Re: PESO Working and Practicing
Nice image, especially at F/1.8. Cute subject! Jack - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 4:20:26 PM Subject: PESO Working and Practicing Grace in my office. Shot with the K3 and the K 85/1.8 wide open. . F1.8,1/50th, ISO 1250 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17967485size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
On Feb 15, 2015, at 5:00 am, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I actually own an 8-bit paper tape reader, 110 baud, chunky mechanical thing with a big motor. The last time I used it to read tapes I cobbled together a 20mA current loop to RS-232 converter and transferred a bunch of data to floppies. If I wanted to use it today I'd like to have a 20mA current loop to Bluetooth interface but I don't imagine they are too plentiful. You could probably cobble something together with an Arduino kit without too much trouble... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
Welcome back. Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On February 14, 2015 10:59:56 PM mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: For plain text mode. Am I back in the world of the living again? I probably won't see my own post so a reply (even the usual abusive ones) would be appreciated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Saucy Walker Soiree
They look pristine Paul. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: PESO Saucy Walker Soiree My wife Marlene and her sister got Saucy Walker dolls for Christmas about 60 years ago. Both dolls spent most of the last half century on the shelf and survived pretty much intact. Now they live at our house and spend the days chit-chatting and sipping tea. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17967229size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Boo
Sorry for your loss Dave. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com Subject: PESO Boo I have not been to active with my cameras lately, but i wanted to share a photo from a few years ago of our middle cat Boo. Unfortunately her kidneys failed this week and Erin and I had the sad duty of sending her to the rainbow bridge. I did a tribute for her on FB. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15069472 Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Steve Cottrell wrote: Malcolm, in my sophomore year at (American) high school, I did a semester course called 'Predictive Literature'. It was basically reading and writing science fiction, and counted towards to overall English grades required. 6 months of sci-fi! This was 1975/6. We repatriated in 76 and I was landed into O levels and The Grapes of bleedin Wrath.. :-( For our sins, my year got a collection of short stories by D H Lawrence. In fairness, I quite enjoyed them and I read them again about a decade ago with such joys as 'The Rocking-Horse Winner' and 'The Man Who Loved Islands'. However, at the age of 15/16, I would have much preferred your options! Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO.
Never did get rid of any of mine - didn't see a reason to. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO. On 2/14/2015 9:21 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Everyone is (understandably) excited and focused about the Pentax full frame offering and many may be saving their shekels for the body. But I would suggest that this is Prime Time to be focusing upon filling any holes in your lens inventory. You might be a little late to the party. I've been doing that for several years now. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO.
Mark Roberts wrote: Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Darren Addypixelsmi...@gmail.com: Everyone is (understandably) excited and focused about the Pentax full frame offering Not everyone, Darren. At best I find it mildly interesting but the hyper-activity on the Pentax Forum at DP Review is wonderfully entertaining... I'm in both camps: I'm excited about the upcoming full-frame camera but also very much entertained by the fuss on DPReview and PentaxForums. A lot of the speculation and measurbating (minute analysis of the photos of the mock-up) is unintentionally hysterically funny. I'm with Mark on that, particularly since I don't assume that the mock up will have any serious connection to the final form of the real camera. I think that it could be fun to buy vintage glass, but there aren't really too many old school lenses that I really *need*, in that they wouldn't really provide any functionality that I don't already have access to. What I'd really like are some copies of lenses that I already have, but with weather sealing, quick shift focus and modern coatings. It turns out that the two lenses that would do the most for me functionally are both Sigma, the 18-35/1.8 and their 35/1.4. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
what was good about film either negatives or slides was the only hardware you needed to open it was your eyes. On 2/14/2015 3:13 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS- DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. I have tried to back up any files I've had stored on - for want of a better description - dead media formats, to the latest method of storage. At one point I had loads of 5.25 floppy discs and thousands of 3.5 discs. I still have some of those from Kodak, where there was an option of providing a disc with your processed film. I have no way of opening those discs now, yet because I have the film, it's not important. I wonder how many images will get tossed into the bin, as over the years so many people will come across old storage media that they have no way of opening, and memories or records of the past will disappear forever? There is a certain irony to the fact in this time of continual technological advancement, that files/images stored twenty years ago on the hot media of the time is unreadable to most, yet you can use negatives that were taken many decades ago and recreate (and in many cases improve) the original with equipment bought in 2015. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Father Son
A photo I have forgotten to process and post from an earlier Summer. I guess it may stir memories for some of you... Blog (no text) : https://celasun.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/father-son/ Bigger (P.Net) : http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17966772 Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Father Son
Like this shot very much, Bulent. Lighting and mood, excellent! Jack - Original Message - From: Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 3:30:25 AM Subject: PESO - Father Son A photo I have forgotten to process and post from an earlier Summer. I guess it may stir memories for some of you... Blog (no text) : https://celasun.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/father-son/ Bigger (P.Net) : http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17966772 Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
You mean those Kodak PictureDisc things? I have a few of those, and found that ImageMagick can convert them to 16-bit TIFFs. In batches. :-) Jostein Den 14. februar 2015 09:13:15 CET, skrev Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com: Bruce Walker wrote: But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS- DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. I have tried to back up any files I've had stored on - for want of a better description - dead media formats, to the latest method of storage. At one point I had loads of 5.25 floppy discs and thousands of 3.5 discs. I still have some of those from Kodak, where there was an option of providing a disc with your processed film. I have no way of opening those discs now, yet because I have the film, it's not important. I wonder how many images will get tossed into the bin, as over the years so many people will come across old storage media that they have no way of opening, and memories or records of the past will disappear forever? There is a certain irony to the fact in this time of continual technological advancement, that files/images stored twenty years ago on the hot media of the time is unreadable to most, yet you can use negatives that were taken many decades ago and recreate (and in many cases improve) the original with equipment bought in 2015. Malcolm -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 video instruction manual...
I'd be interested in hearing a bigger name in the fashion industry that has an affinity for Pentax, if you've got one. https://www.google.com/search?q=benjamin+kanarek+photographer On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:06 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Benjamin's not so big a name that Ricoh should care if he's back or not, I bet most of us wouldn't even know who he is if he hadn't been a paid promoter of Pentax, then again there's the K-01, and the out house designer responsible, so maybe they do care, but who else does really? On 2/13/2015 5:47 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Interesting how nobody replied to this, which I wrote on Jan. 20th, regarding Benjamin Kanarek's sudden reappearance on dpreview Pentax Forum and PentaxForums.com. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation? Less than three weeks later Pentax confirms development of the full frame. I suspect that features are nailed down more than one might think and that the artist's rendition in the other thread is a working prototype (albeit with a 3d printed body) that is already in the hands of some pros who have signed NDAs like Kanarek. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... just about! This goes way beyond your usual review and (if you aren't the kind to want to read the manual that came with your K-3) this guy highlights a lot of the K-3s capabilities (many of which you may not have realized even existed). 37 minutes, but definitely worth watching if you own a K-3 or if you want a very lucid description of its capabilities to push you over the edge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88R8jfhfPe0 Interestingly, the link to this video was shared on the Pentax SLR forum on dpreview.com by Benjamin Kanarek. You may remember him as the former Pentax shooter who very publicly left Pentax for a Nikon D800 for his professional work. His YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/benjaminkanarek/videos At the time he said that he would still use Pentax for travel and leisure purposes. I find it interesting that he posted the K-3 video because it is his first Pentax post there for a very long time. And I wondered what precipitated that. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Darren Addy wrote: Badly written can still be enjoyed if it has clever concepts and the book was full of clever concepts. I would call it mostly amusing rather than funny. In any event, oneshould probably know them just if one is going to be literate in the cultural references, unless you enjoy things regularly whizzing over your head. Reading the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy also represents a rite of passage for us white nerdy types. That said, it isn't a work that I, personally, plan on rereading. For my English Literature 'O' Levels (or whatever the exams are called this week for those of around 16 years of age), I got a book of short stories. A few years later, my friend's brother, a few years younger than us, got the Hitchhiker's Guide. I don't think anyone in his class got anything lower than a 'B' grade, and most of them, before they knew that would be the book for the syllabus, could quote whole chunks of the book from memory. Lucky b*ds. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO.
