Re: [Courier-imap] Fam/Gamin?
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Andy Shellam (Mailing Lists) writes: A couple of things are swaying me away from Fam at the moment: 1. Firstly, the latest version was released in November 2003 - there doesn't seem to be any further development on it. You should stop smoking crack: http://www.courier-mta.org/download.php So should you! I said a couple of things are swaying me away from *FAM* not Courier - I love Courier, and I am testing that latest version. ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/download/stable fam-2.7.0.tar.gz 295KB 26/11/2003 AFIWA I asked a genuine question, I'd appreciate not being insulted. -- Andy Shellam NetServe Support Team the Mail Network an alternative in a standardised world - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Courier-imap mailing list Courier-imap@lists.sourceforge.net Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-imap
Re: [Courier-imap] Fam/Gamin?
Andy Shellam (Mailing Lists) wrote: A couple of things are swaying me away from Fam at the moment: 1. Firstly, the latest version was released in November 2003 - there doesn't seem to be any further development on it. You should stop smoking crack: http://www.courier-mta.org/download.php On RHAS4, at any rate (and therefore likely all FCs), FAM has been replaced by gam_serv, which does what FAM did, but on a per user basis. There's a short description of why RH went from FAM in /usr/share/doc/gamin or whatever. Courier IMAP needs either, as documented, if you need real time updates on folders accessed real time by more than one client - or one client with simultaneous connections. You can build without, but then with reduced effect. On this list, in the past, there's been much criticism of FAM, apart from other things of it not working as expected (advertised). It always worked for me, before Gamin. So should you! I said a couple of things are swaying me away from *FAM* not Courier - I love Courier, and I am testing that latest version. ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/download/stable fam-2.7.0.tar.gz 295KB 26/11/2003 AFIWA I asked a genuine question, I'd appreciate not being insulted. Come on now, laugh out loud like the rest of us. Sam gave you Courier, what more do you want? There's nothing in his version of your GPL that says you shouldn't expect wisecracks. If he'd said it with a smile over a beer, you'd have let it pass like water off a duck's back. --Tonni -- Tony Earnshaw Email: tonni at hetnet dot nl - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Courier-imap mailing list Courier-imap@lists.sourceforge.net Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-imap
Re: [Courier-imap] Fam/Gamin?
Tony Earnshaw wrote: On RHAS4, at any rate (and therefore likely all FCs), FAM has been replaced by gam_serv, which does what FAM did, but on a per user basis. There's a short description of why RH went from FAM in /usr/share/doc/gamin or whatever. Does Courier pick this up automatically if on a Redhat system, or do you have to add any extra compile options? If this is the case, how can I check or test that it has used it properly? And does Gamin need any configuring to set up? Come on now, laugh out loud like the rest of us. Sam gave you Courier, what more do you want? There's nothing in his version of your GPL that says you shouldn't expect wisecracks. If he'd said it with a smile over a beer, you'd have let it pass like water off a duck's back. I would, if I'd have been wrong, but I don't appreciate being humiliated over something I was right about, when Sam clearly hadn't read my e-mail properly, as even in his reply, he left the bit about me saying it was a turn-off of FAM, not Courier. Sorry, but if you're going to make wisecracks, you should at least get your facts correct. Andy - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Courier-imap mailing list Courier-imap@lists.sourceforge.net Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-imap
Re: [Courier-imap] Fam/Gamin?
Andy Shellam (Mailing Lists) wrote: On RHAS4, at any rate (and therefore likely all FCs), FAM has been replaced by gam_serv, which does what FAM did, but on a per user basis. There's a short description of why RH went from FAM in /usr/share/doc/gamin or whatever. Does Courier pick this up automatically if on a Redhat system, or do you have to add any extra compile options? It picks it up automatically, since /usr/lib/libfam.so still exists, albeit modified and linked to ... If this is the case, how can I check or test that it has used it properly? If Courier IMAP builds out of the box then it's found libfam.so, or you have to configure it without libfam. And does Gamin need any configuring to set up? None. Come on now, laugh out loud like the rest of us. Sam gave you Courier, what more do you want? There's nothing in his version of your GPL that says you shouldn't expect wisecracks. If he'd said it with a smile over a beer, you'd have let it pass like water off a duck's back. I would, if I'd have been wrong, but I don't appreciate being humiliated over something I was right about, when Sam clearly hadn't read my e-mail properly, as even in his reply, he left the bit about me saying it was a turn-off of FAM, not Courier. Sorry, but if you're going to make wisecracks, you should at least get your facts correct. When I was young I lived in London, worked, as a toffee nose, with cockneys - I then moved to Bergen (Bergensere are just as bad as cockneys) in Norway and survived, stayed in Norway for 13 years then moved to Amsterdam (Amsterdammers are just as bad as Bergensere). If I'd have taken notice of all the all the insults hurled at me over the years I'd have gone gaga long ago. --Tonni -- Tony Earnshaw Email: tonni at hetnet dot nl - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Courier-imap mailing list Courier-imap@lists.sourceforge.net Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-imap
Re: [Courier-imap] Fam/Gamin?
Andy Shellam (Mailing Lists) wrote: Where can I get Gamin? You should use your distro packages. But if your distro doesn't have it, try http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/ Is it production-quality/proven/reliable? It's been in RedHat's Enterprise Linux since 4.0 was released so in their mind at least it is. What are the recommendations over the Fam/Gamin choice? I had issues with FAM on Maildir's with 5000+ messages. The fam process would shoot up to 99% CPU and do nothing until I killed it manually. Switching to Gamin was a little better but it still had some issues. Seems both Fam and Gamin use dnotify if it's all that's available in the kernel. However, Gamin can and will use inotify if you're using a recent kernel (2.6.13+?) with inotify compiled in. Gamin+inotify were the magic combo for me. I still found issues with Maildirs with 1+ messages, but instead of chewing up the CPU, Gamin would just fail to provide realtime updates in IDLE mode, not a big deal for me. Does Courier IMAP build successfully using Gamin instead of Fam? Like Tony said, it will use the fam.h from whatever it finds. Older versions of Gamin weren't quite 100% API compatabile with FAM so they had issues. But Gamin has been in Fedora since FC3 or so and is quite well tested (I believe Sam, the main Courier developer uses a recent version of Fedora for devel.) Having said all this, if you're on FreeBSD or another Unix I have no idea what Gamin's support is like. I believe the head Gamin devel. is a RedHat employee so most of the testing is done on Linux, not even sure it's compilable on other Unixen. Jay begin:vcard fn:Jay Lee n:Lee;Jay org:Philadelphia Biblical University;Information Technology Department adr:;;;Langhorne;PA;19047;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Network / Systems Administrator x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.pbu.edu version:2.1 end:vcard smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Courier-imap mailing list Courier-imap@lists.sourceforge.net Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-imap
Re: [Courier-imap] Fam/Gamin?
Jay Lee wrote: [...] Like Tony said, it will use the fam.h from whatever it finds. Indeed ... 1027 [root:tru.leerlingen] /root # locate fam.h /usr/include/fam.h 1028 [root:tru.leerlingen] /root # rpm -qf /usr/include/fam.h gamin-devel-0.1.1-4.EL4 --Tonni -- Tony Earnshaw Email: tonni at hetnet dot nl - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Courier-imap mailing list Courier-imap@lists.sourceforge.net Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-imap
