[Assam] Why not chase them out today? 500, 000 soldiers in Assam not enough for the 10m?
In Assam, BJP chief says illegals will be chased out http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=88279 SAMUDRA GUPTA KASHYAP Posted online: Monday, February 20, 2006 at 0150 hours IST GUWAHATI, FEBRUARY 19: BJP president Rajnath Singh today described infiltration from Bangladesh as a major threat to the security demography of the country and said his party would go to any extent to expel the infiltrators. Addressing a party rally, the BJP chief also called for a law to stop the conversion of tribals to Christianity. The BJP president also warned the Congress against what he called attempts to protect Bangladeshi migrants, such as the amendment of the Foreigners Act of 1946. The BJP, he said, would oppose any such moves. He also clarified that the BJP had nothing against Indian Muslims, but was opposed to providing any kind of shelter to Muslims entering from Bangladesh or Pakistan. India, he said, was not a dharamshala where anyone from anywhere could come and stay. Expressing concern over the conversion of tribal people to Christianity, Singh said he was in favour of an act that would prevent conversion. I have already asked the BJP-ruled states to ensure that tribals are not permitted to convert (to Christianity), he said. FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Re: [Assam] Why not chase them out today? 500, 000 soldiers in Assam not enough for the 10m?
In Assam, BJP chief says illegals will be chased out My God, all these years, the people of Assam did not recognize the actual powerful friend of Assam, BJPwho promises to chase away the illegels as theywish. Just give them the vote. I say Hobo Diok. RB - Original Message - From: Bartta Bistar To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:53 AM Subject: [Assam] Why not chase them out today? 500,000 soldiers in Assam not enough for the 10m? In Assam, BJP chief says illegals will be chased out http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=88279 SAMUDRA GUPTA KASHYAP Posted online: Monday, February 20, 2006 at 0150 hours IST GUWAHATI, FEBRUARY 19: BJP president Rajnath Singh today described infiltration from Bangladesh as a major threat to the security demography of the country and said his party would go to any extent to expel the infiltrators. Addressing a party rally, the BJP chief also called for a law to stop the conversion of tribals to Christianity. The BJP president also warned the Congress against what he called attempts to protect Bangladeshi migrants, such as the amendment of the Foreigners Act of 1946. The BJP, he said, would oppose any such moves. He also clarified that the BJP had nothing against Indian Muslims, but was opposed to providing any kind of shelter to Muslims entering from Bangladesh or Pakistan. India, he said, was not a dharamshala where anyone from anywhere could come and stay. Expressing concern over the conversion of tribal people to Christianity, Singh said he was in favour of an act that would prevent conversion. I have already asked the BJP-ruled states to ensure that tribals are not permitted to convert (to Christianity), he said. FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Why not chase them out today? 500, 000 soldiers in Assam not enough for the 10m?
Title: Re: [Assam] Why not chase them out today? 500, 000 soldie Do you have any reason not to trust them :-)? At 7:27 AM -0600 2/20/06, Rajen Barua wrote: In Assam, BJP chief says illegals will be chased out My God, all these years, the people of Assam did not recognize the actual powerful friend of Assam, BJPwho promises to chase away the illegels as theywish. Just give them the vote. I say Hobo Diok. RB ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Penthouse
Do you own a penthouse or have been longing for one? Do you know how the word "penthouse" of an apartment buildingcame into being? Oxomiyat penthouse-ok sali bulihe kobo neki. :-) = Monday February 20, 2006 Previous | NextDear Yahoo!:How did the "penthouse" of an apartment building get its name?KeithDear Keith:When someone lives in a penthouse suite, folks assume they've "arrived," both socially and economically. After all, the penthouse is at the top of the building. Its occupants can literally look down their noses at the little people. Both Britannica Online and Merriam-Webster define penthouse as "a structure or dwelling built on the roof of a building." Thanks guys, but we kind of already knew that. Digging a bit deeper, we found this explanation from Mavens' Word of the Day: "Penthouse" comes from the word pentis, which comes from apentis, which comes from apendere, which means to hang against or attach. (Still with us?) A pentis was a shed with a sloping roof attached to a wall or building. At some point (we don't know the exact date), people began referring to the structure's roof as a "pentis," and the actual shed became a "penthouse." Sheds? Sloping roofs? These definitions don't exactly make penthouses sound very swanky. So the next time a person tries to impress you by mentioning their new penthouse, you can politely ask, "That would be your shed attached to the wall?" Of course, you probably won't be invited to the penthousewarming party. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Why should the ULFA compromise on Sovereign Assam?
BJP tells Ulfa to pick ballot over bullet http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060220/asp/northeast/story_5869234.asp A STAFF REPORTER BJP national secretary Pramod Mahajan and party president Rajnath Singh at the Guwahati rally on Sunday. Picture by UB Photos Guwahati, Feb. 19: The BJP today urged the banned Ulfa to shun violence and join the mainstream by contesting elections in the interest of the states development. Addressing a massive pre-poll rally here this morning, the partys general secretary Pramod Mahajan backed the ongoing peace initiative but he insisted that the process be meaningful. We request the Ulfa to shun violence and contest the polls. We will welcome you to the mainstream but you will have stay away from violence. The people of Assam have been sandwiched between bullets of the Ulfa and those of the security forces. As a result, the states development has been hampered. Violence will not take Assam anywhere, he said. Assam is an integral part of India and will always remain so. Under no circumstances will the sovereignty of the country be compromised. he added. Mahajan also criticised Congress president Sonia Gandhi for not visiting strife-torn Kakopathar. The Kakopathar incident could have been avoided had the Congress ministers gone to the spot on that day itself, he said. He accused Sonia Gandhi of apathy towards the family of the slain Ajit Mahanta, saying she did not even visit them during her Assam tour. Condemning the Kakopathar police firing, Mahajan hoped the army would treat the custody death of Mahanta as its final mistake. BJP chief Rajnath Singh on his maiden trip to Assam as party president, said the state is in for a change and the BJP will wrest power in the forthcoming elections. He asked the UPA government to amend the Foreigners Act in its proposed form as it would only abet influx. Singh also asked the BJP-ruled states to stop Christian missionaries from carrying out conversions. The Centre should frame a legislation in this regard, he added. Mahajan had earlier said in another 25 years, all the districts in Assam would be controlled by Bangladeshis because of heavy influx in the past. To nullify the impact of the scrapped Illegal Migrants (Determination by Tribunals) Act, the Centre has amended the Foreigners Act. It is nothing but appeasement of the minority vote bank, he said. Both Mahajan and Singh refrained from attacking either the AGP or the AGP (P). Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Penthouse
Title: Re: [Assam] Penthouse Moi akou bhabisilw Penthouse ekhon alwsoni, known for its intellectual content, in addition to lots and lots of pictures. But from the account here it appears that the structural appendage ought to be called, more appropriately, a LEAN-TO, a 'saali', rather than a Penthouse. At 6:20 AM -0800 2/20/06, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: Do you own a penthouse or have been longing for one? Do you know how the word penthouse of an apartment buildingcame into being? Oxomiyat penthouse-ok sali bulihe kobo neki. :-) = Monday February 20, 2006 Previous | Next Dear Yahoo!: How did the penthouse of an apartment building get its name? Keith Dear Keith: When someone lives in a penthouse suite, folks assume they've arrived, both socially and economically. After all, the penthouse is at the top of the building. Its occupants can literally look down their noses at the little people. Both Britannica Online and Merriam-Webster define penthouse as a structure or dwelling built on the roof of a building.! Thanks guys, but we kind of already knew that. Digging a bit deeper, we found this explanation from Mavens' Word of the Day: Penthouse comes from the word pentis, which comes from apentis, which comes from apendere, which means to hang against or attach. (Still with us?) A pentis was a shed with a sloping roof attached to a wall or building. At some point (we don't know the exact date), people began referring to the structure's roof as a pentis, and the actual shed became a penthouse. Sheds? Sloping roofs? These definitions don't exactly make penthouses sound very swanky. So the next time a person tries to impress you by mentioning their new penthouse, you can politely ask, That would be your shed attached to the wall? Of course, you probably won't be invited to the penthousewarming party. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?