Everyone is (understandably) excited and focused about the Pentax full frame offering and many may be saving their shekels for the body. But I would suggest that this is Prime Time to be focusing upon filling any holes in your lens inventory. It is a market of supply and demand, and we have enjoyed a period when a steady trickle of Pentax users would abandon the brand for a full frame (or a mirrorless) and so there has been a decent buyer's market for a while. I've picked up a Bigma, a Pentax DA 16-45mm, and a Sigma 31mm f1.4 from just such sellers. But I think that trend is going to be reversing, if the Pentax FF performance meets expectations. Right NOW, the Northern Hemisphere is in the doldrums and the U.S. dollar is strong, so the U.S. buyer has probably the best economic conditions to purchase Pentax lenses in a long while (particularly from Canada). I expect Good Glass prices to be on an upward trend between now and the release of the Pentax FF: Particularly the FA Limiteds. I doubt that prices will ever be lower on the other good Pentax-F and Pentax-FA lenses. Some of the Pentax-A lenses will also be drawn upwards as demand for the AF lenses goes upward. What this means is that, if you want to rationalize some lens purchases, anything you buy now will probably be worth more (not less) in the not-to-distant future. And if you wait, it will cost more. All signs point to BUY in the Pentax lens market right now. There are some good lenses that are bringing a good deal less than the were last summer right now, and I expect we will see that trend reversing very soon. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Elephant Proof Fence
Made me feel myself caged! What is F7 dump? Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2015-02-14 16:18 GMT+02:00 Alan C c...@lantic.net: Part of a new Elephant Proof Fence erected along a mine road south of Phalaborwa. Steel buttresses every 30 metres or so with 5 steel cables 16 strands of barbed wire. We used to be able to view game in the mine area from here but, sadly, no more. Many animals, especially elephants buffalos, have been moving onto mine property right up to the offices in search of food water. Management has decided they don't need to take those sort of risks. The viewpoints on the F7 dump behind are popular with visitors. https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16341045899/ Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Need your opinion - Square in Dresden from seafood perspective
Rick, in case there's any confusion, Igor is the photographer of Square in Dresden from seafood perspective. I was just supporting his right to take it. :) On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Bruce, From the person who recently posted Fishy Nanotech: I like it. I like the way the swirl of tram tracks and paving stones draw the eye to the building, and I like what the fisheye does to show the context of the subject.' I also think it could benefit from more post-processing, to bring out the building more, and get more color and detail in the sky. I might trim a few rows of paving stones off the foreground, too. Compositionally, I think I would might aimed the camera higher, to include more sky and fewer paving stones, and to decrease the distortion of the church towers. But generally, I like it. Cheers, Rick (whose wife asks herself =why= she got him a fisheye lens...) http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Epson V600 film scanner
Darren Addy wrote: Glad to hear it, Malcolm. I had a feeling you might be pleased. Thanks Darren. As much as anything now, I'm going to enjoy to be able to send pictures to distant family, to learn more about certain pictures and get the stories behind them. My own slides cover decades now, and that will be great going back over them - and to share them with those that remember the day/event/whatever. I'm not just doing this for myself, I want family and friends to have memories of times past, that they can pass on to their children etc (plus I've had numerous requests). Another form of back up ;-) Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO.
Shall I send you a list? Alan C -Original Message- From: Darren Addy Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 4:21 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO. Everyone is (understandably) excited and focused about the Pentax full frame offering and many may be saving their shekels for the body. But I would suggest that this is Prime Time to be focusing upon filling any holes in your lens inventory. It is a market of supply and demand, and we have enjoyed a period when a steady trickle of Pentax users would abandon the brand for a full frame (or a mirrorless) and so there has been a decent buyer's market for a while. I've picked up a Bigma, a Pentax DA 16-45mm, and a Sigma 31mm f1.4 from just such sellers. But I think that trend is going to be reversing, if the Pentax FF performance meets expectations. Right NOW, the Northern Hemisphere is in the doldrums and the U.S. dollar is strong, so the U.S. buyer has probably the best economic conditions to purchase Pentax lenses in a long while (particularly from Canada). I expect Good Glass prices to be on an upward trend between now and the release of the Pentax FF: Particularly the FA Limiteds. I doubt that prices will ever be lower on the other good Pentax-F and Pentax-FA lenses. Some of the Pentax-A lenses will also be drawn upwards as demand for the AF lenses goes upward. What this means is that, if you want to rationalize some lens purchases, anything you buy now will probably be worth more (not less) in the not-to-distant future. And if you wait, it will cost more. All signs point to BUY in the Pentax lens market right now. There are some good lenses that are bringing a good deal less than the were last summer right now, and I expect we will see that trend reversing very soon. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
The obsolescence of either is enough to render your data unrecoverable. Physical media seems to die out sooner than file formats do simply because it's generally not too hard to keep a file format reader around in software. As you found with ImageMagick. Thank goodness for that at least. I actually own an 8-bit paper tape reader, 110 baud, chunky mechanical thing with a big motor. The last time I used it to read tapes I cobbled together a 20mA current loop to RS-232 converter and transferred a bunch of data to floppies. If I wanted to use it today I'd like to have a 20mA current loop to Bluetooth interface but I don't imagine they are too plentiful. BTW, the last time I used that reader, I also had to write a DEC PDP-8e emulator to run the code on them. Some of the tapes are in RIM format and some in BIN, all with code from the late 1960s and early 1970s. 'Twas a gas to see the old FOCAL prompt again. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no wrote: I think you should differentiate between media obsolence and file format obsolence. Jostein Den 13. februar 2015 20:34:02 CET, skrev P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Recent motherboards don't even have floppy controllers built onto them and no one makes a PCI anything floppy controller add in board, so 5 1/4 floppys are dead unless you happen to have an older machine, (I have one for running my film scanner), you can still buy 3 1/2 inch USB floppy drives, but they're not 100 percent compatible with anything. In fact I think it would be easier to find something to read the paper tape than an 8 floppy. On 2/13/2015 2:25 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I saw a bit of a convo between two Facebook connections with this with one disbelieving that this could be a problem. Someone, somewhere can read your old file formats, he stated confidently. I'm tempted to show him some 1 paper tape and ask him if he knows anyone who can still read that. But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS-DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. My late 2014 iMac came with no CD/DVD reader/burner in it. I had to buy a USB one. The digital vellum idea is kinda like VMware, so I get it and it makes sense. But printing photos works for me too since I like to see them on my walls anyway. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Team: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Epson V600 film scanner
I asked a few weeks ago about scanning film, negatives and transparencies, and the Epson came up as a suggestion. It arrived this morning, and I've taken some scans of some small and fairly poor condition BW prints, which I hoped could be rescued and much larger pictures printed off. I can only say how impressed I am with what I have so far saved as a TIFF file, and I think after a little work in PS Elements, I'm going to be able to get useful 12 x 8 prints. Now to start on several thousand slides Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO.
