[CTRL] NAFTA at 5 Part 1

1999-01-16 Thread BStokes45

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School of Real-Life Results
Report Card
December 1998


Student: North American Free Trade Agreement
Grading Period: January 1, 1994 to January 1, 1999


Individual Subjects:  Grade:

U.S. Job Creation and Job Quality   F

Agriculture F

The Environment F

Public Health   F

Wage Levels in the U.S. and Mexico  F

Economic Development and
Living Standards in Mexico  F

Sovereignty and
Democratic Governance   F

Highway Safety,
Drug Enforcement and Smuggling  F

Labor and Environmental Side
Agreements and Training ProgramsF
ÿ

Comments: NAFTA's proponents promised benefits for the U.S., Canada and
Mexico. The promises - 200,000 new U.S. jobs from NAFTA per year, higher
wages in Mexico and a growing U.S. trade surplus with Mexico,
environmental clean-up and improved health along the border - have all
failed to materialize. However, as this report illustrates, after five
years, NAFTA fails to pass the most conservative test of all: a simple
do-no-harm test. Under NAFTA, conditions have deteriorated in many areas
in which gains were promised. In each subject NAFTA's grade is a failing
one - data and examples are provided to explain why.

NAFTA at 5

January 1, 1999 is the fifth anniversary of the implementation of the
North American Free Trade Agreement: NAFTA now has an extensive real
life record. Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch conducted a detailed
review of that track record, assessing the results of NAFTA in several
crucial areas. This Report Card - reflecting the results of our review -
grades NAFTA on the major issues.
 Impact on Job Creation and Job Quality in the U.S.  Impact on
Agriculture  Impact on the Environment  Impact on Public Health  Impact
on Wages in the U.S. and Mexico  Impact on Economic Development and
Living Standards in Mexico  Impact on Democratic Governance and
Sovereignty  Impact on Highway Safety, Drug Enforcement and Smuggling
The Performance of NAFTA's Trade Adjustment Assistance Program  The
Performance of NAFTA's Labor and Environmental Side Agreements

NAFTA's proponents promised the pact would create new benefits and gains
in each of these areas. The promised benefits - 200,000 new U.S. jobs
from NAFTA per year, higher wages in Mexico and a growing U.S. trade
surplus with Mexico, environmental clean-up and improved health along
the border - have to a one failed to materialize.(1)

However, as this report illustrates, after five years, NAFTA fails to
pass the most conservative test of all: a simple do-no-harm test. Under
NAFTA, conditions have not only have not improved, they have
deteriorated in many areas. As a result, on each of the issues examined,
the only fair grade for NAFTA is a failing one - hard data and real-life
examples tell the story.

The American Public Also Grades NAFTA a Failure

Recent opinion polls show that the majority of Americans are aware of
NAFTA's poor performance. Asked for their views, everyday citizens give
NAFTA "F's" for benefitting the public interest and "A's" for boosting
big corporations.
 66% of Americans believe that free trade agreements between the U.S.
and other countries cost the U.S. jobs(2)  66% of Americans believe that
NAFTA has helped large corporations(3)  27% of Americans believe that
NAFTA has helped small business in the U.S.(4)  58% of Americans agree
that foreign trade has been bad for the U.S. economy because cheap
imports have cost wages and jobs here(5)  81% of Americans say that
Congress should not accept trade agreements that give other countries
the power to overturn U.S. laws on consumer safety, labor or the
environment(6)  For the first time ever, Americans say the U.S. trade
deficit is the most important economic issue facing the country, above
taxes, the federal budget deficit, and inflation. In 1993, only 7% of
Americans thought the trade deficit was the most important economic
issue facing the country, trailing unemployment, the federal deficit and
taxes.(7)

ÿ

U.S. Job Creation and Job Quality
...

On the issue of U.S. job creation, the central focus of pro-NAFTA
compaigning, it is fair to measure NAFTA's real-life results against its
backers' expansive promises of hundreds of thousands of new, high-paying
U.S. jobs. However, even measured against the more lenient "do no harm"
standard, NAFTA has been a failure. Using trade flow data to calculate
job loss under NAFTA (incorporating exactly the formula used by NAFTA's
backers to predict 200,000 per year NAFTA job creation) yields net job
destruction numbers in the hundreds of thousands. Whether the loss of
hundreds of thousands of jobs qualifies as "a giant sucking sound"
depends on the ear of the listener. It is clear, however, that NAFTA has
indisputably led to widespread job loss, with over 200,000 U.S. workers
certified as NAFTA 

[CTRL] NAFTA at 5 Part 2

1999-01-16 Thread BStokes45

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The Environment
...

When NAFTA was being debated in 1993, concerns were raised that
additional industrial activity generated by NAFTA would exacerbate
pre-existing environmental and public health problems caused by a high
concentration of export manufacturing plants in the free trade zone
along the U.S.-Mexico border. The Clinton Administration echoed these
concerns, agreeing that the "maquiladora" sector posed a grave risk to
border ecology and public health. The Administration promised that NAFTA
would relieve pressure on the border region by extending trade benefits
to Mexico's interior, thus reducing the incentive for U.S. industrial
firms to locate along the border. Indeed, the Administration went so far
as to claim that without NAFTA, the growth of the maquiladora sector
would cause an environmentally devastating spiral of industrial and
population growth and resulting air and water pollution.(41)

Yet rather than reversing, this trend has accelerated. During NAFTA's
first five years the maquiladora zone along the U.S.-Mexico border has
undergone explosive growth, compounding pre-existing environmental and
health problems. The latest count puts the number of border maquiladoras
at 1,947, 37% more than in 1993.(42) In Tijuana alone, maquiladora
employment has skyrocketed by 92%.(43) Worse, the promised clean-ups and
new environmental infrastructure never materialized. And NAFTA has been
wielded as a weapon to attack federal and subfederal environmental and
public health safeguards, with a series of legal challenges to
countries' environmental laws launched by corporations using NAFTA's
investment provisions (Chapter 11).
 Corporations Use NAFTA to Attack Environmental Laws: Of the seven known
challenges using NAFTA's investor right-to-sue-governments provisions,
six involve U.S. corporations attacking federal- or state-level
environmental measures in Canada and Mexico.(44) In three cases, the
U.S.-based companies are suing Mexico for the right to open hazardous
waste disposal facilities.(45) The other three cases involve U.S.-based
corporations suing Canada claiming environmental laws are "regulatory
takings" against which NAFTA created new investor rights. These include
a British Columbia ban on the export - by tanker - of water to the
United States; a federal public health ban on the import of a toxic
gasoline additive; and a federal rule temporarily banning the export of
PCBs for disposal.(46) The best known of these is the Ethyl
Corporation's successful 1997 claim against Canada, which forced the
Canadian government to kill a major public health law. For a discussion
of the Ethyl case, see page .
 Hazardous Waste Transports Up Under NAFTA: Hazardous waste imports into
the United States in 1997 (the latest year for which data is available)
are higher than in 1993 - or than any time in the 1990s - and have
increased 50% since 1996 alone.(47) EPA attributes this increase in
hazardous waste trade to the increase in maquiladoras under NAFTA;
hazardous waste imports into the U.S. are expected to continue to rise
as the number of maquiladoras grows.(48) This increase heightens the
risks of contamination due to spills during transport. Indeed, Mexican
trucks are almost twice as likely as U.S. trucks to be forced out of
service for failing inspections.(49)
 Toxic Dumping Remains a Big Problem: Despite the increase in the
transport of hazardous waste across the border, five years after NAFTA
much maquiladora waste is still unaccounted for.(50) The problem of
illegal dumping of hazardous waste along the U.S.-Mexico border is
well-documented; among the total 2,900 Mexican maquiladoras, only 751
compliance manifests on the proper disposal of hazardous waste have been
filed since 1991.(51)
 After NAFTA, Lack of Promised Clean-Up: More than four years after its
closure, 6,000 metric tons of lead remain at the Metales y Derivados
site in Tijuana, Mexico.(52) The plant, owned by the San Diego-based New
Frontier Trading Corp., operated a smelter. It was shut down four years
ago. Despite the risk to local residents and efforts of local
environmental groups, the Mexican government has failed even to begin
clean-up.(53)

Surge in Industrial Activity in Tijuana Leads to $250 Million Mess
South Bay International Wastewater Treatment Plant Will Dump
25 Million Gallons of Waste Daily a Few Miles off Pacific Coast

Starting in early 1999, each day 25 million gallons of "treated," but
still toxic Mexican sewage will be discharged off of Imperial Beach,
California.(54) An International Wastewater Treatment Plant, being
constructed on the U.S. side of the border for a cost of $250 million,
will treat sewage from Tijuana. The city has undergone a 92% explosion
in maquiladora employment under NAFTA,(55) but did not have
infrastructure to treat the pre-boom waste water.(56) With "treated"
sewage dumped into 100 ft. deep water only a few 

[CTRL] NAFTA at 5 [140 footnotes]

1999-01-16 Thread BStokes45

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The foregoing report is formatted with your mind in mind at
http://www.citizen.org/pctrade/nafta/reports/5years.htm

Endnotes


1. See Public Citizen, The Border Betrayed (January 1996), Failure to
Create U.S. Jobs (February 1997) and Fast Track to Unsafe Food
 (September 1997).

2. Poll Conducted by Peter D. Hart Research Associates, Inc. for the
AFL-CIO, July 18-22, 1997.

3. Ibid.

4. Ibid.

5. 12/03/98-12/06/98 Wall Street Journal/NBC News Survey conducted.
2,106 adults.

6. Poll Conducted by Peter D. Hart Research Associates, Inc. for the
AFL-CIO, July 18-22, 1997.

7. Ibid.

8. Department of Labor's study that states there is a 2 :1 chance of
workers not finding a better job; "More Than 43 Million Jobs Lost,
Reaching Every Walk of Life," New York Times, reprinted in National
Times, December 1996. Since March 1998 198,000 manufacturing jobs have
been lost. The service sector has been able to absorb the layoffs, but
the displaced workers are usually paid less than they had been in the
manufacturing sector. See, Louis Uchitelle, "The Economy Grows. The
Smokestacks Shrink," New York Times, 11/ 29/98.

9. Bureau of Labor Statistics, 1996-1997 Jobs Outlook.

10. See Chicago Tribune, NAFTA at 5, Promises  Realities, November 29,
1998.

11. U.S. Census Bureau,
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/www/deficit.html

12. The latest trade balance data available are the October 1998
figures. Year-end projection have been calculated by Rob Scott of the
Economic Policy Institute. The U.S. trade deficit with Mexico for
October 1998 is $13.2 billion and with Canada is $15 billion.

13. International Trade Commission, Production Sharing: The Use of U.S.
Components and Materials in Foreign Assembly Operations, April 1997.

14. Rothstein, Jesse and Rob Scott. "NAFTA's Casualties," September 19,
1997.

15. Department of Commerce, International Trade Administration data,
1993-1997.

16. U.S. Labor Department NAFTA-TAA data, as of November 19, 1998.

17. See, Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch, NAFTA's Broken Promises:
Failure to Create U.S. Jobs, February 1997.

18. Dailey, Rickey. "NAFTA Gets Mixed Reviews," The Brownsville Herald,
August 22, 1998.

19. "Border Counties Poorest in Nation," The Brownsville Herald, July
23, 1998.

20. New Mexico State University, U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

21. U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

22. USDA, Number of Farms and Net Cash Income by Size Class, 1993, 1997;
"The fast track myth," Agri News, July 16, 1998, letter to the editor by
Steve Suppan.

23. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, consumer prices for
food in general have risen slightly since 1993. For fruit and vegetables
- much of which is imported under NAFTA, consumer prices have risen 7%
in real terms since.

24. USDA, Number of Farms and Net Cash Income by Size Class, 1993 and
1997.

25. Export data from U.S. Aggregate Foreign Trade Data, U.S. Department
of Commerce International Trade Administration. Canadian farm income
data in Adrian Ewins, "Review Farm Policy Now, Demands Departing NFU
Head," The Western Producer, 12/10/98.

26. Bureau of Labor Statistics, CPI data on Pork: 1993-1998 (first 11
months of 1998). Also see, Barboza, David. "Farmers Are in Crisis as Hog
Prices Collapse," The New York Times, 12/13/98.

27. U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, CPI data.

28. "Message Delivered Through Free Pork," The Western Producer,
12/10/98.

29. USDA, U.S. Total Agricultural Trade Balances with Individual
Countries, 1991-97.

30. 50.U.S. International Trade Commission, "Impact of the North
American Free Trade Agreement on the U.S. Economy and Industries: A
Three Year Review," June 1997, pp. 6-65.

31. Florida Tomato Grower Association, interview with Wayne Hawkins.

32. Letter from Florida Tomato Exchange to Congressman Joe Scarborough,
August 25, 1997.

33. Bureau of Labor Statistics, CPI data, 1993-1997.

34. "Brussels Sprouts Woes Increase," Wall Street Journal, 12/1/98.

35. USDA Foreign Agricultural Service, "US Agricultural Consumption
Imports," January 1993 to December 1997.

36. Barboza, David, "Farmers Are in Crisis as Hog Prices Collapse." New
York Times, 12/13/98.

37. October 8, 1998 Hearing in the House Agriculture Committee,
"Agricultural Trade Issues with Canada."

38. Bureau of Labor Statistics, CPI data on Pork 1993-November 1998.
Barboza, David. "Farmers Are in Crisis as Hog Prices Collapse," The New
York Times, 12/13/98.

39. As of July 1998, the U.S. has 720 million bushels of wheat in
carry-out stocks. See Paul Menser, "Trading Blame: Idaho Farmers are
struggling to see how NAFTA benefits their bottom line," Post Register,
7/12/98.

40. Paul Menser, "Trading Blame: Idaho Farmers are struggling to see how
NAFTA benefits their bottom line," Post Register, 7/12/98, quoting Mike
Lipscomb of the Idaho Rural Council.

41. Clinton Administration, Report on Environmental Issues, November
1993, ES-8.

42. United States-Mexico Chamber of Commerce, "The 

[CTRL] Pundits Site

1999-01-16 Thread MarkM411

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This site contains  viewpoints from some of the most prominent pundits in the
nation.

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Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.

1999-01-16 Thread Carlene M. Wojahn

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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

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 On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Sno0wl wrote:
 I would say that this list is in deep trouble---again.
 

Since you said new, and I believe I am the newest,  it appears that you are
talking about me.  I would say it is because of name calling, I do want to learn if
we can get back to the points at hand.




 Didn't we go through all this already with the guys who thought some Nazis were
 "nice."  Now we're doing it with some other guys who think some slavery is okay?

I never said it was okay..try to relate to the past.  Can we condemn those, the
society for different mores.  It was not necessarily wrong at that time.

Carlene
(trying to get back onto the topic...just watch..for name calling)


 and who are doubletalking about racism?

 I am not talking about racism, and I am not a racist, .  Please show me a
 statement that show that I am racistnope I don't think so.  (Thinking about
 conversations I have had with my family...they  defintiely know that I am not.
 However, I will point out things, that things that are acceptable for society..and
 right for that society..at that time, can not be judged by today.

 I hope other 'old timers' on this list also notice a distinct similarity,


Right !! Let us get back to the topic..at hand.

 not only between this new crop and the old neonazi group, but also a
 strange similarity amongst the postings of the 'new' pro-slavery
 'crowd'...almost as if it were the same person talking...   ;-)

 Wha's goin' on here? I haven't got the time to waste.

Yeah right !! Huh !! Oh, ok now I am a neo-nazi ? Yeah right, far from it.  If you
want details on my beliefs let me know.

 Carlene


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[CTRL] Foster, NSA, and Banks: Part 2

1999-01-16 Thread Brian Redman

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  Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and
 Banking Transactions Spying, Part II

by J. Orlin Grabbe

Upon hearing of the alleged connections between Vincent
Foster, the NSA, and its subsidiary Systematics--since
renamed ALLTEL Information Services (4001 N. Rodney Parham Rd.,
Little Rock, Arkansas 72212-2496, phone 501/220-5100)--
ALLTEL Corp. (1 Allied Dr., Little Rock, Arkansas 72202, phone
501/661-8000) hired a San Francisco libel attorney named
Charles O. Morgan (450 Sansome Street, 13th Floor, San
Francisco, CA 94111-3382, phone 415/392-2037) to threaten
journalists who made such allegations.

ALLTEL feared the economic consequences of the charges made
against its private subsidiary: "Banking and financial
institutions are clients of ALLTEL. The irresponsible and false
statements . . . have and will cause my client substantial damage"
(letter from Charles O. Morgan to Agora Inc., March 28, 1995).

