why and when they were added,
in case I forget.
Then
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo in the enterprise
Philip Webb purslow at ca.inter.net writes: ... others who are using Linux in high-stakes situations - even a major stock exchange which has based its operation on Gentoo. Gentoo, imho, lacks a singular, mature(stable) technology to really have a major impact on commercial unix systems. (Local)Clustering. A few years ago they were very close. Kernel sources such almost mainstream. Then a meltdown occurred (not of gentoo folks but the clustering geniuses) and progress halted for a while. Now I see this: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/cluster/ In addition to performance, the clustering will have to solved High Availability AND a method to upgrade the nodes one at a time with testing to ensure that the software (regardless of OS or applications or security patch) works on the individual computers. Then that box/processor/card can be logically plugged back into the cluster. So you get the best of both worlds, many workstations and a cluster for single app acceleration. That will impact small and medium size businesses like crazy. This duality of many fast workstations and a cluster from the same group of local machines, is a MicroSoft Killer. Plus folks will be able to do their own super computing type of processing that only the governments and large corps can do now. GAME CHANGER, methinks. Add the relentless advance of ARM processor for low power and fast shutoff/reboot, controlled by other computers and you can put your cluster into deep (low power) hibernation, all thanks to Gentoo. Cloud Computing is for (idiot) home owners, kids and ignorant business types. As soon as they learn the details of what is happening to their data on some body else's cloud, anyone with anything to protect will run from Cloud Computing. Anyone] with any desire for privacy already have discounted Cloud computing. With personal supercomputer, ordinary people and small business can share data and applications (such as their own credit rating on persons and companies or something like modeling their own ideas on climate change or the farce it is). Gentoo devs solve this (clustering issues) and Gentoo will explode on the commercial scene. Everyone I show how to update software on Gentoo, just lets their bottom jaw drop and are speech_less. Gentoo clustering is a MicroSoft killer Gentoo needs a little more stability and when it provides a really stable cluster technology. look out, IMHO. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] No sound after suspend to ram + resume...
On 11/26/2009 2:21 AM, Mick wrote: I guess you may need to moprobe -r driver before you hibernate and see if that works? Yes, but only if not programs are using the module. Now, I have a script which shuts down alsasound, unloads and reloads the module, and then starts alsasound. However, it only works when no programs are trying to use the sound driver. Any programs using the sound driver when I suspend the system tend to crash when resumed, and the fixsound script only works if no such programs are open. Everything else works fine after suspend/resume, even the proprietary nvidia drivers. Thanks!
Re: [gentoo-user] eclipse portage package
On 11/26/2009 12:55 PM, David Relson wrote: Alternatively, one can use the autounmask command, for example: autounmask dev-java/eclipse-ecj-3.5.1 On my AMD64 system, which has /etc/portage/package.keywords (as a directory, rather than a file) autounmask generated file: /etc/portage/package.keywords/autounmask-eclipse-ecj which contains: # --- # BEGIN: dev-java/eclipse-ecj-3.5.1 # --- =dev-java/eclipse-ecj-3.5.1 ~amd64 =dev-java/ant-eclipse-ecj-3.5.1 ~amd64 # --- # END: dev-java/eclipse-ecj-3.5.1 # --- I wish I had known about that command :| Marcus
Re: [gentoo-user] FIXED: Re: KDE3 removal
On Thursday 26 November 2009 19:34:34 James wrote: kde-4.3.1 went smooth, except for I have to manually removed all the kde-3.5 packages. It had kde-meta-3.5.10. Is there some syntax or a better method to insure all the kde-3.5.x packages are removed, without a manual sweep? grep kde /var/lib/portage/world and eyeball the output. There should only be -meta packages, and individual packages for which you have NOT installed the -meta package, in there. vi the world file and remove the stuff that shouldn't be there, then emerge -C all-kde3.5-meta-packages-in-world emerge -a --depclean -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] prune gentoo-sources vs rm gentoo-sources
On Thursday 26 November 2009 19:25:25 Maxim Wexler wrote: Hi group, according to the docs the approved method of removing old gentoo-sources is emerge --prune. But I've already used rm -rf on them. Have I set myself up for a problem later? No. Beware --prune. It removes all but the latest SLOT. That night not be what you want. portage doesn't do anything unusual when unmerging packages that have files missing. It simply notes that they are missing and continues deleting the ones that are there. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] what is overloaded my X server?