Asam Sahitya Sabha president Kanaksen Deka today made an appeal to the people to wage an all out battle against inferiority complex that is afflicting the life of the State's people Reflects only his own Complex with his inferior body, mind ,looks , convictions. Assamese now feel Superior to Indians. There is no other battle but to attain Sovereignty-- in spite of BJPs Wont give an inch of India ( Back to the Assamese). Inferiority complex- ICX- has made the State's people opt for English instead of their own language in all spheres of their life. This complex is luring the guardians to send their wards to the English medium schools. This is against the basic doctrines of education, which speak of imparting education at the primary level through mother tongues. He handles the language poorly.That is #1. People in Assam do not( use)OPT English#2-. Did he say that or did AT in their kind of English? ICX luring Guardians send wards to EM Schools?#3 % Easy-money city types + CBSE+Central schools Doctrines of education, which speak of imparting education at the primary level#4 Whose doctrine,Why? He also made an appeal to all the peoples living in the State to consider their newly found aspiration for recognition as nations against the background of globalisation. The concept of nation is taking a back seat even in Europe and the concept of a European Union is gaining ground instead amongst the European nations nowadays. It was in Europe that the concept of nation had sprung up following the Industrial Revolution, he said. Appealed to all the peoples living in the State to consider their newly found aspiration for recognition as Nations to all the peoples Define this. their newly found aspiration for recognition Again define. What atrocious English!And Guwaal Gali? . It was in Europe that the concept of nation had sprung up following the Industrial Revolution, he said.The dumb crowd might have even applauded him on his Erotic!! History but how about Britain, France, Spain, Germany Russia, Italy,Greece, Turkey before the Ind,Rev.they were all therestill are there!!. Grant of autonomy to many ethnic groups has also led to social conflicts in many areas of the State. This is due to the contradiction among the dominant ethnic groups the general population living in these autonomous areas. All such conflicts should be resolved through steps to promote amity among the people living in these areas, he said. Why cant he call a spade a spade? Bodoland Autonomous Council is a passing phase. A few Feel-Good Agents enjoying Good Life for a few days. NDFB will call the final shots with ULFA. Agentsare harming nobody. He also asserted that any arrangement for autonomy without a provision for percolation of power down to the grass root level was meaningless. Such arrangements for autonomy creates a new type of oligarchy and the common people continue to languish as usual. Did he mean the BODOLand situation here? If so, OK. If Ulfa-they want nothing short of Freedom, Sovereignty! But for the maladies of terrorism, group conflict and the like confronting the State's society, he said, economic backwardness was the main factor. But for Poor English!-does he mean Except for???what??? Lets be Charitable-Say he means that ULFA is Terrorizing because of Economic Backwardness. Facts are otherwise :India Govt is terrorizing and free looting because this Superpower to-be is in a tight Economic spot- in spite of their hypes and spins. Group Conflict: People think Genocide in Karbia strategic act byRAW- like Secret Killings, Parag Das . Now, all above are Xahitya? What is their annual production target? Products being? And Why did he suddenly Resign? mm From:"Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:ASSAMNET assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] Do Assamese have an inferiority complex?Date:Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:08:44 -0600 Highlights are mine. Some questions/comments though: "Inferiority complex has made the State's people opt for English instead of their own language in all spheres of their life." I think people learn English because its useful. Does knowing English, give one a 'superiority' edge? I don't think so. "He also clarified that the Asam Sahitya Sabha had not indulged in the recent controversy concerning the definition of the Assamese people" One would have thought that a body like the Sahitya Sabha would be the right body to define who is an Assamese if need be. an how about this one below? "He also asserted that any arrangement for autonomy without a provision for percolation of power down to the grass root level was meaningless. Such arrangements for autonomy creates a new type of oligarchy and the common people continue to languish as usual" Await readers' comments. Expand base of Assamese society - ATBy A Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, Feb 16 Asam Sahitya Sabha president Kanaksen Deka today made an appeal to the people to wage an all out battle against inferiority
Re: [Assam] Assamese Lullabies
Rajib-da and Bhabhi-ji,Congratulations to you both for the newborn.UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hearty congratulations Rajib. Hope mama and baby are doing fine.At 1:53 PM -0800 2/18/06, Rajib Das wrote:I need lullabies for my 3 week old son. Can anyonepoint out the most favorite Assamese lullabies? Wouldreally prefer those that are essentially folk songs.Would doubly appreciate if someone has digital audioversions and can share.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.orgUmesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] TIME: PhD from USA - world is flat now
My note: In 2004 summer Olympics at Athens the basketball Gold went to obscure and poor Peurto Rico -who beat longstanding champions - USA. How? --by watching the videos of games played by Michael "Air" Jordan and Chicago Bulls --and playing accrodingly. Modern communication means knowledge can be trasferred easily across the globe. The secrets are out. Countries, companies across the world are quick to adopt tactics and strategies being currently used by Western ones. UmeshPS: However, for poor countries like India there are millions who would love to work in the West -for the one who opts to go back. However, as I read somewhere,some become citizens in the West and return in old age to their poor countires and survive verynicely on the generous unemployment dole(as do Hippies)-article's Best quote: In his book Thomas Friedman puts it another way: "In China today, Bill Gates is Britney Spears. In America today, Britney Spears is Britney Spears--and that is our problem."..."That is especially true in China, where the government has put its muscle behind an all-out effort to transform homegrown science. "Ten years ago in China, it was virtually all derivative stuff," says Chu. "Students would sit and listen and try to capture every word. Now they're asking lots of questions." During a 100th-anniversary celebration for Peking University a few years ago, Chu found himself seated next to China's Minister for Education. "She was asking for my autograph," he says, shaking his head. "It was totally topsy-turvy. Can you imagine in the U.S. the Secretary of Education fawning on a Nobel prizewinner? It just won't happen." -- Cover http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1156575,00.htmlAre We Losing Our Edge?The U.S. still leads the world in scientific innovation. But years of declining investment and fresh competition from abroad threaten to end our supremacyBy MICHAEL D. LEMONICK Feb. 13, 2006 Gabriel Aeppli was born in Switzerland, but when he was 1 year old, his father came to the U.S. to pursue a career as a mathematician. Back then, America was a scientific "city on the hill," a place where enormous resources, academic freedom, a tradition of skepticism and a history of excellence lured everyone from astronomers to zoologists from all over the world, and like Aeppli's father, many of them never had any interest in leaving. Aeppli, now 48, attended M.I.T., where he got a Ph.D. in electrical engineering, and went on to work at Bell Labs, the legendary research arm of ATT. Then he moved on to the NEC research laboratory, outside Princeton, N.J., as a senior research scientist. But while industrial labs used to be well-funded havens for freewheeling scientific inquiry, says Aeppli, "my career was limited because opportunities to lead were very few." So he left for an academic job in Britain. He now holds a chair in physics at University College London and also directs the London Center for Nanotechnology. "I've been able to start with a clean sheet of paper and create something unique in a world-class city," he says. "We doubt that could be done anywhere else." Edison Liu is a Hong Kong native who studied in the U.S. and eventually rose to become director of the division of clinical sciences at the National Cancer Institute. But in 2001 the government of Singapore made him an offer he couldn't refuse: the directorship of the brand new Genome Institute along with a $25 million starting budget--part of a $288 million integrated network of life-science research centers and biotech start-ups called Biopolis. Says Liu: "I came because I saw that the entire leadership of the country, the fabric of the country was thirsting for biology." If those were just isolated cases, they would be easy to dismiss. Such stories, though, have become disturbingly common. After more than a half-century of unchallenged superiority in virtually every field of science and technology, from basic research to product development, America is starting to lose ground to other nations. It's still on top for now; the U.S continues to lead the world in economic performance, business and government efficiency and in the strength of its infrastructure. As recently as 2001, the U.S., with just 6% of the world's population, churned out 41% of its Ph.D.s. And its labs regularly achieve technological feats, as last month's rollout of a new, superpowerful Macintosh computer and the launch of a space probe to Pluto make clear. But by almost any measure--academic prizes, patents granted to U.S. companies, the trade deficit in high-technology products--we're losing ground while countries like China, South Korea and India are catching up fast. Unless things change, they will overtake us, and the breathtaking burst of discovery that has been driving our economy for the past half-century will be over. In his
[Assam] Ravi Sankar: Terrorism and corruption
he says that use Sam (logic), Dam (rewards) before using Dand (punishment)and Bedh (divide). He didmention in his address at Harvard last year that he managed to convince many Naxal insurgents to join mainstream when they developed trust i his vow that he will fight for their welfare.Ajai Singh , Assam's governor wants to fight before anything else.Umesh http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/20inter1.htm?q=tpfile=.htm" Since you spoke of terrorism, many volunteers we spoke to here spoke of your work in Kashmir, and how terrorists there renounced violence after doing the Art of Living course. What is the magic formula you offered them? Basically people are good. The human being's structure is like that of an atom. At the center is the positive proton. The centre of every human being is positive, of compassion, love. But the negativity somehow comes in, and we need to take care of the delusions that people have. How can mankind respond when confronted with terrorism? In an earlier interview to our newspaper India Abroad, you mentioned the concept of saam, daan, dand, bhed. You are not averse to using the stick? No! But you don't need to use it if you have followed the other three methods. It should be the last resort. Unfortunately people start with the last resort. Then it goes from bad to worse.Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] TIME: PhD from USA - world is flat now
Correction: 2004 Basketball Olympic Gold in Athens was won by Argentina (its first ever Olympic medal) . But Puerto Rico did win over USA team.UmeshArgentina topples Italy for basketball gold Last Updated: Sunday, August 29, 2004. 8:16am (AEST) http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200408/s1187386.htm Argentina capped a golden day in their history on day 15 of the Athens Olympics by beating Italy 84-69 to win the men's basketball title for the first time. The South American country had not tasted Olympic victory of any sort since 1952. But earlier in the day Argentina won the soccer gold medal at the Athens Games.http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200408/s1187061.htm"Before this, the Americans went 109-2 with 12 gold medals since 1936. The only prior US men's basketball losses in Olympic history were to the Soviet Union in a controversial 1972 Munich final and a 1988 Seoul semi-final. Puerto Rico inflicted the first Olympic defeat upon a US NBA squad by 92-73 in their Games opener and Lithuania outdueled an improved US team down the stretch for a 94-90 triumph. " umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:About Hippies and junkies (smoking easily available "weed" or marijuana or "bhang" ) I know for a fact having seen so many of them in remote Pushkar - and read about their economics in the local edition of Times Of India --Rajasthanplus http://www.rajplus.com/as well as from Tourist guides.About the NRIs planning to return to India I read when I was in India on www.Rediff.com where some NRI was giving advice to those going to Bangalore. He advised that wait till you spend about ten years in US and then once you are a citizen you are guarenteed Rs 25,000 p.m. (a princely sum in India as you will agree) - and then u come back to set up a start up in tech field etc. I imagine thats what many techies might be doing whilereturning to Bangalore or Hyderbad.umeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:However, as I read somewhere,some become citizens in the West and return in old age to their poor countires and survive verynicely on the generous unemplo! yment dole(as do Hippies) *** Where did you read this Umesh? Or did you just make it up, without regard to the facts?At 8:14 PM + 2/20/06, umesh sharma wrote: My note: In 2004 summer Olympics at Athens the basketball Gold went to obscure and poor Peurto Rico -who beat longstanding champions - USA. How? --by watching the videos of games played by Michael "Air" Jordan and Chicago Bulls --and playing accrodingly. Modern communication means knowledge can be trasferred easily across the globe. The secrets are out. Countries, companies across the world are quick to adopt tactics and strategies being currently used by Western ones.UmeshPS: However, for poor countries like India there are millions who would love to work in the West -for the one who opts to go back. However, as I read somewhere,some become citizens in the West and return in old age to their poor countires and survive verynicely on the generous unemplo! yment dole(as do Hippies)-article's Best quote: In his book Thomas Friedman puts it another way: "In China today, Bill Gates is Britney Spears. In America today, Britney Spears is Britney Spears--and that is our problem."..."That is especially true in China, where the government has put its muscle behind an all-out effort to transform homegrown science. "Ten years ago in China, it was virtually all derivative stuff," says Chu. "Students would sit and listen and try to capture every word. Now they're asking lots of questions." During a 100th-anniversary celebration for Peking University a few years ago, Chu found himself seated next to China's Minister for Education. "She was asking for my autograph," he s! ays, shaking his head. "It was totally topsy-turvy. Can you imagine in the U.S. the Secretary of Education fawning on a Nobel prizewinner? It just won't happen." -- Cover http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1156575,00.htmlAre We Losing Our Edge?The U.S. still leads the world in scientific innovation. But years of declining investment and fresh competition from abroad threaten to end our supremacyBy MICHAEL D. LEMONICK Feb. 13, 2006 Gabriel Aeppli was! born in Switzerland, but when he was 1 year old, his father came to the U.S. to pursue a career as a mathematician. Back then, America was a scientific "city on the hill," a place where enormous resources, academic freedom, a tradition of skepticism and a history of excellence lured everyone from astronomers to zoologists from all over the world, and like Aeppli's father, many of them never had any interest in leaving. Aeppli, now 48, attended M.I.T., where he got a Ph.D. in electrical engineering, and went on to work at Bell Labs, the legendary research arm of ATT. Then he moved on to the NEC
Re: [Assam] IE: Pinnacle of secularism in India - new Taliban in North India --and Assam??