Published news articles in the *American Banker* and elsewhere show
that Systematics' (ALLTEL Information Serivces') customers have
included Home Bank, Manufactuers Hanover (now merged with Chemical),
Vboss, Southwestern Bell, various overseas military bases,
City National, California Federal Bank, Federal Home Loan Bank
of San Francisco, Guaranty Federal Savings Bank, River Forest
Bankcorp, First Busey Corp, Decatur Federal Savings and Loan,
Republic National Bank of New York, Anchor Savings Bank, Integra
Financial Corp, Banc One, Nations Bank, Citicorp, Vermont National
Bank, CNB Bancshares, Liberty Bancorp of Oklahoma City, First Union,
First National Bank of Maryland, Amcore Financial, Horizon, Oxford
First Corp, Navy Federal Credit Union, People's National Bank, Drung
Thai Bank Ltd., Bank of Commerce Berhad, Unisys Corp, Corestates
Financial Corp, Novorosiysk Industrial Commercial Ecobank, Royal
Bank of Trinidad and Tobago, United Overseas Bank (Singapore),
Soneri Bank Ltd (Pakistan), Banco National Ultramarino SA
(Macao), BMJ Financial Corp, Security Bank (Arkansas),
Hiberia National Bank, Glendale Federal Bank, First Alabama
Bancshares, Union Bank of Manila, First Pacific National
Bank, Pine Bluff National Bank, Consolidated Bank (Miami),
Citibank of Australia, Savings Bank of the Russian Federation,
Family Bank, Sabine State Bank  Trust, Central Bank, Chemical
Bank, Citibank, Moscow Savings Bank, National Home Mortgage
Company, Barclays Bank PLC, Keycorp, Bank IV Kansas, Borel
of California, Dime Bancorp, and Bellsouth Cellular Corp.

According to John E. Steuri, Chief Executive Officer, President,
and Chairman of the Board of Systematics:  "Today, we have
banking, financial services, cellular telephone and hospital
clients in thirty-six (36) countries outside the United States"
(memo from John Steuri to Jim Norman, March 8, 1995, with the
subject listed as "Systematics").

Attorney Charles O. Morgan sent threatening letters to, among others,
Agora Inc., publisher of Strategic Investment (824 East Baltimore
Street, Baltimore, MD 21202-4799), to David Fondiller and Jim Norman
of Forbes (62 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10011), and to Bill Hamilton
of Inslaw Inc. (1125 15th St. N.W., #300, Washington D.C.
20005-2707, phone 202/828-8600).

In denying various allegations, Charles O. Morgan makes personal
claims of knowledge that border on the supernatural.  For
example, Strategic Investment had written in its March 22,
1995, issue:  "Several years ago, investigative reporter Danny
Cassalario [sic] spent many months investigating the Inslaw
case.  He told associates that his probe had revealed an
astonishing tale of corruption that he intended to reveal in
a story entitled 'The Octopus.'  He was days away from
completing his story when he was found dead, allegedly a
'suicide.' "

In his March 28, 1995, letter to Agora, Inc., Charles O. Morgan
makes the blanket assertion:

"Systematics was not in any way involved in any investigation
by Danny Cassalario [sic]" (page 2).

How could Charles O. Morgan possibly know what topics Danny
Casolaro, a private journalist, was investigating at the
time of Casolaro's death?

Was Charles O. Morgan in close communication with Danny
Casolaro at the time of Casolaro's death?

Did Charles O. Morgan examine Casolaro's papers and notes
following Casolaro's death, to determine if there were any
references to Systematics?

Or 

Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

1999-01-16 Thread PRUDYL

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In a message dated 1/15/99 8:19:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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 Sex, period.  Not 'sexual relations', not 'sex act'...it's all parsing
 words, anyways, cuz anyone with half a brain knows sex = sex act = sexual
 relations 

It's interesting as a matter of discussion, but for some it's a matter of
getting fired.  According to the AP writer, Brenda Coleman (reported in my
morning paper), one Dr. George D. Lundberg, editor of The Journal of the
American Medical Association for l7 years was fired Friday for publishing a
what-is-sex survey of college students to coincide with President Clinton's
impeachment trial.   The article - "Would You Say You Had Sex' If...? found
that 59 percent of college students surveyed did not consider having oral sex
as having "had sex."   What is and what isn't having sexual relations is
obviously very serious business.  Or at least it is to the AMA.   Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Striped Sleeves Mean Impeachment Is Military?

1999-01-16 Thread Edward Ford

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Teo1000 and all,
Last night on the local 10pm news, I saw a dated news clip from Clinton's 2nd
inauguration, where he was taking the oath of office from the chief justice...the
"gold stripes" were present then...I don't know what the story was referring to
however,  the audio was muted and, I was reading and just glanced up and saw the
stripes, smiled at the conspiracy of it all, and went back to my book. Figured I'd
post the info today, thanks for the lead-in Teo1000.

Rusty

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 In a message dated 1/15/99 7:22:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   In 1994, Perrine played the
  role of the Lord Chancellor in "Iolanthe" on a night when Rehnquist was in
  the audience. Afterwards, the Chief Justice had the gold-striped Lord
  Chancellor's robe copied. Perrine also performed in "Patience" in 1986, when
  Rehnquist had a walk-on part. (Note: The Victorian Lyric Opera Company is
  performing "Princess Ida" by Gilbert and Sullivan weekdays from February 17
  through March 7. For more information, contact 301-879-0220.) (3:00)
  -- 

 Well, it doesn't say how long afterward it was copied, or whether he ever wore
 it during other proceedings.
 Teo1000

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[CTRL] test-delete

1999-01-16 Thread KFord74987

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: ANTI-CLINTON ADS KNOCK BROADCASTER OFF-AIR

1999-01-16 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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I think this where a lot of people get into to trouble with freedom of the
communication.  They neglect remembering there are editors and owners with
agendae beyond the scope of everyday pleasantries.  There may be instances
when the story or item is compelling but even those don't come out of the
dark.  Unfortunately there seems to be disconnect between what people ought
to be able to say and what they're allowed to say.  For those who freewheel
on the owners' (or even taxpayers') time, they should be able to have some
idea of what the consequences of their actions, gaffes, or boners will be
-- especially after what?  13 years in this case?  I imagine some
broadcaster-types aspire to an Imus or a Stern or someone of their ilk but
one wonders what even they have (had) to do to get and stay on the air.


"" McKinnon told CNS that Hedgcock will remain off-the-air at KUSI "until
Roger decides to live up to his contract."
"" "Roger's talking about Clinton lying - he'd better watch his own act,"
said McKinnon. "We just told him that it wasn't in the guidelines that we
agreed to, and that we weren't going to let him do it until we talked about
it. This came out of the dark. He blindsided us on this show," said
McKinnon. ""


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: Subject: [CTRL] Fw: ANTI-CLINTON ADS KNOCK BROADCASTER OFF-AIR
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: Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 2:54 AM
: Subject: ANTI-CLINTON ADS KNOCK BROADCASTER OFF-AIR
:
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: ANTI-CLINTON ADS KNOCK BROADCASTER OFF-AIR
:
: CNS
: January 15, 1999
:
: (CNS) – While President Bill Clinton awaits the outcome of a Senate
: impeachment trial originally spawned by a "he-said, she-said"
: lawsuit, a San Diego broadcaster is involved in a "he-said, he-
: said" standoff with a local television station owner.
:
: Roger Hedgcock, a talk radio host on KOGO radio and a commentator
: for KUSI television, has been relieved of his TV duties following a
: Tuesday broadcast in which he promoted an anti-Clinton advertising
: campaign.
:
: Hedgcock told CNS that KUSI informed him Wednesday evening that he
: was "suspended until further notice," because of his TV commentary
: about the "Dear Mr. President" radio campaign, in which children
: read imaginary letters to Clinton seeking his advice on how to get
: out of trouble for lying.
:
: The ads have been running this week in Washington, D.C. and New
: York City, and the ad's producer, San Diego songwriter Steve Vaus,
: has been trying to raise money to run the ads in other cities
: across the country.
:
: "Along with Gingrich and Livingston, I've now lost my job for
: advocating that Clinton lose his," said Hedgcock, who's done
: commentary for KUSI since the mid-1990s and been a top-rated San
: Diego broadcaster for 13 years.
:
: According to Hedgcock, KUSI was uncomfortable with his idea of
: doing a commentary about Vaus and his commercials, and the TV
: station suggested he instead do a segment on pornography publisher
: Larry Flynt and his quest for sexual information on Republican
: Members of Congress.
:
: But Hedgcock did the segment on Vaus Tuesday and was taken off the
: air at KUSI. The following day, Hedgcock went on his radio show to
: talk about the TV station's move, and asked listeners to call KUSI
: to complain, a move Hedgcock said led to a telephone call from KUSI
: interim news director Greg Rawdin.
:
: "He said 'you're suspended until further notice,'" Hedgcock told
: CNS. "He said 'we don't want you talking about this o the radio.'"
: When contacted by CNS, Rawdin refused to comment about his
: conversation with Hedgcock, but KUSI owner Mike McKinnon denied
: that he or Rawdin tried to muzzle Hedgcock on his radio show.
:
: McKinnon disputed other aspects of Hedgcock's account of the
: situation as well, telling CNS that the broadcaster was put "on
: hiatus" because he aired a commentary without prior station
: approval. McKinnon also said Hedgcock wasn't telling the truth
: about the circumstances surrounding his absence from KUSI's
: airwaves.
:
: "Roger's talking about Clinton lying - he'd better watch his own
: act," said 

[CTRL] Fwd: Canadian Court Ruling on Kiddie Porn

1999-01-16 Thread RoadsEnd





Canada Rules on Child Porn Case

VANCOUVER, British Columbia (AP) -- A provincial judge ruled Friday that
Canada's law against possessing child pornography violates the freedom-of-
expression clause of the country's Charter of Rights.

``There is no evidence that demonstrates a significant increase in the danger
to children caused by pornography,'' ruled Duncan Shaw, a justice of British
Columbia's Supreme Court.

He said the section of the Criminal Code that outlaws possession of child
pornography is invalid because it violates charter provisions guaranteeing
freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression.

The case involved pornography possession charges against John Sharpe. Police
raided his home near Vancouver in April 1995, seizing compact disks, photos
and writings about child pornography.

Prosecutors argued that allowing people to possess child pornography puts
children at risk from pedophiles. But Shaw said the contention that materials
depicting illegal sex with children actually prompt people to commit such acts
was ``only assumption.''

``The intrusion into freedom of expression and the right of privacy is so
profound that it is not outweighed by the limited beneficial effects of the
prohibition,'' Shaw wrote.

The provincial attorney general, Ujjal Dosanjh, said he needed time to study
the ruling before commenting or deciding on an appeal.

However, Barry Penner, justice spokesman for the opposition Liberal Party in
the provincial legislature, said the province should appeal immediately ``to
look after children ... and protect them from being abused by sexual
deviants.''




[CTRL] Larry Flynt Stoned

1999-01-16 Thread Gerald Harp

 -Caveat Lector-

January 16, 1999


JOURNAL/ By FRANK RICH
Larry Flynt Stoned


We didn't need Larry Flynt to tell us that Bob Barr is a hypocrite. The
Georgia Congressman's sleazy marital history was already public back in '96
when he had the gall to champion an absurd bill called the Defense of Marriage
Act -- which that other proud defender of marriage, Bill Clinton, then signed
into law. But we may need Larry Flynt anyway -- not to expose any impeachment
manager's sex life but simply because his very presence exposes the
disingenuousness of everybody else, conservative and liberal, Republican and
Democrat, press and public, who inhabits the epic Bosch canvas that is
Monicagate. In the land of the pious hypocrite, the honest pornographer is
king.

After a year in which the President repeatedly told us he didn't have sex with
that woman, and his antagonists repeatedly told us that their case "is not
about sex," and the media constantly lamented how horribly sad they were to be
covering this sex-driven, albeit lucrative, story, Mr. Flynt's candor is
downright refreshing. In interviews, he refers to himself as a "smut
publisher" who wants "to sell [his] magazine," not a public-minded seeker of
truth. He openly declares his partisanship ("I love Clinton. He's a great
President.") and eagerly declares his hope to have "the effect of derailing
the impeachment process." The Hustler editor who serves as Mr. Flynt's
collaborator in tracking down Congressional trysts unabashedly describes their
enterprise as "vandalism," not journalism.

It is almost too delicious to watch Mr. Flynt throw his higher-minded
colleagues in the news business into conniptions. Washington's bloviator-in-
chief, David Broder, brooded on PBS about how "the mainstream press" is now
having its agenda set by "the bottom-feeders in our business" -- and yet he
works for the paper (The Washington Post) that first asked the adultery
question to a Presidential candidate (Gary Hart) and is a regular on "Meet the
Press," the first mainstream Sunday gabfest that made a panelist out of Matt
Drudge, the Clinton-haters' answer to Flynt (though not as factually
accurate).


Mr. Flynt's antics have similarly prompted many mainstream TV news outlets --
CNBC, ABC's "20/ 20," CNN, "CBS This Morning" -- to demonstrate yet again
that, for all their pious declarations to the contrary, the scandals they care
most about are those with sex.

The sexual allegations about Mr. Barr have received far more play than the
revelations of the Congressman's involvement with a white supremacist
organization -- much as TV pursued Monica rather than Clinton fund-raising and
wag-the-dog scandals, and largely ignored Henry Hyde's S.L. shenanigans and
Dan Burton's campaign-finance chicanery to air their sexual histories instead.
The viewing audience, which tells pollsters it's had enough sex, exercises its
own hypocrisy by rewarding Mr. Flynt's appearance on "Rivera Live" with the
show's highest rating since the O. J. civil verdict.

The other hypocrites unmasked by Mr. Flynt's pranks could fill a cabinet
department. It's hard to stop laughing when Dick Morris, who sucked
prostitutes' toes while on the White House payroll, decries the publisher for
"degrading American politics." Jerry Falwell, a past Flynt legal foe, now goes
on TV to condemn his old adversary's tactics -- never mind that Mr. Falwell
himself marketed a video accusing the President of murder.

Conservative politicians and publications that happily feasted on a tabloid's
purchase of Gennifer Flowers's revelations and the recent Drudge-spread hoax
about an illegitimate Clinton son are now fuming about Mr. Flynt. Liberals and
feminists who vehemently attacked a Hollywood film for ostensibly sanitizing
the Hustler publisher's odious depiction of women are curiously silent about
his pursuit of Barr  Co. As for the President, his spokesman, Joe Lockhart,
says that his boss wants Mr. Flynt to "cease and desist." Oh, puh-leeze!

Larry Flynt is a bull in the china shop of false pieties, empty pretensions
and sexual sermonizing that have brought us to this low moment in American
history. On Thursday, alas, he checked into a Los Angeles hospital with
pneumonia. The networks that have been broadcasting soap operas rather than
the Senate trial their anchors keep telling us is "historic" can only pray
that Mr. Flynt, who has it in his power to make impeachment must-see TV again,
gets well soon.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Antichrist a Jew, Says Falwell

1999-01-16 Thread RoadsEnd





 At the First Coming, Jesus Christ was a Jew.
 At the SECOND Coming, though, if he's STILL a Jew, he's the Antichrist.


Falwell: Antichrist Probably Jewish

WILLIAMSBURG, Va. (AP) -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell said the Antichrist is
probably alive today and is a male Jew. He also believes the second coming of
Christ probably will be within 10 years.

In a speech Thursday about the concern people have over the new millennium,
Falwell told about 1,500 people at a conference on evangelism at Kingsport,
Tenn., that the Antichrist is male and is a Jew.

``Who will the antichrist be? I don't know. Nobody else knows,'' said Falwell,
whose Sunday morning services at Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg are
carried by television stations nationwide.

``Is he alive and here today? Probably. Because when he appears during the
Tribulation period he will be a full-grown counterfeit of Christ. Of course
he'll be Jewish. Of course he'll pretend to be Christ. And if in fact the Lord
is coming soon, and he'll be an adult at the presentation of himself, he must
be alive somewhere today.''

According to the Bible, the Antichrist will spread universal evil before the
end of the world but will be finally conquered at the second coming of Christ.

Falwell, the chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg and founder of the
now-defunct Moral Majority, said Friday in Williamsburg that he did not intend
for his statement to be anti-Jewish. He said he meant only that the Antichrist
must be Jewish because Jesus Christ was a Jew.

``If he's going to be the counterfeit of Christ, he has to be Jewish,''
Falwell said. ``The only thing we know is he must be male and Jewish.''

Rabbi James Rudin, the director of inter-religious affairs for the American
Jewish Committee in New York, said the comment surprised him because he knows
Falwell is a strong supporter of Israel and is not anti-Jewish.

``This is part of what I call millennial madness,'' Rudin said. ``To single
out any one man and particularly to identify him as Jewish plays into some
latent and historical anti-Semitism from the past.''




[CTRL] Fwd: UN and World Bank Confer

1999-01-16 Thread RoadsEnd





U.N., World Bank Discuss Assistance

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The heads of several U.N. agencies and the World Bank chief
met Friday to explore how they can bridge the gap between the time
humanitarian emergency aid runs out and longer term development aid arrives.