I'm running the 2.6.31-gentoo-r6 kernel, xorg-server-1.6.5-r1 and x11-drivers/ati-drivers-9.11 So, this is quite recent. Only killing X itself cures the problem. Of course, I have reemerged x11-base/xorg-server x11-drivers/ati-drivers and I have run revdep-rebuild. Probably I have to somehow compare every lib on the faulty machine to another once which should have identical packages. Another thing you might try it to have X automatically reconfigure itself. I find that my xorg.conf gets somewhat bloated from my manual edits, lack of bad commenting, and trying lots of options. This resulted in my machine loading a lot of modules, and I wasn't really sure which ones i needed and which ones I enabled for what reasons over the last three years since I compiled this machine. Make a copy of xorg.confcopy it to somewhere like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup Then let it autoconfigure: $ X -configure That will make a temporary xorg.conf which you should move to /etc/X11 or ~/ depending on your setup. It could be that one of the modules you're loading into X is the cause. I had done this recently as well trying to solve my X processor problems, and it might be useful. Alternatively, you can just comment out one-by-one any modules or devices you're loading with xorg.conf and see if any of them are responsible. It's more manual work than rebuilding all your libraries, but it beats the hell out of re-emerging your whole system on a guess Regards, daid
Re: [gentoo-user] FIXED: Re: KDE3 removal
On Thursday 26 November 2009 19:20:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 26 November 2009 19:34:34 James wrote: kde-4.3.1 went smooth, except for I have to manually removed all the kde-3.5 packages. It had kde-meta-3.5.10. Is there some syntax or a better method to insure all the kde-3.5.x packages are removed, without a manual sweep? grep kde /var/lib/portage/world and eyeball the output. There should only be -meta packages, and individual packages for which you have NOT installed the -meta package, in there. vi the world file and remove the stuff that shouldn't be there, then That's a good point ... over the years I have accumulated all sorts of packages I am not sure I need (by forgetting to use --oneshot). Should these be in there? kde-base/akregator kde-base/ark kde-base/drkonqi kde-base/kaddressbook kde-base/kappfinder kde-base/kate kde-base/kcalc kde-base/kcharselect kde-base/kcheckpass kde-base/kcminit kde-base/kcontrol kde-base/kcron kde-base/kdeadmin-meta --Yes kde-base/kdeartwork-emoticons kde-base/kdeartwork-iconthemes kde-base/kdeartwork-kscreensaver kde-base/kdeartwork-meta --Yes kde-base/kdeartwork-sounds kde-base/kdeartwork-styles kde-base/kdeartwork-wallpapers kde-base/kdebase-data kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves kde-base/kdebase-meta --Yes kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/kdebugdialog kde-base/kdegraphics-meta --Yes kde-base/kdelibs kde-base/kdemultimedia-kioslaves kde-base/kdemultimedia-meta --Yes kde-base/kdenetwork-filesharing kde-base/kdenetwork-meta --Yes kde-base/kdepasswd kde-base/kdepim-meta --Yes kde-base/kdesu kde-base/kdeutils-meta --Yes kde-base/kdewebdev-meta --Yes kde-base/kdf kde-base/kdialog kde-base/kdm kde-base/kdnssd kde-base/kfilereplace kde-base/kfloppy kde-base/kgamma kde-base/kget kde-base/kghostview kde-base/kgpg kde-base/khelpcenter kde-base/khotkeys kde-base/kicker kde-base/kimagemapeditor kde-base/kjots kde-base/klinkstatus kde-base/klipper kde-base/kmail kde-base/kmenuedit kde-base/kmix kde-base/knetattach kde-base/knetworkconf kde-base/kolourpaint kde-base/kommander kde-base/konqueror kde-base/konsole kde-base/kontact kde-base/kopete kde-base/kppp kde-base/krdc kde-base/kreadconfig kde-base/krfb kde-base/kruler kde-base/kscd kde-base/kscreensaver kde-base/ksmserver kde-base/ksnapshot kde-base/kstart kde-base/ksysguard kde-base/ksystraycmd kde-base/ktimer kde-base/kuser kde-base/kweather kde-base/kwin kde-base/kxsldbg kde-base/libkcddb kde-base/libkdepim kde-base/libkonq kde-base/nsplugins Other than the metas which I have marked with --Yes I'm not sure I need the rest. Shall I blow them away? emerge -C all-kde3.5-meta-packages-in-world emerge -a --depclean -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 : X11 (?) crashing
This reminds me of a problem we had just recently. Have you got a multi-core CPU ? If yes, read on. If you all think it might be multi-core related, check out a recent post that was syndicated to planet.gentoo: http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2009-11.html#e2009-11-19T00_43_58.txt This discusses how using a feature in the 2.6.32 kernel one can kill various cores in a multi-core system. In any case, it's a way to experiment with this theory. ~daid
[gentoo-user] Opera 10.10 says I've got Java?