Bravo Sonia and MM Singh's rule India will be the new Pakistan or Afghanistan under their rule!! with new taliban emerging. Haven't we seen pictures on BBC of Pakistanis collecting money for Jihad in Kashmir. Now similar in India against "Great Danes."Umesh PS: and what about in Assam - the second most Islamic state in India after Kashmir - Minister justified, was only speaking as a MuslimRs 51 crore for cartoonists headPIYUSH SRIVASTAVA Posted online: Sunday, February 19, 2006 at 0153 hours ISThttp://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=88215 LUCKNOW, FEBRUARY 18 : UP Minister for Minority Welfare and Haji Yaqoob Quereshi who announced Rs 51 crore as reward for anyone beheading the Danish cartoonist for caricaturing Prophet Muhammad, today drew strong support from his Cabinet colleagues. The law of the land doesnt permit a minister to speak like this. But I am sure that he spoke all this as an individual...(But) we can pay even more than Rs 51 crore to teach a lesson to such people who hurt the sentiment of the Muslim community, Samajwadi Party MP from Moradabad Dr Shafiqur Rahman Barq said. Whatever he said may be intended towards sending a clear message that those who commit blasphemy on Islam wont be spared at any cost. Killing the Danish cartoonist is the only option and we are ready to collect much more to pay as reward to one who punishes him. The All India Waqf Welfare Council (perhaps something to do with the All India Muslim body Waqf Board) , meanwhile, held a meeting today and supported the call, saying Lucknow would contribute substantially to the bounty.umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=88158The Minister for Minority Welfare and Haj in the Mulayam Singh Yadav government, Haji Yaqoob Qureishi, has announced a cash reward of Rs 51 crore (US $12 million) for anyone who beheads the Danish cartoonist who caricatured Prophet Mohammad. State govt's reaction : When contacted, UP Principal Secretary, Home, Alok Sinha told The Indian Express: The ministers reaction was the voice of someone whose religious sentiments have been hurt. Moreover, since the reference was to a person who is far off, there is no question of an FIR being lodged against the minister. However, the All India Muslim Personal Law Board member and Naib Imam of Aishbagh Idgah, Maulana Khalid Rasheed Firangi Mahali, criticised the Ministers call for the killing of the cartoonist. - UmeshUmesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] TIME: PhD from USA -S 030 welfare payments
C-da and Ram-da,I am not so conversant with US welfare system but I recollected doing an assignment doing my program at Harvard on quantitative analysis of Welfare payments in different states in USA -- and trying to see if racism and political ideologies caused them to vary so much the data was from US Gov sources: However, since last year the course S:30 has changed a lot -for the better (many of us had also suggested that it be overhauled)and that assignment is no longer there. But that assignment goes to show that US govt has a system of welfare payments to poor. Thats exactly what I was driving at. That US or European poor can and do go to poor nations like India or Thailandand live well - on welfare doles. Maybe Europeans constitute more of the Hippies who have made India their home since they get more dole. more info: http://post.economics.harvard.edu/hier/2001papers/HIER1933.pdf(Harvard study: Why USA does not have a Europe styled welfare state) http://www.city-journal.org/html/5_2_californias.html http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-212.html http://www.acf.hhs.gov/news/press/1999/welsum30.htmUmeshPS: my intro from the assignment discussing the issue of welfare payments http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k3677pageid=icb.page17081S 030 INTRODUCTION: The PredictorVariablesIn the last assignment we found that nearly one third of the variation in welfare grants ( outcome variable GRANT) across states was associated with the cost of living (predictor Log2Col) in the states. But cost of living does not tell the whole story . Now we analyze the contention by two researchers (Mr Primus and Ms Lav.)Mr Primus says that racism is responsible for the remaining variation, so he has gathered data of the racial composition of each state and tried to explain how the proportion of whites to non whites in the population of a state (predictor variable RATIO) might be responsible for the remaining variation in GRANT values. The data does show that there is a lot of variation in the racial composition among states. Mississippi has the lowest ratio of (RATIO = 1.7 ) whites to non whites and also has the lowest welfare ( GRANT = 120,) whereas Vermont, which has the highest GRANT values (GRANT = 650) among all states, also has the highest ratio (RATIO = 80.6) of whites to non-whites. Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Exactly Ram.First off, retirement benefits are NOT 'dole' -- handouts -- or charity. We ought to know what these words mean before we throw them around. More so when we do that in condescension. Similarly, retirement benefits are NOT unemployment insurance benefits. Anyway, unemployment insurance premiums are paid for by the EMPLOYER. It is required by state law. 401 K is a retirement savings plan, that an employee contributes towards. The savings are invested by the trustees in different instruments, like the stock-market. The income is re-invested, and it grows tax free. Sometimes an employer would ADD a percentage of the employee's contribution to the amount. It is like a bonus, or an incentive, to save. But it is the employee's money. NOT a DOLE.At 2:37 PM -0600 2/20/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Umesh, However, as I read somewhere,some become citizens in the West and return in old age to their poor countires and survive verynicely on the generous unemployment dole(as do Hippies)I don't know about other countries, US Citizens who retire in Indiaat old age, don't get unemployment benefits. What they get is retirement benefits from Social Security (which they paid into all their working lives), 401 K/457 K retirement (which they also contributed, 100% or part contributions), or other retirement saving's plans.Even "unemployment doles" are NOT freebees as some would like to assume. Unemployement insurance is paid to the govt. by employers and it lasts only for a short period.Often, employers' rates rise when ex-employees claim unemployement benefits. So many employers make it look like those who make such claimaints are dead-beats and a drag on society.I would argue, that its the cost of doing business, and everyone who is unemployed (laid off)is entitled to it and no stigma be attached to it.Am not sure if employees somehow also pay into the unemp. insurance scheme. Maybe someelse can enlighten us. --Ram daOn 2/20/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My note: In 2004 summer Olympics at Athens the basketball Gold went to obscure and poor Peurto Rico -who beat longstanding champions - USA. How? --by watching the videos of games played by Michael "Air" Jordan and Chicago Bulls --and playing accrodingly. Modern communication means knowledge can be trasferred easily across the globe. The secrets are out. Countries, companies across the world are quick to adopt tactics and strategies being currently used by Western ones.UmeshPS: However, for poor countries
Re: [Assam] TIME: PhD from USA -S 030 welfare payments
Umesh, but I recollected doing an assignment doing my program at Harvard on quantitative analysis of Welfare payments in different states in USA -- and trying to see if racism and political ideologies caused them to vary so much the data was from US Gov sources: I hope Harvard isn't 'doling' out them A's like the 'welfare system' -:) That US or European poor can and do go to poor nations like India or Thailandand live well - on welfare doles Faulty assumption and theories again. The 'poor' in the US do get welfare 'doles', but it is not as easy to get those. You not only have to be poor, but also to prove every week (I think) to welfare officials that you are really poor and fill out all sorts of paperwork. I don believe one can getwelfare checks while you are globe-trotting. Welfare checks too are limited to a short period. They are expected to attend classes to learn better skills so that they can get out of it. But social welfare is just that - the moral responsibility for a society (like the US) to take care of the least fortunate amonst us. That I think, we should not begrudge nor should we attach a stigma to it. But the system needs reforms - so that only those who need to get it, get it. In fact, there are many (Indians among them too) who live pay check to pay check and are a stone's throw from welfare. Now, it may be possible to live in a country like Mexico and come here to get them checks, but thats about it. I don't where you got this, but its all humbug to say the least. But there are some 'business' people who come from India, who do take complete and absolute advantage of the system. But most of the time its illegal or they found some loophole and are scams. Here are some I have heard over the years: -Worldwide Life insurance bought on an uncle while the uncle is here. Uncle ofcourse dies while in India - the poor nephew collects -as they get the death certificate from India. JC Penny was scammed a number of times - this scam is well-known now. - Insurance on a grocery store (desi). Of course the store burns down, and the all distraught desi has lost everything, collects. Also well-known now. -Desi businesses also played around a lot with bankruptcy laws. Borrow to the hilt- declare bankruptcy, collect later from relative... The laws are now tougher. All this only show the desi view of life (albiet a small section). Pakistanis/B'deshis also included in the list. Often they think they are too damn smart for their own good. It is some these enterprising souls who when they visitthe desh tell the natives how 'great life is in the United States', and how bestto beat the syshtem. You are far more intelligent than that, and I hope you don't fall for these tall stories. --Ram da On 2/20/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C-da