Please do! On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Shall I send you a list? Alan C -Original Message- From: Darren Addy Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 4:21 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO. Everyone is (understandably) excited and focused about the Pentax full frame offering and many may be saving their shekels for the body. But I would suggest that this is Prime Time to be focusing upon filling any holes in your lens inventory. It is a market of supply and demand, and we have enjoyed a period when a steady trickle of Pentax users would abandon the brand for a full frame (or a mirrorless) and so there has been a decent buyer's market for a while. I've picked up a Bigma, a Pentax DA 16-45mm, and a Sigma 31mm f1.4 from just such sellers. But I think that trend is going to be reversing, if the Pentax FF performance meets expectations. Right NOW, the Northern Hemisphere is in the doldrums and the U.S. dollar is strong, so the U.S. buyer has probably the best economic conditions to purchase Pentax lenses in a long while (particularly from Canada). I expect Good Glass prices to be on an upward trend between now and the release of the Pentax FF: Particularly the FA Limiteds. I doubt that prices will ever be lower on the other good Pentax-F and Pentax-FA lenses. Some of the Pentax-A lenses will also be drawn upwards as demand for the AF lenses goes upward. What this means is that, if you want to rationalize some lens purchases, anything you buy now will probably be worth more (not less) in the not-to-distant future. And if you wait, it will cost more. All signs point to BUY in the Pentax lens market right now. There are some good lenses that are bringing a good deal less than the were last summer right now, and I expect we will see that trend reversing very soon. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
The obsolescence of either is enough to render your data unrecoverable. Physical media seems to die out sooner than file formats do simply because it's generally not too hard to keep a file format reader around in software. As you found with ImageMagick. Thank goodness for that at least. I actually own an 8-bit paper tape reader, 110 baud, chunky mechanical thing with a big motor. The last time I used it to read tapes I cobbled together a 20mA current loop to RS-232 converter and transferred a bunch of data to floppies. If I wanted to use it today I'd like to have a 20mA current loop to Bluetooth interface but I don't imagine they are too plentiful. BTW, the last time I used that reader, I also had to write a DEC PDP-8e emulator to run the code on them. Some of the tapes are in RIM format and some in BIN, all with code from the late 1960s and early 1970s. 'Twas a gas to see the old FOCAL prompt again. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no wrote: I think you should differentiate between media obsolence and file format obsolence. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Elephant Proof Fence
Part of a new Elephant Proof Fence erected along a mine road south of Phalaborwa. Steel buttresses every 30 metres or so with 5 steel cables 16 strands of barbed wire. We used to be able to view game in the mine area from here but, sadly, no more. Many animals, especially elephants buffalos, have been moving onto mine property right up to the offices in search of food water. Management has decided they don't need to take those sort of risks. The viewpoints on the F7 dump behind are popular with visitors. https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16341045899/ Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Father Son
A nice scene, very well captured. -Original Message- From: Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com Subject: PESO - Father Son A photo I have forgotten to process and post from an earlier Summer. I guess it may stir memories for some of you... Blog (no text) : https://celasun.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/father-son/ Bigger (P.Net) : http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17966772 Bulent -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
J C OConnell wrote: what was good about film either negatives or slides was the only hardware you needed to open it was your eyes. True! Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Badly written can still be enjoyed if it has clever concepts and the book was full of clever concepts. I would call it mostly amusing rather than funny. In any event, oneshould probably know them just if one is going to be literate in the cultural references, unless you enjoy things regularly whizzing over your head. Reading the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy also represents a rite of passage for us white nerdy types. That said, it isn't a work that I, personally, plan on rereading. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
Jostein Øksne wrote: You mean those Kodak PictureDisc things? I have a few of those, and found that ImageMagick can convert them to 16-bit TIFFs. In batches. :- ) Jostein I've not looked them out for years, but I'm certain that's what they were called. I think they later offered a CD, rather than 3.5 floppy disc, but I used so little colour film I can't be sure. I'm glad to hear they are still good to go for you. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Elephant Proof Fence (Jack Bulent)
Probably not. I'll keep a look out for breaches! The road is built up. We used to be able to stand on those rocks beyond the fence look down about 10m. The most interesting thing I saw there was a melanistic giraffe which effectively has its colours reversed. That large dump is known as the F7 dump because waste material from the F7 mining area was dumped there in former years. It contains about 5%P2O5 (phosphate) which is too low for profitable commercial exploitation (upgraded to 37% by crushing, milling flotation then converted chemically into phoshoric acid superphoshates). The cut off is 7%P2O5. Alan C -Original Message- From: Jack Davis Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 5:00 PM To: PDML Subject: Re: PESO: Elephant Proof Fence Still doesn't look as though it would stop a raging bull. Also, doesn't detract from the view as much I gathered from your comments. Jack - Original Message - From: Alan C c...@lantic.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 6:18:26 AM Subject: PESO: Elephant Proof Fence Part of a new Elephant Proof Fence erected along a mine road south of Phalaborwa. Steel buttresses every 30 metres or so with 5 steel cables 16 strands of barbed wire. We used to be able to view game in the mine area from here but, sadly, no more. Many animals, especially elephants buffalos, have been moving onto mine property right up to the offices in search of food water. Management has decided they don't need to take those sort of risks. The viewpoints on the F7 dump behind are popular with visitors. https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16341045899/ Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Epson V600 film scanner
Glad to hear it, Malcolm. I had a feeling you might be pleased. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: I asked a few weeks ago about scanning film, negatives and transparencies, and the Epson came up as a suggestion. It arrived this morning, and I've taken some scans of some small and fairly poor condition BW prints, which I hoped could be rescued and much larger pictures printed off. I can only say how impressed I am with what I have so far saved as a TIFF file, and I think after a little work in PS Elements, I'm going to be able to get useful 12 x 8 prints. Now to start on several thousand slides Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On 14/02/2015 3:03 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: I'm about to be heretical. I read the HGTTG when it was fairly recently published, and was deeply underwhelmed. I think it's badly written and unfunny. The basic idea is a good one, badly executed, and I've never understood the Douglas Adams worship. B Thank god. I thought I was the only one. How do you feel about modern Jazz? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Elephant Proof Fence
Still doesn't look as though it would stop a raging bull. Also, doesn't detract from the view as much I gathered from your comments. Jack - Original Message - From: Alan C c...@lantic.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 6:18:26 AM Subject: PESO: Elephant Proof Fence Part of a new Elephant Proof Fence erected along a mine road south of Phalaborwa. Steel buttresses every 30 metres or so with 5 steel cables 16 strands of barbed wire. We used to be able to view game in the mine area from here but, sadly, no more. Many animals, especially elephants buffalos, have been moving onto mine property right up to the offices in search of food water. Management has decided they don't need to take those sort of risks. The viewpoints on the F7 dump behind are popular with visitors. https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16341045899/ Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO Boo
I have not been to active with my cameras lately, but i wanted to share a photo from a few years ago of our middle cat Boo. Unfortunately her kidneys failed this week and Erin and I had the sad duty of sending her to the rainbow bridge. I did a tribute for her on FB. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15069472 Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Some items that might interest you
Hi! I've the following items that I'd like to part with: * Pentax FA 43/1.9 Limited * Voigtlander Super Wide Heliar II 15/4.5 * Voigtlander Nokton 40/1.4 The two Voigtlander lenses are of course for Leica M-mount and they have issues. I don't want to get into yet another adventure with fixing the Nokton, although I believe it can be fixed rather easily by someone living in USA, while Heliar is quite fine if used on a cropped camera. However, I'd like to replace all three with Carl Zeiss lens, probably Biogon 35/2.0. Also, I am selling the FA 43 so that someone would put it to use - it does not see much use these days. However, if you plan to trade it for profit, I would appreciate if you did not contact me. I want to sell this lens to someone who would actually take pictures with it. For details and everything else - please contact me off the list. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Saucy Walker Soiree
Cute, Paul. Perfect conversational placement of the dolls. :) Jack - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:59:50 AM Subject: PESO Saucy Walker Soiree My wife Marlene and her sister got Saucy Walker dolls for Christmas about 60 years ago. Both dolls spent most of the last half century on the shelf and survived pretty much intact. Now they live at our house and spend the days chit-chatting and sipping tea. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17967229size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Nanotech Study
My favorite of your three photos of this building.. color,geometry,exposure,etc... Is this a new building, Rick? (new-nano sounds like something Mork would say) ann On 2/13/2015 21:27, Rick Womer wrote: Or, nano-student in the tera-building. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17964475size=lg (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments appreciated! Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 video instruction manual...
I don't have a bigger name, but no one is that big anymore. On 2/14/2015 10:09 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I'd be interested in hearing a bigger name in the fashion industry that has an affinity for Pentax, if you've got one. https://www.google.com/search?q=benjamin+kanarek+photographer On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:06 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Benjamin's not so big a name that Ricoh should care if he's back or not, I bet most of us wouldn't even know who he is if he hadn't been a paid promoter of Pentax, then again there's the K-01, and the out house designer responsible, so maybe they do care, but who else does really? On 2/13/2015 5:47 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Interesting how nobody replied to this, which I wrote on Jan. 20th, regarding Benjamin Kanarek's sudden reappearance on dpreview Pentax Forum and PentaxForums.com. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation? Less than three weeks later Pentax confirms development of the full frame. I suspect that features are nailed down more than one might think and that the artist's rendition in the other thread is a working prototype (albeit with a 3d printed body) that is already in the hands of some pros who have signed NDAs like Kanarek. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... just about! This goes way beyond your usual review and (if you aren't the kind to want to read the manual that came with your K-3) this guy highlights a lot of the K-3s capabilities (many of which you may not have realized even existed). 37 minutes, but definitely worth watching if you own a K-3 or if you want a very lucid description of its capabilities to push you over the edge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88R8jfhfPe0 Interestingly, the link to this video was shared on the Pentax SLR forum on dpreview.com by Benjamin Kanarek. You may remember him as the former Pentax shooter who very publicly left Pentax for a Nikon D800 for his professional work. His YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/benjaminkanarek/videos At the time he said that he would still use Pentax for travel and leisure purposes. I find it interesting that he posted the K-3 video because it is his first Pentax post there for a very long time. And I wondered what precipitated that. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 video instruction manual...
