Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
Kuba Ober wrote: The requirements are very simple: 1. easy access to toplevel (with line-editing) 2. editor which can send stuff to toplevel, points to errors in source code, and is not Emacs. I've been reading through this thread and it all seems like a 300-liner in Qt/C++ (yes, it's that powerful) (excluding syntax definition for Qt's editor widget, if one doesn't exist somewhere for grabs). I should have added a 0-th requirement: 0. easy to install on Windows. This means that anything which requires more than clicking on setup.exe and following some instructions is out of the question (which is why, for example, drocaml is out of question). Is there a non-Cygwin (mingw?) version of Ocaml for Windows that's good enough for you? If so, I will tackle it over the weekend. My numerical methods prof was looking for something like that too. Just give me a pointer to a non-Cygwin version of Ocaml that works for you; I refuse to deal with anything that has Cygwin in it :) It appear that you really are Santa Claus, as you are offering presents. By the way: On Friday 26 September 2008, Andrej Bauer wrote: How can there be no easy to use interface?! This is pathetic. Python has IDLE. Scheme has drscheme. Java has drjava. What does Haskell have? If IDLE is an IDE, then I'm Santa Claus ;) So where exactly did I claim it was an IDE? I just said easy to use interface. Yup, definitely Santa Claus. Best regards, Andrej ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
I agree, I use lablgl+lablgtk-gl ( I mean at the same time) on ubuntu hardy without problems. San Use both lablgl and lablgtk (but not together) without problems. ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 08:08:31AM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: What exactly is broken. Have you logged a bug with Ubuntu or with I don't know as I don't use Ubuntu myself, but being a regular of the Debian OCaml mailing list, it has happened multiple times (maybe 4 or 5, I don't remember) that Ubuntu users complained about inconsistent assumption errors on that list. I don't know which was the Ubuntu release and of course I trust your words when you say that with LTS everything is OK. I was just observing that if in some other Ubuntu releases there are issues with OCaml stuff, maybe they can be fixed with some pinning magics. More generally, I've already stated in the past that we (Debian side) are more than open towards Ubuntu developers willing to collaborate with us for better support of OCaml in any Debian-based distro and to share the workload (which is getting higher, as OCaml is approaching total world domination). Sadly, nobody stepped forward to help. If you, or anybody else, is an Ubuntu user willing to help in OCaml package maintenance let me know, there is for sure a task for you :-) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ I'm still an SGML person,this newfangled /\ All one has to do is hit the XML stuff is so ... simplistic -- Manoj \/ right keys at the right time ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 07:33:38PM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: More generally, I've already stated in the past that we (Debian side) are more than open towards Ubuntu developers willing to collaborate with us for better support of OCaml in any Debian-based distro and to share the workload (which is getting higher, as OCaml is approaching total world domination). Sadly, nobody stepped forward to help. Well I'm not an official Ubuntu developer, just someone who develops on Ubuntu, but I have joined the Debian Ocaml Maintainers mailing list and I'm even thinking of becoming an official Debian maintainer. That's great, and thanks for your help! However, it was not only what I meant. Surely we, Debian-side, have a lot of work to be done and help is always needed. Still, we need someone Ubuntu-side which coordinate with us for their releases. We are doing an excellent job in sharing patches with Fedora (thanks mainly to Richard of course), it's kind of astonishing that we cannot coordinate with Ubuntu. The main reason is of course that there is currently no Ubuntu OCaml Maintainers group or something similar, would you like to start organizing one? If you, or anybody else, is an Ubuntu user willing to help in OCaml package maintenance let me know, there is for sure a task for you :-) Sure. Whats up? You can start looking up all the bug reports against packages maintained by [EMAIL PROTECTED], or other individual maintainers of OCaml-related packages. Moreover, we have several pieces of great OCaml softwares which are not packages while they should. We also have some infrastructure pieces missing, if you are following the mailing list I'm sure you are aware of some of them. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ I'm still an SGML person,this newfangled /\ All one has to do is hit the XML stuff is so ... simplistic -- Manoj \/ right keys at the right time ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
On Sep 26, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Peng Zang wrote: So, if gedit has a programmatic interface you can write shell script to parse the compilation errors (just look for line numbers) and send a command to gedit to go to the appropriate line. I don't know if gedit has that capability, but certainly there may be other text editors that do. such as nedit -- see script below. On Sep 26, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Nathaniel Gray wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 5:10 AM, Brighten Godfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use, on a daily basis, a small script which acts as a front-end to `make' and automatically points you to the error in the code in nedit, highlighting the characters that the ocaml compiler complains about. It uses the existing nedit window if you have the file open already, or else opens it for you. The script also works with gcc instead of ocaml, and (though I can't vouch for it much) gvim instead of nedit. So my typical development environment consists of nedit and a shell in which I compile via the script. If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to share this. I for one am interested -- that could come in handy! OK, here it is: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~pbg/mindy/ ~Brighten ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