``War doesn't end with a neat peace process,'' said Sadako Ogata, the U.N.
High Commissioner for Refugees, which provides immediate care and shelter for
refugees.

``When the war subsides, our work supposedly subsides and ... then the
development agencies arrive much later,'' she added. ``This in-between period
is very important because if this is addressed properly perhaps we can prevent
the recurrence of conflict.''

The meeting at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank, also
included World Bank president James Wolfensohn and the heads of the U.N.
Development Program, the World Food Program and UNICEF, the U.N. children's
fund.




[CTRL] Fwd: Hillary: It Takes a Village -- on Mars

1999-01-16 Thread RoadsEnd





 Okay, let me guess ... Whose law firm will make big bucks (through a
government monopoly) handling the title to Martian real estate for aging
yuppies with Alzheimer's?


Mrs. Clinton, Kids Dream of Mars

WASHINGTON (AP) -- First lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and arts officials kicked
off planning Thursday for the first permanent station on Mars by some of the
schoolkids who may eventually go there.

Youngsters are being asked to think about the year 2030 and a ``Millennium
Mars Project.'' So far, only small experimental vehicles have been landed on
Mars.

``We will all be reliving, through these young people's imagination, what it
means to create a new world,'' Ms. Clinton said during the kickoff at the
National Air and Space Museum, part of the Smithsonian Institution.

The idea is to get pupils and high school students working with scientists and
technicians on the design for a permanent Mars settlement, according to
officials at the National Endowment for the Arts, which is putting $500,000
into the project.

``Our young citizens will not only imagine what new dance and music and
painting will emerge in a community on Mars,'' said NEA Chairman Bill Ivey,
``but they must also consider what our interplanetary pioneers will carry with
them. They will need creative minds -- imagination and ingenuity -- to solve
the problems they are certain to encounter as they invent their new world.''

Before her speech, Mrs. Clinton and Donna Shirley, who managed the Mars
Pathfinder project, met 15 pupils from Washington's Anne Beers Elementary
School.

Sitting under a prototype space suit for visitors to Mars, they talked about
work the children have done on how they imagined living conditions would be --
based on what has already been discovered about conditions on the planet.




[CTRL] Navy Trained Political Assassins? A-albionic Weekly Up-date

1999-01-16 Thread Lloyd Miller

 -Caveat Lector-

A-albionic Research Weekly Up-date of 1-16-99


---
 In This Issue
 ^^

1.  Navy Trained Political Assassins?

2.  Recent Additions and Up-Dates to Recommended Reading


--

1.  Navy Trained Political Assassins?


 London Sunday Times
Navy Commander Thomas Narut, stationed in Naples, admitted
at a NATO conference to a training program for killers.
According to Harry Martin and David Caul:

A U.S. Navy psychologist, who claims that the Office of Naval
Intelligence had taken convicted murderers from military prisons, used
behavior modification techniques on them, and then relocated them in
American embassies throughout the world. Just prior to that time, the
U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee had censured the CIA for its
global political assassination plots, including plots against Fidel
Castro. The Navy psychologist was Lt. Commander Thomas Narut of
the U.S. Regional Medical Center in Naples, Italy. The information
was divulged at an Oslo NATO conference of 120 psychologists from
the eleven nation alliance.
According to Dr. Narut, the U.S. Navy was an excellent place for a
researcher to find "captive personnel" whom they could could use as
guinea pigs in experiments. The Navy provided all the funding
necessary, according to Narut.

Dr. Narut, in a question and answer session with reporters from many
nations, revealed how the Navy was secretly programming large
numbers of assassins.  He said that the men he had worked with for
the Navy were being prepared for commando-type operations, as well
as covert operations in U.S. embassies worldwide. He described the
men who went through his program as "hit men and assassins" who
could kill on command.

Careful screening of the subjects was accomplished by Navy
psychologists through the military records, and those who actually
received assignments where their training could be utilized, were
drawn mainly from submarine crews, the paratroops, and many were
convicted murderers serving military prison sentences. Several men
who had been awarded medals for bravery were drafted into the
program.

The assassins were conditioned through "audio-visual
desensitization". The process involved the showing of films of people
being injured or killed in a variety of ways, starting with very mild
depictions, leading up to the more extreme forms of mayhem.
Eventually, the subjects would be able to detach their feelings even
when viewing the most horrible of films. The conditioning was most
successful when applied to "passive-aggressive" types, and most of
these ended up being able to kill without any regrets. The prime
indicator of violent tendencies was the Minnesota Multiphasic
Personality Inventory. Dr. Narut knew of two Navy programming
centers, the neuropsychiatric laboratory in San Diego and the U.S.
Regional Medical Center in Italy, where he worked.

During the audio-visual desensitization programming, restraints were
used to force the subject to view the films. A device was used on the
subjects eyelids to prevent him from blinking. Typically, the
preliminary film was on an African youth being ritualistically
circumcised with a dull knife and without any anesthetic. The second
film showed a sawmill scene in which a man accidentally cut off his
fingers.

In addition to the desensitization films, the potential assassins
underwent programming to create prejudicial attitude in the men, to
think of their future enemies, especially the leaders of these
countries, as sub-human. Films and lectures were presented
demeaning the culture and habits of the people of the countries
where it had been decided they would be sent.

After his NATO lecture, Dr. Narut disappeared. He could not be
located. Within a week of so after the lecture, the Pentagon issued an
emphatic denial that the U.S. Navy had "engaged in psychological
training or other types of training of personnel as assassins." They
disavowed the programming centers in San Diego and Naples and
stated they were unable to locate Narut, but did provide confirmation
that he was a staff member of the U.S. Regional Medical Center in
Naples.

Dr. Alfred Zitani, an American delegate to the Oslo conference, did
verify Narut's remarks and they were published in the Sunday Times.

Sometime later, Dr. Narut surfaced again in London and recanted his
remarks, stating that he was "talking in theoretical and not practical
terms." Shortly thereafter, the U.S. Naval headquarters in London
issued a statement indicating that Dr. Narut's remarks at the NATO
conference should be discounted because he had "personal
problems". Dr. Narut never made any further public statements about
the program.

During the NATO conference in Oslo, Dr. Narut had remarked 

Re: [CTRL] MICROSOFT AND THE BAVARIAN ILLUMINATI

1999-01-16 Thread Barb Witt

 -Caveat Lector-

One thing has always puzzled me and I respectfully request the experienced
conspiracy researchers on this list to explain how the movements, actions
and membership of *supersecret* organizations seems to be common
knowledge??  One post even talked about a meeting surrounded with armed
guards to ensure privacy, and then proceeded to set forth the meeting
attendees and agenda.  I would sincerely appreciate clarification, or if
you know whether something is in the archives already.

Also, organizations touting great secrecy and knowledge to which only a few
are privy advertising in the back of magazines and all over the Internet?
Seems contradictory and certainly not very secret.

Thanks,

Barb

At 02:21 PM 1/15/99 -0800, SW wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com

http://www.konformist.com/1999/ms33.htm

MICROSOFT AND THE BAVARIAN ILLUMINATI

 "The chessboard is the world, the pieces are the phenomena of the
 universe, the rules of the game are the laws of nature. The player on
 the other side is hidden from us." -- Thomas Henry Huxley

 "In every grain of wheat there lies hidden the soul of a star."
 -- Arthur Machen

 "The Old Ones were, the Old Ones are and the Old Ones will be... not
 in the spaces we know of, but _between_ them ... Yog-Sothoth is the
 Gate." -- Abd al-Hazred, _Al Azif_

 "All perception is inferential; all inference uncertain; all
 theory, a combination of perception and inference, is therefore
 educated guessing."
 -- de Selby, _Golden Hours_, I, 93

These days most people have heard of Microsoft Corporation, and its
founder Bill Gates. The majority of computers in use today use Microsoft
system software, and those that do not often run applications from
Microsoft. However, few people know the true story behind the rise of
Microsoft and even fewer suspect the terrible cosmic secrets that are
concealed beneath the facade of a successful software company.

In the Object Linking and Embedding 2.0 Programmer's Reference there is
a very curious term. On page 78, the second paragraph starts with the
sentence, "In the aggregation model, this internal communication is
achieved through coordination with a special instance of IUnknown
interface known as the controlling unknown of the aggregate." The term
"controlling unknown" is a very interesting choice of words. It is not the
most
intuitively obvious term for what it is describing (a base class used for
implementing an object-oriented data exchange/embedding system).

A term strikingly similar to "controlling unknown" was the term "unknown
superiors", used by many occult secret societies. These included the Strict
Observance Masonic lodge, whose members were sometimes referred to
as "illuminati", and which had some connection with Adam Weishaupt's
order. "Unknown superiors" is a term that refers to non-corporeal or
superhuman agencies in command of secret societies or mystery cults.
Such an agency is frequently known as the "inner head" of an order of
organisation, as opposed to the outer head, who is human.

Organisations that claimed or were claimed to be commanded by such
"unknown superiors" include the Ordo Templi Orientis of Aleister Crowley
and the Knights Templar, whose Inner Head was apparently a being named
Baphomet.

Apart from the term "controlling unknown", another hint at the secrets
behind Microsoft is the fact that Microsoft Windows has a limit of five
window device contexts. Five is a decidedly odd number for such an
application, being neither a power of two nor one less than a power of two,
but let us not forget Adam Weishaupt's discovery of the Law of Fives in the
Necronomicon*.

Few people for sure how many buildings there are in the Microsoft campus
in Redmond, WA. No maps of the entire facility are known to exist. Some
Microsoft employees put the estimate at six or three. An article in an
Australian newspaper has claimed that there are 22 buildings. That is partly
true; however, there is another building, hidden from the public and even
from most Microsoft employees. The twenty-third building, or Building 7, is
pentagonal in shape; its exact location is known only to five people (of
whom Bill Gates may be one), however it is believed that the building is
accessible from elsewhere in the Microsoft campus by a secret passage.

What is in the five sided building is not known. However, it is believed that
the contents of Building 7 are of a supernatural nature. Apart from the
Pentagon, there was a similar five-sided building in Nazi Germany. This
has been carefully kept hidden from the public. One hypothesis is that
Building 7 is inhabited by, or used to communicate with, the Inner Head, or
"controlling unknown". The identity of the Outer Head is unknown. Bill Gates
may be the Outer Head, a high initiate of the conspiracy or just a
figurehead whose purpose it 

Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

1999-01-16 Thread Barb Witt

 -Caveat Lector-

At 12:17 PM 1/15/99 -0600, Linda Minor wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

Carlene M. Wojahn wrote:

 Someone correct me if I'm wrong.  Isn't the only thing Clinton admitted
to
 lying about the fact that he had sex with Monica Lewinsky?

Ahhh...but he hasn't admitted that..you see they didn't have sexual
relations...he wasn't having any with her, she was having relations with
him.

+++
The point so many people seem to be missing is that this whole scandal
started with a lawsuit brought by a woman whose credibility is severely in
question, at a time when the law was not even clear whether a civil lawsuit
could be brought against a sitting president.

The law was clear to everyone, especially Clinton and his counsel.

---Snip-

Suppose for a moment that she lied about what happened.  Suppose also that
the lawyers were acting on behalf of politically motivated individuals who
hate Clinton for political reasons only--because his policies hurt their
pocketbooks, for example.

Lawyers taking a matter to trial on behalf of politically motivated
plaintiff(s) - now that's something that you don't see every single day on
every docket in the country!!

Suppose these same people knew Monica's
proclivities and Bill's weakness and set up a scenario for him to fall into,
while at the same time pushing the Jones case through the court so that
depositions could be taken.  Then they monitored Monica's reports through
agents Tripp and Goldberg, making sure any available evidence (like the
dress) is preserved.

I believe this scenario--given the connections between Ted and Barbara
Olson, Kenneth Starr, the Rutherford Foundation and Richard Mellon
Scaife--is much more credible than the "common sense" allegations Starr
presented to Congress, without any real evidence, such as any small-town
prosecutor in Texas would have to have in order to convict anybody for
anything.  If the real evidence he had, and the way he got it were revealed,
and were subject to cross-examination in a real court, the judge would
dismiss the case without presenting it to the jury.

Linda

Assuming, arguendo, that your imaginary scenario is true, it proves nothing
other than Clinton is lacking in self-control and easily manipulated.  The
rest is entertaining, but clearly irrelevant.

Barb


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[CTRL] Fast Track 99

1999-01-16 Thread BStokes45

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Subj:Fast Track '99
Date:   99-01-15 17:21:42 EST
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We are often asked, "Will the transnational corporate 'free trade' lobby and
their running dog political lackeys in Washington DC actually endeavor to
pass 'Fast Track' to expand the flawed and failed NAFTA model during the
opening weeks of the 106th Congress?"

Now this is an excellent question and, really, the answer depends on who you
talk to.  Here at Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch, as many of you know,
we tend to take a pessimistic perspective -- often an even alarmist attitude
-- about the legislative calendar and the resources of the Bizness
Roundtable (and their astroturf booster squads like ALOT! and GO TRADE!).
That is to say, we err (when we err) on the side of caution; and all things
being equal, we figure they'll go for it, after trying to lure the forces of
Fair Trade into a false sence of coalitional confidence.

So we naturally urge all the Fair Trade activists in this country -- whether
from labor unions or environmental organizations or family farm groups or
progressive congregations or protectionist militias -- to contact their
congressional delegations NOW, especially the new members.   In subsequent
postings to this modest list-serve, we will offer sample letters to
congress-members and newspaper editors.  In the meantime, everybody should
get on talk radio; also:

1)  Our prize-wining web-site is www.tradewatch.org
2)  JoC (1/12/99) suggests that the GOP House leadership will be pushing for
Fast Track.
3)  Inside US Trade (1/15/99) suggests that the White House may not have the
stomach for it.
4)  An anonymous friend alerts us to the opening gambit of the Senate
Finance Committee (a source of much pro-corporate trade policy mischief in
the waning days of the 105th Congress).
*
Journal of Commerce
Tuesday, January 12, 1999

Rep. Archer sees Congress passing fast-track legislation by April
SANTIAGO - Rep. Bill Archer, chairman of House of Representative's Ways
and Means Committee, said he sees Congress approving 'fast- track'
negotiating authority legislation before April.
Mr. Archer, who was heading a congressional delegation in Chile, said
Chile would be the first country with which the legislation would be
used to negotiate a free-trade agreement.
The legislator's comments run counter to most U.S. trade analysts, who
have said the Clinton impeachment scandal over lying about his sexual
relationship with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky will likely
knock fast track off Congress' attention this year.
'We are hopeful we'll be able to pass fast-track no later than April of
this year,' Mr. Archer, a Republican, told reporters after meeting with
Chilean Finance Minister Eduardo Aninat.
He added he was optimistic Congress would grant the Clinton
administration broad 'fast-track' authority to negotiate with other
countries besides Chile.
Mr. Archer said he thought Congress had a better chance of getting
enough votes to approve the negotiating authority. 'We are prepared to
put every effort into getting the votes necessary to pass (fast-track),'
he said.
He believes that Chile would be incorporated as the fourth member of the
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), rather than negotiate a
bilateral agreement with the US. Chile has already signed comprehensive
bilateral free-trade pacts with Canada and Mexico, the other 2 NAFTA
members.
Chile's incorporation into NAFTA is tied to the creation of a Free Trade
Area of the Americas (FTAA), an initiative agreed upon by the heads of
state of the Americas at last year's America's Summit

*
WHITE HOUSE STRUGGLING TO SOLIDIFY FAST-TRACK POSITION THIS MONTH
___
Date: January 15, 1999 - Inside US Trade -

The Clinton Administration is struggling with how to handle fast-track
negotiating authority this year, and has stepped up efforts to seek
industry advice on a possible fast-track initiative, according to
industry sources. These sources said two events that will likely force
the Administration to indicate its position seem to be driving these
recent efforts.

One is President Clinton's upcoming State of the Union address, which
may mention a trade agenda in some way. Sources said that at press time,
it was still unclear how much the speech would mention trade, or whether
fast track would specifically be mentioned.

The other event is a scheduled three-day Senate Finance Committee
hearing on trade, sources said. U.S. Trade Representative Charlene
Barshefsky, Commerce Secretary William Daley and Treasury Secretary
Robert Rubin are scheduled to testify on the first day of this hearing.

"The first question to Barshefsky will probably be on fast track," one
industry source, which he 

[CTRL] Impeachent: 01-16

1999-01-16 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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Makes ya feel like you're watching a "Rocky" movie, eh?  No?



From wsws.org

WSWS : News  Analysis : North America : Clinton Impeachment

The Senate impeachment trial

Democrats paralyzed as Republicans present their case against Clinton

By the Editorial Board
16 January, 1999

In the first two days of the Senate impeachment trial, the House
Republicans have established their line of attack--to portray Clinton's
ineffectual attempt to conceal his relationship with Monica Lewinsky as a
crime against the "rule of law."