Thus one must work with what one has. Benjamin Kanarek Blog has been ranked in the Top 10 of Fashion News Sources (for 2010) by http://www.mattters.com/ http://www.benjaminkanarekblog.com/ I don't really do Facebook but he has a not insignificant presence there: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Benjamin-Kanarek-Blog/191339037872 He has nearly 1000 followers on Twitter: https://twitter.com/benjaminkanarek He shoots for Elle magazine and Vogue, among others. He now identifies as a Nikon Pro but, still, having him say nice things about a Pentax FF could be beneficial to the brand. I honestly don't think that Pentax is aiming for the Pro demographic, which sadly, is shrinking as a profession. But it would still be influencial on the Pentax higher-end demographic: Prosumer equipment with which one can achieve professional results. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:39 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a bigger name, but no one is that big anymore. On 2/14/2015 10:09 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I'd be interested in hearing a bigger name in the fashion industry that has an affinity for Pentax, if you've got one. https://www.google.com/search?q=benjamin+kanarek+photographer On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:06 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Benjamin's not so big a name that Ricoh should care if he's back or not, I bet most of us wouldn't even know who he is if he hadn't been a paid promoter of Pentax, then again there's the K-01, and the out house designer responsible, so maybe they do care, but who else does really? On 2/13/2015 5:47 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Interesting how nobody replied to this, which I wrote on Jan. 20th, regarding Benjamin Kanarek's sudden reappearance on dpreview Pentax Forum and PentaxForums.com. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation? Less than three weeks later Pentax confirms development of the full frame. I suspect that features are nailed down more than one might think and that the artist's rendition in the other thread is a working prototype (albeit with a 3d printed body) that is already in the hands of some pros who have signed NDAs like Kanarek. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... just about! This goes way beyond your usual review and (if you aren't the kind to want to read the manual that came with your K-3) this guy highlights a lot of the K-3s capabilities (many of which you may not have realized even existed). 37 minutes, but definitely worth watching if you own a K-3 or if you want a very lucid description of its capabilities to push you over the edge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88R8jfhfPe0 Interestingly, the link to this video was shared on the Pentax SLR forum on dpreview.com by Benjamin Kanarek. You may remember him as the former Pentax shooter who very publicly left Pentax for a Nikon D800 for his professional work. His YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/benjaminkanarek/videos At the time he said that he would still use Pentax for travel and leisure purposes. I find it interesting that he posted the K-3 video because it is his first Pentax post there for a very long time. And I wondered what precipitated that. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 video instruction manual...
Hmmm. And interestingly, Benjamin Kanarek is followed by Ricoh Imaging on Twitter. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thus one must work with what one has. Benjamin Kanarek Blog has been ranked in the Top 10 of Fashion News Sources (for 2010) by http://www.mattters.com/ http://www.benjaminkanarekblog.com/ I don't really do Facebook but he has a not insignificant presence there: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Benjamin-Kanarek-Blog/191339037872 He has nearly 1000 followers on Twitter: https://twitter.com/benjaminkanarek He shoots for Elle magazine and Vogue, among others. He now identifies as a Nikon Pro but, still, having him say nice things about a Pentax FF could be beneficial to the brand. I honestly don't think that Pentax is aiming for the Pro demographic, which sadly, is shrinking as a profession. But it would still be influencial on the Pentax higher-end demographic: Prosumer equipment with which one can achieve professional results. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:39 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a bigger name, but no one is that big anymore. On 2/14/2015 10:09 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I'd be interested in hearing a bigger name in the fashion industry that has an affinity for Pentax, if you've got one. https://www.google.com/search?q=benjamin+kanarek+photographer On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:06 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Benjamin's not so big a name that Ricoh should care if he's back or not, I bet most of us wouldn't even know who he is if he hadn't been a paid promoter of Pentax, then again there's the K-01, and the out house designer responsible, so maybe they do care, but who else does really? On 2/13/2015 5:47 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Interesting how nobody replied to this, which I wrote on Jan. 20th, regarding Benjamin Kanarek's sudden reappearance on dpreview Pentax Forum and PentaxForums.com. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation? Less than three weeks later Pentax confirms development of the full frame. I suspect that features are nailed down more than one might think and that the artist's rendition in the other thread is a working prototype (albeit with a 3d printed body) that is already in the hands of some pros who have signed NDAs like Kanarek. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... just about! This goes way beyond your usual review and (if you aren't the kind to want to read the manual that came with your K-3) this guy highlights a lot of the K-3s capabilities (many of which you may not have realized even existed). 37 minutes, but definitely worth watching if you own a K-3 or if you want a very lucid description of its capabilities to push you over the edge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88R8jfhfPe0 Interestingly, the link to this video was shared on the Pentax SLR forum on dpreview.com by Benjamin Kanarek. You may remember him as the former Pentax shooter who very publicly left Pentax for a Nikon D800 for his professional work. His YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/benjaminkanarek/videos At the time he said that he would still use Pentax for travel and leisure purposes. I find it interesting that he posted the K-3 video because it is his first Pentax post there for a very long time. And I wondered what precipitated that. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to
Re: OT: Carry out the Party's policies as exactly in all aspects as the Chonji Lubricating Oil Factory did!
Let us build our country into the most powerful one in the world, into a people's fairyland, They appear well on their way to that fairyland. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: Once again the People's Factory for the Production of Great Socialist Exclamation Marks has exceeded its quota, to the everlasting glory of Our Heroic Leader! http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-31446387 B! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Wondering what to do with the rest of your life?
Try http://usvsth3m.com See if you can spot the dirty Frenchman in Donna Summers' Disco Sausage Quiz! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Boo
Believe I remember this cute shot. Sorry to read of her passing, Dave. Jack Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2015, at 7:59 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I have not been to active with my cameras lately, but i wanted to share a photo from a few years ago of our middle cat Boo. Unfortunately her kidneys failed this week and Erin and I had the sad duty of sending her to the rainbow bridge. I did a tribute for her on FB. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15069472 Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gracie's Art
Commented on facebook, but will here too - love the expression she has on the angel-winged wolf ann On 2/13/2015 22:22, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: The kid has talent! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Grace has been working in Adobe Fireworks. She’s taught herself to dreate graphics with it, even using layers. She made this wolf graphis. The background was snatched from the web, and she started the wolf drawing with a series of circles that were meant to be a framework on which to draw an animal. But she’s doing pretty darn well for someone without any training. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17966519size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Carry out the Party's policies as exactly in all aspects as the Chonji Lubricating Oil Factory did!