Have you tried configuring a recent GNU Emacs to work like a normal editor? (e.g. with C-c, C-v editing shortcuts etc.) This shouldn't be difficult. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Andrej Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again I am teaching a course on theory of programming languages in which we will use ocaml to implement mini-languages. And once again I face the question: which programming environment should we use? I have so far tried to use (under Windows) 1. cygwin + ocaml + XEmacs 2. Eclipse + OcaIDE ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
Andrej Bauer wrote: How can there be no easy to use interface?! This is pathetic. Python has IDLE. Scheme has drscheme. Java has drjava. And OCaml has Emacs :) -- Mehdi Dogguy http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~dogguy ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
Hello, Andrej Bauer wrote: Once again I am teaching a course on theory of programming languages in which we will use ocaml to implement mini-languages. And once again I face the question: which programming environment should we use? I have so far tried to use (under Windows) 1. cygwin + ocaml + XEmacs 2. Eclipse + OcaIDE The second solution worked better than the first, for the simple reason that XEmacs is a complete mystery to students. They really, really hate it. But even with the second soltion we had a lot of trouble, because Eclipse is really complicated, and OcaIDE is sort of experimental and not so good under Windows, so the whole setup was confusing and fragile. I am a satisfied user of Eclipse + OcaIDE on Ubuntu (64bit). Considering I am (still) a newbie in regards to Ocaml and functional programming in general, and have a allergy towards emacs, vi and friends, I would urge you to reconsider OcaIDE + Ubuntu. To make things simpler you may: 0. Use ocamlbuild projects only. 1. Prepare ocamlbuild files (tags and myocamlbuild) if necessary. 2. Provide a workspace with an example project ready for compilation. 3. Let the students use only one project with various source files. Point (0) will significantly ease the students experience if they need not configure any build files. Points (1) and (2) allow you to add references to used modules, libraries, etc. All the students do is create a new file, compile and execute. Point (3) is easy because students need only add a single entry in the project properties dialogue box (Project targets). They need only then point and click on the executable to execute and/or debug. My 2 cents. HTHs, Hugo F. ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
Andrej Bauer wrote: Hugo Ferreira wrote: To make things simpler you may: 0. Use ocamlbuild projects only. 1. Prepare ocamlbuild files (tags and myocamlbuild) if necessary. 2. Provide a workspace with an example project ready for compilation. 3. Let the students use only one project with various source files. Yes, we do all of this, but unfortunately ocamlbuild under Windows sucks because the trick with symbolic links to executables does not work. Yes, I am aware of this. Seen the reports in the forum. Has this been fixed yet? (Also, ocamlbuild assumes bash is in the path, also under Windows.) Not that I am aware of. Their is a version that has *not* been put up onto the update site [1]. Maybe this may have additional corrections. Please note that I am proposing you use Ubuntu because you mentioned dual boot machines: Any ideas what to do? We have dual-boot machines (Windows + Ubuntu). BTW, I just remembered that I use GODI. Don't know if that is possible for you. Regards, Hugo F. http://ocaml.eclipse.free.fr/files/Ocaml_1.2.3.jar Best regards, Andrej ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 01:52:33PM +0200, Andrej Bauer wrote: My teaching asistant showed the students how to do this, but it was only partially successful, not to mention that this required extra configuration. _Any_ initial configuration is a big pain, even just putting a line in .emacs is a challenge (Where is this file?, How can it have just an extension and no name?, Why is the extension longer than three letters, etc.) I think I may have suggested this the last time, but is some sort of bootable live CD / live USB key an option? Our livecd-creator tool is especially flexible: you could build a live CD / key which has all the right packages installed and all the configuration files in the right place and starts up the editor of your choice when they log in. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-fedora-livecd/index.html http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo Persistence (of files in the project) is a problem but maybe they can be encouraged to save project files to a network share or on to a USB key. Rich. -- Richard Jones Red Hat ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
Hi, Your problem is simplified by the fact you already have dual boot machines (if not, Richard's live CD idea is always a good option). Unix is Ocaml's natural habitat, and some of the problems you mentioned (like symlinks for Ocamlbuild) would simply go away if you boot into Ubuntu. I got the impression your students are not too familiar with Unix. Well, if that's the case I think in the long term they can only benefit by being exposed to it. I once had to teach 3rd year Compsci students the fundamentals of Unix programming in C. Much to my surprise, some of them didn't even know how to use basic shell commands or to invoke gcc! I guess my predecessors had sheltered them too much from the big bad Unix. Now, I understand you may be reluctant to spend valuable class time teaching them the rudiments of Unix, but I reckon that if you provide them with the relevant configuration files they can be up and running in less than half an hour. And I bet that some of them may even discover that they prefer Unix. Cheers, Dario ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