and Ram-da, I am not so conversant with US welfare system but I recollected doing an assignment doing my program at Harvard on quantitative analysis of Welfare payments in different states in USA -- and trying to see if racism and political ideologies caused them to vary so much the data was from US Gov sources: However, since last year the course S:30 has changed a lot -for the better (many of us had also suggested that it be overhauled)and that assignment is no longer there. But that assignment goes to show that US govt has a system of welfare payments to poor. Thats exactly what I was driving at. That US or European poor can and do go to poor nations like India or Thailandand live well - on welfare doles. Maybe Europeans constitute more of the Hippies who have made India their home since they get more dole. more info: http://post.economics.harvard.edu/hier/2001papers/HIER1933.pdf (Harvard study: Why USA does not have a Europe styled welfare state) http://www.city-journal.org/html/5_2_californias.html http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-212.html http://www.acf.hhs.gov/news/press/1999/welsum30.htm Umesh PS: my intro from the assignment discussing the issue of welfare payments http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k3677pageid=icb.page17081 S 030 INTRODUCTION: The PredictorVariables In the last assignment we found that nearly one third of the variation in welfare grants ( outcome variable GRANT) across states was associated with the cost of living (predictor Log2Col) in the states. But cost of living does not tell the whole story . Now we analyze the contention by two researchers (Mr Primus and Ms Lav.) Mr Primus says that racism is responsible for the remaining variation, so he has gathered data of the racial composition of each state and tried to explain how the proportion of whites to non whites in the population of a state (predictor variable RATIO) might be responsible for the remaining variation in GRANT values. The data does show that there is a lot of variation in the racial composition among states. Mississippi has the lowest ratio of (RATIO = 1.7 ) whites to non whites and also has the lowest welfare (
Re: [Assam] TIME: PhD from USA -S 030 welfare payments
Ram-da,You do know a lot about the system :)Incidently a well meaning uncle had been trying to pursuade me vigorously recently that I get a lawyer to get me "married" on paper and later divorce on paper after 2 years. He said why spend so much trying to go for H-1B visa and then for Green Card.Go straight for Green Card thru marraige. Finally I had to tell him that now laws are strict agianst fraud marraige and that I might have to pay up $250,000 and upto five years in jail and then be thrown back to India. then he quieted down. You might recall the case of a brother-sister marriage last year (from Gujarat) to help the brother get to US .It is also true that the system exists - just like the tax system -whereby one can take advantage of the various exemptions available -and work to your best advantage. Thats what these CPAs etc are for (in tax) and others for other stuff. It is upto the govt (india or US etc) to decide whether they want to give those exemptions or not and whom they want to benefit. For instance, US allows for citizenship by birth and after Green Card -- most of Europe and japan do not. You take advantage of the laws. Since it has become more difficult ot come to US or UK many students are going to Australia , Canada etc -0taking advantage of their laws.UmeshRam Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Umesh,but I recollected doing an assignment doing my program at Harvard on quantitative analysis of Welfare payments in different states in USA -- and trying to see if racism and political ideologies caused them to vary so much the data was from US Gov sources: I hope Harvard isn't 'doling' out them A's like the 'welfare system' -:)That US or European poor can and do go to poor nations like India or Thailandand live well - on welfare dolesFaulty assumption and theories again. The 'poor' in the US do get welfare 'doles', but it is not as easy to get those. You not only have to be poor, but also to prove every week (I think) to welfare officials that you are really poor and fill out all sorts of paperwork. I don believe one can getwelfare checks while you are globe-trotting.Welfare checks too are limited to a short period. They are expected to attend classes to learn better skills so that they can get out of it.But social welfare is just that - the moral responsibility for a society (like the US) to take care of the least fortunate amonst us. That I think, we should not begrudge nor should we attach a stigma to it. But the system needs reforms - so that only those who need to get it, get it. In fact, there are many (Indians among them too) who live pay check to pay check and are a stone's throw from welfare. Now, it may be possible to live in a country like Mexico and come here to get them checks, but thats about it.I don't where you got this, but its all humbug to say the least.But there are some 'business' people who come from India, who do take complete and absolute advantage of the system. But most of the time its illegal or they found some loophole and are scams. Here are some I have heard over the years:-Worldwide Life insurance bought on an uncle while the uncle is here. Uncle ofcourse dies while in India - the poor nephew collects -as they get the death certificate from India. JC Penny was scammed a number of times - this scam is well-known now.- Insurance on a grocery store (desi). Of course the store burns down, and the all distraught desi has lost everything, collects. Also well-known now. -Desi businesses also played around a lot with bankruptcy laws. Borrow to the hilt- declare bankruptcy, collect later from relative... The laws are now tougher. All this only show the desi view of life (albiet a small section). Pakistanis/B'deshis also included in the list. Often they think they are too damn smart for their own good. It is some these enterprising souls who when they visitthe desh tell the natives how 'great life is in the United States', and how bestto beat the syshtem. You are far more intelligent than that, and I hope you don't fall for these tall stories. --Ram daOn 2/20/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C-da and Ram-da,I am not so conversant with US welfare system but I recollected doing an assignment doing my program at Harvard on quantitative analysis of Welfare payments in different states in USA -- and trying to see if racism and political ideologies caused them to vary so much the data was from US Gov sources: However, since last year the course S:30 has changed a lot -for the better (many of us had also suggested that it be overhauled)and that assignment is no longer there. But that assignment goes to show that US govt has a system of welfare payments to poor. Thats exactly what I was driving at. That US or European poor can and do go to poor nations like India or Thailandand live well - on welfare doles. Maybe Europeans constitute more of
Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, Loudspeakered Devotion
maybe they should provide all audience members (their target audience) with wireless earphonesand extend the reach of the soundsystem to cover miles around :)Umeshmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Noise pollution is not tolerable- -Of/by/for any Religion,pseudo religion,so-called-cultural-function, private celebration like Indian marriages. Certainly not with Sound-blasters. With i-POD, OK mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] some interesting links and news: In a flat worldDate:Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:03:28 + (GMT)www.serendib.us a non profit run by my former classmate at Harvard - Tucker Mccravy . he is coming to DC to look for a job - he will run his non profit alongside -while paying for it thru his salary from the job. http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/entry.php?u=jaipurschoole_id=482About Teacher Training in the Fast Mode - good and bad news A snippet: Mad shooting the loudspeakers!!: Today morning while driving back from Atlantic City in New Jersey (at Trump's TajMahal Casino and the beach - I spent 10 cents there) with my NRI kid roommate and two Indians - I learnt about a bombshell. Maybe only in this age of internet where info has become common knowledge can something like this shock a person. The NRI kid mentioned that at college (he joined it again this Jan part time) he met one of his friends ( "an American") who had just returned from Iraq as a soldier there. That fellow suffered from ADHD mental disorder and when at 4 am in the morning the mosque's loudspeakers started shouting"Allah Ho Akbar Allah etc"he got so pissed off that he started shooting at the loudspeakers. Noone complained since Americans have already won there. I think this is an example (little known perhaps except those who do such things there) why some Middle Easterners call it a war against Islam. An average American does not know basics about other faiths. My roommate also empathized with him that why do in Islamic countries they blast out so much noise at the mosque. He did not believe that it happens in India also and he also did not believe that India has more muslims (150 million) than all Middle East put together . If India had it would also be considred "bad" but it is not so its muslim population must be less than middle East -he concluded. till I explained that India has more population than both South and North America combined or whole Africa or whole Europe together- and 150 million people is peanuts by Indian standards. I know many including myself do not approve being woken up at 4 am by the mosque 2 miles away -esp since there are hardly in muslims in the area where I lived in Jaipur. However, when I see that in almost all neighborhood parks - Hindu temples have been illegally built and they too have loud music blaring for hours -on festive season (unlike 2 minutes at atime for muslims) -what to do. Umesh Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.orgUmesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] monkey money sadness?