The leadership certainly, but not the people. On 14 Feb 2015, at 17:45, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Let us build our country into the most powerful one in the world, into a people's fairyland, They appear well on their way to that fairyland. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: Once again the People's Factory for the Production of Great Socialist Exclamation Marks has exceeded its quota, to the everlasting glory of Our Heroic Leader! http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-31446387 B! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Saucy Walker Soiree
Technically very nice image. Jack - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 10:27:58 AM Subject: Re: PESO Saucy Walker Soiree Thanks Jack. BTW, shot with the K 85/1.8. Haven't shot with a manual focus lens in a while. Had to readjust the diopter. F5.6 @ 1/60th, ISO 400. Paul via phone On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: Cute, Paul. Perfect conversational placement of the dolls. :) Jack - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:59:50 AM Subject: PESO Saucy Walker Soiree My wife Marlene and her sister got Saucy Walker dolls for Christmas about 60 years ago. Both dolls spent most of the last half century on the shelf and survived pretty much intact. Now they live at our house and spend the days chit-chatting and sipping tea. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17967229size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO Saucy Walker Soiree
My wife Marlene and her sister got Saucy Walker dolls for Christmas about 60 years ago. Both dolls spent most of the last half century on the shelf and survived pretty much intact. Now they live at our house and spend the days chit-chatting and sipping tea. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17967229size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Saucy Walker Soiree
Thanks Jack. BTW, shot with the K 85/1.8. Haven't shot with a manual focus lens in a while. Had to readjust the diopter. F5.6 @ 1/60th, ISO 400. Paul via phone On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: Cute, Paul. Perfect conversational placement of the dolls. :) Jack - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:59:50 AM Subject: PESO Saucy Walker Soiree My wife Marlene and her sister got Saucy Walker dolls for Christmas about 60 years ago. Both dolls spent most of the last half century on the shelf and survived pretty much intact. Now they live at our house and spend the days chit-chatting and sipping tea. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17967229size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Except that's not currently how 3D printers work. However, who knows where 3D printer technology will be by the time the Pentax FF actually ships! I suggest the following alternative: http://www.instructables.com/id/edible-party-hat/ On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 13/2/15, J C OConnell, discombobulated, unleashed: Hey Cotty could use a 3D printer to make the hat and use chocaolate as the material! Not a bad idea! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Boo
Beautiful one... Sorry to hear that she is left... Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2015-02-14 17:59 GMT+02:00 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: I have not been to active with my cameras lately, but i wanted to share a photo from a few years ago of our middle cat Boo. Unfortunately her kidneys failed this week and Erin and I had the sad duty of sending her to the rainbow bridge. I did a tribute for her on FB. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15069472 Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Need your opinion - Square in Dresden from seafood perspective
I haven't seen anyone questioning his right to take it. He asked for opinions. He got 'em. On 2/14/2015 10:52 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Rick, in case there's any confusion, Igor is the photographer of Square in Dresden from seafood perspective. I was just supporting his right to take it. :) On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Bruce, From the person who recently posted Fishy Nanotech: I like it. I like the way the swirl of tram tracks and paving stones draw the eye to the building, and I like what the fisheye does to show the context of the subject.' I also think it could benefit from more post-processing, to bring out the building more, and get more color and detail in the sky. I might trim a few rows of paving stones off the foreground, too. Compositionally, I think I would might aimed the camera higher, to include more sky and fewer paving stones, and to decrease the distortion of the church towers. But generally, I like it. Cheers, Rick (whose wife asks herself =why= she got him a fisheye lens...) http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On 2/14/2015 3:11 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 14/2/15, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: For my English Literature 'O' Levels (or whatever the exams are called this week for those of around 16 years of age), I got a book of short stories. A few years later, my friend's brother, a few years younger than us, got the Hitchhiker's Guide. I don't think anyone in his class got anything lower than a 'B' grade, and most of them, before they knew that would be the book for the syllabus, could quote whole chunks of the book from memory. Lucky b*ds. Malcolm, in my sophomore year at (American) high school, I did a semester course called 'Predictive Literature'. It was basically reading and writing science fiction, and counted towards to overall English grades required. 6 months of sci-fi! This was 1975/6. We repatriated in 76 and I was landed into O levels and The Grapes of bleedin Wrath.. :-( Lucky you! We had to read the Scarlet Letter Moby Dick that year. ... and it was five miles uphill both ways through knee-deep snow! -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO.
So have I John, (and thanks for the condescending tone!) but my point is that a lot of Pentax lenses are at all time low prices right NOW, not just for the past few years. Part of that is the economy (the strength of the dollar vs other currencies). There is one stack of primes manual focus zoom lens that is currently bringing about 1/3 of what it did less than a year ago. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 2:28 PM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2/14/2015 9:21 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Everyone is (understandably) excited and focused about the Pentax full frame offering and many may be saving their shekels for the body. But I would suggest that this is Prime Time to be focusing upon filling any holes in your lens inventory. You might be a little late to the party. I've been doing that for several years now. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On 2/14/2015 3:08 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 14/2/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm about to be heretical. I read the HGTTG when it was fairly recently published, and was deeply underwhelmed. I think it's badly written and unfunny. The basic idea is a good one, badly executed, and I've never understood the Douglas Adams worship. I heard the radio series when it was first broadcast back in the 1970s. I think I read the original book. I thought the radio series was very funny, but as an advanced sci-fi fan with many books under my belt already, I took it as just a bit of fun - a lampoon of the SF genre. I always thought Asimov was overrated. I was a big fan of Larry Niven, Clarke, Farmer, Heinlein, and a good dozen more. I plan to dig out my (boxed up) SF library when I retire and re-read the lot. After a lifetime's experiences, I think it will be a whole new ballgame :-) Our local public library is having a talk Sunday March 1, featuring David Drake Mark Van Name discussing Heinlein. http://www.amazon.com/David-Drake/e/B000AP8T1C/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1423947872sr=1-2-ent http://www.amazon.com/Mark-L.-Van-Name/e/B001JS1L1O/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1423948015sr=1-2-ent -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
there is already technology today to 3D print edible food, not sure chocaolate is viable, but limited foods can already be done. google it. jco On 2/14/2015 3:05 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Except that's not currently how 3D printers work. However, who knows where 3D printer technology will be by the time the Pentax FF actually ships! I suggest the following alternative: http://www.instructables.com/id/edible-party-hat/ On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 13/2/15, J C OConnell, discombobulated, unleashed: Hey Cotty could use a 3D printer to make the hat and use chocaolate as the material! Not a bad idea! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
We see you Mike! (remember plain text only) Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 2:59 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: For plain text mode. Am I back in the world of the living again? I probably won't see my own post so a reply (even the usual abusive ones) would be appreciated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Saucy Walker Soiree
A fine activity for them! Lovely idea made me smile thru the snow. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: My wife Marlene and her sister got Saucy Walker dolls for Christmas about 60 years ago. Both dolls spent most of the last half century on the shelf and survived pretty much intact. Now they live at our house and spend the days chit-chatting and sipping tea. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17967229size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Bob W-PDML wrote: On 14 Feb 2015, at 20:58, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2/14/2015 3:11 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 14/2/15, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: For my English Literature 'O' Levels (or whatever the exams are called this week for those of around 16 years of age), I got a book of short stories. A few years later, my friend's brother, a few years younger than us, got the Hitchhiker's Guide. I don't think anyone in his class got anything lower than a 'B' grade, and most of them, before they knew that would be the book for the syllabus, could quote whole chunks of the book from memory. Lucky b*ds. Malcolm, in my sophomore year at (American) high school, I did a semester course called 'Predictive Literature'. It was basically reading and writing science fiction, and counted towards to overall English grades required. 6 months of sci-fi! This was 1975/6. We repatriated in 76 and I was landed into O levels and The Grapes of bleedin Wrath.. :-( Lucky you! We had to read the Scarlet Letter Moby Dick that year. ... and it was five miles uphill both ways through knee-deep snow! You were lucky. I had Scarlet Dick that year Scarlet Dick was the lesser-known predecessor of the Scarlet Pimpernel. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On 13/2/15, J C OConnell, discombobulated, unleashed: Hey Cotty could use a 3D printer to make the hat and use chocaolate as the material! Not a bad idea! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On 14/2/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm about to be heretical. I read the HGTTG when it was fairly recently published, and was deeply underwhelmed. I think it's badly written and unfunny. The basic idea is a good one, badly executed, and I've never understood the Douglas Adams worship. I heard the radio series when it was first broadcast back in the 1970s. I think I read the original book. I thought the radio series was very funny, but as an advanced sci-fi fan with many books under my belt already, I took it as just a bit of fun - a lampoon of the SF genre. I always thought Asimov was overrated. I was a big fan of Larry Niven, Clarke, Farmer, Heinlein, and a good dozen more. I plan to dig out my (boxed up) SF library when I retire and re-read the lot. After a lifetime's experiences, I think it will be a whole new ballgame :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On 14/2/15, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: For my English Literature 'O' Levels (or whatever the exams are called this week for those of around 16 years of age), I got a book of short stories. A few years later, my friend's brother, a few years younger than us, got the Hitchhiker's Guide. I don't think anyone in his class got anything lower than a 'B' grade, and most of them, before they knew that would be the book for the syllabus, could quote whole chunks of the book from memory. Lucky b*ds. Malcolm, in my sophomore year at (American) high school, I did a semester course called 'Predictive Literature'. It was basically reading and writing science fiction, and counted towards to overall English grades required. 6 months of sci-fi! This was 1975/6. We repatriated in 76 and I was landed into O levels and The Grapes of bleedin Wrath.. :-( -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Nanotech Study
It might still work without her but Liked the human presence. Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2015-02-14 4:27 GMT+02:00 Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Or, nano-student in the tera-building. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17964475size=lg (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments appreciated! Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO.
