SV: The Uplift War - The Humble Beginning (Was Re^17)
By 'active' I merely meant people who weren't just lurking, but occasionally posting their opinion on the matter. Perhaps even reading along. Sincerely Malmkvist -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: David Hobby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. juli 2003 02:52 Til: David Brin Mailing List Emne: Re:The Uplift War - The Humble Beginning (Was Re^17) Martin Malmkvist wrote: I think this is going to be very interesting, but I'm a little curious: How many people feel like actively joining in? It would be a major bugger to write posts to myself :) I'm shaky on what 'active' means, but I'm in. ---David Bring on the Garthlings! [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW! [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
The Uplift War - The Humble Beginning (Was Re^17)
I have read it before. How about the rest of you guys? Have you read it? Of course this question is only relevant if you consider participating in the discussion. I don't really care which method we chose. If as much as a single person who hasn't read the book wants to participate, I recommend just assuming no one did. Sincerely Oretwig -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: David Hobby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. juli 2003 14:02 Til: David Brin Mailing List Emne: Re:SV: The Uplift War - The Humble Beginning (Was Re^17) Martin Malmkvist wrote: By 'active' I merely meant people who weren't just lurking, but occasionally posting their opinion on the matter. Perhaps even reading along. O.K.. By the way, I've got a question about protocol. Are we assuming that everyone has already read the entire book, and that we're doing a chapter-by-chapter discussion? Last time I did one of these, some people were reading the book for the first time as we discussed it. This made it hard to refer to passages from later parts of the book during the discussion. ---David [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW! [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
The Uplift War - The Humble Beginning (Was Re^17)
Well, if you feel like participating, I say we ought to do it chapter by chapter. Med Venlig Hilsen / Sincerely Martin Malmkvist -- Behold the monster with the pointed tail. Who cleaves the hills and breaketh walls and weapons. Behold Him who infecteth all the World. - Dante: The Inferno, verse 17 --- -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jorpho [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. juli 2003 15:53 Til: David Brin Mailing List Emne: Re:The Uplift War - The Humble Beginning (Was Re^17) I for one have read this book. (I bought it six years ago when I was on a school trip to London, England, as Brin books were rather hard to find locally at the time. I'll probably never see the edition I purchased ever again. Makes a nice souvenier.) -J - Original Message - From: Martin Malmkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Brin Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: The Uplift War - The Humble Beginning (Was Re^17) I have read it before. How about the rest of you guys? Have you read it? Of course this question is only relevant if you consider participating in the discussion. I don't really care which method we chose. If as much as a single person who hasn't read the book wants to participate, I recommend just assuming no one did. Sincerely Oretwig -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: David Hobby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. juli 2003 14:02 Til: David Brin Mailing List Emne: Re:SV: The Uplift War - The Humble Beginning (Was Re^17) Martin Malmkvist wrote: By 'active' I merely meant people who weren't just lurking, but occasionally posting their opinion on the matter. Perhaps even reading along. O.K.. By the way, I've got a question about protocol. Are we assuming that everyone has already read the entire book, and that we're doing a chapter-by-chapter discussion? Last time I did one of these, some people were reading the book for the first time as we discussed it. This made it hard to refer to passages from later parts of the book during the discussion. ---David [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW! [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW! [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW! [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
The Uplift War - The Humble Beginning
Cancel that last one. Found the mail. Med Venlig Hilsen / Sincerely Martin Malmkvist -- Behold the monster with the pointed tail. Who cleaves the hills and breaketh walls and weapons. Behold Him who infecteth all the World. - Dante: The Inferno, verse 17 --- - Original Message - From: Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Brin Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: Re:The Uplift War - The Humble Beginning At Stardate 20030707.1915, Martin Malmkvist wrote: Since I voted for The Uplift War I believe I'm a natural volunteer for the task. So I'll get straight to it. Thanks for volunteering! I really appreciate it! :-) The first post will be at least a couple of days, since I just have to study the links you provided and read the first couple of chapters. Just take it one chapter at a time. Heck, feel free to only summarise the Prelude for now; that one is only a few pages, it'll be a good exercise to help you prepare for the real work of summarising the various chapters. I think this is going to be very interesting, but I'm a little curious: How many people feel like actively joining in? It would be a major bugger to write posts to myself :) I certainly plan to participate. I'd also expect that at least everyone who voted for _The Uplift War_ would participate. There's little point in voting for a specific book to analyse when you don't want to take part in the discussion. Jeroen van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW! [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
Re:Re:Re:Re:Brin Book Analysis - But Which Book?