This along with lack of knowledge about the working of a closely-held company had led to all kind of perception and rumours about his group, Roy said asserting nothing would deter him to go ahead with his plans for mega investment that would help tripling the group's assets up to Rs 150,000 crore in the next five years And Monkeys cannot afford to be SAD! Why would Mittal not let go of his Indo Passport?Plans to take overSAIL? ONGC? India? He literally got himself Invited to MMS's lunch for Chirac. Looks like a " Non!" from France.They know Brit. Monkey money is propping up the Lakshmi. They are asking the basic question- If US (Mittal)has oversupply, and cars are not making any more-who would Arcelor sell to when US Mittal floods Europe? Mittal knows no technology-- only monkey-money. That's why SAD! Like Ambani Boy who lets off broadsiders like"India's Agro-export could exceed 2 Trillion Dollars". He does not know that India is now a net food importer including oils,wheat,onions,fruit. I have doubts if he is clear about millions,billions,trillions,zillions-- Oh India! Free Assam will help them be honest and on to the path of Greatness! Monkeys Can't. mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] monkey money sadness?Date:Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:30:32 + (GMT) 'I am sad for comments made on me' - LN Mittal http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1420788,curpg-1.cms Monkeys can never be sad? Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps folks based in Assam can see that Debojit faced opposition at Mumbai music fest SaReGaManot becos he was from Assam but was a little knownoutsider from a place considered backward by Mumbaiites. Same for Mr Gogoi - current Mr India in body building championship. Just like backwardRajasthan's village born LN Mittal is considered in Europe - despite trying to make amends by buying the costliest house in the world ($400 million) and getting his daughter married off in a real French palace -the costliest marriage in the world (in monetary terms) - $100 million. It is an interesting phrase rooted in Indian history and culture -- "Monkey money!!" Mittal -the third richest in the world - was born in a village wthout electricy and scarce water in desert -so maybe he is considered a tribal -in the aristocratic European circles. And tribal might be like a monkey to city bred folks perhaps. Just the way tribal (Van (Jungle)+ Nar (man) ) Hanuman - the supreme devotee was labelled a monkey (vaanar) by the writers of Ramayan and now is worshipped as a monkey God by Hindus -since tribal was considered a lower person. http://ia.rediff.com/money/2006/feb/16mittal1.htm?q=bpfile=.htm umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Monkey money" is what Arcelor chief called Mittal's fortunes as in the article. Seems like a catchy phrase often used by his team mates atleast. Primary school kids would also like the link between the two words. Money + k = Monkey!! So lots of money (K = 1000s) makes a monkey out of you! Umesh PS: Incidently I had been trying this week to implement some of the things I learnt at the teacher training session last weekend - and did some - graphic organizers (like a butterfly to list out main points of a story) and strecthing exercises to get sleepyheads to work after school and being easy going on Valentine's Day since thay all had partied at school - the whole school was partying with lots of gifts and food. umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ndtvprofit.com/homepage/StoryBusiness.asp?id=29817template=Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo.
Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, Loudspeakered Devotion
Noise pollution is not tolerable- -Of/by/for any Religion,pseudo religion,so-called-cultural-function, private celebration like Indian marriages. Certainly not with Sound-blasters. With i-POD, OK mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] some interesting links and news: In a flat worldDate:Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:03:28 + (GMT) www.serendib.us a non profit run by my former classmate at Harvard - Tucker Mccravy . he is coming to DC to look for a job - he will run his non profit alongside -while paying for it thru his salary from the job. http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/entry.php?u=jaipurschoole_id=482About Teacher Training in the Fast Mode - good and bad news A snippet: Mad shooting the loudspeakers!!: Today morning while driving back from Atlantic City in New Jersey (at Trump's TajMahal Casino and the beach - I spent 10 cents there) with my NRI kid roommate and two Indians - I learnt about a bombshell. Maybe only in this age of internet where info has become common knowledge can something like this shock a person. The NRI kid mentioned that at college (he joined it again this Jan part time) he met one of his friends ( "an American") who had just returned from Iraq as a soldier there. That fellow suffered from ADHD mental disorder and when at 4 am in the morning the mosque's loudspeakers started shouting"Allah Ho Akbar Allah etc"he got so pissed off that he started shooting at the loudspeakers. Noone complained since Americans have already won there. I think this is an example (little known perhaps except those who do such things there) why some Middle Easterners call it a war against Islam. An average American does not know basics about other faiths. My roommate also empathized with him that why do in Islamic countries they blast out so much noise at the mosque. He did not believe that it happens in India also and he also did not believe that India has more muslims (150 million) than all Middle East put together . If India had it would also be considred "bad" but it is not so its muslim population must be less than middle East -he concluded. till I explained that India has more population than both South and North America combined or whole Africa or whole Europe together- and 150 million people is peanuts by Indian standards. I know many including myself do not approve being woken up at 4 am by the mosque 2 miles away -esp since there are hardly in muslims in the area where I lived in Jaipur. However, when I see that in almost all neighborhood parks - Hindu temples have been illegally built and they too have loud music blaring for hours -on festive season (unlike 2 minutes at atime for muslims) -what to do. Umesh Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] TIME: PhD from USA -S 030 welfare payments
Dear Umesh, Finally I had to tell him that now laws are strict agianst fraud marraige and that I might have to pay up $250,000 and upto five years in jail and then be thrown back to India. then he quieted down. .. You take advantage of the laws. Since it has become more difficult ot come to US or UK many students are going to Australia , Canada etc -0taking advantage of their laws. I am surprised - but may be I am naive. Laws are man made, and there will be loop holes. That, I hope certainly does not mean one should take advantage of. But just becauseone isaware of a loop hole ( andis able to take advantage of), I hope it doesn't mean thatone would want to take that advantage, simply becausethey can get away with it. Hopefully, people hold themselves to higher standards than that. .. Don't you think? -:) --Ram da On 2/20/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram-da, You do know a lot about the system :) Incidently a well meaning uncle had been trying to pursuade me vigorously recently that I get a lawyer to get me married on paper and later divorce on paper after 2 years. He said why spend so much trying to go for H-1B visa and then for Green Card.Go straight for Green Card thru marraige. Finally I had to tell him that now laws are strict agianst fraud marraige and that I might have to pay up $250,000 and upto five years in jail and then be thrown back to India. then he quieted down. You might recall the case of a brother-sister marriage last year (from Gujarat) to help the brother get to US . It is also true that the system exists - just like the tax system -whereby one can take advantage of the various exemptions available -and work to your best advantage. Thats what these CPAs etc are for (in tax) and others for other stuff. It is upto the govt (india or US etc) to decide whether they want to give those exemptions or not and whom they want to benefit. For instance, US allows for citizenship by birth and after Green Card -- most of Europe and japan do not. You take advantage of the laws. Since it has become more difficult ot come to US or UK many students are going to Australia , Canada etc -0taking advantage of their laws. Umesh Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh, but I recollected doing an assignment doing my program at Harvard on quantitative analysis of Welfare payments in different states in USA -- and trying to see if racism and political ideologies caused them to vary so much the data was from US Gov sources: I hope Harvard isn't 'doling' out them A's like the 'welfare system' -:) That US or European poor can and do go to poor nations like India or Thailandand live well - on welfare doles Faulty assumption and theories again. The 'poor' in the US do get welfare 'doles', but it is not as easy to get those. You not only have to be poor, but also to prove every week (I think) to welfare officials that you are really poor and fill out all sorts of paperwork. I don believe one can getwelfare checks while you are globe-trotting. Welfare checks too are limited to a short period. They are expected to attend classes to learn better skills so that they can get out of it. But social welfare is just that - the moral responsibility for a society (like the US) to take care of the least fortunate amonst us. That I think, we should not begrudge nor should we attach a stigma to it. But the system needs reforms - so that only those who need to get it, get it. In fact, there are many (Indians among them too) who live pay check to pay check and are a stone's throw from welfare. Now, it may be possible to live in a country like Mexico and come here to get them checks, but thats about it. I don't where you got this, but its all humbug to say the least. But there are some 'business' people who come from India, who do take complete and absolute advantage of the system. But most of the time its illegal or they found some loophole and are scams. Here are some I have heard over the years: -Worldwide Life insurance bought on an uncle while the uncle is here. Uncle ofcourse dies while in India - the poor nephew collects -as they get the death certificate from India. JC Penny was scammed a number of times - this scam is well-known now. - Insurance on a grocery store (desi). Of course the store burns down, and the all distraught desi has lost everything, collects. Also well-known now. -Desi businesses also played around a lot with bankruptcy laws. Borrow to the hilt- declare bankruptcy, collect later from relative... The laws are now tougher. All this only show the desi view of life (albiet a small section). Pakistanis/B'deshis also included in the list. Often they think they are too damn smart for their own good. It is some these enterprising souls who when they visitthe desh tell the natives how 'great life is in the United States', and how bestto beat the syshtem. You are far more intelligent than that, and I hope you don't fall for these tall stories.
Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, Loudspeakered Devotion
This is what they should do: Provide frequencies to radio stations that would broadcast the "Azan" at 4 AM or whatever time. The devotees who want to get up and pray, let them keep their radios tuned to the station. They can get up when they hear the call for prayer. Thus no one else will be bothered.The Hindu temples could do the same with their radio frequencies to reach their devotees with devotional music. Will it work? Are there other complications that I don't see?Dilipmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Noise pollution is not tolerable- -Of/by/for any Religion,pseudo religion,so-called-cultural-function, private celebration like Indian marriages. Certainly not with Sound-blasters. With i-POD, OK mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] some interesting links and news: In a flat worldDate:Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:03:28 + (GMT)www.serendib.us a non profit run by my former classmate at Harvard - Tucker Mccravy . he is coming to DC to look for a job - he will run his non profit alongside -while paying for it thru his salary from the job. http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/entry.php?u=jaipurschoole_id=482About Teacher Training in the Fast Mode - good and bad news A snippet: Mad shooting the loudspeakers!!: Today morning while driving back from Atlantic City in New Jersey (at Trump's TajMahal Casino and the beach - I spent 10 cents there) with my NRI kid roommate and two Indians - I learnt about a bombshell. Maybe only in this age of internet where info has become common knowledge can something like this shock a person. The NRI kid mentioned that at college (he joined it again this Jan part time) he met one of his friends ( "an American") who had just returned from Iraq as a soldier there. That fellow suffered from ADHD mental disorder and when at 4 am in the morning the mosque's loudspeakers started shouting"Allah Ho Akbar Allah etc"he got so pissed off that he started shooting at the loudspeakers. Noone complained since Americans have already won there. I think this is an example (little known perhaps except those who do such things there) why some Middle Easterners call it a war against Islam. An average American does not know basics about other faiths. My roommate also empathized with him that why do in Islamic countries they blast out so much noise at the mosque. He did not believe that it happens in India also and he also did not believe that India has more muslims (150 million) than all Middle East put together . If India had it would also be considred "bad" but it is not so its muslim population must be less than middle East -he concluded. till I explained that India has more population than both South and North America combined or whole Africa or whole Europe together- and 150 million people is peanuts by Indian standards. I know many including myself do not approve being woken up at 4 am by the mosque 2 miles away -esp since there are hardly in muslims in the area where I lived in Jaipur. However, when I see that in almost all neighborhood parks - Hindu temples have been illegally built and they too have loud music blaring for hours -on festive season (unlike 2 minutes at atime for muslims) -what to do. Umesh Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Immigrants and hardships -essay
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Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, Loudspeakered Devotion
Simpler Still in digital phone days! Universal Devotion to gadgets or to Allah or somebody-- Just put a request-permanent-semipermanent for a wakeup call -all free mm From:Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, " Loudspeakered Devotion"Date:Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:35:10 -0800 (PST) This is what they should do: Provide frequencies to radio stations that would broadcast the "Azan" at 4 AM or whatever time. The devotees who want to get up and pray, let them keep their radios tuned to the station. They can get up when they hear the call for prayer. Thus no one else will be bothered. The Hindu temples could do the same with their radio frequencies to reach their devotees with devotional music. Will it work? Are there other complications that I don't see? Dilipmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noise pollution is not tolerable- -Of/by/for any Religion,pseudo religion,so-called-cultural-function, private celebration like Indian marriages. Certainly not with Sound-blasters. With i-POD, OK mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] some interesting links and news: In a flat worldDate:Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:03:28 + (GMT) www.serendib.us a non profit run by my former classmate at Harvard - Tucker Mccravy . he is coming to DC to look for a job - he will run his non profit alongside -while paying for it thru his salary from the job. http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/entry.php?u=jaipurschoole_id=482About Teacher Training in the Fast Mode - good and bad news A snippet: Mad shooting the loudspeakers!!: Today morning while driving back from Atlantic City in New Jersey (at Trump's TajMahal Casino and the beach - I spent 10 cents there) with my NRI kid roommate and two Indians - I learnt about a bombshell. Maybe only in this age of internet where info has become common knowledge can something like this shock a person. The NRI kid mentioned that at college (he joined it again this Jan part time) he met one of his friends ( "an American") who had just returned from Iraq as a soldier there. That fellow suffered from ADHD mental disorder and when at 4 am in the morning the mosque's loudspeakers started shouting"Allah Ho Akbar Allah etc"he got so pissed off that he started shooting at the loudspeakers. Noone complained since Americans have already won there. I think this is an example (little known perhaps except those who do such things there) why some Middle Easterners call it a war against Islam. An average American does not know basics about other faiths. My roommate also empathized with him that why do in Islamic countries they blast out so much noise at the mosque. He did not believe that it happens in India also and he also did not believe that India has more muslims (150 million) than all Middle East put together . If India had it would also be considred "bad" but it is not so its muslim population must be less than middle East -he concluded. till I explained that India has more population than both South and North America combined or whole Africa or whole Europe together- and 150 million people is peanuts by Indian standards. I know many including myself do not approve being woken up at 4 am by the mosque 2 miles away -esp since there are hardly in muslims in the area where I lived in Jaipur. However, when I see that in almost all neighborhood parks - Hindu temples have been illegally built and they too have loud music blaring for hours -on festive season (unlike 2 minutes at atime for muslims) -what to do. Umesh Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, Loudspeakered Devotion
Radio service will be cheaper for the masses than digital phone and call service, I believe. But I don't care, whichever is cheaper to operate. Down with the loudspeakers! Dilipmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Simpler Still in digital phone days! Universal Devotion to gadgets or to Allah or somebody-- Just put a request-permanent-semipermanent for a wakeup call -all free mm From:Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, " Loudspeakered Devotion"Date:Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:35:10 -0800 (PST)This is what they should do: Provide frequencies to radio stations that would broadcast the "Azan" at 4 AM or whatever time. The devotees who want to get up and pray, let them keep their radios tuned to the station. They can get up when they hear the call for prayer. Thus no one else will be bothered. The Hindu temples could do the same with their radio frequencies to reach their devotees with devotional music. Will it work? Are there other complications that I don't see? Dilipmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Noise pollution is not tolerable- -Of/by/for any Religion,pseudo religion,so-called-cultural-function, private celebration like Indian marriages. Certainly not with Sound-blasters. With i-POD, OK mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] some interesting links and news: In a flat worldDate:Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:03:28 + (GMT) www.serendib.us a non profit run by my former classmate at Harvard - Tucker Mccravy . he is coming to DC to look for a job - he will run his non profit alongside -while paying for it thru his salary from the job. http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/entry.php?u=jaipurschoole_id=482About Teacher Training in the Fast Mode - good and bad news A snippet: Mad shooting the loudspeakers!!: Today morning while driving back from Atlantic City in New Jersey (at Trump's TajMahal Casino and the beach - I spent 10 cents there) with my NRI kid roommate and two Indians - I learnt about a bombshell. Maybe only in this age of internet where info has become common knowledge can something like this shock a person. The NRI kid mentioned that at college (he joined it again this Jan part time) he met one of his friends ( "an American") who had just returned from Iraq as a soldier there. That fellow suffered from ADHD mental disorder and when at 4 am in the morning the mosque's loudspeakers started shouting"Allah Ho Akbar Allah etc"he got so pissed off that he started shooting at the loudspeakers. Noone complained since Americans have already won there. I think this is an example (little known perhaps except those who do such things there) why some Middle Easterners call it a war against Islam. An average American does not know basics about other faiths. My roommate also empathized with him that why do in Islamic countries they blast out so much noise at the mosque. He did not believe that it happens in India also and he also did not believe that India has more muslims (150 million) than all Middle East put together . If India had it would also be considred "bad" but it is not so its muslim population must be less than middle East -he concluded. till I explained that India has more population than both South and North America combined or whole Africa or whole Europe together- and 150 million people is peanuts by Indian standards. I know many including myself do not approve being woken up at 4 am by the mosque 2 miles away -esp since there are hardly in muslims in the area where I lived in Jaipur. However, when I see that in almost all neighborhood parks - Hindu temples have been illegally built and they too have loud music blaring for hours -on festive season (unlike 2 minutes at atime for muslims) -what to do. Umesh Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, Loudspeakered Devotion
Down with Loudspeakers! Down with the Idiot Box Down with "CULTURE" Down with so-called Progress! MM From:Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, " Loudspeakered Devotion"Date:Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:56:18 -0800 (PST) Radio service will be cheaper for the masses than digital phone and call service, I believe. But I don't care, whichever is cheaper to operate. Down with the loudspeakers! Dilipmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simpler Still in digital phone days! Universal Devotion to gadgets or to Allah or somebody-- Just put a request-permanent-semipermanent for a wakeup call -all free mm From:Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, " Loudspeakered Devotion"Date:Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:35:10 -0800 (PST) This is what they should do: Provide frequencies to radio stations that would broadcast the "Azan" at 4 AM or whatever time. The devotees who want to get up and pray, let them keep their radios tuned to the station. They can get up when they hear the call for prayer. Thus no one else will be bothered. The Hindu temples could do the same with their radio frequencies to reach their devotees with devotional music. Will it work? Are there other complications that I don't see? Dilipmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noise pollution is not tolerable- -Of/by/for any Religion,pseudo religion,so-called-cultural-function, private celebration like Indian marriages. Certainly not with Sound-blasters. With i-POD, OK mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] some interesting links and news: In a flat worldDate:Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:03:28 + (GMT) www.serendib.us a non profit run by my former classmate at Harvard - Tucker Mccravy . he is coming to DC to look for a job - he will run his non profit alongside -while paying for it thru his salary from the job. http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/entry.php?u=jaipurschoole_id=482About Teacher Training in the Fast Mode - good and bad news A snippet: Mad shooting the loudspeakers!!: Today morning while driving back from Atlantic City in New Jersey (at Trump's TajMahal Casino and the beach - I spent 10 cents there) with my NRI kid roommate and two Indians - I learnt about a bombshell. Maybe only in this age of internet where info has become common knowledge can something like this shock a person. The NRI kid mentioned that at college (he joined it again this Jan part time) he met one of his friends ( "an American") who had just returned from Iraq as a soldier there. That fellow suffered from ADHD mental disorder and when at 4 am in the morning the mosque's loudspeakers started shouting"Allah Ho Akbar Allah etc"he got so pissed off that he started shooting at the loudspeakers. Noone complained since Americans have already won there. I think this is an example (little known perhaps except those who do such things there) why some Middle Easterners call it a war against Islam. An average American does not know basics about other faiths. My roommate also empathized with him that why do in Islamic countries they blast out so much noise at the mosque. He did not believe that it happens in India also and he also did not believe that India has more muslims (150 million) than all Middle East put together . If India had it would also be considred "bad" but it is not so its muslim population must be less than middle East -he concluded. till I explained that India has more population than both South and North America combined or whole Africa or whole Europe together- and 150 million people is peanuts by Indian standards. I know many including myself do not approve being woken up at 4 am by the mosque 2 miles away -esp since there are hardly in muslims in the area where I lived in Jaipur. However, when I see that in almost all neighborhood parks - Hindu temples have been illegally built and they too have loud music blaring for hours -on festive season (unlike 2 minutes at atime for muslims) -what to do. Umesh Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] TIME: PhD from USA -S 030 welfare payments