Version information Version 10.10 Build 4742 Platform Linux System i686, 2.6.30-gentoo-r8 Qt library 4.5.3 Java Java Runtime Environment installed However, for all I know I do not have anything Java installed and about:plugins does not show Java either. Is this worth reporting as bug? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] FIXED: Re: KDE3 removal
That's a good point ... over the years I have accumulated all sorts of packages I am not sure I need (by forgetting to use --oneshot). Should these be in there? kde-base/akregator kde-base/ark kde-base/drkonqi kde-base/kaddressbook kde-base/kappfinder kde-base/kate kde-base/kcalc kde-base/kcharselect kde-base/kcheckpass kde-base/kcminit kde-base/kcontrol kde-base/kcron kde-base/kdeadmin-meta--Yes kde-base/kdeartwork-emoticons kde-base/kdeartwork-iconthemes kde-base/kdeartwork-kscreensaver kde-base/kdeartwork-meta--Yes kde-base/kdeartwork-sounds kde-base/kdeartwork-styles kde-base/kdeartwork-wallpapers kde-base/kdebase-data kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves kde-base/kdebase-meta--Yes kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/kdebugdialog kde-base/kdegraphics-meta--Yes kde-base/kdelibs kde-base/kdemultimedia-kioslaves kde-base/kdemultimedia-meta--Yes kde-base/kdenetwork-filesharing kde-base/kdenetwork-meta--Yes kde-base/kdepasswd kde-base/kdepim-meta--Yes kde-base/kdesu kde-base/kdeutils-meta--Yes kde-base/kdewebdev-meta--Yes kde-base/kdf kde-base/kdialog kde-base/kdm kde-base/kdnssd kde-base/kfilereplace kde-base/kfloppy kde-base/kgamma kde-base/kget kde-base/kghostview kde-base/kgpg kde-base/khelpcenter kde-base/khotkeys kde-base/kicker kde-base/kimagemapeditor kde-base/kjots kde-base/klinkstatus kde-base/klipper kde-base/kmail kde-base/kmenuedit kde-base/kmix kde-base/knetattach kde-base/knetworkconf kde-base/kolourpaint kde-base/kommander kde-base/konqueror kde-base/konsole kde-base/kontact kde-base/kopete kde-base/kppp kde-base/krdc kde-base/kreadconfig kde-base/krfb kde-base/kruler kde-base/kscd kde-base/kscreensaver kde-base/ksmserver kde-base/ksnapshot kde-base/kstart kde-base/ksysguard kde-base/ksystraycmd kde-base/ktimer kde-base/kuser kde-base/kweather kde-base/kwin kde-base/kxsldbg kde-base/libkcddb kde-base/libkdepim kde-base/libkonq kde-base/nsplugins Other than the metas which I have marked with --Yes I'm not sure I need the rest. Shall I blow them away? I have a rather bloated kde install and this is mine: r...@smoker / # grep kde /var/lib/portage/world kde-base/kde-meta kde-base/kde-meta:3.5 kde-misc/youtube-servicemenu r...@smoker / # You can always remove those things, run -p --depclean and add back with the -n option what you want to keep. Dale :-) :-) P. S. Upgraded to Seamonkey 2.0 and I got to adjust a few settings here. :/ It looks good on the screen but the quoting part . . . . sucks.
[gentoo-user] remote distcc
I was wondering if anybody ever tried using distcc not over a LAN, but over the internet. Do you think it's possible / efficient / useful ? Might there be better alternatives?
Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 : X11 (?) crashing
daid kahl schrieb: This reminds me of a problem we had just recently. Have you got a multi-core CPU ? If yes, read on. If you all think it might be multi-core related, check out a recent post that was syndicated to planet.gentoo: http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2009-11.html#e2009-11-19T00_43_58.txt This discusses how using a feature in the 2.6.32 kernel one can kill various cores in a multi-core system. In any case, it's a way to experiment with this theory. Thanks for the link. I rather suspect something else: Just now had a look at the gnome-shell as I read another thread from 2 days ago ... (Mike Higgins on this list ...) mentioning this new gnome-part. I disabled compiz and used gnome-shell. It started fine but I was not able to start thunderbird, it always crashed the session. Starting opera and/or firefox: OK Another thing I did today (before that gnome-shell-test): I remembered that I had added the gnome-overlay back then when I wanted gnome-2.28 but still wasn't using full ~amd64. So I wondered if I might have pulled some packages from there that caused my crashes. I removed the overlay and did a emerge -avuDN world , some pkgs were rebuilt, (yep, revdep-rebuild as well) after that I did a reboot but still the X-session crashed occasionally. Only with gnome-shell it seems to be thunderbird that does something special ... OK, I perfectly know that gnome-shell is beta ... just to add some info to this thread. I will now disable compiz and see what happens. Greets to you, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 : X11 (?) crashing
Stefan G. Weichinger schrieb: I will now disable compiz and see what happens. could have waited for that: first click on thunderbird crashed session, logged in again, next click opend thunderbird fine. hmm
Re: [gentoo-user] FIXED: Re: KDE3 removal
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:59:24 +, Mick wrote: That's a good point ... over the years I have accumulated all sorts of packages I am not sure I need (by forgetting to use --oneshot). Should these be in there? Do you use them, or does something else you use use them? In the former case, they should be there, otherwise not. Generally, anything starting with lib should not be in world. -- Neil Bothwick Keyboard: (n.) a device used by programmers to write software for a mouse or joystick and by operators for playing games such as 'word processing.' signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] FIXED: Re: KDE3 removal
On Thursday 26 November 2009 22:59:24 Mick wrote: On Thursday 26 November 2009 19:20:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 26 November 2009 19:34:34 James wrote: kde-4.3.1 went smooth, except for I have to manually removed all the kde-3.5 packages. It had kde-meta-3.5.10. Is there some syntax or a better method to insure all the kde-3.5.x packages are removed, without a manual sweep? grep kde /var/lib/portage/world and eyeball the output. There should only be -meta packages, and individual packages for which you have NOT installed the -meta package, in there. vi the world file and remove the stuff that shouldn't be there, then That's a good point ... over the years I have accumulated all sorts of packages I am not sure I need (by forgetting to use --oneshot). Should these be in there? kde-base/akregator kde-base/ark kde-base/drkonqi kde-base/kaddressbook kde-base/kappfinder kde-base/kate kde-base/kcalc kde-base/kcharselect kde-base/kcheckpass kde-base/kcminit kde-base/kcontrol kde-base/kcron kde-base/kdeadmin-meta --Yes kde-base/kdeartwork-emoticons kde-base/kdeartwork-iconthemes kde-base/kdeartwork-kscreensaver kde-base/kdeartwork-meta --Yes kde-base/kdeartwork-sounds kde-base/kdeartwork-styles kde-base/kdeartwork-wallpapers kde-base/kdebase-data kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves kde-base/kdebase-meta --Yes kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/kdebugdialog kde-base/kdegraphics-meta --Yes kde-base/kdelibs kde-base/kdemultimedia-kioslaves kde-base/kdemultimedia-meta --Yes kde-base/kdenetwork-filesharing kde-base/kdenetwork-meta --Yes kde-base/kdepasswd kde-base/kdepim-meta --Yes kde-base/kdesu kde-base/kdeutils-meta --Yes kde-base/kdewebdev-meta --Yes kde-base/kdf kde-base/kdialog kde-base/kdm kde-base/kdnssd kde-base/kfilereplace kde-base/kfloppy kde-base/kgamma kde-base/kget kde-base/kghostview kde-base/kgpg kde-base/khelpcenter kde-base/khotkeys kde-base/kicker kde-base/kimagemapeditor kde-base/kjots kde-base/klinkstatus kde-base/klipper kde-base/kmail kde-base/kmenuedit kde-base/kmix kde-base/knetattach kde-base/knetworkconf kde-base/kolourpaint kde-base/kommander kde-base/konqueror kde-base/konsole kde-base/kontact kde-base/kopete kde-base/kppp kde-base/krdc kde-base/kreadconfig kde-base/krfb kde-base/kruler kde-base/kscd kde-base/kscreensaver kde-base/ksmserver kde-base/ksnapshot kde-base/kstart kde-base/ksysguard kde-base/ksystraycmd kde-base/ktimer kde-base/kuser kde-base/kweather kde-base/kwin kde-base/kxsldbg kde-base/libkcddb kde-base/libkdepim kde-base/libkonq kde-base/nsplugins Other than the metas which I have marked with --Yes I'm not sure I need the rest. Shall I blow them away? Hmmm. You need to do it the long way round: 1. Remove them from the world file 2. emerge -p --depclean 3. Eyeball the output paying attention to KDE4 apps that portage thinks it must remove. Decide if you want to keep them. If so, put them in world or emerge the larger -meta package they are part of 4. emerge -a --depclean and enter y only when you are finally happy with the list. Again, pay attention to version numbers. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: FIXED: Re: KDE3 removal
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: grep kde /var/lib/portage/world only kde-meta in there emerge -a --depclean yep, just making sure as I thought there might be a very special syntax to remove all kde 3.5.* I used revdep-rebuild and emerge -uDNvp world to get the list of 3.5 packages, and then just deleted them one by one. Somehow there shlould be a cleaner way, as emerge -C kde-meta (when only kde-meta-3.5 was installed) did not work on all packages. Even when I manually remove the sub-meta groups of kde-3.5 I still had packages in the groups like games, I hand to manually remove. What a pain thx, james
Re: [gentoo-user] Opera 10.10 says I've got Java?