I'm on. Could someone provide a link to the other list's analysis, please, because I'm not entirely sure which lines to work along. Med Venlig Hilsen / Sincerely Martin Malmkvist -- Behold the monster with the pointed tail. Who cleaves the hills and breaketh walls and weapons. Behold Him who infecteth all the World. - Dante: The Inferno, verse 17 --- - Original Message - From: Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Brin Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: Re:Re:Re:Brin Book Analysis - But Which Book? At Stardate 20030630.2058, I wrote: That means that we'll now have to vote again to choose between _The Uplift War_ and _Kiln People_. Votes that have already been cast for either of these titles still count, so if you've already voted for one of them, you won't have to repeat it. The voting booth will be open till the end of the weekend. On Monday I'll again tally the votes and announce the winner. If it's a tie again, I'll make the final decision myself. This is a reminder that you can still cast your vote for either _The Uplift War_ or _Kiln People_. Come on you lurkers! Join in! :-) Meanwhile, you may want to start thinking about who will do the initial reading and summarising of each chapter. IMHO, that should be someone who voted for that particular book in the first round. You know, something like you do the crime, you do the time. :-) Any volunteers yet? Jeroen van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW! [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
SV: Independence Day
Sure. I meant to wish everybody a happy 4th of July (I also hope my 4th of July will be good, but its not special to me), but that came to me too late. The mail was already sent, and I didn't want to spam the list. Besides, I didn't realise that this was a special day for the Canadians as well. Happa Canada Day to all Canadians :D Med Venlig Hilsen / Sincerely Martin Malmkvist -- Behold the monster with the pointed tail. Who cleaves the hills and breaketh walls and weapons. Behold Him who infecteth all the World. - Dante: The Inferno, verse 17 --- [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
Re:Re:Re:It's not just Bowie, or is it?
I don't know if I got Ibrahim's message right, but I think that there is no real idea in continuing this discussion. The original purpose was to highlight some probable causes why there is so much anti-americanism out there, and I think those reasons have been thoroughly clarified (and the Americans on the list have also had the opportunity to defend the ways of their country). So I'm officially off this discussion - meant in no offensive way, it's been good learning. The Brin-part: As stated earlier, I only read the three first books. Still, I find it interesting that Humanity discovers that it is only one insignificant little race in a society of vastly more powerful (and in many cases hostile) races. A few hundred years ago we also gradually started to learn that the Earth wasn't the center of the Universe. In fact Earth is a small planet in a solar system centered on a medium-sized sun located in the outer rim of our galaxy. So what should be so special about Humanity? It also presents Earth with some interesting challenges. And fortunately it had the blind luck to meet the Tymbrimi (wasn't it them?) and not, for example, the Tandu. Med Venlig Hilsen / Sincerely Martin Malmkvist -- Behold the monster with the pointed tail. Who cleaves the hills and breaketh walls and weapons. Behold Him who infecteth all the World. - Dante: The Inferno, verse 17 --- [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
SV: It's not just Bowie, or is it?
Wow, thanks Richard. I really appreciate that mail from you :) Perhaps I should underline that the pulitzer-prize-part was just me kidding - I didn't mean to show off or anything. I'm also happy that we agree, although I don't think that my conclusions or speculations are completely unassailable (I'm not a historian, just a humble layman). Med Venlig Hilsen / Sincerely Martin Malmkvist -- Martin said: Might as well let Jan and Jeroen sort this out for themselves. I also wrote two pulitzer-prize-grade-mails, but they were ignored. You wrote the mails I would've written if I hadn't just spent a week in bed with labyrinthitis. As far as I can see, you won the argument so conclusively that no reply is possible. Rich [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
SV: It's not just Bowie, or is it?
I agree. Also on your last point. Martin Malmkvist --- You're welcome, and thank you for saving me all that typing. I'll just add a few notes. Firstly, as far as I can see the collapse of the Third Reich was caused by lack of resources, most especially the shortage of oil. It's almost pitiful to read how the main strategy of the Wehrmacht during the Battle of the Bulge was to capture Allied fuel dumps to allow continued fighting; or to compare the very small number of Luftwaffe aircraft still operational during the D Day landings with those deployed during the Battle of Britain. Secondly, that this known shortage of oil was behind the gigantic pincer movement stragegy that attempted to secure oil through the Caucasus or Egypt, and that this meant that the most important Allied victories were at Stalingrad and el-Alamein, which stopped this lunge for oil. (Similarly, the most important bombing campaign may have been the bombing of facilities in the Romanian oilfields by the Soviets.) Thirdly, the main US contribution to the war effort in terms of the final victory was provided by the vast flood of lend-lease goods into Britain and the Soviet Union (it's often said that the Red Army marched to Berlin in American boots), and in the Battle of the Atlantic that helped keep the supply routes to Britain and Murmansk open. Having said all that, I think it's pretty wonderful that Western Europe was finally liberated by the American, Canadian and British forces and not by the Red Army. Rich [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
It's not just Bowie, or is it?