Title: Re: [Assam] TIME: PhD from USA -S 030 welfare payments Hopefully, people hold themselves to higher standards than that. .. Don't you think? -:) *** What would INDIANS know about that :-)? At 8:26 PM -0600 2/20/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Dear Umesh, Finally I had to tell him that now laws are strict agianst fraud marraige and that I might have to pay up $250,000 and upto five years in jail and then be thrown back to India. then he quieted down. .. You take advantage of the laws. Since it has become more difficult ot come to US or UK many students are going to Australia , Canada etc -0taking advantage of their laws. I am surprised - but may be I am naive. Laws are man made, and there will be loop holes. That, I hope certainly does not mean one should take advantage of. But just becauseone isaware of a loop hole ( andis able to take advantage of), I hope it doesn't mean thatone would want to take that advantage, simply becausethey can get away with it. Hopefully, people hold themselves to higher standards than that. .. Don't you think? -:) --Ram da On 2/20/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram-da, You do know a lot about the system :) Incidently a well meaning uncle had been trying to pursuade me vigorously recently that I get a lawyer to get me married on paper and later divorce on paper after 2 years. He said why spend so much trying to go for H-1B visa and then for Green Card.Go straight for Green Card thru marraige. Finally I had to tell him that now laws are strict agianst fraud marraige and that I might have to pay up $250,000 and upto five years in jail and then be thrown back to India. then he quieted down. You might recall the case of a brother-sister marriage last year (from Gujarat) to help the brother get to US . It is also true that the system exists - just like the tax system -whereby one can take advantage of the various exemptions available -and work to your best advantage. Thats what these CPAs etc are for (in tax) and others for other stuff. It is upto the govt (india or US etc) to decide whether they want to give those exemptions or not and whom they want to benefit. For instance, US allows for citizenship by birth and after Green Card -- most of Europe and japan do not. You take advantage of the laws. Since it has become more difficult ot come to US or UK many students are going to Australia , Canada etc -0taking advantage of their laws. Umesh Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh, but I recollected doing an assignment doing my program at Harvard on quantitative analysis of Welfare payments in different states in USA -- and trying to see if racism and political ideologies caused them to vary so much the data was from US Gov sources: I hope Harvard isn't 'doling' out them A's like the 'welfare system' -:) That US or European poor can and do go to poor nations like India or Thailandand live well - on welfare doles Faulty assumption and theories again. The 'poor' in the US do get welfare 'doles', but it is not as easy to get those. You not only have to be poor, but also to prove every week (I think) to welfare officials that you are really poor and fill out all sorts of paperwork. I don believe one can getwelfare checks while you are globe-trotting. Welfare checks too are limited to a short period. They are expected to attend classes to learn better skills so that they can get out of it. But social welfare is just that - the moral responsibility for a society (like the US) to take care of the least fortunate amonst us. That I think, we should not begrudge nor should we attach a stigma to it. But the system needs reforms - so that only those who need to get it, get it. In fact, there are many (Indians among them too) who live pay check to pay check and are a stone's throw from welfare. Now, it may be possible to live in a country like Mexico and come here to get them checks, but thats about it. I don't where you got this, but its all humbug to say the least. But there are some 'business' people who come from India, who do take complete and absolute advantage of the system. But most of the time its illegal or they found some loophole and are scams. Here are some I have heard over the years: -Worldwide Life insurance bought on an uncle while the uncle is here. Uncle ofcourse dies while in India - the poor nephew collects -as they get the death certificate from India. JC Penny was scammed a number of times - this scam is well-known now. - Insurance on a grocery store (desi). Of course the store burns down, and the all distraught desi has lost everything, collects. Also well-known now. -Desi businesses also played around a lot with bankruptcy laws. Borrow to the hilt- declare bankruptcy, collect later from relative... The laws are now tougher. All this only show the desi view of life (albiet a small section). Pakistanis/B'deshis also included in the list. Often they think they are too damn smart for their own good. It is
Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, Loudspeakered Devotion
Title: Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, Loudspeake And DOWN WITH loud RADIO too. I was really ticked off two years back, when I went out of our ancestral home in our village before first light to record bird sounds. And just when I started recording, a neighbor's LOUD radio started playing AIR's 'devotional' music. I could have killed :-)! Even the rural quiet is now a thing of the past. At 6:56 PM -0800 2/20/06, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: Radio service will be cheaper for the masses than digital phone and call service, I believe. But I don't care, whichever is cheaper to operate. Down with the loudspeakers! Dilip mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simpler Still in digital phone days! Universal Devotion to gadgets or to Allah or somebody-- Just put a request-permanent-semipermanent for a wakeup call -all free mm From:Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC:assam@assamnet.org Subject:Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, Loudspeakered Devotion Date:Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:35:10 -0800 (PST) This is what they should do: Provide frequencies to radio stations that would broadcast the Azan at 4 AM or whatever time. The devotees who want to get up and pray, let them keep their radios tuned to the station. They can get up when they hear the call for prayer. Thus no one else will be bothered. The Hindu temples could do the same with their radio frequencies to reach their devotees with devotional music. Will it work? Are there other complications that I don't see? Dilip mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noise pollution is not tolerable- -Of/by/for any Religion,pseudo religion,so-called-cultural-function, private celebration like Indian marriages. Certainly not with Sound-blasters. With i-POD, OK mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:assam@assamnet.org Subject:[Assam] some interesting links and news: In a flat world Date:Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:03:28 + (GMT) www.serendib.us a non profit run by my former classmate at Harvard - Tucker Mccravy . he is coming to DC to look for a job - he will run his non profit alongside -while paying for it thru his salary from the job. http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/entry.php?u=jaipurschoole_id=482About Teacher Training in the Fast Mode - good and bad news A snippet: Mad shooti! ng the loudspeakers!!: Today morning while driving back from Atlantic City in New Jersey (at Trump's TajMahal Casino and the beach - I spent 10 cents there) with my NRI kid roommate and two Indians - I learnt about a bombshell. Maybe only in this age of internet where info has become common knowledge can something like this shock a person. The NRI kid mentioned that at college (he joined it again this Jan part time) he met one of his friends ( an American) who had just returned from Iraq as a soldier there. That fellow suffered from ADHD mental disorder and when at 4 am in the morning the mosque's loudspeakers started shoutingAllah Ho Akbar Allah etche got so pissed off that he started shooting at the loudspeakers. Noone complained since Americans have already won there. I think this is an example (little known perhaps except those who do such things there) why some Middle Easterners call it a war against Islam. An average Ameri! can does not know basics about other faiths. My roommate also empathized with him that why do in Islamic countries they blast out so much noise at the mosque. He did not believe that it happens in India also and he also did not believe that India has more muslims (150 million) than all Middle East put together . If India had it would also be considred bad but it is not so its muslim population must be less than middle East -he concluded. till I explained that India has more population than both South and North America combined or whole Africa or whole Europe together- and 150 million people is peanuts by Indian standards. I know many including myself do not approve being woken up at 4 am by the mosque 2 miles away -esp since there are hardly in muslims! in the area where I lived in Jaipur. However, when I see that in almost all neighborhood parks - Hindu temples have been illegally built and they too have loud music blaring for hours -on festive season (unlike 2 minutes at atime for muslims) -what to do. Umesh Umesh Sharma 5121 Lackawanna ST College Park, MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] TIME: PhD from USA -S 030 welfare payments
*** What would INDIANS know about that :-)? When Indians are good, theycan bevery, very good, and when they are bad, they can be horrid (alousy adaptationfrom Goldilocks) I think they would - after all haven't all these Indians come from yonder? -:) --Ram On 2/20/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully, people hold themselves to higher standards than that. .. Don't you think? -:) *** What would INDIANS know about that :-)? At 8:26 PM -0600 2/20/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Dear Umesh, Finally I had to tell him that now laws are strict agianst fraud marraige and that I might have to pay up $250,000 and upto five years in jail and then be thrown back to India. then he quieted down. .. You take advantage of the laws. Since it has become more difficult ot come to US or UK many students are going to Australia , Canada etc -0taking advantage of their laws. I am surprised - but may be I am naive. Laws are man made, and there will be loop holes. That, I hope certainly does not mean one should take advantage of. But just becauseone isaware of a loop hole ( andis able to take advantage of), I hope it doesn't mean thatone would want to take that advantage, simply becausethey can get away with it. Hopefully, people hold themselves to higher standards than that. .. Don't you think? -:) --Ram da On 2/20/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram-da, You do know a lot about the system :) Incidently a well meaning uncle had been trying to pursuade me vigorously recently that I get a lawyer to get me married on paper and later divorce on paper after 2 years. He said why spend so much trying to go for H-1B visa and then for Green Card.Go straight for Green Card thru marraige. Finally I had to tell him that now laws are strict agianst fraud marraige and that I might have to pay up $250,000 and upto five years in jail and then be thrown back to India. then he quieted down. You might recall the case of a brother-sister marriage last year (from Gujarat) to help the brother get to US . It is also true that the system exists - just like the tax system -whereby one can take advantage of the various exemptions available -and work to your best advantage. Thats what these CPAs etc are for (in tax) and others for other stuff. It is upto the govt (india or US etc) to decide whether they want to give those exemptions or not and whom they want to benefit. For instance, US allows for citizenship by birth and after Green Card -- most of Europe and japan do not. You take advantage of the laws. Since it has become more difficult ot come to US or UK many students are going to Australia , Canada etc -0taking advantage of their laws. Umesh Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh, but