Re: synchroning ftp (Was: Re: [Cooker] problems with main mirror - ftp.uninett.no)

2003-09-02 Thread Ben Reser
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Blindauer Emmanuel wrote:
 I think you didn't understand completly was I was talking about.
 I have proposed to only update the primary mirror once (or twice) a day. 
 Not asking every mirror to do that, they need to be up to date.

Primary mirrors are definately updating more than twice a day.

 Debian works with way too, and they don't have these problems.
 http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror.en.html#when

Debian can probably deal with only doing a twice daily update because
they don't have 6 month release cycles to keep...

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Re: synchroning ftp (Was: Re: [Cooker] problems with main mirror - ftp.uninett.no)

2003-09-02 Thread Dave Cotton
On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 16:40, Ben Reser wrote:
 Debian can probably deal with only doing a twice daily update because
 they don't have 6 month release cycles to keep...

Question really is who set the 6 month limit? If the mad rush to keep up
with the cycle causes the problems that are occurring at the moment then
it must be questioned. If the problem isn't faced up to, there may not
be a requirement for a six month cycle in the future, there may not be a
future.
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Dave Cotton [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: synchroning ftp (Was: Re: [Cooker] problems with main mirror - ftp.uninett.no)

2003-09-02 Thread Ben Reser
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 07:52:49AM +0200, Dave Cotton wrote:
 Question really is who set the 6 month limit? If the mad rush to keep up
 with the cycle causes the problems that are occurring at the moment then
 it must be questioned. If the problem isn't faced up to, there may not
 be a requirement for a six month cycle in the future, there may not be a
 future.

You have a question about that?  I think the answer is obvious.
Mandrakesoft.  There was some discussion about backing off on the rate
of releases a while back.

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Re: synchroning ftp (Was: Re: [Cooker] problems with main mirror - ftp.uninett.no)

2003-08-25 Thread Blindauer Emmanuel
Le Dimanche 24 Août 2003 12:24, Ben Reser a écrit :
 On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 04:37:53PM +0100, Brian Tyndall wrote:
  Perhaps we need  to fix an hour to do the rsync from the main mirror ?
  like 2x per day, 0h GTM and 12h GMT, ppl at mandrakesoft will update
  their public server, and from here, other mirrors ftp will get the
  stuff without these problems ?

 Do you realize that this won't work?  If everyone syncs at the same time
 and only twice a day it will take days for things to propogate to all
 the mirrors.  Most better mirrors are probably syncing once an hour.

 Further, the problem you are trying to solve is happening because you're
 syncing at the same time as the mirror upstream from you.  So limiting
 everyone to sync at roughly the same time would just make this worse.
I think you didn't understand completly was I was talking about.
I have proposed to only update the primary mirror once (or twice) a day. 
Not asking every mirror to do that, they need to be up to date.

Debian works with way too, and they don't have these problems.
http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror.en.html#when

Emmanuel










Re: synchroning ftp (Was: Re: [Cooker] problems with main mirror - ftp.uninett.no)

2003-08-24 Thread Ben Reser
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 04:37:53PM +0100, Brian Tyndall wrote:
 Perhaps we need  to fix an hour to do the rsync from the main mirror ?
 like 2x per day, 0h GTM and 12h GMT, ppl at mandrakesoft will update their 
 public server, and from here, other mirrors ftp will get the stuff without 
 these problems ?

Do you realize that this won't work?  If everyone syncs at the same time
and only twice a day it will take days for things to propogate to all
the mirrors.  Most better mirrors are probably syncing once an hour.

Further, the problem you are trying to solve is happening because you're
syncing at the same time as the mirror upstream from you.  So limiting
everyone to sync at roughly the same time would just make this worse.

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What upsets me is not that you lied to me, but that from now on I can
no longer believe you. -- Nietzsche



Re: synchroning ftp (Was: Re: [Cooker] problems with main mirror - ftp.uninett.no)

2003-08-02 Thread Ben Reser
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:40:28AM +0200, Blindauer Emmanuel wrote:
 Perhaps we need  to fix an hour to do the rsync from the main mirror ?
 like 2x per day, 0h GTM and 12h GMT, ppl at mandrakesoft will update their 
 public server, and from here, other mirrors ftp will get the stuff without 
 these problems ?

Good mirrors update a heck of a lot more often than once a day and if
everyone updates at the same time things won't fully propogate for
several days (assuming one update a day)...  

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