The aim of the Republicans is to ensure that the trial proceeds within the
framework established by the conspirators who organized the entrapment of
Clinton in the first place. The issue to be considered is not the
right-wing cabal that underlies the impeachment trial, but whether or not
Clinton committed "perjury" and "obstruction of justice."

The opening statements of House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde,
James Sensenbrenner, Asa Hutchinson and their cohorts were laced with
charlatanry and deceit. In their hands, the politically-directed lawsuit of
Paula Jones--which was orchestrated by the extreme right to destabilize the
Clinton administration--has been repackaged as a "civil rights" case.
Portraying Paula Jones as a champion of civil rights and justice for women,
Sensenbrenner argued that the removal of Clinton was necessary to defend
racial and gender equality. This pretense would be laughable were its
purpose not so reactionary and menacing to the working class.

It is all the more preposterous given the fact that--as Sensenbrenner and
everyone else in the Senate chamber were well aware--one of the Republican
prosecutors, Georgia Rep. Bob Barr, and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott
have been exposed as supporters of a white supremacist organization called
the Council of Conservative Citizens.

The Republican strategy can only succeed as long as the Democrats refuse to
expose the political conspiracy behind the impeachment drive. Yet the White
House and the Democrats have no intention of doing this and are therefore
entirely on the defensive. In the first week of the trial they gave the
Republicans an enormous political victory by voting unanimously for a
bipartisan procedural resolution, thereby endowing the proceedings with
precisely what the Republican plotters required--a cloak of constitutional
legitimacy.

Now they have accepted the Republican framework within which Clinton is to
be judged. The White House strategy, such as it is, rests on opposing the
calling of witnesses and arguing that the offenses alleged in the articles
of impeachment do not merit Clinton's removal from office. This position
plays directly into the hands of Clinton's enemies. It allows them to
posture as the upholders of the truth and the law, and portray the White
House as a guilty party desperate to avoid a full airing of the facts.

The only effective and principled strategy for the White House would be to
expose the fraudulent character of the Senate trial and denounce the
impeachment drive for what it is--a political coup d'etat. If the Democrats
were serious about conducting a struggle, they would use the Republican
demand for witnesses as an opening to call to the stand a whole series of
people who have been involved in the political conspiracy: Kenneth Starr,
Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, the Paula Jones lawyers, right-wing
publisher Richard Mellon Scaife, to name a few.

But they reject this option out of hand, despite the overwhelming
opposition of the public to the impeachment process. Clinton's entire
record, from the Whitewater provocation to the present, has been an
unending series of maneuvers and concessions. The one consistent thread has
been the refusal of the White House and the Democratic Party to expose the
machinations of the right wing and make an appeal to the American people to
oppose their attack on democratic rights.

This is what enables the Republicans to proceed and escalate their
offensive. They are now demanding that Clinton testify before the Senate,
laying yet another legal and political trap for the White House. At the
same time they are holding secret strategy sessions between Senate "jurors"
and the House prosecutors.

The Republicans want to extend the trial as long as they can. They
calculate that the longer it continues without any resistance from the
Democrats, the more public opposition will erode.

Whatever the outcome of the impeachment trial, whether it ends in Clinton's
acquittal, conviction or resignation, the very fact that these proceedings
are taking place testifies to an unprecedented political crisis and
breakdown of democratic institutions in America.

A cabal of neo-fascist politicians, professional right-wing conspirators
and gutter journalists has been able to entrap an elected president and
leverage a sexual encounter into an impeachment and trial without any
significant opposition from within the political 

[CTRL] Fwd: Clinton to Sell Federal Agencies, Cheap

1999-01-16 Thread RoadsEnd





Sale of Gov't Housing Agency Mulled

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Clinton administration is considering a proposal to
privatize a government housing agency as it searches for more money for next
year's budget, but the potential impact on consumers remains unclear.

The White House's budget arm is considering the plan to sell the Government
National Mortgage Association, known as Ginnie Mae, for several billion
dollars to help offset the costs of new spending programs.

Ginnie Mae is a wholly owned government corporation within the Department of
Housing and Urban Development. It guarantees securities backed by pools of
mortgages that are issued by private institutions. The mortgages are insured
by the Federal Housing Administration or guaranteed by the Veterans
Administration or by the Rural Housing Service.

``It's a conceptual proposal that still needs to be developed,'' said Victor
Lambert, a HUD spokesman. ``It's an intriguing concept, but the devils are in
the details.''

Ginnie Mae increases the supply of credit available for housing by
guaranteeing payments even if borrowers can't make them. It generates $400
million a year for the government, but can bring in as much as $600 million.
That is reason enough for the cash-strapped housing department to be less than
eager to relinquish it, say some.

``HUD never likes to lose anything, because they've lost so much already,''
says Calvin Bradford, who runs a fair housing and lending consulting firm in
Williamsburg, Va.

Almost 19 million homes have been financed through Ginnie Mae securities. The
agency finances more than 12 percent of all the nation's mortgages.

President Clinton has already trumpeted proposals to increase military
readiness, improve food safety and expand Medicare. The sale of Ginnie Mae
could be one way to balance out the expenses in the budget plan, along with a
proposal to raise taxes on cigarettes.

The impact of any Ginnie Mae sale on home loans is unclear. Any charter to set
it up a privatized company must answer whether Ginnie Mae has the backing of
the Treasury Department and whether it will change the fees it pays as
incentives to lenders to service loans.

HUD will not speculate on the potential impact of any sale, calling it
``premature,'' Lambert said.

According to a person familiar with the negotiations, HUD helped revise a plan
initially proposed by the budget office to make it more ``tailored and
practical.''

One possible result is that the administration could bar mortgage giants
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from bidding to buy it.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are government-chartered mortgage market companies
that function like commercial corporations and are publicly traded. They
compete with FHA, part of the housing department, which insures mortgage
loans.

``I assume they want this privatized Ginnie Mae to stand on its own and
compete against Freddie and Fannie,'' said bank analyst Bert Ely of
Alexandria, Va.

Last month, the administration also considered adding a fee to Fannie Mae
transactions. The plan was dropped after drawing strong opposition from those
``who did not want to see a tax on homeownership,'' said John Buckley, Fannie
Mae's senior vice president for communications.




[CTRL] OEN 1/16/99

1999-01-16 Thread RoadsEnd

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from:
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A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A
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It Takes a Parking Lot to Raise a Cub

Black Bears Prefer Hondas  Toyotas

BEARS in Yosemite National Park in California know exactly where to go
foraging for food - they choose either Honda or Toyota cars.
Forest rangers are convinced that the animals have learned to select
specific models. Last year was a record for what rangers call "car
clouting". Yosemite black bears clawed into 1,103 vehicles, causing
£400,000 of damage, according to the Wall Street Journal.

In only two months, bears broke into 28 Hondas and 21 Toyotas. By
contrast they tampered with only two Buicks and one Lexus.

Steven Thompson, the park's biologist, said mother bears were teaching
their cubs how to "clout". A favourite technique was to insert claws
just above the rear side door, then pull the door frame down to knee
level. This creates a handy stepladder for bears to claw their way
through the back seat and into the boot.

Mr Thompson said "clouting" resulted from campers keeping food in cars
rather than storing it in steel bear safes now installed at most camp
sites. One camper, Richard Walther, told rangers he watched as a bear
peeled two doors off his Honda, then carefully folded down the back seat
to get into the boot, where he pushed a button to open a cooler full of
food. "This bear clearly knew what he was doing," said Mr Walther.

Park officials are considering how to keep Yosemite's population of up
to 500 black bears out of the car parks. Rangers said one solution might
be to drive them away with packs of trained dogs.

The London Telegraph, Jan. 16, 1999


Crisis in Brazil

Brazil Allows Real to Float

Stock Market is happy


Brazil was finally forced to float its currency yesterday, abandoning
its attempt to engineer an orderly devaluation against the dollar after
Latin America's largest economy suffered a week of mounting capital
flight.


The Real quickly fell to R$1.58 against the dollar, but later settled at
R$1.43, representing a devaluation of 16 per cent since the start of the
week. On Wednesday, the central bank had attempted to stem the crisis by
an effective devaluation of about 8 per cent.


Brazilian financial markets rebounded strongly in the afternoon as
investors in São Paulo, the country's financial centre, greeted the news
with a mixture of relief and euphoria.


Shares on the São Paulo stock exchange soared 33.4 per cent, its second
highest ever rise, while the price of the most liquid Brazilian
international bond, the C-Bond, jumped 15.3 per cent. The positive
response led some economists to predict the devaluation could be
controlled.


In an attempt to win international support for the new exchange rate
policy, Pedro Malan, finance minister, and Francisco Lopes, the new
president of the central bank, travelled to Washington last night to
meet senior officials at the US treasury and the International Monetary
Fund, which in November agreed a $41.5bn (£25.1bn) rescue package for
Brazil.


The Brazilian central bank said it would announce a new foreign exchange
policy on Monday. Fernando Henrique Cardoso, president, broke off his
holiday for the second time in a week to return to Brasília. In a
televised address, he said stability depended on Congress approving the
government's fiscal austerity plans.


Economists said the government was most likely to confirm a floating
exchange rate regime on Monday, although they said that the sort of
currency board system that neighbouring Argentina uses was also a
possibility. Mr Lopes did not rule out a revised system of trading
bands.


Investors were pleased that the government had not used up more reserves
to defend the currency. Opinion was divided, however, over the likely
impact on economic activity.


"Everyone was expecting the currency to overshoot, but the fact that it
did not leaves room for sharp rate cuts," said Dany Rappaport, chief
economist at Santander Investment in São Paulo.


However, Francis Freis-inger at Merrill Lynch in New York said
uncertainty surrounding the currency would keep rates high. "Lower rates
will ultimately depend on progress on the fiscal side," he added.


On Wall Street, the Dow Jones Industrial Average, which weakened on
Wednesday and Thursday, rose 219.62 points to close at 9,340.55 in New
York.


European markets finished strongly with the FTSE 100 index in London
closing 120.8 higher at 5,941 while the Paris and Frankfurt markets were
both around 1.4-1.5 per cent higher.


The Financial Times, Jan. 16, 1999


Crisis in Brazil

Brazil Faces Up to Harsh Reality


Defending the indefensible in international finance is a quick route to
bankruptcy. So one cheer to Brazil for allowing its currency to float.
As a result, it has kept a hard-currency warchest of over $30bn - even
more, if one adds in money coming from the 

[CTRL] Rick Porrello's - AmericanMafia.com

1999-01-16 Thread RoadsEnd

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fom:
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Quite the site. A taste. Lots of embedded links.
Om
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January 16 1999

Read and Write Mafia Notes
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Crime Stuff to read and enjoy
Do gangsters really "chat"?
Other places to find Mafia stuff


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JR from New York writes a shocking story of scandal, bribery and murder


  online bookshop   Current News on Organized Crime - Yahoo!

Recent Mafia Developments
--- January 7 1999---
Check for Added Items
 John "Junior" Gotti is out of jail awaiting a racketeering trial.
His release was secured by a $10-million bond. He is confined to home
and visitors are limited to family members. Gotti spent Christmas Eve
with his wife, their three children, his mother, sisters Angela and
Victoria, and their families.
 On Thanksgiving, federal prosecutors refused to let Victoria's
husband, Carmine Agnello visit. The Feds believed 36-year-old Agnello is
a Gambino Crime Family associate. Gotti attorneys filed an appeal and
after legal arguments, the prosecutors agreed to let Agnello spend
Christmas Eve at the Gotti home.
From the New York Post

--- January 1999---
  New York: John Gotti Jr. was released in October from jail on
$10 million bond. Gotti had been held since January of 1998 when he was
indicted for being the alleged street boss of New York's Gambino Mafia
family. Gotti Jr. will wear a monitoring bracelet on his ankle to assure
that he does not leave his house except to meet with his attorneys.
Additionally, his phone will be tapped.
  The F.B.I. believes the Gambino crime group is still run by
John Gotti Sr., the "Dapper Don" who is serving a life sentence.
  Las Vegas: Southern California Mafia underboss Carmen Milano
and 16 other Los Angeles and Buffalo mobsters were charged in February
in a 101-count racketeering indictment. Bobby Siller, F.B.I. Special
Agent in Charge in Las Vegas said," there was an attempt by the Los
Angles mob to infiltrate Las Vegas..." Milano, 68 and a disbarred
attorney, is the brother of Peter Milano, the boss of the L.A. mob. The
Milanos are sons of the late Anthony "The Old Man" Milano, former
Cleveland Mafia consigliere. [more]
continued on Page 2 - see Recent
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Exactly What Is The Mafia?
Question to Porrello:
  Exactly what is the Mafia? The Mafia, more specifically the
Italian-American Mafia, is a group of criminals organized into
"families," and operating primarily in North America. Also known as La
Cosa Nostra, at one time there were 26 families in the United States -
roughly one for each major city. The Mafia "commission," composed of
bosses of numerous families, mostly New York, was the overseeing
authority for all of the other La Cosa Nostra families.
  The Mafia has its roots in Sicily, where the larger and more
powerful Sicilian Mafia operates from.
  ...and with 

Re: [CTRL] NAFTA at 5 Part 1

1999-01-16 Thread M.A. Johnson

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Comments: NAFTA's proponents promised benefits for the U.S.,
Canada and Mexico. The promises - 200,000 new U.S. jobs from
NAFTA per year, higher wages in Mexico and a growing U.S.
trade surplus with Mexico, environmental clean-up and improved
health along the border - have all failed to materialize.

MJ:
What does one expect when free trade is 'swapped' for this
Government controlled farce?

Regard$,
--MJ

I am for free commerce with all nations; political connection with
none; and little or no diplomatic establishment.  And I am not for
linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe;
entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance, or joining
in the confederacy of kings to war against the principles of liberty.
 -- Thomas Jefferson
(in a letter to Elbridge Gerry, Philadelphia, Jan 26th, 1799)

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Re: [CTRL] Striped Sleeves Mean Impeachment Is Military?

1999-01-16 Thread Gerald Harp

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writes:


  Contacted  by  CNNS,   Mr.   Skolnick   further  noted  that  the
  striped-sleeve style of judicial robe was *de  rigueur*  in  Nazi
  Germany.

We should not be tempted by this morsel.  It is tempting because Mr. Rhenquist
got his start in the Republican party by intimidating blacks and Hispanics
from voting.

However, the level of the proceeding has been drenched in pomposity to date as
though the Republicans are desperate in making themselves appear sober rather
than the vengeful little twits attempting to overthrow a government that they
are.

Jerry

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Re: [CTRL] Striped Sleeves Mean Impeachment Is Military?

1999-01-16 Thread M.A. Johnson

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Gerald Harp wrote:
However, the level of the proceeding has been drenched in
pomposity to date as though the Republicans are desperate
in making themselves appear sober rather than the vengeful
little twits attempting to overthrow a government that they
are.


MJ:
Precisely and specifically HOW are the Republicans attempting
to 'overthrow' the Government?


Regard$,
--MJ

The important thing is to stop lying to yourself.  A man
who lies to himself, and believes his own lies, becomes
unable to recognize the truth, either in himself or in
anyone else, and he ends up losing respect for himself as
well as for others.  When he has no respect for anyone, he
can no longer love and, in order to divert himself, having
no love in him, he yields to his impulses, indulges in the
lowest forms of pleasure, and behaves in the end like an
animal, in satisfying his vices. And it all comes from
lying -- lying to others and to yourself.
 -- Feodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky 1880 _The Brothers Karamazov_

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[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] Letter From the UK by Robin Ramsey of Lobster Magazine

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Dear People:
If you have not read Robin Ramsey's discussion of mind
control/electronic harassment, please take the time to go to
http:/www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/
Click on "The Latest Word"

Robin had asked me to write an article for his magazine.  When he got my
article, he claimed it was too weird.  I thought I had toned things down
a bit.  Anyway, he didn't use the article, but wrote another article
using some of the information I supplied.  Also, his the article, he
makes reference to The Konformist on-line magazine where my article,
"The Voices in My Head?", is supposed to be archived.

You know what is nice?  That Robin Ramsey thinks I have the best theory
about electronic harassment.  That is what I thought. ; 

Anyway, any comments you have and want to share after reading Robin's
article, I will forward to him.
KK
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[CTRL] What Is Political Extremism (Pt. 1)

1999-01-16 Thread Agent Smiley


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  What Is Political "Extremism"?
  by Laird Wilcox

  Roger Scruton, in the Dictionary Of Political Thought (Hill  Wang,
  New York, 1982) defines "extremism" as:

  "A vague term, which can mean: 1. Taking a political idea to its
  limits, regardless of 'unfortunate' repercussions, impracticalities,
  arguments and feelings to the contrary, and with the intention not
  only to confront, but also to eliminate opposition. 2. Intolerance
  towards all views other than one's own. 3. Adoption of means to
  political ends which show disregard for the life, liberty, and human
  rights of others."