I recollected doing an assignment doing my program at Harvard on quantitative analysis of Welfare payments in different states in USA -- and trying to see if racism and political ideologies caused them to vary so much the data was from US Gov sources: I hope Harvard isn't 'doling' out them A's like the 'welfare system' -:) That US or European poor can and do go to poor nations like India or Thailandand live well - on welfare doles Faulty assumption and theories again. The 'poor' in the US do get welfare 'doles', but it is not as easy to get those. You not only have to be poor, but also to prove every week (I think) to welfare officials that you are really poor and fill out all sorts of paperwork. I don believe one can getwelfare checks while you are globe-trotting. Welfare checks too are limited to a short period. They are expected to attend classes to learn better skills so that they can get out of it. But social welfare is just that - the moral responsibility for a society (like the US) to take care of the least fortunate amonst us. That I think, we should not begrudge nor should we attach a stigma to it. But the system needs reforms - so that only those who need to get it, get it. In fact, there are many (Indians among them too) who live pay check to pay check and are a stone's throw from welfare. Now, it may be possible to live in a country like Mexico and come here to get them checks, but thats about it. I don't where you got this, but its all humbug to say the least. But there are some 'business' people who come from India, who do take complete and absolute advantage of the system. But most of the time its illegal or they found some loophole and are scams. Here are some I have heard over the years: -Worldwide Life insurance bought on an uncle while the uncle is here. Uncle ofcourse dies while in India - the poor nephew collects -as they get the death certificate from India. JC Penny was scammed a number of times - this scam is well-known now. - Insurance on a grocery store (desi). Of course the store burns down, and the all distraught desi has lost everything, collects. Also well-known now. -Desi businesses also played around a lot with bankruptcy laws. Borrow to the hilt-
[Assam] Assam’s media ignores a new Sena - Med ia South Asia
An interesting piece by Thakuria. This is from late Dec. last year, but still poses some interesting questions. Is the media in Assam lacking analytical skills? Or, as this piece suggests they are not eager to talk about AASU. the otherwise responsive media in Assam remained unwilling to handle the issue proficiently. - Thakuria I had the feeling, that generally, the media was not that responsive. The editorial of the prominent daily published from Shillong argued that every one would agree with the 'need to preserve the cultural diversity of India while recognising the importance of establishing a pan-Indian identity' . However, also added in the editorial, 'the culture of a polyglot country with a wide geographical variety has to be a composite one-the parts integrating into a holistic entity. Thakuria Any takers? __ Assam's media ignores a new Sena Till date no major newspaper of Assam had either published editorials on Asom Sena or analytical pieces on the development. Nava Thakuria The media in Western India may be pre-occupied with the Shiv Sena, but the newspapers in Assam are focused on the emergence of another ultra regional outfit named Asom Sena that has taken the pledge to safeguard the socio-political rights of the indigenous people of Assam. In fact, the birth of a new outfit with the initiative of All Assam Students Union (AASU) at the end of the year 2005 was a major polticial development of Assam as well as the Northeast. Amidst the gun totting youth in the North Eastern part of India, Assam has recently been gifted with another brand of Sena (literary meaning soldier). Where, the armed cadres of different outfits have declared themselves as 'revolutionary soldiers' fighting against New Delhi's 'colonial approach' to the North East, the newly formed 'Asom Sena' (the soldiers of Assam) has vowed to fight against the imposition of vulgarity in the name of culture in this part of the country. The center of Vaishnavite culture in lower Assam, Barpeta had witnessed the formation of the vigilante group named Asom Sena on December 8 last. The once powerful students organization, AASU that initiated the historic Assam Agitation in the eighties, has created the outfit to carry out its agenda in an 'aggressive way'. As declared by the prime architect of the outfit, Samujjal Bhattacharya Asom Sena would function as a front of the AASU and Asom Unnati Sabha. The deprivation of local youths in the matters of appointment in various departments of the governments both in New Delhi and Dipsur (Guwahati) will be a major issue to be taken up by Asom Sena, reiterated the long time advisor to AASU. Asom Sena is also suppose to work tirelessly to strengthen the existing bond of unity among the different ethnic and religious communities in Assam. Elected as the chief advisor to the ultra regionalist non-political pressure group, Mr Bhattacharya had repeatedly stated that Asom Sena would function as a 'non-violent organisation' denying any kind of speculation that the outfit would take on the form of a militant group in future. The volunteers of Asom Sena will never pursue violent activities and remain as a non-political group. Though it may adopt a radical stand in need on the issues of regional interests, claimed the long lasting influential student leader of Northeast, Mr Bhattacharyya. While it was expected that the sensible local media of Assam would provide abundant space for discussion relating to the birth and the consequence of Asom Sena in the Northeastern political arena, the media in Assam showed little interest in analyzing the development. The local media provided considerable space for the news items narrating the birth of Asom Sena, but did not sufficiently discuss the implication of the new brand of soldiers in the region. Surprisingly enough, no major newspaper of Assam had either published editorials on Asom Sena or analytical pieces on the outcome till date. Only, 'The Shillong Times', a Meghalaya based newspaper had dubbed the move of AASU to have formed Asom Sena with the object of 'cultural policing' as alarming. The second oldest English daily from Northeast after 'The Assam Tribune', in its editorial titled 'Cultural Chauvinism' on December 14 argued that the AASU leaders had fuelled sub-nationalism by mounting an offensive against Indians from other states since long back. The editorial of the prominent daily published from Shillong argued that every one would agree with the 'need to preserve the cultural diversity of India while recognising the importance of establishing a pan-Indian identity'. However, also added in the editorial, 'the culture of a polyglot country with a wide geographical variety has to be a composite one-the parts integrating into a holistic entity. Assam has for years been plagued by a sense of isolation from the Indian mainstream and this has spawned a narrow chauvinism.' The concept of Asom
Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, Loudspeakered Devotion
Speech/Culture/Progress/Growth of GDP/ 10-fold increase of airlines passengers--Socrates would turn in his grave. Do you think there will be another Shakespeare in this polluted world. We do need a big Correction -maybe from a passing meteorite mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED], mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, " Loudspeakered Devotion"Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:13:06 -0600 And DOWN WITH loud RADIO too. I was really ticked off two years back, when I went out of our ancestral home in our village before first light to record bird sounds. And just when I started recording, a neighbor's LOUD radio started playing AIR's 'devotional' music. I could have killed :-)! Even the rural quiet is now a thing of the past. At 6:56 PM -0800 2/20/06, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: Radio service will be cheaper for the masses than digital phone and call service, I believe. But I don't care, whichever is cheaper to operate. Down with the loudspeakers! Dilipmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simpler Still in digital phone days! Universal Devotion to gadgets or to Allah or somebody-- Just put a request-permanent-semipermanent for a wakeup call -all free mm From:Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] links and news: In a flat world, " Loudspeakered Devotion"Date:Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:35:10 -0800 (PST) This is what they should do: Provide frequencies to radio stations that would broadcast the "Azan" at 4 AM or whatever time. The devotees who want to get up and pray, let them keep their radios tuned to the station. They can get up when they hear the call for prayer. Thus no one else will be bothered. The Hindu temples could do the same with their radio frequencies to reach their devotees with devotional music. Will it work? Are there other complications that I don't see? Dilipmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noise pollution is not tolerable- -Of/by/for any Religion,pseudo religion,so-called-cultural-function, private celebration like Indian marriages. Certainly not with Sound-blasters. With i-POD, OK mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] some interesting links and news: In a flat worldDate:Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:03:28 + (GMT) www.serendib.us a non profit run by my former classmate at Harvard - Tucker Mccravy . he is coming to DC to look for a job - he will run his non profit alongside -while paying for it thru his salary from the job. http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/entry.php?u=jaipurschoole_id=482About Teacher Training in the Fast Mode - good and bad news A snippet: Mad shooti! ng the loudspeakers!!: Today morning while driving back from Atlantic City in New Jersey (at Trump's TajMahal Casino and the beach - I spent 10 cents there) with my NRI kid roommate and two Indians - I learnt about a bombshell. Maybe only in this age of internet where info has become common knowledge can something like this shock a person. The NRI kid mentioned that at college (he joined it again this Jan part time) he met one of his friends ( "an American") who had just returned from Iraq as a soldier there. That fellow suffered from ADHD mental disorder and when at 4 am in the morning the mosque's loudspeakers started shouting"Allah Ho Akbar Allah etc"he got so pissed off that he started shooting at the loudspeakers. Noone complained since Americans have already won there. I think this is an example (little known perhaps except those who do such things there) why some Middle Easterners call it a war against Islam. An average Ameri! can does not know basics about other faiths. My roommate also empathized with him that why do in Islamic countries they blast out so much noise at the mosque. He did not believe that it happens in India also and he also did not believe that India has more muslims (150 million) than all Middle East put together . If India had it would also be considred "bad" but it is not so its muslim population must be less than middle East -he concluded. till I explained that India has more population than both South and North America combined or whole Africa or whole Europe together- and 150 million people is peanuts by Indian standards. I know many including myself do not approve being woken up at 4 am by the mosque 2 miles away -esp since there are hardly in muslims! in the area where I lived in Jaipur. However, when I see that in almost all neighborhood parks - Hindu temples have been illegally built and they too have loud music blaring for hours -on festive season (unlike 2 minutes at atime for muslims) -what to do. Umesh Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 207401-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005 Yahoo!
Re: [Assam] Thank You, Merci Beaucoup, Shukhria, Dhanyavada :)
Congratualtions Harish, in completeing the Marathon even with a bad knee. That is like 4.1/3 miles per hour. And thank you for doing it for NE. Wish you all the best in your journey for AID-NE. We are all behind you. Rajen Barua Houston - Original Message - From: Harish Sharma To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Thank You, Merci Beaucoup, Shukhria, Dhanyavada :) Yesterday was a memorable day!! I ran my first marathon in some tough weather conditions and with a bad injury during the run. My goal was to finish in about five hours but i took much longer (close to six hours) because of a severe knee problem I developed around the ninth mile. You trusted in me and in my cause. You believed in my committment not just for the marathon but also for the work that AID is doing. Believe me very few of my close ones did what you did. I am forever thankful to you for this wonderful gesture. Your support kept me going all through the training and especially on the big day.In all I raised $800 for the North East livelihood generation project. I know that this is only 1/3rd of my original goal (of $2600). But I am not giving up. I am confident that there are more people like you in this world and money will pour in. I strongly encourage you to learn more about this project at http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/aidaustin/projects/RVC-Dhemaji/index.htmlFrom my side I will keep you posted on how your money is being spent on this project. Once again thank you so much. I would not have been able to run yesterday without your support.Best RegardsHarish ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org