Mick skrev: Version information Version 10.10 Build 4742 Platform Linux System i686, 2.6.30-gentoo-r8 Qt library 4.5.3 Java Java Runtime Environment installed However, for all I know I do not have anything Java installed and about:plugins does not show Java either. Is this worth reporting as bug? Opera does not run java as a plugin, you point opera directly at the jre. Find the setting grouped somewhere under web contents.
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving root filesystem to a new partition
I bind mounted / then copied /dev to the new partition. This was advice given earlier, the first time it happened to me: I finally found an earlier replay to a similar request from me. All is now well. Thank you for the advice. Alan On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Francisco Ares wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com mailto: rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan E. Davis wrote: Can someone tell me what steps are necessary to move the / filesystem to a new partition? I recall someone helping me with this before, but cannot find the email. The oldest of three drives on my system had my / partition, /dev/sdc1. One day recently, that partition became inaccessable. After quickly installing Ubuntu on a different drive, that root partition eventually showed up again. So I've been able to boot Gentoo again off the separate /boot partition on /dev/sda1. I need to move that / partition. I have several other partitions mounted off this one, mainly as /usr and maybe /usr/local/, and some storage partitions mounted to my home directory. I copied the root (/) partition with the new partition at /dev/sdb5 mounted as /newroot, using # cp -ax / /newroot I checked that /proc, /dev, and /sys are there, and empty. I recall there are some other steps necessary. I changed /etc/fstab, and the grub2 grub.cfg from ubuntu, the entry for this kernel. The boot stalls at a certain point. May I ask what steps are necessary to do this? Thank you, Alan Davis I have done this in the past. I usually boot the CD, make mount points for old and new, then mount the old and new that I want to copy. Then I do a cp -av /path/to/old /path/to/new/ and let it copy. This can take quite a bit of time tho. It seems those little bitty files take the longest. Maybe omitting the -v option would help on that? Once you get it copied over, edit your fstab file as needed on the new side and install the bootloader as well. After that, it usually just works. Dale :-) :-) P. S. Sorry for not including some fancy tarball stuff. ;-) Well, as far as I know one would like to edit the bootloader configuration as well, so as to reflect the new root directory. Or has anyone written this before and I didn't notice? ;-) Francisco -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw If it needs to be then sure. I usually move things file wise with cp then move things physically in the case as well. My OS is always on hda. The grub config is on hda1 and grub bootloader is on the MBR of hda as well. So, I don't have to edit grub on mine. I do boot once by using the edit feature of grub, just to make sure before I move things physically. You do have to plan these things tho. Wouldn't hurt to write down on paper where everything is and don't erase anything until you are sure your ducks are in a row. Maybe even write notes on the drive with a post it note. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] No sound after suspend to ram + resume...