  This is a very fair definition and it reflects my experience that
  "extremism" is essentially more an issue of style than of content. In
  the twenty-five years that I have been investigating political groups
  of the left and right, I have found that many people can hold very
  radical or unorthodox political views and still present them in a
  reasonable, rational and non-dogmatic manner. On the other hand, I
  have met people whose views were shrill, uncompromising and distinctly
  authoritarian. The latter demonstrated a starkly extremist mentality
  while the former demonstrated only ideological unorthodoxy, which is
  hardly to be feared in a free society such as our own.

  I don't mean to imply that content is entirely irrelevant. People who
  tend to adopt the extremist style most often champion causes and adopt
  ideologies that are essentially "fringe" positions on the political
  spectrum. Advocacy of "fringe" positions, however, gives our society
  the variety and vitality it needs to function as an open democracy, to
  discuss and debate all aspects of an issue and to deal with problems
  we may otherwise have a tendency to ignore. I think this is the proper
  role of radical movements, left and right, in our system. The
  extremist style is another issue altogether, however, in that it
  seriously hampers our understanding of important issues, it muddies
  the waters of discourse with invective, fanaticism and hatred, and it
  impairs our ability to make intelligent, well-informed choices.

  Another, perhaps more popular, definition of "extremism" is that it
  represents points of view we strongly disagree with, advocated by
  someone we dislike whose interests are contrary to our own!

  Political ideologues often attempt definitions of extremism which
  specifically condemn the views of their opponents and critics while
  leaving their own relatively untouched, or which are otherwise biased
  toward certain views but not others. To be fair, a definition must be
  equally applicable across the entire political spectrum.

  In point of fact, the terms "extremist" and "extremism" are often used
  thoughtlessly an epithets, "devilwords" to curse or condemn opponents
  and critics with! I find, however, that the extremist style is not the
  monopoly of any sector of the political spectrum. It is just as common
  on the "left" as it is on the "right," and sometimes it shows up in
  the political "center" as well!

  In analyzing the rhetoric and literature of several hundred "fringe"
  and militant "special interest" groups I have identified several
  specific traits that tend to represent the extremist style. I would
  like to caution you with the admonition, however, that we are all
  fallible and anyone, without bad intentions, may resort to some of
  these devices from time to time. But with bonafide extremists these
  lapses are not occasional and the following traits are an habitual and
  established part of their repertoire. The late Robert Kennedy, in The
  Pursuit Of Justice (1964), said; "What is objectionable, what is
  dangerous about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they
  are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but
  what they say about their opponents."

  1. Character Assassination. Extremists often attack the character of
  an opponent or critic rather than deal with the facts and issues that
  he raises or debate the points of his arguments. They will question
  his motives, qualifications, past associations, values, personality,
  mental health and so on as a diversion from the issues under
  consideration.

  2. Name Calling And Labeling. Extremists are quick to resort to
  epithets (racist, subversive, pervert, hatemonger, nut, crackpot,
  degenerate, Un-American, Anti-Semite, Red, Commie, Nazi, Kook, etc.)
  to label and condemn an opponent in order to divert attention from his
  arguments and to discourage other from hearing him out.

  3. Irresponsible Sweeping Generalizations. Extremists tend to make
  sweeping claims or judgments on little or no evidence, and they have a
  tendency to confuse similarity with sameness. That is, they assume
  that because two (or more) things are alike in some respects they must
  be alike in all or most respects! Analogy is a treacherous form 

[CTRL] Gulf Vets call for an End to Civilian Casualties in Iraq

1999-01-16 Thread Agent Smiley



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   Erik K. Gustafson, Education for Peace in Iraq Center (EPIC)
   747  10th Street SE, Suite 2, Washington, DC 20003
   202-543-6176; 202-546-5103 (fax); [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   For IMMEDIATE Release

   Gulf Vets call for an End to Civilian Casualties in Iraq

   (Washington) The National Gulf War Resource Center (NGWRC), the
   largest Gulf War veterans organization in the country, has come
   out against economic sanctions which "prevent or otherwise hamper
   nations from maintaining the public health of their people."
   Comprising over 54 member groups from around the country, the NGWRC
   works to be a resource for information, support, and referrals for
   all those concerned with the complexities of Gulf War issues,
   especially Gulf War illnesses. Already successful in passing a
   comprehensive bill to ensure better health care for sick veterans,
   the NGWRC is now focusing on Depleted Uranium (DU) and protecting
   both U.S. troops and civilians from DU exposure. In a resolution
   that was passed by the Board of Directors on December 20, 1998,
   shortly after the December air strike, the NGWRC urges that further
   civilian casualties in Iraq be avoided. "As soldiers, we were
   trained to abide by international laws relating to the treatment
   and protection of civilian populations. Economic sanctions which
   prevent or otherwise hamper nations from maintaining the public
   health of their citizens, are in violation of these international
   laws, including Geneva Protocol 1, Article 54, which prohibits the
   'starvation of civilians as a method of warfare.' The UN and the
   U.S. must work toward an immediate end to the humanitarian crisis
   in Iraq."

   Full text of this precedent-setting resolution follows:
   __
   National Gulf War Resource Center Statement
   Gulf War Veterans Express Concern About Recent Developments in the
   8-Year War

   The United States (U.S.) became involved in the Gulf War with the
   passage of Public Law 102-1, still in effect, that allows the
   President to use military force against Iraq in order to enforce
   Iraqi compliance with United Nations (UN) resolutions.

   The National Gulf War Resource Center (NGWRC) believes the following
   important lessons must not be forgotten regarding the Gulf War, a
   war that continues to impact millions of lives.

   * Iraq possessed and deployed chemical warfare agents up to 1991.

   * In 1991, with the U.S. military destruction of Iraq's chemical
 weapons (CW) facilities, tons of agents were released, possibly
 exposing up to 100,000 American servicemen and women, according
 to the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD).

   * The U.S. uses depleted uranium (DU) in anti-tank ammunition.
 Scientists have associated DU, a radioactive toxic waste, with
 many adverse health effects. Since 1990, thousands of American
 troops have been exposed to DU, as have millions of Iraqis. The
 World Health Organization plans to investigate the possible link
 between a reported sharp increase in cancer incidents in Southern
 Iraq and DU exposure.

   * The U.S. DOD and Department of Veterans Affairs have estimated
 that 110,000 American Gulf War veterans are ill as a result of
 their wartime service, many from exposures to CW, DU, pollution
 from oil well fires, experimental vaccines, and anti-nerve agent
 pretreatment pills, among other toxins.

   * The economic sanctions on Iraq now result in serious shortages of
 food, clean water, and medicine. Water and sanitation systems have
 collapsed, fueling an epidemic of diseases. Denis J. Halliday,
 the former UN head of the oil-for-food program, estimates that
 over 5,000 Iraqi children under five are dying each month from
 malnutrition and disease directly related to the sanctions.
 Meanwhile, the Iraqi government remains untouched and firmly
 entrenched.

   Therefore, the National Gulf War Resource Center Board of Directors,
   after careful and thorough deliberation, urges the following steps
   be taken to ensure the protection of American forces and civilians
   in the Persian Gulf region. No active duty service man or woman
   should ever have to go through what so many Gulf War veterans and
   their families have had to go through.

   Due to the likely exposure to CW, DU, and other hazardous toxins,
   the NGWRC demands that the best training and protective gear be
   provided to American forces deployed in the Persian Gulf region, as
   well as the best health care, both while deployed and upon their
   return home. American soldiers should 

[CTRL] Rachel #633: Carcinogens Everywhere

1999-01-16 Thread Agent Smiley


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  .CARCINOGENS EVERYWHERE .
  .  ==   .
  .LEAD IN CHILDREN: OLD STORY, NEW DATA  .
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  CARCINOGENS EVERYWHERE

  U.S. EPA [Environmental Protection Agency] published a report in
  1998 saying that 100% of the outdoor air in the continental U.S.
  is contaminated with eight cancer-causing industrial chemicals at
  levels that exceed EPA's "benchmark" safety standards.[1] Alaska
  and Hawaii were excluded from the analysis for lack of available
  data.~

  Using 1990 data on toxic industrial emissions, EPA applied
  well-known mathematical models to estimate year-round average
  outdoor air concentrations for 148 industrial poisons in each of
  the nation's 60,803 census tracts.

  For each of the 148 toxicants, EPA established a "benchmark"
  level that the agency considers safe. Eight of the 148 industrial
  poisons exceed EPA's benchmark safety levels all of the time in
  all 60,803 census tracts. All eight are carcinogens, that is,
  they are known to cause cancer: bis(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate;
  benzene; carbon tetrachloride; chloroform; ethylene dibromide;
  ethylene dichloride; formaldehyde; and methyl chloride.

  In its report, EPA said that outdoor air concentrations provide a
  reasonable estimate of toxic concentrations "that occur both
  outdoors and indoors, given the high rates of penetration into
  indoor environments for various HAPs [hazardous air pollutants]."
  In other words, EPA believes that being inside your home or
  workplace does not protect you from constant exposure to these
  eight carcinogens.

  EPA said its mathematical models probably underestimate the true
  levels to which the population is exposed. Where actual
  measurements of toxic contaminants were available, EPA found that
  the measured levels exceeded the levels estimated by their
  mathematical models.

  In its report, EPA also acknowledged that it may have
  underestimated the health effects because the eight chemicals,
  combined, may have additive or multiplier effects since people
  experience all of them simultaneously. However, the agency also
  acknowledged that it has no way to take such combined effects
  into account.

  The agency also acknowledged that many of the chemicals may have
  health effects for which the agency has established no
  "benchmark" standards. For example, benzene and 1,3-butadiene
  have both been associated with reproductive and developmental
  effects, but EPA currently has set no benchmark safety levels for
  such effects, and so those effects were ignored in this study.

  And finally, most (if not all) individuals are exposed to far
  more than just eight industrial poisons. These eight merely
  provide a toxic background to which other toxicants are added,
  depending upon a person's (or a community's) individual
  situation: automobile and truck exhaust, second-hand cigarette
  smoke, prescription drugs, emissions from power plants, smelters,
  incinerators, and so on.

  Several of the eight chemicals exceed EPA "benchmark" safety
  levels by a wide margin. For example, the average
  day-in-and-day-out concentration of carbon tetrachloride exceeds
  EPA's benchmark level by a factor of 13, and bis(2-ethylhexyl)
  phthalate exceeds EPA's benchmark by a factor of 6.4.



  LEAD IN CHILDREN: OLD STORY, NEW DATA


  In 1998, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
  (CDCP) in Atlanta issued a report saying that only 4.4% of
  American children between the ages of 1 and 5 have the toxic
  metal lead in their blood at "levels of health concern," which
  CDCP defines as concentrations of 10 micrograms of lead per
  deciliter of blood (10 ug/dL) or higher.[2] A microgram is a
  millionth of a gram and there are 28 

[CTRL] Bovine proteins and diabetes

1999-01-16 Thread Agent Smiley


  Activist Mailing List - http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/

  Bovine proteins and diabetes

  Excerpted from article on: www.antidairycoalition.com/011099.html


  In December of 1996 (LANCET, vol. 348, Dec 14, 1996) Simon Murch, MD,
  of the Department of Pediatric Gastroenterology of the Royal Free
  Hospital in London wrote:

  "Cow's milk proteins are unique in one respect: in industrialized
  countries they are the first foreign proteins entering the infant gut,
  since most formulations for babies are cow milk-based. The first pilot
  stage of our IDD prevention study found that oral exposure to dairy
  milk proteins in infancy resulted in both cellular and immune
  response...this suggests the possible importance of the gut immune
  system to the pathogenesis of IDD."

  In that same issue, researchers from New Zealand (R. B. Elliot, MD,
  et. al, Department of Pediatrics, University of Aukland) paralleled
  earlier studies and investigated diabetics in three locations:
  Auckland, New Zealand, Giessen, Germany and Sardinia, Italy. They
  reported finding a higher level of antibodies to bovine proteins,
  particularly CASEIN in diabetics than in healthy individuals.

  Three mothers have recently contacted the ANTIDAIRY Coalition with
  exciting news. Each took their newly diagnosed IDDM infants completely
  off all milk and dairy products. Six months later their kids were
  again producing insulin. Their physicians refer to each individual
  recovery as a MIRACLE. I call the recoveries simple biology.


  ELIMINATE THE POISON AND FIND THE CURE
  New clinical studies are most certainly called for. If you read this
  and have diabetes, become your own study of ONE. Your cure will become
  "ANECDOTAL." Let the ANTIDAIRY Coalition know about your MIRACLE and
  we'll relate your story to the world


  For the rest of this exciting and informative article please go to:

  http://www.antidairycoalition.com/011099.html



  R.Hamilton


  Wearing a "milk mustache?"
  Do a reality check at: http://www.notmilk.com
  *
  Ask your Govt. (U.S. or Canada) for the data on the rats
  treated with rBST/rBGH MILK.
  Meet the GOOD BUNNIES: http://members.tripod.com/ronjh/
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Bovine proteins and diabetes

Excerpted from article on: www.antidairycoalition.com/011099.html


In December of 1996 (LANCET, vol. 348, Dec 14, 1996) Simon Murch, MD,
of the Department of Pediatric Gastroenterology of the Royal Free
Hospital in London wrote:

"Cow's milk proteins are unique in one respect: in industrialized
countries they are the first foreign proteins entering the infant gut,
since most formulations for babies are cow milk-based. The first pilot
stage of our IDD prevention study found that oral exposure to dairy
milk proteins in infancy resulted in both cellular and immune
response...this suggests the possible importance of the gut immune
system to the pathogenesis of IDD."

In that same issue, researchers from New Zealand (R. B. Elliot, MD,
et. al, Department of Pediatrics, University of Aukland) paralleled
earlier studies and investigated diabetics in three locations:
Auckland, New Zealand, Giessen, Germany and Sardinia, Italy. They
reported finding a higher level of antibodies to bovine proteins,
particularly CASEIN in diabetics than in healthy individuals.

Three mothers have recently contacted the ANTIDAIRY Coalition with
exciting news. Each took their newly diagnosed IDDM infants completely
off all milk and dairy products. Six months later their kids were
again producing insulin. Their physicians refer to each individual
recovery as a MIRACLE. I call the recoveries simple biology.


ELIMINATE THE POISON AND FIND THE CURE
New clinical studies are most certainly called for. If you read this
and have diabetes, become your own study of ONE. Your cure will become
"ANECDOTAL." Let the ANTIDAIRY Coalition know about your MIRACLE and
we'll relate your story to the world


For the rest of this exciting and informative article please go to:

http://www.antidairycoalition.com/011099.html



R.Hamilton


Wearing a "milk mustache?"
Do a reality check at: http://www.notmilk.com
*
Ask your Govt. (U.S. or Canada) for the data on the rats
treated with rBST/rBGH MILK.
Meet the GOOD BUNNIES: http://members.tripod.com/ronjh/
Anti Dairy Images FREE: http://members.tripod.com/ronjh/notmilk.htm
GET OFF ASPARTAME! http://www.dorway.com


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[CTRL] Impending Canada-Palestine Deal

1999-01-16 Thread Agent Smiley


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  Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:32:50 -0600 (CST)
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rich Winkel)
  Subject: POLITICS: Impending Canada-Palestine Deal Expected to Cause a
  To: undisclosed-recipients:;

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  Title: POLITICS: Impending Canada-Palestine Deal Expected to Cause a
  Stir

  by Mark Bourrie

  OTTAWA, Jan 10 (IPS)- An impending free trade agreement between
  Canada and the Palestinian Authority is expected to provoke the
  ire of some sectors in Israel and other opponents of an
  independent Palestinian state.

  Canadian and Palestinian diplomats held secret negotiations
  here through last autumn and an agreement is expected to be signed
  in February or March, just as Israel heads into an election that
  will likely centre on the issue of Palestinian autonomy.

  Canadian Trade Minister Sergio Marchi, a vocal advocate of free
  trade, is to visit the Middle East at the end of February.
  Officials of his ministry say Marchi wants to sign the trade deal
  during that visit.

  Mideast trade is a minor part of Canada's international
  business, although Canada and Israel did conclude a free trade
  agreement two years ago. Canada want a similar deal with the
  Palestinians.

  Canada-Israel trade amounts annually to about 450 million U.S.
  dollars, mainly high-tech products, diamonds and phosphates, but
  only a small fraction involves areas now governed by the
  Palestinian Authority.

  Canada and the PLO have had good diplomatic relations since the
  mid-1970s. An agreement signed between Yasser Arafat's government
  and a Western power would give greater legitimacy to the
  Palestinian claim to independence, drawing the ire of Israel.

  Palestinian diplomats here said a trade agreement would have
  political, rather than economic, significance.

