Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, March 20th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)
Hi Heiko, all, Am 22.03.23 um 10:57 schrieb Heiko Tietze: On 22.03.23 10:44, Andreas Mantke wrote: what is the reason for this biting tone of your reply? Thorsten's reply is not biting, neither I read Cor's question as aggressive why you ask. The answer with keeping the show running is reasonable given the challenges we face, although a bit pity for the project. if I didn't miss anything you have not been in the call this Monday and according to the minutes of former BoD calls you have not been in those meetings at least for a longer time. If you would have participated in the call I'm sure you would have a similar feeling. You would have recognized the facial expression and the gesture connected to the questions. Thus with your professional background this should have given you a different assessment on the situation. For me the target course of the questions was very obvious. And I think other participants in the call got the same perception. And about the answer: your expectations on a chairman of the board and on the board seemed to be very low. I don't know if the members and donors of TDF would share your expectations. Turning things positively means to not just ask for sake of asking but to give ideas how to improve. Something like "it would be good to define milestones for the board", ideally with your personal view. The question was put to the chairman of the board. I wasn't asked to be the prompter of the chairman. I think he and the members of the board will be able to answer questions themselves without my assistance. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog:http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, March 20th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)
On 22.03.23 10:44, Andreas Mantke wrote: what is the reason for this biting tone of your reply? Thorsten's reply is not biting, neither I read Cor's question as aggressive why you ask. The answer with keeping the show running is reasonable given the challenges we face, although a bit pity for the project. Turning things positively means to not just ask for sake of asking but to give ideas how to improve. Something like "it would be good to define milestones for the board", ideally with your personal view. -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, March 20th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)
Hi Thorsten, all, what is the reason for this biting tone of your reply? Am 21.03.23 um 22:35 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Andreas, dear list. Andreas Mantke wrote: I sense it very disturbing that the board put this topic on the agenda and the chairman was not able to answer an easy and clear question from the community during the call. Full minutes are due soon, excerpt below to clarify: * What has been your most important personal achievements in the interest of the foundation since you took over as chairman around one year ago? (Stephan) * running board in a difficult time, getting decisions made (Thorsten) I made some notes myself and you forgot to mention the second part of your reply to Stephan: * you wonder if we are already in election mode (This can be perceived as an attempt intimidation in this context. It stops the questioner. But it also mirrors the nervousness with getting such question.) * what's the relevance of raising this right now? (Cor) And this was an aggressive behavior of a board member against a community member. @Thorsten: why you didn't stop this behavior, rebuked the attacker or protected the ones asking? * if there's concerns - perhaps ask directly or 1:1? (Thorsten) From my notes you told that this could be discussed on the mailing list too, and not only for concerns, but if there is honestly interest (on an answer to that question). While that's not exactly a print-ready answer from me, I fail to see where responding to questions was ducked. If you'd look on your above answer from the perspective of the community and also from the donors to TDF, what would be your perception? Did you get any idea which important achievement for the foundation you reached during the last year? That a chair of the board and its meetings are able to run a successful decision making process seemed to be nothing outstanding (important). It is the usual job description. But there is enough space in the other thread (https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/2023/msg00072.html) to extend your answer and give the community more insight, what seriously were your important achievements for the foundation during your first year as chairman of the board. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, March 20th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)
Hi Andreas, dear list. Andreas Mantke wrote: > I sense it very disturbing that the board put this topic on the agenda > and the chairman was not able to answer an easy and clear question from > the community during the call. > Full minutes are due soon, excerpt below to clarify: * What has been your most important personal achievements in the interest of the foundation since you took over as chairman around one year ago? (Stephan) * running board in a difficult time, getting decisions made (Thorsten) * what's the relevance of raising this right now? (Cor) * if there's concerns - perhaps ask directly or 1:1? (Thorsten) While that's not exactly a print-ready answer from me, I fail to see where responding to questions was ducked. Andreas, you're now a member of TDF again, after a longer period of absence. As a fellow board of trustees member, I honestly wonder, how can we encourage you to contribute positively to this project? We've had a friendly conversation during FrOSCon, but you otherwise seem mostly busy hounding people and finding (perceived) fault. That's not how it should be. All the best, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, March 20th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)
Hi all, Am 16.03.23 um 23:27 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Dear community, find below the agenda for our TDF board meeting with a public part, and followed by a private part on Monday, March 20 at 1800 Berlin time at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/TDFBoard For time zone conversion, see e.g. https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?p1=37=49=107=20230320T18 ## AGENDA: ### Public Part 1. Answering questions from the community (tdf-board, 5 mins) Rationale: Provide an opportunity for the community to ask questions to the board and about TDF I sense it very disturbing that the board put this topic on the agenda and the chairman was not able to answer an easy and clear question from the community during the call. And even more unsettling and in no way appropriate are the attacks of a board member on community members, especially questioning for a justification about asking that question. The board member also stated that he expect from the community members to announce the subject of a question in advance of the call. The chairman of the board, who was also chair of the meeting, didn't intervene, stopped this attack, rebuked the attacker or protected the ones asking. This shows that some members of the board are not willing to hear any serious question from the community during the call. I'd remind the board that it was elected by the community and has to do its work in the best interest of the community and the foundation. This includes a fair interaction with all community / foundation members. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Questions from the community (was Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, March 20th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1))
Hi Thorsten, board, all, Am 16.03.23 um 23:27 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Dear community, find below the agenda for our TDF board meeting with a public part, and followed by a private part on Monday, March 20 at 1800 Berlin time at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/TDFBoard For time zone conversion, see e.g. https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?p1=37=49=107=20230320T18 ## AGENDA: ### Public Part 1. Answering questions from the community (tdf-board, 5 mins) Rationale: Provide an opportunity for the community to ask questions to the board and about TDF during the call a question from the community was asked to the chairman, but he declined to give an answer in the call. But he said that the question could be asked on this mailing list, if there is a real interest. I think there is no doubt that there is a high and valuable interest for an answer of the chairman to that question. Thus I ask this question - as requested - here: Thorsten: You took over the position of the chairman of the board about one year ago. What have been your most important personal achievements in the interest of the foundation during this year? i'd be interested in the answers of the other board members too, what were their most important personal achievements in the interest of the foundation during this last year. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog:http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