On 2/14/2015 9:21 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Everyone is (understandably) excited and focused about the Pentax full frame offering and many may be saving their shekels for the body. But I would suggest that this is Prime Time to be focusing upon filling any holes in your lens inventory. You might be a little late to the party. I've been doing that for several years now. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On 2/14/2015 4:03 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: I'm about to be heretical. I read the HGTTG when it was fairly recently published, and was deeply underwhelmed. I think it's badly written and unfunny. The basic idea is a good one, badly executed, and I've never understood the Douglas Adams worship. B It was mostly harmless. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Test
For plain text mode. Am I back in the world of the living again? I probably won't see my own post so a reply (even the usual abusive ones) would be appreciated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fishy Nanotech
Rick, Nice study of an interesting building, great color and lines. I prefer the straight shot with the up ramp protruding our way. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Attila, Dan, and Bruce! Rick On Feb 13, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Attila Boros wrote: I much prefer this vantage point, like it a lot better than the previous version. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: The nanotechnology building, through the 10-17 fisheye: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17964476size=lg Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
Thanks. I didn't forget. But my provider arbitrarily changed default to something else and then very carefully hid the way of switching it back. Probably saved you folks from being exposed to dozens of facetious non-sequiteurs. On 14 February 2015 at 21:22, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: We see you Mike! (remember plain text only) Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 2:59 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: For plain text mode. Am I back in the world of the living again? I probably won't see my own post so a reply (even the usual abusive ones) would be appreciated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On 14 Feb 2015, at 20:58, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2/14/2015 3:11 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 14/2/15, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: For my English Literature 'O' Levels (or whatever the exams are called this week for those of around 16 years of age), I got a book of short stories. A few years later, my friend's brother, a few years younger than us, got the Hitchhiker's Guide. I don't think anyone in his class got anything lower than a 'B' grade, and most of them, before they knew that would be the book for the syllabus, could quote whole chunks of the book from memory. Lucky b*ds. Malcolm, in my sophomore year at (American) high school, I did a semester course called 'Predictive Literature'. It was basically reading and writing science fiction, and counted towards to overall English grades required. 6 months of sci-fi! This was 1975/6. We repatriated in 76 and I was landed into O levels and The Grapes of bleedin Wrath.. :-( Lucky you! We had to read the Scarlet Letter Moby Dick that year. ... and it was five miles uphill both ways through knee-deep snow! You were lucky. I had Scarlet Dick that year B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
I'll try to do one that's unusually abusive... On 14 Feb 2015, at 21:00, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: For plain text mode. Am I back in the world of the living again? I probably won't see my own post so a reply (even the usual abusive ones) would be appreciated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Boo
On 14/2/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I have not been to active with my cameras lately, but i wanted to share a photo from a few years ago of our middle cat Boo. Unfortunately her kidneys failed this week and Erin and I had the sad duty of sending her to the rainbow bridge. I did a tribute for her on FB. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15069472 Nice pic Dave. SAD SAD SAD. Cats. Sniff! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Nanotech Study
Thanks, Ann! Yes, it's new; opened about a year ago on Walnut St. near 33d. Rick On Feb 14, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: My favorite of your three photos of this building.. color,geometry,exposure,etc... Is this a new building, Rick? (new-nano sounds like something Mork would say) ann On 2/13/2015 21:27, Rick Womer wrote: Or, nano-student in the tera-building. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17964475size=lg (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments appreciated! Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Saucy Walker Soiree
My wife will love them! (Forwarded already). She happens to have dozens of those babes :) I hope they do not start chit-chatting anytime soon! Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2015-02-14 19:59 GMT+02:00 Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: My wife Marlene and her sister got Saucy Walker dolls for Christmas about 60 years ago. Both dolls spent most of the last half century on the shelf and survived pretty much intact. Now they live at our house and spend the days chit-chatting and sipping tea. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17967229size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
On 2/14/2015 10:18 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote: Jostein Øksne wrote: You mean those Kodak PictureDisc things? I have a few of those, and found that ImageMagick can convert them to 16-bit TIFFs. In batches. :- ) Jostein I've not looked them out for years, but I'm certain that's what they were called. I think they later offered a CD, rather than 3.5 floppy disc, but I used so little colour film I can't be sure. I'm glad to hear they are still good to go for you. Malcolm If I remember correctly from my days running the mini-lab, the Kodak CD that was available with your processed film prints the images were standard, low-compression JPEGs that would allow you to print a 4x6 at 300ppi (1200x1800 pixels). -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
John wrote: If I remember correctly from my days running the mini-lab, the Kodak CD that was available with your processed film prints the images were standard, low-compression JPEGs that would allow you to print a 4x6 at 300ppi (1200x1800 pixels). You're thinking of the Kodak Picture CD that came several years later. The original Kodak Photo CD (notice the subtly different name) came out in the early 1990's and stored up to 100 photos, each one in several resolutions. It was a proprietary image format and failed in the same way that pretty much every proprietary image format has ever since. When they went to the Picture CD it was just standard JPEG images at 1200 x 1800. I'm pretty sure Photoshop will still read the old Photo CD format images. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
Came through to Raleigh, NC via Earthlink. On 2/14/2015 3:59 PM, mike wilson wrote: For plain text mode. Am I back in the world of the living again? I probably won't see my own post so a reply (even the usual abusive ones) would be appreciated. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Foodini https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HX9tVCbm5g On 2/14/2015 3:05 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Except that's not currently how 3D printers work. However, who knows where 3D printer technology will be by the time the Pentax FF actually ships! I suggest the following alternative: http://www.instructables.com/id/edible-party-hat/ On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 13/2/15, J C OConnell, discombobulated, unleashed: Hey Cotty could use a 3D printer to make the hat and use chocaolate as the material! Not a bad idea! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO.
Ive been doing it for the last decade or so. jco On 2/14/2015 3:28 PM, John wrote: On 2/14/2015 9:21 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Everyone is (understandably) excited and focused about the Pentax full frame offering and many may be saving their shekels for the body. But I would suggest that this is Prime Time to be focusing upon filling any holes in your lens inventory. You might be a little late to the party. I've been doing that for several years now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Anyone tried the Tokina AT-X AF 28-70 F2.8 Lens?
I was thinking about picking up one of these lenses, they sell for around $200 used, I already have an excellent manual focus 35-70 F2.8 AT-X, but 35mm just isnt wide enough especially on aps format. I was wondering if anyone here had tried the 28-70 F2.8 AT-X AF and what the pros and cons to it were. Thanks in advance. P.S. This is a FF lens. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Father Son
Bulent, Beautiful shot. A painter's sky, well captured, A dancing diagonal lending energy to the subjects, Patches of light in the grass, testifying to the warmth of the sun, A father and son balanced by some taller weeds to the left, And that little bald spot showing on dad's head. Real people, special day, nicely caught. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 5:30 AM, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: A photo I have forgotten to process and post from an earlier Summer. I guess it may stir memories for some of you... Blog (no text) : https://celasun.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/father-son/ Bigger (P.Net) : http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17966772 Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone tried the Tokina AT-X AF 28-70 F2.8 Lens?
On 14/2/15, J C OConnell, discombobulated, unleashed: I was thinking about picking up one of these lenses, they sell for around $200 used, I already have an excellent manual focus 35-70 F2.8 AT-X, but 35mm just isnt wide enough especially on aps format. I was wondering if anyone here had tried the 28-70 F2.8 AT-X AF and what the pros and cons to it were. Thanks in advance. P.S. This is a FF lens. Years ago I owned the Tokina 28-70 AT-X Pro II 2.6/2.8 in K mount and I remember being very impressed by it. It is heavy and made of neutron star innards! I recall it being sharp when stopped down a couple, but reasonable wide open. It was certainly amongst my kit up until the time I bought an EOS D60 in 2003 and sold the bulk of my K mount kit for some lenses to go with a DSLR. I may have even obtained an EF version of the Tokina - but memory does not serve well here. http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/276-tokina-af-28-70mm-f28-26-at-x-pro- ii-lab-test-report--review http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS_D60 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
Quoting Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com: John wrote: If I remember correctly from my days running the mini-lab, the Kodak CD that was available with your processed film prints the images were standard, low-compression JPEGs that would allow you to print a 4x6 at 300ppi (1200x1800 pixels). You're thinking of the Kodak Picture CD that came several years later. The original Kodak Photo CD (notice the subtly different name) came out in the early 1990's and stored up to 100 photos, each one in several resolutions. It was a proprietary image format and failed in the same way that pretty much every proprietary image format has ever since. When they went to the Picture CD it was just standard JPEG images at 1200 x 1800. I'm pretty sure Photoshop will still read the old Photo CD format images. The most recent versions of Photoshop wont read them. Photoshop CS3 was (I think) the last version that supported the Photo CD format but even then you had to install a plug in that wasn't enabled by default. I used Photo CD when I first needed digital versions of some of my slides (not having either a scanner or DSLR with slide copier). It was a 'hit or miss' format with some excellent digital conversions and some abysmal. I still have 6 or 7 Photo CD collections and keep CS3 on hand in case I need to read them. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO.
Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: Everyone is (understandably) excited and focused about the Pentax full frame offering Not everyone, Darren. At best I find it mildly interesting but the hyper-activity on the Pentax Forum at DP Review is wonderfully entertaining... Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ and many may be saving their shekels for the body. But I would suggest that this is Prime Time to be focusing upon filling any holes in your lens inventory. It is a market of supply and demand, and we have enjoyed a period when a steady trickle of Pentax users would abandon the brand for a full frame (or a mirrorless) and so there has been a decent buyer's market for a while. I've picked up a Bigma, a Pentax DA 16-45mm, and a Sigma 31mm f1.4 from just such sellers. But I think that trend is going to be reversing, if the Pentax FF performance meets expectations. Right NOW, the Northern Hemisphere is in the doldrums and the U.S. dollar is strong, so the U.S. buyer has probably the best economic conditions to purchase Pentax lenses in a long while (particularly from Canada). I expect Good Glass prices to be on an upward trend between now and the release of the Pentax FF: Particularly the FA Limiteds. I doubt that prices will ever be lower on the other good Pentax-F and Pentax-FA lenses. Some of the Pentax-A lenses will also be drawn upwards as demand for the AF lenses goes upward. What this means is that, if you want to rationalize some lens purchases, anything you buy now will probably be worth more (not less) in the not-to-distant future. And if you wait, it will cost more. All signs point to BUY in the Pentax lens market right now. There are some good lenses that are bringing a good deal less than the were last summer right now, and I expect we will see that trend reversing very soon. -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
On 2/14/2015 3:43 PM, John wrote: On 2/14/2015 10:18 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote: Jostein Øksne wrote: You mean those Kodak PictureDisc things? I have a few of those, and found that ImageMagick can convert them to 16-bit TIFFs. In batches. :- ) Jostein I've not looked them out for years, but I'm certain that's what they were called. I think they later offered a CD, rather than 3.5 floppy disc, but I used so little colour film I can't be sure. I'm glad to hear they are still good to go for you. Malcolm If I remember correctly from my days running the mini-lab, the Kodak CD that was available with your processed film prints the images were standard, low-compression JPEGs that would allow you to print a 4x6 at 300ppi (1200x1800 pixels). There were also Professional picture disks with 6mp scans in a propitiatory Kodak image format, supporting a maximum resolution of 6mp, and a file extension of PCD. That was back when Kodak propaganda was saying that 6mp was all a professional needed, before their 14mp FF digital SLR, after it's release that claim was quickly forgotten. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anyone tried the Tokina AT-X AF 28-70 F2.8 Lens?
Kennyboy has a review of that lens on his website, It might be one of his good reviews, (he does have good ones occasionally) or it may be one of his trademark hands off reviews, I' can't be bothered to read it, but it might actually have useful information. On 2/14/2015 4:26 PM, J C OConnell wrote: I was thinking about picking up one of these lenses, they sell for around $200 used, I already have an excellent manual focus 35-70 F2.8 AT-X, but 35mm just isnt wide enough especially on aps format. I was wondering if anyone here had tried the 28-70 F2.8 AT-X AF and what the pros and cons to it were. Thanks in advance. P.S. This is a FF lens. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PRIMETIME to pick up used lenses, IMHO.
Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: Everyone is (understandably) excited and focused about the Pentax full frame offering Not everyone, Darren. At best I find it mildly interesting but the hyper-activity on the Pentax Forum at DP Review is wonderfully entertaining... I'm in both camps: I'm excited about the upcoming full-frame camera but also very much entertained by the fuss on DPReview and PentaxForums. A lot of the speculation and measurbating (minute analysis of the photos of the mock-up) is unintentionally hysterically funny. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
I think I disagree with your blanket statement that obsolence of either makes them unrecoverable. If anything, it takes obsolence of both in my opinion, but in either case it's more a matter of how much you are willing to pay for recovery. What really sucked about analog was that the original could not be copied at all without quality loss. Digital can be migrated losslessly between media for as long as you bother to migrate to new hardware regularly. Like with your tape reader. Since migrating to floppies, that's your historic 'event horizon'. If then migrated to CDs, why would you look back to floppies. And yeah, ImageMagick is a godsend, but only for us computer geeks. ;-) Jostein Den 14. februar 2015 16:44:58 CET, skrev Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: The obsolescence of either is enough to render your data unrecoverable. Physical media seems to die out sooner than file formats do simply because it's generally not too hard to keep a file format reader around in software. As you found with ImageMagick. Thank goodness for that at least. I actually own an 8-bit paper tape reader, 110 baud, chunky mechanical thing with a big motor. The last time I used it to read tapes I cobbled together a 20mA current loop to RS-232 converter and transferred a bunch of data to floppies. If I wanted to use it today I'd like to have a 20mA current loop to Bluetooth interface but I don't imagine they are too plentiful. BTW, the last time I used that reader, I also had to write a DEC PDP-8e emulator to run the code on them. Some of the tapes are in RIM format and some in BIN, all with code from the late 1960s and early 1970s. 'Twas a gas to see the old FOCAL prompt again. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no wrote: I think you should differentiate between media obsolence and file format obsolence. Jostein Den 13. februar 2015 20:34:02 CET, skrev P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Recent motherboards don't even have floppy controllers built onto them and no one makes a PCI anything floppy controller add in board, so 5 1/4 floppys are dead unless you happen to have an older machine, (I have one for running my film scanner), you can still buy 3 1/2 inch USB floppy drives, but they're not 100 percent compatible with anything. In fact I think it would be easier to find something to read the paper tape than an 8 floppy. On 2/13/2015 2:25 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I saw a bit of a convo between two Facebook connections with this with one disbelieving that this could be a problem. Someone, somewhere can read your old file formats, he stated confidently. I'm tempted to show him some 1 paper tape and ask him if he knows anyone who can still read that. But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS-DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. My late 2014 iMac came with no CD/DVD reader/burner in it. I had to buy a USB one. The digital vellum idea is kinda like VMware, so I get it and it makes sense. But printing photos works for me too since I like to see them on my walls anyway. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Team: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO Working and Practicing
Grace in my office. Shot with the K3 and the K 85/1.8 wide open. . F1.8,1/50th, ISO 1250 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17967485size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: Badly written can still be enjoyed if it has clever concepts and the book was full of clever concepts. I would call it mostly amusing rather than funny. In any event, oneshould probably know them just if one is going to be literate in the cultural references, unless you enjoy things regularly whizzing over your head. Reading the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy also represents a rite of passage for us white nerdy types. That said, it isn't a work that I, personally, plan on rereading. I missed the radio series and the TV series an never got around to reading Hitchhikers until I found a Kindle version a couple of years ago. I found it amusing, but it was a struggle to finish the 'trilogy'. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On 2/14/2015 4:08 PM, John wrote: On 2/14/2015 3:08 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 14/2/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm about to be heretical. I read the HGTTG when it was fairly recently published, and was deeply underwhelmed. I think it's badly written and unfunny. The basic idea is a good one, badly executed, and I've never understood the Douglas Adams worship. I heard the radio series when it was first broadcast back in the 1970s. I think I read the original book. I thought the radio series was very funny, but as an advanced sci-fi fan with many books under my belt already, I took it as just a bit of fun - a lampoon of the SF genre. I always thought Asimov was overrated. I was a big fan of Larry Niven, Clarke, Farmer, Heinlein, and a good dozen more. I plan to dig out my (boxed up) SF library when I retire and re-read the lot. After a lifetime's experiences, I think it will be a whole new ballgame :-) Our local public library is having a talk Sunday March 1, featuring David Drake Mark Van Name discussing Heinlein. http://www.amazon.com/David-Drake/e/B000AP8T1C/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1423947872sr=1-2-ent http://www.amazon.com/Mark-L.-Van-Name/e/B001JS1L1O/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1423948015sr=1-2-ent I met Asimov once, after he gave a talk at the University of Rhode Island. He was nice personable and a bit amoral, though in a civilized progressive sort of way, at least that was my impression, I shot a couple of photos of him for the school newspaper, that they didn't run unfortunately. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
You are here - though whether that means you are among the living or not I can't speak to good to see ya! ann On 2/14/2015 15:59, mike wilson wrote: For plain text mode. Am I back in the world of the living again? I probably won't see my own post so a reply (even the usual abusive ones) would be appreciated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
Welcome Ann! Jack Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: You are here - though whether that means you are among the living or not I can't speak to good to see ya! ann On 2/14/2015 15:59, mike wilson wrote: For plain text mode. Am I back in the world of the living again? I probably won't see my own post so a reply (even the usual abusive ones) would be appreciated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 5 Palms Sunset
Thanks, Ann. 5 Palms is a restaurant on Keawakapu Beach on Maui. It is one of my wife's favorites, so since we were going to be traveling all day on 2/14, I took her there for an early valentine's day dinner. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: That's amazing and gorgeous... (I'm guessing the place you are is called 5 palms.) Want a weather channel guy to tell us the name of that kind of cloud formation. ann On 2/13/2015 17:04, John wrote: On 2/13/2015 2:52 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Taken from our dinner table this evening: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17965887size=lg Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola Beautiful cloud formations, but no palms? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Working and Practicing
Lovely still. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Grace in my office. Shot with the K3 and the K 85/1.8 wide open. . F1.8,1/50th, ISO 1250 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17967485size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pre-2006 PDML archives?