  "Economically it will not benefit much for the time being,"
  said Bakr Abdul Minem, the PLO's diplomatic representative in
  Canada and de-facto ambassador of the Palestinian Authority. "The
  most important meaning is a political one."

  Minen said the negotiators were not trying to create a
  political problem with Israel. "We want to find a way to do this
  and not embarrass anyone," he said.

  Canadian officials tried to play down the importance of the
  talks, but admitted they were more than just a simple extension of
  the Canada-Israel agreement. "We recognize that we want to balance
  our interests in the area," said Leslie Swartman, spokeswoman for
  Marchi. "It's separate and apart from the Canada-Israel free trade
  agreement."

  Diplomats at Israel's embassy here said they had been given
  assurances that a free trade agreement would not give a boost to
  the Palestinian drive for full statehood.

  However, Jewish groups in Canada, who learned of the
  negotiations just over a week ago, said they would lobby against
  any agreement that gives an aura of statehood to the Palestinian
  Authority.

  "It's not acceptable for them to pretend to be something
  they're not," said Robert Ridder, executive director of the Canada-
  Israel Committee.

  "We wouldn't be happy and we'd make our position clear," he
  added. (END/IPS/MB/KB/98)

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[CTRL] What Is Political Extremism (Pt. 2)

1999-01-16 Thread Agent Smiley


  Activist Mailing List - http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/

  [Continued from Part 1]


  7. Extremists Tend To Have A Manichean Worldview. That is, they tend
  to see the world in terms of absolutes of good and evil, for them or
  against them, with no middle ground or intermediate positions. All
  issues are ultimately moral issues of right and wrong. Their slogan
  tends to be "he who is not with me, is against me!"

  8. Extremists Very Often Advocate Some Degree Of Censorship And
  Repression Of Their Opponents And Critics. This may range from an
  active campaign to keep them from media access and a public hearing,
  as in the case of blacklisting, banning, or "quarantining" dissident
  spokesmen, or actually lobbying for repressive legislation against
  speaking, teaching or instructing the "forbidden" information. They
  may attempt to keep certain books out of stores or off of library
  shelves or card catalogs, discourage advertising with threats of
  reprisals, keep spokesmen for offending views off the airwaves, or
  certain columnists out of newspapers. In each instance the goal is
  some kind of information control. Extremists would prefer that you
  only listen to them.

  9. Extremists Tend To Identify Themselves In Terms Of Who Their
  Enemies Are, who they hate and who hates them! Accordingly, they often
  become emotionally bound to their enemies, who are often competing
  extremists on the opposite pole of the ideological spectrum. They tend
  to emulate their enemies in certain respects, adopting the same style
  and tactics to a certain degree. Even "anti-extremist" groups often
  exhibit extremist behavior in this regard!

  10. Extremists Are Given To Arguments By Intimidation. That is, they
  frame their arguments in such a way as to intimidate others into
  accepting their premises and conclusions. To disagree with them, they
  imply, is to ally oneself with the devil or give aid and comfort to
  the "bad guys." This ploy allows them to define the parameters of
  debate, cut off troublesome lines of argument, and keep their
  opponents on the defensive.

  11. Wide Use Of Slogans, Buzzwords And Thought-Stopping Cliches. For
  many extremists simple slogans substitute for more complex
  abstractions in spite of a high level of intelligence. Shortcuts in
  thinking and reasoning matters out seems to be necessary in order to
  appease their prejudices and to avoid troublesome facts and
  counter-arguments.

  12. Doomsday Thinking. Extremists often predict dire or catastrophic
  consequences from a situation or from failure to follow a specific
  course, and they exhibit a kind of "crisis-mindedness." It can be a
  Communist takeover, a Nazi revival, nuclear war, currency collapse,
  worldwide famine, drought, earthquakes, floods or the wrath of God.
  Whatever it is, it's just around the corner unless we follow their
  program and listen to their special insights or the wisdom that only
  the enlightened have access to!

  13. Extremists Often Claim Some Kind Of Moral Or Other Superiority
  Over Others. Most obvious are claims of general racial superiority --
  a master race, for example. Less obvious are claims of ennoblement
  because of alleged victimhood, a special relationship with God,
  membership in a special "elite" or revolutionary vanguard. They also
  take great offense when one is "insensitive" enough to dispute these
  claims or challenge their authority.

  14. Extremists Tend To Believe That It's OK To Do Bad Things In The
  Service Of A "Good" Cause. They may deliberately lie, distort,
  misquote, slander or libel their opponents and critics, or advocate
  censorship or repression in "special cases" involving their enemies.
  This is done with no remorse as long as it's useful in defeating the
  Commies or Fascists (or whoever). Defeating an "enemy" becomes an
  all-encompassing goal to which other values are subordinate. With
  extremists, the ends often justify the means.

  15. Extremists Tend To Place Great Value On Emotional Responses. They
  have a reverence for propaganda, which they may call education or
  consciousness-raising. Consequently, they tend to drape themselves and
  their cause in a flag of patriotism, a banner of righteousness or a
  shroud of victimhood. Their crusades against "enemies" may invoke
  images of the swastika, the hammer and sickle or some other symbol, as
  the case may be. In each instance the symbol represents an extremely
  odious concept in terms of their ideological premises. This ploy
  attempts to invoke an uncritical gut-level sympathy and acceptance of
  their position which discourages examination of their premises or the
  conclusions which they claim necessarily derive from them.

  16. Some Extremists, Particularly Those Involved In "Cults" Or
  religious movements such as fundamental evangelical Christians,
  Zionists, members of the numerous new age groups and followers of
  certain "gurus," claim some kind of 

Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt SLEAZEBALL?

1999-01-16 Thread Gerald Harp

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In a message dated 1/16/99 3:07:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   What is still not undersood is so far NO Republicans have lied under oath

So that's what i've been missing!  Darn.

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Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

1999-01-16 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting as a matter of discussion, but for some it's a matter of
getting fired.  According to the AP writer, Brenda Coleman (reported in my
morning paper), one Dr. George D. Lundberg, editor of The Journal of the
American Medical Association for l7 years was fired Friday for publishing a
what-is-sex survey of college students to coincide with President Clinton's
impeachment trial.   The article - "Would You Say You Had Sex' If...? found
that 59 percent of college students surveyed did not consider having oral sex
as having "had sex."   What is and what isn't having sexual relations is
obviously very serious business.  Or at least it is to the AMA.   Prudy

What I read was that the guy was fired not for publishing the study, but
deliberately pushing up it's scheduled publication date to coincide with
the impeachment hearings...apparantly it was originally scheduled to
appear in the Journal a few months from now...and the AMA quite correctly
deemed the editorial decision to publish earlier an inapproprate decision
based solely on politics, and not the science (or supposed science) of
the study.


June

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  Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear.
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[CTRL] Left, Right, or Wrong

1999-01-16 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From http://www.uexpress.com/ups/opinion/column/wb/

On the Right
by William F. Buckley Jr.

STUPID? IGNORANT? SEDUCED? CONTRARY?

The analysis of the problems faced by senators in their upcoming
confrontation with impeachment goes on day and night. In a half-day's
survey of data floating about, the reader/viewer comes upon a professor who
explains that the big difference in the congressional scene is that
congressmen are selected from narrowly specified areas and can therefore
execute customized mandates. Senators, by contrast, represent amalgams.

This fact, the professor concluded, means that the great current popularity
of President Clinton (73 percent) will more likely be reflected by the
second chamber, which will decline to convict, in contrast to the first
chamber, which proceeded to impeach.

A second item of the day was an account of Marion Barry's final departure
from office as mayor of Washington, D.C. He is planning, one hears, to
settle down in Alexandria. This recalls a blurb given by Evelyn Waugh to
Nancy Mitford for one of her books. Mr. Waugh did a little biographical
summary that ended, "After the war, Miss Mitford voted the socialist
ticket. Having done her best to make England uninhabitable, she went to
France to live."

A third item was an obituary note in The New Yorker on the author William
Gaddis. "He found everything artificial and deceptive and conspiratorial --
counterfeit. That was his great theme. After all, Gaddis himself once
remarked, 'Stupidity -- and I don't mean ignorance -- is a central issue of
our time.'"

Is that the right way to describe the rise in popularity of Bill Clinton to
the all-time high of 73 percent following upon his impeachment by the
majority of the elected legislators in Washington? Note, we are talking
here about popularity, not about ouster from office. Something is askew
when popularity goes up after a weighty tribunal decides that there is
reason to remove someone from office on the grounds that he has lied and
tried to obstruct justice. Mayor Barry was caught smoking crack cocaine and
after that he was re-elected to a fourth term. What do those popularity
figures tell us?

Thirty years ago, opposing the then-equivalent of today's motor voting bill
(you effect voter registration when you go pick up your driver's license),
I was angrily accosted by a public figure who demanded to know just who I
thought should not vote. My answer, the 30 percent of Americans who have
never heard of the United Nations. That was the figure, in the late '60s,
and I don't know what a comparable datum today would hang on --Identify the
Civil War? One-third of students asked that question, not long ago, failed
to place the Civil War within 50 years of when it happened.

In this space a few weeks ago I noted the answers given on a college quiz
administered to 27 students, including upperclassmen, to the question,
"Name a composer of classical music who wrote music in the 20th century."
Twenty-two students out of the 27 couldn't come up with anybody. One named
Yanni; one Randy Rhoads (rock guitarist); one, Beethoven; one, Pavarotti.
For some reason, William Gaddis refused to name such gentry as ignorant --
he insisted they were stupid. He was wrong, of course.

We come now to the mystifying paradox, revealed yet again in an analysis of
the educational background of the voters of New York in the last election.
Those who had less than high school training tended most heavily to vote
Democratic. Those who graduated from high school and from college tended to
vote Republican. Ah, but those who went on to postgraduate work tended to
vote Democratic. They had presumably sublimated the stratospheric insights
of the illiterate class.

But we are counseled to focus on the spin factor. If the information is so
deployed as to confuse, or to excite irrelevant emotions, then you are not
getting a disinterested reading of public opinion. "60 Minutes" recently
examined a focus group in which it was documented that Clinton had only to
mention "private life" in order to get an acquiescent jolt on the
popularity meter. "Perjury" got a negative reaction.

These data, it was told, are devoured by the White House before any public
pronouncements are made. Read large-screen, this seems to be saying: A lot
of Americans have been seduced into thinking that a vote against Clinton is
a vote to unlock their bedroom doors. Therefore? Therefore tell Gallup you
are pro-Clinton.

Some representatives of the ACLU like to bemoan the hypothesis that most
Americans would vote against the Bill of Rights if it were proffered as a
fresh piece of legislation. But the same kind of people who back the ACLU
are enthusiastic these days about the popularity of Mr. Clinton at large.
These American intellectuals run into each other at the corner, coming from
different directions.

How to go? Fatalistically. Remember, only in America, where wonderful
things also happen.

COPYRIGHT 1999 UNIVERSAL 

[CTRL] Fwd: They're at it Again!

1999-01-16 Thread Kalivas

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Hi everyone!

Forwarding the information below for those who may want to


respond. Congress will . CNN stated that the Government would be
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you access the Internet. The address is
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If EACH one of us, forward this message on to others in a
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Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

1999-01-16 Thread Linda Minor

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Assuming, arguendo, that your imaginary scenario is true, it proves nothing
other than Clinton is lacking in self-control and easily manipulated.  The
rest is entertaining, but clearly irrelevant.

Barb


On the contrary.  It indicates a well-orchestrated cabal planned a coup
d'etat.  The people who planned it are of the same ilk as those who killed
John and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King.  But they found they can
only murder so many important political figures without making people
suspicious.  (Who would have ever thought 35 years later people like some of
us on this list are still determined to find out who did it.)  So the next
best option is to destroy the credibility and reputation of the individual.
If you don't believe such conspiracies exist, why do you subscribe to this
list?

Linda

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Antichrist a Jew, Says Falwell

1999-01-16 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Falwell: Antichrist Probably Jewish

 WILLIAMSBURG, Va. (AP) -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell said the Antichrist is
 probably alive today and is a male Jew. He also believes the second coming of
 Christ probably will be within 10 years.


Have any of you heard of the messiah that Benjamin Creme is promoting? I
don't think that he is jewish, but I believe he is semetic. He is
supposed to be alive, but not out in public. BTW, this is the second
time Theosophist have promoted a second coming. The last was 60 some
years ago and was a young Indian who eventually denounced the promoters.
He later became a well known philosopher/mystic named something like
Krishna Namurati.

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] Pinochet: 01-16

1999-01-16 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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Alamaine Ratliff wrote:

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 From wsws.org

 WSWS : News  Analysis : South  Central America

 Chilean government to make presentation to the Pinochet hearing

 By Julie Hyland
 16 January, 1999

 The House of Lords has ruled that the Chilean government will be able to
 make representations to next week's hearing to decide if General Augusto
 Pinochet is immune from prosecution for human rights abuses.


One thing that is interesting to me is the statement that has been made
that the House of Lords is the highest authority in the United Kingdom
and if Pinochet loses there he cannot appeal. This is interesting in
that the fact that the House of Lords is hearing an appeal indicates
that the rule of royalty is still in place there. If this is so, why
could not Pinochet appeal to a higher authority which would be the
soveriegn. That, of course, would mean that Queen Elizabeth would have
to rule on the case. No matter what the ruling, it would shake things
up. Does anyone know why this could not be done?

Howard Davis

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[CTRL] (Fwd) - Save our seeds!

1999-01-16 Thread Sno0wl

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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---

Hi Everyone:

Below is a sample letter to the parties listed requesting the denying of
Monsanto right to a patent to sterlize heriloom seeds. If this goes through,
farmers and hobby growers would not be able to save seeds because they would
be sterile! This greed can be stopped if enough people write now. This issue
is due for a vote soon!

If you want to help send the letter below, or one of your own composition,
using your name, to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also, please CC. copies to the list of C.C. copies that are listed at the end
of the letter. It would also help to send this to anyone you know who might
want to help.

Thanks!
Namaste!
Marilyn


The Honorable Dan Glickman
Secretary of Agriculture
200-A Whitten Bldg.
1400 Independence Ave., SW
Washington  DC  20250

FROM:

Concerned Citizen, Marilyn Wright, [EMAIL PROTECTED]   (put your name
here)


Dear Secretary Glickman,

I am writing to ask that the USDA immediately cease negotiations to  license
the Terminator technology to a Monsanto subsidiary (Delta and  Pine Land Co.).
I also urge the USDA to abandon its worldwide patent  applications on this
immoral and dangerous technology.

The Terminator technology (US patent #5,723,765) is a genetic technology that
renders farm-saved seed sterile. This technology has no agronomic  benefit and
should never see the commercial light of day.   The  Terminator violates
Farmers' Rights and threatens agricultural  biodiversity.  The Terminator
isn't about improving agriculture, it is  about sterilizing seeds, wresting
control of seeds and plant breeding  from farmers, and fattening Monsanto's
profits. According to Delta and  Pine Land, Monsanto stands to make as much as
US $1.5 billion per year using the Terminator to force farmers to return to
the commercial  seed market every year.  This is not progress, it is a threat
to global  food security and an egregious use of public research money.

As a public agency dedicated to promoting agriculture, USDA should be  taking
steps to safeguard the rights of farmers to save seed, not  designing
technologies to eliminate those rights.  In light of the  alarming rate of
consolidation in the seed industry, I urge USDA to launch a public inquiry
into the impacts of seed industry consolidation on farmers and food security.

The Terminator is an anti-farmer, anti-biodiversity technology - paid  for by
public money - and in large part aimed, according to USDA and Delta and Pine
Land, at farmers in developing countries.  USDA and  Monsanto have indicated
in Patent Cooperation Treaty documents that  they intend to pursue patents on
the Terminator in at least 87 countries.
National applications are moving forward - or have issued - in Australia,
Brazil, Canada, Japan, South Africa, most European countries, and  probably
more jurisdictions.

Scientists warn that, under certain conditions, the trait for seed
sterility will flow, via pollen, from Terminator crops to surrounding  plants,
making the seeds of neighboring plants sterile. Given the  profound risks to
food security and the environment, especially in the biodiversity-rich South,
the Terminator patent embodies the kind of  threat to public morality
described in Article 27(2) of the WTO TRIPs  agreement.

The Terminator technology is a dead-end for farmers and a threat to  food
security worldwide.  It is morally unacceptable, and it must be  banned. I
respectfully urge you to stop the Terminator technology and  cease
negotiations for its commercial development.

USDA should work for farmers and the people - not Monsanto. Permitting this
abhorable plan would be incredibly inflationary for the citizenry and be a
hardship for many. It is also never wise for man to interfere with God's plan.
When the food is controlled by a conglomerate, if there is a failure in crops,
there wouldn't be enough live seed in the system to avoid world wide
starvation. Please use your head and heart and not sell out to industry and
greed consciousness.