On 11/26/2009 5:02 AM, daid kahl wrote: After suspending to ram (using hibernate-ram) and resuming, sound no longer works. I checked out dmesg, and it says that (among other things): Check the various hybernation/acpi config files. There should be the option somewhere in there to stop alsasound when it hybernates and start it again on resume. My wisdom agrees with this. 90% of problems I've had getting hibernate-ram to function correctly is all in the /etc/hibernate/common.conf file. Please check these options very well. For different kernel builds or X configurations, the best settings can easily change. If you recently updated the kernel, then please reboot once again, as the alsa configurations can change slightly, and it will try to auto-convert old alsa settings. Also please run alsaconf as well to make sure the settings are correct. Thanks, as I said, the problem I have now is that programs that play sound (mplayer, Firefox sometimes) don't survive suspend-resume. Actually, they survive, it's just that FF tends to lock up when watching youtube-style videos. Sound is broken during suspend-resume, and can only be fixed by closing all programs using the sound drivers, then unloading and reloading the sound driver module. Unfortunately, the panel volume changer applet (for LXDE, I'm using hardware from 2000, remember...) is one of those programs (it took me a solid 3 hours to figure that one out), so I no longer run that applet. I am happy with my current suspend-resume setup, and can say that gentoo is the only distro that successfully suspend/hibernates when using the proprietary nvidia drivers, and the only one that runs with little enough latency for me* (preemptable kernel ftw!). Thanks guys. Marcus *The box says Designed for Windows Me on the side...it ran XP until I got ahold of it *evil smile*
Re: [gentoo-user] configuring wlan0
On 20/11/09 Mick said: Does your router know this? I'm not being funny, but I had run into a problem sometime in the past where a change in the dhcpcd version caused the router to not read the NIC MAC address correctly. That created a clash with the IP address lease. If I configure it statically then it dhcpcd shouldn't run at all. It works fine when I configure it by hand. OK, have you looked in your logs/dmesg? I think that the ndiswrapper has to load first and probe your NIC, before /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 launches. It may pay to keep an eye on the router logs while your machine boots. My line above with sleep_scan_wlan0=1 or say 3 seconds delay may help, if this is the problem. I'll play with it a bit. If you have not installed wpa_supplicant you don't need this. Just make sure #modules=( wpa_supplicant ) is commented out. iwconfig is the default anyway. ifconfig or iproute2 will work so I don't think that you need to define that either. Your entries: essid_wlan0=digitaltorque config_wlan0=( 192.168.0.5/24 ) routes_wlan0=( default via 192.168.0.1 ) are correct - so the error is not because of these. Or maybe I should just run an rc.local script. You could use the preup scripts in /etc/conf.d/net, if for some reason the ndiswrapper takes for ever to kick into action. Hmm. I did put ndiswrapper in my /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6, so it should be loaded at boot, but maybe it takes too long, causing a race condition at boot. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] configuring wlan0
On 23/11/09 Mick said: I just noticed that the latest dhcpcd-4.0.15 is playing up when it comes up. It seems that on 3 out of 5 it will time out when my machine boots up. It works fine if I bring it up manually thereafter, or run /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart. The previous version worked without timing out. This may be related to how dhcpcd interacts with my router - or it could also be related to your problem? I haven't had time to troublshoot it yet. I'd be surprised, as it shouldn't be run at all. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] remote distcc
Yes, via an openvpn WAN link. It worked but the benefits seemed minimal due to the odd mix of fast/slow hosts I was using (tip: remove any slow/high latency hosts as it will slow the whole lot down). However, I might try again sometime using pump mode which wasn't available at the time. distcc is designed for a local network - so security is a real issue. There are some security related settings in the config file, but I would still be wary of using it naked and not via an encrypted link. Billk On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 15:32 -0600, Kirill Lipatov wrote: I was wondering if anybody ever tried using distcc not over a LAN, but over the internet. Do you think it's possible / efficient / useful ? Might there be better alternatives?
[gentoo-user] OO thesaurus
How does the thesaurus work for gentoo's version of (compiled) openoffice? I use en_AU and have no thesaurus, and from what I can find out oo3.1 works differently from older versions. Ever since gentoo decided to overide the OO supplied dictionaries its been very flaky. Properly tee'd off, BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] OO thesaurus
got the same thing with english spell-checking. Can't get it to work 2009/11/26 Bill Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au How does the thesaurus work for gentoo's version of (compiled) openoffice? I use en_AU and have no thesaurus, and from what I can find out oo3.1 works differently from older versions. Ever since gentoo decided to overide the OO supplied dictionaries its been very flaky. Properly tee'd off, BillK -- Kirill Lipatov klipa...@ku.edu
Re: [gentoo-user] Opera 10.10 says I've got Java?
On Thursday 26 November 2009 23:25:56 Håkon Alstadheim wrote: Mick skrev: Version information Version 10.10 Build 4742 Platform Linux System i686, 2.6.30-gentoo-r8 Qt library 4.5.3 Java Java Runtime Environment installed However, for all I know I do not have anything Java installed and about:plugins does not show Java either. Is this worth reporting as bug? Opera does not run java as a plugin, you point opera directly at the jre. Find the setting grouped somewhere under web contents. Thanks, Java is shown as disabled under Preferences/Contents. Either way this is what I expected since I do not have Java on my machine. The oddity is that the about page reports JRE as installed. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