Anyone know if there are any pre-2006 PDML archives floating around out there on the web? I was wondering how long it's been since I first joined, but the current archives only go back to 2006, and I know I was a member long before that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pre-2006 PDML archives?
I know of only two archives that collect the PDML www.mail-archive.com and the one that Doug maintains at PDML.net, the former goes back to sometime in 1999, I think. Which may be when Doug took over from Pentax in maintaining the list. I think there may have been another third party mail archiving site, but I don't remember what it was and Google was no help. On 2/14/2015 9:41 PM, John Celio wrote: Anyone know if there are any pre-2006 PDML archives floating around out there on the web? I was wondering how long it's been since I first joined, but the current archives only go back to 2006, and I know I was a member long before that. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
Well digital should be but isn't perfect, bad copies can be made due to equipment error and failing media, among other things. I've seen enough restores because backups were corrupted and not checked until needed when it was too late. On 2/14/2015 7:21 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote: I think I disagree with your blanket statement that obsolence of either makes them unrecoverable. If anything, it takes obsolence of both in my opinion, but in either case it's more a matter of how much you are willing to pay for recovery. What really sucked about analog was that the original could not be copied at all without quality loss. Digital can be migrated losslessly between media for as long as you bother to migrate to new hardware regularly. Like with your tape reader. Since migrating to floppies, that's your historic 'event horizon'. If then migrated to CDs, why would you look back to floppies. And yeah, ImageMagick is a godsend, but only for us computer geeks. ;-) Jostein Den 14. februar 2015 16:44:58 CET, skrev Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: The obsolescence of either is enough to render your data unrecoverable. Physical media seems to die out sooner than file formats do simply because it's generally not too hard to keep a file format reader around in software. As you found with ImageMagick. Thank goodness for that at least. I actually own an 8-bit paper tape reader, 110 baud, chunky mechanical thing with a big motor. The last time I used it to read tapes I cobbled together a 20mA current loop to RS-232 converter and transferred a bunch of data to floppies. If I wanted to use it today I'd like to have a 20mA current loop to Bluetooth interface but I don't imagine they are too plentiful. BTW, the last time I used that reader, I also had to write a DEC PDP-8e emulator to run the code on them. Some of the tapes are in RIM format and some in BIN, all with code from the late 1960s and early 1970s. 'Twas a gas to see the old FOCAL prompt again. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no wrote: I think you should differentiate between media obsolence and file format obsolence. Jostein Den 13. februar 2015 20:34:02 CET, skrev P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Recent motherboards don't even have floppy controllers built onto them and no one makes a PCI anything floppy controller add in board, so 5 1/4 floppys are dead unless you happen to have an older machine, (I have one for running my film scanner), you can still buy 3 1/2 inch USB floppy drives, but they're not 100 percent compatible with anything. In fact I think it would be easier to find something to read the paper tape than an 8 floppy. On 2/13/2015 2:25 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I saw a bit of a convo between two Facebook connections with this with one disbelieving that this could be a problem. Someone, somewhere can read your old file formats, he stated confidently. I'm tempted to show him some 1 paper tape and ask him if he knows anyone who can still read that. But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS-DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. My late 2014 iMac came with no CD/DVD reader/burner in it. I had to buy a USB one. The digital vellum idea is kinda like VMware, so I get it and it makes sense. But printing photos works for me too since I like to see them on my walls anyway. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Team: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve
Re: Pre-2006 PDML archives?
Quoting John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com: Anyone know if there are any pre-2006 PDML archives floating around out there on the web? I was wondering how long it's been since I first joined, but the current archives only go back to 2006, and I know I was a member long before that. Here ya go http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml%40pdml.net/msg221829.html 5 Jan 2005 -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
Bruce Walker wrote: But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS- DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. I have tried to back up any files I've had stored on - for want of a better description - dead media formats, to the latest method of storage. At one point I had loads of 5.25 floppy discs and thousands of 3.5 discs. I still have some of those from Kodak, where there was an option of providing a disc with your processed film. I have no way of opening those discs now, yet because I have the film, it's not important. I wonder how many images will get tossed into the bin, as over the years so many people will come across old storage media that they have no way of opening, and memories or records of the past will disappear forever? There is a certain irony to the fact in this time of continual technological advancement, that files/images stored twenty years ago on the hot media of the time is unreadable to most, yet you can use negatives that were taken many decades ago and recreate (and in many cases improve) the original with equipment bought in 2015. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On 14 Feb 2015, at 04:05, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote: Bob W-PDML wrote: I seem to remember Pentax showing a mockup or prototype before, which never actually hit the streets. I could show a mockup of a time machine, doesn't mean I'll ever be able to travel forward to 2525 to watch Cotty eat his hat when the camera is available in whatever passes for shops then. That's why I want him to eat it now, on credit so to speak. I've got a working time machine. I crawl into it every night, close my eyes and when I open them again I've been transported about eight hours into the future. As anyone who's read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy knows, the time machine, by definition, was invented at *all* points in history. I'm about to be heretical. I read the HGTTG when it was fairly recently published, and was deeply underwhelmed. I think it's badly written and unfunny. The basic idea is a good one, badly executed, and I've never understood the Douglas Adams worship. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
atRe: Pentax HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm f/4-5.8 ED WR Lens - recommended?
Hello The 55-300mm is a surprisingly good lens considering the very low cost. Only outpassed by the 60-250mm by quite small differences. Look at: https://www.flickr.com/search/?w=86896645@N00q=55-300 Regards Jens Den 11-01-2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Eric Weir: A message I attempted to send when it would have been timely. I’m resending as it remains true. On Dec 23, 2014, at 4:09 AM, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: Over the last four years, I've reduced the number of lenses I've owned by about 90%. The acquisition of this lens, if recommended, would allow me to sell on three more lenses which cover portions of this range. I would rather have a very small handful of lenses I use frequently, than some that get used twice a year. I have only a few lenses already. There is some duplication, and one, said to be a good one, that I hardly use at all. Within the next couple months I will have still fewer lenses. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net What does it mean...that the world is so beautiful? - Mary Oliver -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pre-2006 PDML archives?
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:52 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Anyone know if there are any pre-2006 PDML archives floating around out there on the web? I was wondering how long it's been since I first joined, but the current archives only go back to 2006, and I know I was a member long before that. Here ya go http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml%40pdml.net/msg221829.html 5 Jan 2005 Thanks, PJ and Brian. Ten years. Jeez... John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