Respectfully,
Marilyn Wright


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Hillary: It Takes a Village -- on Mars

1999-01-16 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Subject: Hillary: It Takes a Village -- on Mars


 ``We will all be reliving, through these young people's imagination, what it
 means to create a new world,'' Ms. Clinton said during the kickoff at the
 National Air and Space Museum, part of the Smithsonian Institution.

 The idea is to get pupils and high school students working with scientists and
 technicians on the design for a permanent Mars settlement, according to
 officials at the National Endowment for the Arts, which is putting $500,000
 into the project.

   Half a million for this? I thought the National Endowment for the
Arts was on a tight budget. I guess there is always money for
propaganda.

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

1999-01-16 Thread Barb Witt

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At 06:02 PM 1/16/99 -0600, LM wrote:
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Assuming, arguendo, that your imaginary scenario is true, it proves nothing
other than Clinton is lacking in self-control and easily manipulated.  The
rest is entertaining, but clearly irrelevant.

Barb


On the contrary.  It indicates a well-orchestrated cabal planned a coup
d'etat.  The people who planned it are of the same ilk as those who killed
John and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King.  But they found they can
only murder so many important political figures without making people
suspicious.  (Who would have ever thought 35 years later people like some of
us on this list are still determined to find out who did it.)  So the next
best option is to destroy the credibility and reputation of the individual.
If you don't believe such conspiracies exist, why do you subscribe to this
list?

Linda

Are you saying that one must believe ANYTHING in order to subscribe to this
list?  Come up with proof, or even a set a facts from which a reasonable
person would conclude your story is plausible, otherwise it's just that - a
story.

Since you seem very convinced, and recite your story as if factual, it
would be helpful to me if you could provide at least one or two specific
details, eg, who are the members of this cabal, how do they choose their
victims, are they all the victims of this group "important political
figures," what is the agenda of this group, etc.  Sorry, it just seems
improbable to me that it would take a well-orchestrated cabal, major
planning, and an entire caste of characters flawlessly executing
pre-planned movements to get Clinton to drop his pants, or lie, etc.

Barb

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Re: [CTRL] Speculation Are we better than Animals?

1999-01-16 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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L. Shipton wrote:

If Jefferson were to drop in he could teach the current law
 class if very little time.

   I doubt this. First, no college would let such a radical teach.
Second, he would be so angry at what had been done to the country that
he probably would be too busy learning how to shoot an assault weapon
and organize a militia to take the time to teach. Thirdly, even if he
were allowed to teach and could control his temper enough to take the
time, he would not understand how the commerce clause had been
interpreted into the establishment of a completely different system
which he would not be able to teach.

Howard Davis

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[CTRL] New Light Shed On Rehnquist's Robes

1999-01-16 Thread Brian Redman

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NEW LIGHT SHED ON REHNQUIST'S ROBES
===

(CNNS, 01/16/99)  --  Thanks  to  researchers  publishing  on the
Conspiracy  Theory  Research  List   ([EMAIL PROTECTED]),   a
mailing  list  furthering  the efforts of conspiracy researchers,
new light has been shed  on  the subject of Chief Justice William
Rehnquist's gold striped-sleeve judicial robe.

This  news  service  had  suggested,  in  a previous report, that
Rehnquist's  robe  was   a   recent   fashion,  adopted  for  the
impeachment trial of Bill Clinton.  But according to  information
now  received,  Rehnquist first displayed his gold striped-sleeve
judicial wear circa 1994.

In  1994, according to, reportedly, a National Public Radio (NPR)
broadcast, Rehnquist had been  in attendance during a performance
of the Gilbert  Sullivan operetta, "Iolanthe."  Afterwards, "the
Chief  Justice  had  the  gold-striped  Lord  Chancellor's   robe
copied."  [Reportedly from NPR, 1/12/99.]

According to one CTRL  researcher,  "Rehnquist's  imperial  robes
initially  caused  a  stir  when  he  showed up in his stripes at
Clinton's 1995 State of  the  Union Address, which was televised.
There is also a Time article in the 2/6/95 issue which references
Rehnquist's getup."

Based  upon this recent information, as well as other reports, it
now  appears  that  one  presumed  motivating  force  behind Bill
Clinton's impeachment trial, the U.S. military, is less dominant.
Rehnquist's gold stripes, implying a military trial, do not  seem
to have been tailor-made for Bill Clinton's impeachment.

Other reports  which  indicate  that  the  U.S.  military  is not
pulling the strings of the impeachment trial involve  the  recent
donative  promised by Clinton to the U.S. armed forces.  As noted
in a previous CNNS  press  release,  Caesars in the ancient Roman
empire needed military support to stay in  power,  especially  in
the  latter  days  of that empire.  The Caesars routinely donated
funds from the Roman  treasury  to  their troops, to ensure their
support.  With recent promised increases  in  military  spending,
Caesar Clinton has quieted rumblings in military ranks.

Caesar  Clinton  has also recently promised more money to police,
so that they can increase  their presence.  Therefore the police,
arguably  a  military  force,  have  also  received  a   promised
donative.

Also recently receiving  an  increase  in  funds  from  the  U.S.
Treasury have been federal employees, who have had their salaries
raised.

All -- military, federal bureaucrats, and police -- have received
a promised or actual  donative  and  are therefore more likely to
support Caesar Clinton.

Nonetheless, CNNS source  "Slim  Bacall"  (pseudonym) has told us
that one of her sources  indicates  there  has  been  an  ongoing
military interface with the current Clinton scandals.  Her source
claims that the "Desert Fox" attack on Iraq, which occurred on or
about   "Surreal   Saturday,"   the   day   the   U.S.  House  of
Representatives  voted  articles   of  impeachment  against  Bill
Clinton, was manipulated into happening on or about that day  not
by  Bill  Clinton, but by high-ranking military personnel.  Their
alleged purpose was to embarrass Clinton by having the Desert Fox
attack coincide with the House impeachment vote.

The level of  the  military's  role  as  underminer of Clinton is
uncertain, at this point.

But information previously reported by CNNS, that a likely hidden
motivator behind Bill Clinton's impeachment woes is traceable  to
the ongoing Netanyahu/Clinton feud, appears increasingly likely.

The impeachment trial of  Bill  Clinton  is  concurrent  with  an
imminent Israeli election, in which Clinton's non-friend Benjamin
Netanyahu,  Prime Minister of Israel, may be voted out of office.
Clinton  hatchet-man  James  Carville   and  his  associates  are
actively working for  Netanyahu's  defeat.   A  covert  operation
meant,  apparently,  to  counter  the  Clinton team, was launched
recently.  The office  of  Carville  associate Stan Greenberg, in
Washington DC, was burglarized and files related to the  upcoming
Israeli election were stolen.

In a prior report from  CNNS,  we  pointed  to  speculation  that
Monica  Lewinsky  is  an  Israeli  "asset,"  and that the scandal
involving her and Bill Clinton is part of a "sting" operation.  A
past  report  from  EIRNS  (Executive  Intelligence  Review  News
Service) bolsters the claim.

In  "What  Was  the  Mossad Role in the Lewinsky Affair?", Edward
Spannaus reports on  information  contained in special prosecutor
Kenneth Starr's Report, wherein Bill Clinton expressed fears that
a foreign embassy was tapping White  House  phone  conversations.
[EIRNS, 9/16/99.]

Spannaus   writes,  in  part,  that  "[r]eportedly,  the  embassy
involved was that of Israel,  under the control of the right-wing
Likud government of Benjamin Netanyahu."

Citing a report  by  British  journalist Edward Dowling, 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: They're at it Again!

1999-01-16 Thread BStokes45

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In a message dated 99-01-16 18:51:14 EST, you write:

 CNN stated that the Government would be
 voting in less than two weeks time to decide to allow or not allow a
 charge to your phone bill equal to a Long Distance call EACH time
 you access the Internet. 

I've seen this message quite a few times in the last couple of weeks.  Can
anyone verify that this is correct, I think it is a hoax... no bill number to
go by, no reference except CNN and no date/time for that.

 The address is
 http://www.house.gov/writerep/ If you choose, visit the address
 above and fill out the necessary form! 

No form here, just a ploace to get a representative's email address.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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Re: [CTRL] Republican vs Democrat

1999-01-16 Thread Jim Norman

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If fact there is no difference between the parties.  It's as if they are all the
same, exactly as you stated.  How is it we can find no honorable men to run for an
office and when we do find a good man, we can't get him elected because the local
party boss won't put him on the ballot, or the electorate fails to recognize the
integrity in the candidate, or the election is plain stolen because of voter
fraud?  It seems like a dark, deep hole.
Good article,
Jim Norman

J FROST wrote:

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 The republicians are evil they do this

 The democrats are evil, they do that

 Ah, yes the old team spirit you were brainwashed with in school serves
 the party bosses well.

 By getting idiot groupies to join one of their teams, each side of
 stooges are fighting against the other.

 While the idiot supporters continue to defend their own gods and
 point out the evil in the other devils, they become so blind to
 see all political parties are nothing but scum ball crooks.

 Begin to make a list of all the crooked/immoral deeds both parties
 have been/are involved and know the prisons are full of common
 people who have done exactly the same things as the party gods
 you worship.

 Republicans nor democrats have any principals, the only reason any of
 them have become a member of either party is not by the party doctrine,
 but because it was their chance to get rich making the idiots pick their
 cotton.

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Re: [CTRL] Living in corporate America.

1999-01-16 Thread nurev

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"M.A. Johnson" wrote:

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would estimate that of over 50% of all consumer manufactured
goods are coming from Communist China.  Why? Well, because the
capitalist built their latest and best manufacturing plants
there? Why? Cheap Labour. Huge Market.

 MJ:
 How long has labor been cheap abroad?  Why is it only in recent
 years we have had a (purported) mass exodus?  Could it be the
 regulatory load which has escalated over the past recent years?

 Regard$,
 --MJ

What do you mean " purported?" Where is America's manufacturing base?
Did it disappear down a rabbit hole? There's nothing purported about
American corporations leaving in droves. This is bullshit on your
part and you know it. You take a foolish position, you have to defend
it by flinging bovine droppings and red herrings.

American companies had been buying their way out of regulations more
and more in the years before leaving these shores for foreign labor.
As a matter of fact, they got tax breaks for doing it. This could only
happen because they got more complete control of Congress.

American corporations are owned by the Rich and their managerial sub-
class. These two groups have a long history of theft, violence, crime,
and treason against the citizens, workers, and country of the USA.

Only a twisted Libertarian would blame regulations as the reason for
industrial flight. Everyone with any sense at all knows it's for
profit. Workers and nation be damned.

Joshua2


 The policy of the American government is to leave their
 citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in
 their pursuits. -- Thomas Jefferson to M. L'Hommande, 1787.


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Re: [CTRL] Speculation Are we better than Animals?

1999-01-16 Thread PrKara

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In a message dated 16-Jan-99 19:19:02 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 If Jefferson were to drop in he could teach the current law
  class if very little time.
 
I doubt this. First, no college would let such a radical teach.
 Second, he would be so angry at what had been done to the country that
 he probably would be too busy learning how to shoot an assault weapon
 and organize a militia to take the time to teach. Thirdly, even if he
 were allowed to teach and could control his temper enough to take the
 time, he would not understand how the commerce clause had been
 interpreted into the establishment of a completely different system
 which he would not be able to teach.

 Howard Davis
  
  Touche!

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[CTRL] H.J. Res. 10

1999-01-16 Thread Knight1747

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106th CONGRESS
1st Session

H. J. RES. 10


Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to
provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States
citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the
United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the
birth.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 6, 1999


Mr. FOLEY (for himself, Mr. ROHRABACHER, Mr. ROYCE, Mr. DOOLITTLE, Mr.
SHAYS, Mr. PAUL, Mr. DEAL of Georgia, Mr. MCCRERY, and Mr. BEREUTER)
introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the
Committee on the Judiciary




JOINT RESOLUTION

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to
provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States
citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the
United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the
birth.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States
of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring
therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the
Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents
and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the
legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years
after the date of its submission for ratification:

`Article--

`SECTION 1. No person born in the United States after the date of the
ratification of this article shall be a citizen of the United States, or
of any State, on account of birth in the United States unless the mother
or father of the person is a citizen of the United States, is lawfully
in the United States, or has a lawful status under the immigration laws
of the United States, at the time of the birth.


`SECTION 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
appropriate legislation.'.


END

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[CTRL] FIGHTING NORWAY'S NAMING LAW

1999-01-16 Thread Barb Witt

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Fred is a credible and knowledgeable person.  Does anyone have additional
info about the Norway Naming Law?

Barb

From: Fred Battey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FIGHTING NORWAY'S NAMING LAW
:
:
:

We still have relative freedom, although we are seeing our freedoms rapidly
decreased as government tries to regulate and control every aspect of our
lives.  Below is a good example of what happens when government becomes
thus involved.  This is only one example of hundreds if not thousands of
what has happened in other nations who have caved under the pressures of
socialist and dictatorial government control.  The battle we are involved
in is not a sideline effort, and not just restricted to the education
arena.  Education just happens to be one, although a major, arena in the
push for total societal, economic and financial control of our nation.  Can
the below happen in our country?  You betcha!  Can we be required to carry
official ID on our persons at all times as is required in most European
countries?  You betcha!  Can we be required to use only designated
healthcare as is the case in many countries?  You betcha!  Can we be
monitored on the care of our children and required to enter them into
"approved" facilities from pre-birth, through pre-school, through total
education?  You betcha!  And please understand I am not talking about 5
years from now, but much sooner unless there is a major change in our
course.  To believe otherwise is playing directly into the hands of the
those who are the driving force behind the movement.

Fred
_
FIGHTING NORWAY'S NAMING LAW
The Name Game
World Magazine, Jan. 9, 1999

Kirsti Larsen was thrown in a Norwegian jail because she gave her son a
first name that was not on the government's list of acceptable choices. She
named him Gesher, which means "bridge" In Hebrew.

This violates Norway's strict laws regulating names, which include lists of
acceptable first and last names. When Mrs. Larsen tried to register her
son's name as Gesher at her local county office back in 1995, it was
rejected as Illegal. She appealed repeatedly but was ordered to change the
name, pay a $210 fine, or spend two days in jail.

Mrs. Larsen refused to change the name of her boy, who is now four. So she
went to prison for two days, leaving her husband and 10 children at home.
But since little Gesher is still named Gesher, no one knows how this
dispute will be settled.

"Many probably would have bowed to 'Big Brother' and paid the fine. On
principle, I couldn't go along with such absurdity," Mrs. Larsen told the
Vordens Gang newspaper. "Maybe the authorities thought I would come running
with the money when they ordered me to serve my sentence just before
Christmas, but I didn't let them scare me."