I think we should think outside the box here. Make sure your OCaml has prerequisites that involve some shittier language like C, which is taught in a Unix environment with xemacs. Once the students have seen how awful it can get and they associate the terrible learning experience with C (what's with the lack of love for emacs anyway? =/), then you come to the rescue. :-D Btw, I wouldn't try to use OCaml with Ubuntu, or *any* recent language that has been in development. Support is generally flaky. The mainline OCaml that comes with Ubuntu is fine, but the gl+gtk support is broken. The version of Eclipse that ships with Ubuntu is freaking ancient and won't support the Scala plugin. From what I remember, 8.0.4 also shipped with some fossilized version of Scala itself. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Andrej Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hugo Ferreira wrote: To make things simpler you may: 0. Use ocamlbuild projects only. 1. Prepare ocamlbuild files (tags and myocamlbuild) if necessary. 2. Provide a workspace with an example project ready for compilation. 3. Let the students use only one project with various source files. Yes, we do all of this, but unfortunately ocamlbuild under Windows sucks because the trick with symbolic links to executables does not work. Has this been fixed yet? (Also, ocamlbuild assumes bash is in the path, also under Windows.) Best regards, Andrej ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 06:17:29PM +0200, Andrej Bauer wrote: By the way, Live CD is not really an option. I suspect the computer lab computers are protected against that. If you've got qemu installed in Ubuntu then: qemu -m 512 -cdrom livecd.iso -boot d You don't even need to be root. (Of course, if they have to type this at a command prompt, arguably you've lost the battle.) Rich. -- Richard Jones Red Hat ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 09:15:14AM -0700, Arthur Chan wrote: Btw, I wouldn't try to use OCaml with Ubuntu, or *any* recent language that has been in development. Support is generally flaky. The mainline OCaml that comes with Ubuntu is fine, but the gl+gtk support is broken. The FWIW, OCaml support in Debian is on the other hand quite good (or at least that's what our users let us maintainers perceive), hence in theory one can imaging using Ubuntu with legacy Debian OCaml packages. I believe that out of the box that could be tricky to achieve if one has already enabled Ubuntu universe (as there is no guarantee that the versions in Debian will be considered by apt higher than those in Ubuntu). Still, with pinning one can prioritize OCaml packages coming from Debian. Actually, if anyone find a good setup for that, it is worth a FAQ entry somewhere (it will diminish the number of Ubuntu users complaining for bad OCaml support). Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ I'm still an SGML person,this newfangled /\ All one has to do is hit the XML stuff is so ... simplistic -- Manoj \/ right keys at the right time ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
Have you considered DrOCaml? It builds on top of the pedagogically oriented DrScheme environment. I think they've been using it at Brown for a year or two now, to good effect. I think Shriram Krishnamurthi is the guy at Brown who ran the class, so you should ask him. I agree that getting a good pedagogical IDE for OCaml is an important goal. We'd love to fund a summer project working towards that goal. I suspect DrOCaml is the best step in that direction so far. y On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Andrej Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: How can there be no easy to use interface?! This is pathetic. Python has IDLE. Scheme has drscheme. Java has drjava. What does Haskell have? I compiled Camelia (which required me to debug C++ code for the first time in about 20 years). It's kind of ok. The user interface is a bit broken, lots of uneccessary pop-up dialogs (e.g., for every error message). Andrej ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 09:15:14AM -0700, Arthur Chan wrote: Btw, I wouldn't try to use OCaml with Ubuntu, or *any* recent language that has been in development. Support is generally flaky. The mainline OCaml that comes with Ubuntu is fine, but the gl+gtk support is broken. The FWIW, OCaml support in Debian is on the other hand quite good (or at least that's what our users let us maintainers perceive), hence in theory one can imaging using Ubuntu with legacy Debian OCaml packages. Why not Ubuntu + GODI? Regards, Hugo F. ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
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Yaron Minsky wrote: Have you considered DrOCaml? Yes, but I am unable to find it. Where is it? Andrej ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Andrej Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yaron Minsky wrote: Have you considered DrOCaml? Yes, but I am unable to find it. Where is it? http://planet.plt-scheme.org/display.ss?package=drocaml.pltowner=abromfie It works well on my system (64bit Ubuntu, OCaml 3.10.2 from GODI) but only with DrScheme 3xx. Using DrScheme 4.x I get a series of errors: http://planet.plt-scheme.org/trac/ticket/86 Hez -- Hezekiah M. Carty Graduate Research Assistant University of Maryland Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Science ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
