Re: [Blackbelly] Lamb with the runs (Julian Hale)
At 04:38 PM 3/18/2010, you wrote: Interesting, Julian. I've always read that sulfa-based drugs have side effects and Corid has no known/proven side effects. I got hit hard with scours several times with our three bottle-ewes and a pygmy goat last year. I started with Albon and read up on how it works and was desperate for something even more effective, or to work with it. snip How CORID works Structurally, CORID mimics thiamin (Vitamin B1) which is required by coccidia for normal growth and reproduction. When coccidia ingest CORID, they experience thiamin deficiency and starve from malnutrition. CORID has been experimentally administered at many times the recommended dosage and duration with no signs of toxicity. Sorry for the late reply, I lost this message in all the hustle and bustle lately. This is the problem with Corid, it inhibits thiamin uptake in the rumen, and leads to a B1 deficiency. I've read that Rumensin and related drugs are a good preventative, you could try that. I've seen plenty of Sweetlix blocks that contain rumensin. I'm not really big on pharmaceuticals in general, and usually prefer the older types when I use one, since the safety is well known and long established. This can cause a condition called polioencephalomalacia, which quickly leads to death. I'll take the sulfadimethoxine... Julian ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Lamb with the runs (Julian Hale)
Julian Hale wrote: At 04:38 PM 3/18/2010, you wrote: Interesting, Julian. I've always read that sulfa-based drugs have side effects and Corid has no known/proven side effects. I got hit hard with scours several times with our three bottle-ewes and a pygmy goat last year. I started with Albon and read up on how it works and was desperate for something even more effective, or to work with it. snip How CORID works Structurally, CORID mimics thiamin (Vitamin B1) which is required by coccidia for normal growth and reproduction. When coccidia ingest CORID, they experience thiamin deficiency and starve from malnutrition. CORID has been experimentally administered at many times the recommended dosage and duration with no signs of toxicity. Sorry for the late reply, I lost this message in all the hustle and bustle lately. This is the problem with Corid, it inhibits thiamin uptake in the rumen, and leads to a B1 deficiency. I've read that Rumensin and related drugs are a good preventative, you could try that. I've seen plenty of Sweetlix blocks that contain rumensin. I'm not really big on pharmaceuticals in general, and usually prefer the older types when I use one, since the safety is well known and long established. This can cause a condition called polioencephalomalacia, which quickly leads to death. I'll take the sulfadimethoxine... Julian ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Immodium will also work if you cannot find any bacterial reason for it... It takes about 2 pills. I grind it up and mix it in Kaopectate drench. Also Colostrum powder works well in Kaopectate. I have mixed both in a coctail to cure stubborn scours... It works. Cecil in oKla Cecil in OKla ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Lamb with the runs
At 09:43 PM 3/17/2010, you wrote: I would try probios or a type of it or just mix some colustrum in her bottle. I have fed colustrum ro bottle babies for over 8 weeks to keep their gut healthy. It works on some and some it doesn't. Cecil in OKla Yes, Pro-biotics would be a good idea, also try kaolin-pectin to stop up her system a bit, and make sure she gets electrolytes. It seems like she's too young to have worms, but I always worry about coccidia in lambs/kids. Sulfadimethoxine(just about every feed store carries it) treats coccidiosis well, but IMO you should stay away from Corrid(amprolium), because of side effects. http://fiascofarm.com/goats/medications.htm#sulfadimenthoxine ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Lamb with the runs (Julian Hale)
From: Julian Hale jbh...@comcast.net Yes, Pro-biotics would be a good idea, also try kaolin-pectin to stop up her system a bit, and make sure she gets electrolytes. It seems like she's too young to have worms, but I always worry about coccidia in lambs/kids. Sulfadimethoxine(just about every feed store carries it) treats coccidiosis well, but IMO you should stay away from Corrid(amprolium), because of side effects. http://fiascofarm.com/goats/medications.htm#sulfadimenthoxine Interesting, Julian. I've always read that sulfa-based drugs have side effects and Corid has no known/proven side effects. I got hit hard with scours several times with our three bottle-ewes and a pygmy goat last year. I started with Albon and read up on how it works and was desperate for something even more effective, or to work with it. The thing that was the most frustrating for me was: they'd get over it-- and in a week, they would have it again. which made me want to search for a preventative. In any case, I now use both Albon and Corid (and electrolytes and probiotics) for an outbreak. Corid in the morning, Albon in the evening--both as an oral drench shot into the mouth. You can't mix them, they break down right before your eyes--into a white, globby mess. I have not used Corid in low-doses for prevention, although, I might try it this year, mainly because it is relatively safe according to everything I could read. But the claim Corid is palatable has not been proven true for me, so I have to drench the lambs when I give it... and I've tasted it. I feel sorry for them. This is their site, and they claim it has no side effects up to many times the prescribed dose, but if there were known side-effects, it would be in their best interest to list them, as with any drug you read about or see on TV: http://www.corid.com/corid_products.html How CORID works Structurally, CORID mimics thiamin (Vitamin B1) which is required by coccidia for normal growth and reproduction. When coccidia ingest CORID, they experience thiamin deficiency and starve from malnutrition. CORID has been experimentally administered at many times the recommended dosage and duration with no signs of toxicity. When CORID works CORID stops coccidia at a critical stage in the host animal's small intestine to prevent more damaging coccidiosis in the large intestine. By acting on the young asexual stages of the coccidia life cycle, CORID allows exposure to first-generation schizonts, so the host animal can develop natural immunity to coccidia. This makes CORID effective as a preventive therapy. Whereas Sulfa drugs have a few known and documented side-effects, but are good at killing Coccidia in the later stages: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/sulfadimethoxine.html Here's a study that likes Corid for prevention for entire herds and recommends Sulfa drugs (Albon) for individuals who are currently sick. They say Corid may cause a problem with prolonged use, but they don't back it up with any studies or facts: http://www.cvm.missouri.edu/favpdseries/Course%20I/Homework%20Reading/Food%20Animal%20Diseases/Cattle%20Diseases/Coccidiosis.doc a quote: Long-term use of amprolium is contraindicated because it may lead to unwanted side effects associated with impaired thiamin metabolism. But this is for people putting Corid in the water of an entire herd for long periods, and is based upon the knowledge that Corid acts by mimicking thiamine and starving the coccidia of it. Their supposition is that it might prevent the host animal from getting enough thiamine, but again, no proof or studies in the footnotes. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Lamb with the runs
I would try probios or a type of it or just mix some colustrum in her bottle. I have fed colustrum ro bottle babies for over 8 weeks to keep their gut healthy. It works on some and some it doesn't. Cecil in OKla - Original Message - From: Double J Farms doublejfa...@wildblue.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:25 PM Subject: [Blackbelly] Lamb with the runs We have a 3 week old bottle baby that has had a runny stool for just over a week. Tried the Pepto dosing - twice, cut back on the milk formula, substituting a feeding with water or gator-aid. Nothing seems to help. Color is normal (dark brown) and she seems perfectly healthy and happy. She lives with the flock and has access to pasture, hay and daily gain. She knows where the water bowl is. We have noticed that when she comes up for air while sucking down 12-16 oz of milk, she will occasionally sneeze - from both ends! Any ideas or suggestions? John Carlton Double J Farms ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info