Hey Jorpho Might as well let Jan and Jeroen sort this out for themselves. I also wrote two pulitzer-prize-grade-mails, but they were ignored. *My* incredible knowledge :'( It was art, I tell you. Anyway. Nice one with the toxins in Vietnam. Sincerely The Forsaken M. Malmkvist :o] [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
World War 2 Myths (Was: It's not just Bowie or is it?)
some bombs on a small forest. This may is probably a very important reason why the percentages in both categories are so high). Med Venlig Hilsen / Sincerely Martin Malmkvist [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
Addition to World War 2 Myths (Was: It's not just Bowie or is it?)
Note that the formerly posted statistics were not compiled by a shabby for forgetful European historian, but by an American. See the About me-link on the page, I linked to. Med Venlig Hilsen / Sincerely Martin Malmkvist [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
Correction to Addition to World War 2 Myths (Was: It's not just Bowie or is it?)
Darn it, another error. Note that the formerly posted statistics were not compiled by a shabby for forgetful European historian, but by an American. See the About me-link on the page, I linked to. Should have been: Note that the formerly posted statistics were not compiled by a shabby or forgetful European historian, but by an American. See the About me-link on the page, I linked to. Med Venlig Hilsen / Sincerely Martin Malmkvist [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
SV: Waiting for Harry Potter?
Funny you should bring it up. I never read one of those books. My girlfriend (who otherwise don't read much) read them all, and has urged me to read them too, soon. I just haven't gotten around to it (and yes - there is also the kiddy-litterature issue which I'm trying to ignore). It's really silly because I love to read fantasy and sci-fi, so I'm sitting with the feeling, that I'm missing something, yet I can't get myself to start reading those books. Right now I'm reading a book about Islam, written by a prominent Danish immigrant to help understanding both sides of the story (Western vs. Islamic). Not much fun - but educative none the less. Martin Malmkvist -Oprindelig meddelelse-Fra: Jim D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sendt: 13. juni 2003 11:12Til: David Brin Mailing ListEmne: Waiting for Harry Potter? Well not quite on topic, but what my next read will be. Two years I had not read a HP book. When I saw people my age reading them I could not believe that they were reading books for kids. Finally someone who has good recommendations almost forced me to read the first one. What fun! Now I'm waiting anxiously for the arrival of the newest book. My problem right now is that I finished my current book and do not want to start another as I will probably not be finished by the time the new HP arrives. (Time to catch up on magazines.) So how many others are waiting? Anyone else going to buy it the first weekend it is available? How many think it is still a kids book and will not read it? Anyone just not care? Jim
SV: STOP THE SPAM!
Sc. Med venlig hilsen / Sincerely Martin Malmkvist -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Heather Shimokawa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 11. juni 2003 02:06 Til: David Brin Mailing List Emne: Re:STOP THE SPAM! Erik just told me that we have a listowner here who is intolerant, fascist, and a spammer. Ironic, considering that Jeroen called the listowner of the real Brin-L list intolerant, when it is really Jeroen who is at fault here. He blames his problems on other people. Jeroen was responsible for spamming the list, and he takes out his frustrations by intolerantly and fascistly unsubscribing Erik. This is the type of listowner this poor copy of the real Brin-L has. Don't you think you should unsubscribe from this fascist list and join the real Brin-L? The one that was smart enough to BAN Jeroen for death threats and repeated spamming. Do you really want to be on a list where the list owner makes death threats and spams people and blames others for his crimes? Someone who can't tolerate others to express their opinions? --- Listowner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Stardate 20030610.2322, Erik Reuter wrote: Yes, Jeroen did, by repeatedly spamming me. It is not my fault, I repeat, you need to stop blaming me and take it up with Jeroen. He is totally responsible, I am not. You are responsible. It was *your* decision to start spamming this list. Anyway, as spamming will not be tolerated here, immediately after this message is sent you will be unsubscribed. Have a nice day. Jeroen van Baardwijk, Listowner _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW! [Sponsored by:] _ The newest lyrics on the Net! http://lyrics.astraweb.com Click NOW!