After teaching OCaml for two years, I personally suggest * Ubuntu + GODI * Emacs + Emacs-goodies (slightly customised to obtain tabs, I can send you my .emacs) + Tuareg -- (Emacs is much better than XEmacs, at least for this -- and the tabs are a tremendous help) * OcamlBuild with a myocamlbuild.ml written by you. Cheers, David On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 13:30 +0200, Andrej Bauer wrote: Once again I am teaching a course on theory of programming languages in which we will use ocaml to implement mini-languages. And once again I face the question: which programming environment should we use? I have so far tried to use (under Windows) 1. cygwin + ocaml + XEmacs 2. Eclipse + OcaIDE The second solution worked better than the first, for the simple reason that XEmacs is a complete mystery to students. They really, really hate it. But even with the second soltion we had a lot of trouble, because Eclipse is really complicated, and OcaIDE is sort of experimental and not so good under Windows, so the whole setup was confusing and fragile. The requirements are very simple: 1. easy access to toplevel (with line-editing) 2. editor which can send stuff to toplevel, points to errors in source code, and is not Emacs. Any ideas what to do? We have dual-boot machines (Windows + Ubuntu). Best regards, Andrej ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs -- David Teller-Rajchenbach Security of Distributed Systems http://www.univ-orleans.fr/lifo/Members/David.Teller Angry researcher: French Universities need reforms, but the LRU act brings liquidations. ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:30 AM, Andrej Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again I am teaching a course on theory of programming languages in which we will use ocaml to implement mini-languages. And once again I face the question: which programming environment should we use? I used to use nedit + shell and it worked quite well. I've got a good syntax highlighting mode and some support scripts. These days I've switched to jEdit but I use much the same workflow. It *is* possible to use the console and error list plugins for jedit to build programs and get automatic error message highlighting, but the OCaml error format makes it a bit sub-optimal. If you want to try it I can tell you how to configure things. You would still need to run the toplevel in an external shell. The nice thing about jEdit is that it's cross-platform and not quite as bloated as Eclipse. Also, using omake for your build system has some nice advantages. The '-P' flag causes the project to automatically rebuild when any project file changes on disk. After you fix a bug the next error message is already waiting for you. Cheers, -n8 -- -- Nathaniel Gray -- Caltech Computer Science -- -- Mojave Project -- http://mojave.cs.caltech.edu -- ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 5:10 AM, Brighten Godfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use, on a daily basis, a small script which acts as a front-end to `make' and automatically points you to the error in the code in nedit, highlighting the characters that the ocaml compiler complains about. It uses the existing nedit window if you have the file open already, or else opens it for you. The script also works with gcc instead of ocaml, and (though I can't vouch for it much) gvim instead of nedit. So my typical development environment consists of nedit and a shell in which I compile via the script. If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to share this. I for one am interested -- that could come in handy! I guess the main question would be integrating the toplevel with nedit. I imagine there are a number of ways to do this, depending on your needs. You might be able to put something together using nedit's scripting language, or just do something entirely external to the editor. You won't have any luck integrating the toplevel into nedit. There's just no way to do it within the editor as it stands today. But it's not *that* hard to run a shell alongside your editor. Cheers, -n8 -- -- Nathaniel Gray -- Caltech Computer Science -- -- Mojave Project -- http://mojave.cs.caltech.edu -- ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
Richard Jones wrote: Ubuntu's OCaml support is very flaky. Sorry, this is not true. In my day job we have an embedded device which is currently built on top of Ubuntu Dapper and which we're in the process of moving to Ubuntu Hardy. With Dapper there was one flaky package, libcairo-ocaml-dev for which we pulled the source package from Ubuntu Edgy and compiled for Dapper. Our Dapper and Hardy systems then have about a dozen utilities, tools and daemons written in Ocaml. This experience has been a complete joy. My manager who started as an Ocaml sceptic is a lot less sceptical now. They don't have developers committed to it and take a random snapshot of what's in Debian. A huge amount of kudos to the Debian Ocaml Maintainers. They do an fantastic job. However, you are seriously overstating any problems Ubuntu may have at least with regard to the LTS (long term support) releases. Erik -- - Erik de Castro Lopo - Cunnilinugus and psychiatry brought us to this. -- Tony Soprano in HBO's the Sopranos ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
Re: [Caml-list] Teaching ocaml programming
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: FWIW, OCaml support in Debian is on the other hand quite good (or at Stefano, its not just good it is truely excellent. Actually, if anyone find a good setup for that, it is worth a FAQ entry somewhere (it will diminish the number of Ubuntu users complaining for bad OCaml support). I am one of those Ubuntu Ocaml users and I'm not complaining. If anyone has any a complaint about Ocaml on Ubuntu Hardy (the current long term support release) please let them speak up. I for one would be happy to help. Erik -- - Erik de Castro Lopo - Indeed, I am impressed that Google runs an 8,000 node Linux cluster, 5 data centers, an extensive network, and a rapidly evolving application all with a staff of 12. -- http://research.microsoft.com/~gray/papers/FAAMs_HPTS.doc ___ Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