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[CTRL] The Deep Vince Foster

1999-01-16 Thread L. Shipton




If I am off on putting this together - I tried!LauraAKA The 
Pied Piper-Original Message-From: Brian Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 
Friday, January 15, 1999 5:21 PMSubject: [CTRL] The Deep Vince 
Foster -Caveat 
Lector- Allegations 
Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, 
and 
Banking Transactions Spying, Part 
I 
by J. Orlin Grabbe On April 
17, 1995, James R. Norman, Senior Editor at 
Forbes Magazine, sent the following 
letter to Michael D. McCurry, Press 
Secretary at the White 
house: Dear Mr. 
McCurry: Forbes 
Magazine is preparing an article for immediate 
=publication. We would 
like to offer the White House an opportunity to 
=comment on the following 
assertions. 1.) That 
Vincent W. Foster, while White House Deputy 
Counsel, maintained a Swiss 
bank account.A) He was killed not long after a visit from a 
woman - could this =woman also know the 
Clinton's? I imagine he would have been shown to =have a x-mas club 
account if needed. What information was he attempting =to get from the 
woman? When did the Levenski affair start? Was 
=Clinton hiding or was it concurrent with other sexual 
escapades? 2.) That funds 
were paid into that account by a 
foreign government, 
specifically the State of Israel.Who is that Israeli that is a part 
of the World Bank that helped but Israel into financial 
debt? 3.) That shortly 
before his death and coincident with 
the onset of severe and acute 
depression, Vincent Foster 
learned he was under 
investigation by the CIA for espionage.Do I hear Daddy Bush in 
this? 4.) That this 
information was made available to him 
by Hillary Rodham 
Clinton.So what did she threaten him with the CIA and 
Bush? 5.) That while he 
was White House Deputy Counsel and 
for many years prior, Vincent 
Foster had been a behind-the- 
scenes control person on behalf of the National 
Security Agency for 
Systematics, a bank data processing 
company integrally involved in 
a highly secret intelligence 
effort to monitor world bank 
transactions.Well so that is where Clinton will go to work after 
leaving the =Presidency. For the World Bank. 
=20 6.) That Systematics 
was also involved in laundering 
funds from covert operations, 
including drug and arms sales 
related to activities in and 
around Mena, Ark.Involved with the CIA and Daddy Bush 
then. 7.) That through 
Systematics' relationship with 
E-Systems, Vincent Foster may 
have had access to highly sensitive 
code, encryption and data 
security information of 
strategic 
importance.Means that if they can get control of phone and computer 
areas. Makes =me wonder about the Microsoft Trial 
now. 8.) That both prior 
to and after his death, documents 
relating to Systematics were 
removed from Vincent Foster's office 
in the White 
House.Could this be one of the things that he was studying about the 
Clintons =and Bush? 
9.) That the meeting at the Cardozo (Landau) estate on 
the eastern shore of Maryland 
on the weekend before Vincent 
Foster's death was attended by, among others, 
George 
Stephanopolous.I can't link 
this. 10.) That Hillary 
Rodham Clinton was also a beneficiary 
of funds from Foster's Swiss 
account.I can't link this either. I do not know enough about 
Swill Bank =Accounts. 
Thank you very much for your prompt attention to this 
matter. Please fax your 
written response before 
end-of-business Tuesday, April 
18, to Forbes at 212-620-2417. If you 
have questions, please call me 
at 212-620-2215. 
Respectfully yours, 
James R. Norman, Senior 
Editor The White House 
did not respond until April 25, 1995. 
However, on April 20, 1995, a copy 
of this letter was leaked by White 
House counsel to Mark H. Tuohey III, an assistant to 
Kenneth Starr, a prosecutor leading 
an independent investigation 
of events related to 
Whitewater. Why was the 
letter forward to a Starr 
assistant? Did the White 
House have reason to believe that the 
death of Vincent Foster was related 
to Whitewater? Was the 
letter forwarded to Mark Tuohey so that he 
could investigate and comment on the 
allegations in the letter? Or was 
the letter leaked to Mark Tuohey by the White 
House because Tuohey is the White 
House point man for spin control 
with respect to any evidence uncovered by the 
investigation? On April 25, 
1995, Michael D. McCurry replied as 
follows: Dear Mr. 
Norman This letter 
responds to your April 17, 1995 
request. The 
allegations contained in your request are 
outrageous. Publication of these 
false allegations will discredit 
*Forbes*, maliciously tarnish the reputation of 
Vincent Foster, and cause great pain 
to Mr. Foster's wife and 
family. Should 
*Forbes* insist on publishing these 
baseless allegations, we insist that 
the Editor of *Forbes* have a pre- 
publication meeting with Jane Sherburne of the White 
House Counsel's Office and the 
personal representative of the 
President and First Lady, David E. Kendall of Williams 
 Connolly. Ms. Sherburne 
can be reached at 

Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue Failure

1999-01-16 Thread Das GOAT

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In a message dated 99-11-17 12:57:50 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Clearly Bush was actually running the
country throughout "Reagan's" term in office, as well as his own...one of
the very few occasions in this century when an Oligarch has actually taken
the direct reins of power.

But not the first time a VP in the background has run the show.  I keep
running into references to the little-known fact that when Allen Dulles was
ill between 1956-1957, vice president Richard Nixon actually ran the CIA --
and through it, US foreign policy..
Seems Bush's mentor Nixon was "virtual" President under a golf-playing
Eisenhower,
which may have inspired VP Bush to look for a similar opportunity under
Reagan ...

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[CTRL] origins of modern PSYOPS in support of one-world-government

1999-01-16 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


In 1941 General William Donovan's covert psywar responsibilities included
covert psychological warfare within the uniformed Office of Strategic
Services (O.S.S). [1] In 1943 the OSS released a top secret psychological
report written on Adolph Hitler. The psychologist leading the study was Dr.
Walter Langer. Dr. Walter Langer's brother was William L. Langer, Special
Branch Chief of the Office of Strategic Services. William L. Langer was also
one of the editors of the first English version of Adolph Hitler's Mein
Kampf. The English version of Mein Kampf appeared in 1939. Hitler wrote Mein
Kampf in 1923. Members of the Royal Institute of International Affairs and
the Council on Foreign Relations were reading English Translations of Mein
Kampf many years before they presented it to the American public. One of
William L. Langer's co-editors was George N. Shuster. Langer and Shuster
were Council on Foreign Relations War and Peace Studies' Peace Aims Group
members from 1941-1945. Another member of this group was Arthur Sweetser,
the Deputy director of the Office of War Information. Sweetser and Langer
also worked together as members of the Political Group with John Foster
Dulles. Another member of the Peace and Aims Group was Allen W. Dulles,
John's brother. General Donovan and Allen Dulles made a career of trying to
have the Director of Central Intelligence assigned to the Office of the
President.[2]
The Division of Special Research of the Department of State was organized
like the Council on Foreign Relations Peace and Aims Group. The Peace and
Aims Group gathered information about particular nations or groups of
nations using the Buchanan-Cantril "Adjective Check-list." -- so did the
Division of Special Research. These groups sent this information of
different people's aims and aspirations to the Institute of Advanced Study
at Princeton University. This information was given to Cantril and others
studying policy-research, and psychological warfare techniques. Cantril and
his colleagues would script psycho-political PSYOPs from what they learned
and evaluate the effectiveness of the PSYOPs .Federal Broadcast Intelligence
Service would be broadcast the propaganda to peoples of target nations
throughout the world. The psycho-political operations were used to deceive
people in other nations including allies nations. The British played a
willing part in the psycho-political operations, as evidenced by their
liaison with the Federal Broadcast Intelligence Service.

In 1939 Shuster was one of ten editorial sponsors of Mein Kampf. The other
sponsors were: John Chamberlain, Sidney B. Fay, John Gunther, Carlton J. H.
Hayes, Graham Hutton, Alvin Johnson, William L. Langer, Walter Millis, and
Raoul de Roussy de Sales. Shuster's co-editor William L. Langer was a
professor and a psychologist. William L. Langer was the OSS branch chief for
Research and Analysis. While in the OSS William L. Langer worked with
Council on Foreign Relations member William H. Jackson. Their OSS research
included "indirect assessment." "Indirect assessment" was a way of
evaluating a man's personality or state of mind without direct interview by
a psychologist. Professor William Langer was applying this technique to
produce profiles on key political figures. One of the figures Langer's study
focused on was Adolph Hitler. Langer published an OSS psychological profile
of Hitler. "Indirect assessment" was also used to help in assessing the
reliability of foreign agents. Data analyzed included physical appearance,
dress, manner, speech, habits, social and political attitudes.[3]

The introduction to Mein Kampf tells us,"... Mein Kampf is a propagandistic
essay by a violent partisan. As such it often warps historical truth and
sometimes ignores it completely. We have, therefore, felt it our duty to
accompany the text with factual information which constitutes an extensive
critique of the original. No American would like to assume responsibility
for giving the public a text which, if not tested in the light of diligent
inquiry, might convey the impression that Hitler was writing history rather
than propaganda.. "[4] The editors of Mein Kampf, including Intelligence
Agents Shuster and Langer, were either misdirecting the reader or woefully
misinformed about the psychological warfare techniques being employed by
State Department Officials, and the Office of Strategic Services, and
Military Intelligence Units. Among the sleight of mind techniques employed
were warping historical truth and often ignoring it completely.

Langer (March 16, 1896-December 26, 1977) was a key figure in the
intelligence community. As a soldier in World War I he rose from private to
sergeant, and participated in the St. Mihiel and Argonne engagements. A
member of the Board of Analysts, Office of Coordinator of Information
(1941-42); chief of Research and Analysis Branch, Office of 

[CTRL] Totalitarianism

1999-01-16 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

Hello Ed,

Thanks for your correspondence.

Citizen's groups and NGO's notwithstanding, the U.N. is and has been since
it's inception positioned as an intermediate tool in acheiving a one-world
totalitarian central government.

Explain to me how agression and military armaments, Generals, etc. will all
be made to evaporate in favor of a universal peace?

When there is only ONE armed force, and the NWO's worldwide seizures of
personal arms has been accomplished, who would stand a chance against that
one armed force?

Use a little common sense.

The Communist plan never ends at the stated utopian goal. It always stalls
out in the dictatorship of the proletariat because some elites have managed
to sieze power (bombers, missiles, warships, money) and are loath to share
the wealth with the proles.

Ed, you've slowly become aware over the past couple of years ...
(at the start of which you'll remember threatening to "turn me in" for
posting a list of murdered persons with close ties to the Clinton White
House :)
of monumental govenmental corruption in the U.S. government (and economy
too, I hope?).
Allow me to suggest that your eyes are not yet fully opened to some of the
harsher realities of the earth's domination by a relative handful of
super-rich elites who are using you to attempt to acheive their ends.  Based
on your recent learning experience, I'd guess that you'll understand that a
one-world government undertaking by humans in our general state of
consciousness can only end up as stark totalitarianism in another year
or two.

Theoretically, Ed the U.S. is a representationally democratic federal
republic.
Theoretically we are governed according to a Constitution and a Bill of
Rights which are MASTERPIECES of freedom compared to the underpinnings of
many other world governments.
Theoretically, we should not have to be subject to censorship, illegal
search and seizure, and a laundry list of other offenses against our
Constitution which are rampant in this "free" country.
In practice, we are nearly completely powerless against our government, who
at any time may choose to declare a little community of 78 of us "dangerous
cultists" and proceed with military force to murder every man, woman and
child of us. At will. Without retribution. This is the nature of
totalitarian power, Ed- not even perfected yet into the one-world
government.

Explain to me, if you can- how you could possibly believe that a government
LESS accountable by virtue of COMPLETE POWER could be expected to be LESS
CORRUPT than the U.S. government?

Look at NATO. Look at the incredible NATO attack we recently observed. Do
you think that by attempting to disarm the planet (except, of course for
those U.N. forces) you will somehow make such atrocity impossible? Don't be
an UTTER FOOL !  It is impossible to hold unaccountable military might "in
trust" ... and military might without opposition is definitively
unaccountable... no matter where you start with thinking about such a
situation, military dictatorship is the end result- unless you manage to
change human nature overnight. Perhaps you will kill all the
would-be-killers?

NWOdor=totalitarianism.  U.N.=NWOdor vehicle.  Questions?

I'd like to thank you very much for bringing Jean Hudon into my circle of
cyber acquaintances. I believe that he is doing some very good work now that
he has opted for the balanced approach of working for the best while being
aware of the worst. Anything less is definitively delusional, a state which
unfortunately encompasses the vast majority of the new-agers who prefer not
to face any uncomfortable reality.
Energetic progress to "the good" is a will'o'the wisp without surveilling
and fully understanding "the bad."  If you disbelieve this, I believe you
are a ready (if unwitting) tool for "the bad."
Especially when (in case you haven't noticed) we are faced with an ENTIRE
HUMAN HISTORY of the powerful DOMINATING the powerless, and "the bad"
inexolerably being attracted to POWER.
The road to a hell of totalitarianism is paved with the good intentions of
deluded idealists.
(you can quote me on that)

Bring as many interested correspondees as you can to this topic Ed.
I'll show you how to separate the good-but-deluded from the totalitarian
stooges.

p.s.  Have you heard anything more from Barbara Marx Hubbard regarding her
work with the U.S. Military?


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


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[CTRL] (1/2) From Nazis to the CIA, With Love

1999-01-16 Thread Das GOAT

 -Caveat Lector-

 "A US Navy psychologist claims that the ONI (Office of Naval
Intelligence) has taken convicts from prisons, used behavior
modification techniques on them, and then relocated them ...
 "Lt. Commander Thomas Narut of the US Regional Medical
Center in Naples divulged that information at a [late '70s] Oslo
conference of 120 NATO psychologists.
 "Dr. Narut revealed to reporters from many nations how the
ONI was secretly programming large numbers of assassins
for commando-type operations as well as covert operations ...
 "He described the subjects who went through his program at
two Navy programming centers (one located in San Diego) as 'hit
men' who would automatically kill anyone on command."


from: http://www.freeamerica.com/gvcon8.html

 NAVAL INTELLIGENCE'S  SCHOOL FOR ASSASSINS

 by Harry V. Martin and David Caul
 from Napa Sentinel, Oct. 22, 1991


 In man's quest to control the behavior of humans, there was
a great breakthrough established by Pavlov, who devised a way to
make dogssalivate on cue. He perfected his conditioning response
technique by cutting holes in the cheeks of dogs and measured the
amount they salivated in response to different stimuli. Pavlov
verified that "quality, rate and frequency of the salivation
changed depending upon the quality, rate and frequency of the
stimuli."

Though Pavlov's work falls far short of human mind control, it
did lay the groundwork for future studies in mind and behavior
control of humans. John B. Watson conducted experiments in the
United States on an 11-month-old infant. After allowing the
infant to establish a rapport with a white rat, Watson began to
beat on the floor with an iron bar every time the infant came in
contact with the rat. After a time, the infant made the
association between the appearance of the rat and the
frightening sound, and began to cry every time the rat came into
view.  Eventually, the infant developed a fear of any type of
small animal.  Watson was the founder of the behaviorist school
of psychology.

"Give me the baby, and I'll make it climb and use its hands in
constructing buildings or stone or wood. I'll make it a thief, a
gunman or a dope fiend. The possibilities of shaping in any
direction are almost endless. Even gross differences in
anatomical structure limits are far less than you may think. Make
him a deaf mute, and I will build you a Helen Keller. Men are
built, not born," Watson proclaimed. His psychology did not
recognize inner feelings and thoughts as legitimate objects of
scientific study, he was only interested in overt behavior.

Though Watson's work was the beginning of mans attempts to
control human actions, the real work was done by B.F. Skinner,
the high priest of the behaviorist movement. The key to Skinner's
work was the concept of operant conditioning, which relied on the
notion of reinforcement, all behavior which is learned is rooted
in either a positive or negative response to that action. There
are two corollaries of operant conditioning" Aversion therapy and
desensitization.

Aversion therapy uses unpleasant reinforcement to a response
which is undesirable. This can take the form of electric shock,
exposing the subject to fear producing situations, and the
infliction of pain in general. It has been used as a way of
"curing" homosexuality, alcoholism and stuttering.
Desensitization involves forcing the subject to view
disturbing images over and over again until they no longer
produce any anxiety, then moving on to more extreme images, and
repeating the process over again until no anxiety is produced.
Eventually, the subject becomes immune to even the most extreme
images. This technique is typically used to treat people's
phobias. Thus, the violence shown on T.V. could be said to have
the unsystematic and unintended effect of desensitization.

Skinnerian behaviorism has been accused of attempting to deprive
man of his free will, his dignity and his autonomy. It is said to
be intolerant of uncertainty in human behavior, and refuses to
recognize the private, the ineffable, and the unpredictable. It
sees the individual merely as a medical, chemical and mechanistic
entity which has no comprehension of its real interests.

Skinner believed that people are going to be manipulated. "I just
want them to be manipulated effectively," he said. He measured
his success by the absence of resistance and counter control on
the part of the person he was manipulating. He thought that his
techniques could be perfected to the point that the subject would
not even suspect that he was being manipulated.

Dr. James V. McConnel, head of the Department of Mental Health
Research at the University of Michigan, said, "The day has come
when we can combine sensory deprivation with the use of drugs,
hypnosis, and the astute manipulation of reward and punishment to
gain almost absolute control over an individual's behavior. We
want to reshape our society drastically."

A U.S. Navy 

[CTRL] (2/2) From Nazis to the CIA, With Love

1999-01-16 Thread Das GOAT

 -Caveat Lector-

  "MAD SCIENCE," FROM "NAZI" TO "NASA"

from: http://www.freeamerica.com/gvcon8.html

  Mind control origins found in Nazi Germany [cont'd]

  by Harry V. Martin and David Caul
  Napa Sentinel, Nov. 19, 1991

At the conclusion of the war, the OSS was designated as the
investigative unit for the International Military Tribunal, which
was to become known as the Nuremberg Trials.  The purpose of
Nuremberg was to try the principal Nazi leaders.  Some Nazis were
on trial for their experiments, and the U.S. was using its own
"truth drugs" on these principal Nazi prisoners, namely Goring,
Ribbentrop, Speer and eight others.  The Justice in charge of the
tribunal had given the OSS permission to use the drugs.

The Dachau doctors who performed the mescaline experiments also
were involved in aviation medicine. The aviation experiments at
Dachau fascinated Heinrich Himmler. Himmler followed the progress
of the tests, studied their findings and often suggested
improvements. The Germans had a keen interest in several medical
problems in the field of flying, they were interested in
preventing pilots from slowly becoming unconscious as a result of
breathing the thin air of the high altitudes and there was
interest in enhancing night vision.

The main research in this area was at the Institute of Aviation
in Munich, which had excellent laboratories. The experiments in
relationship to the Institute were conducted at Dachau. Inmates
had been immersed in tubs of ice water with instruments placed in
their orifices in order to monitor their painful deaths. Dr.
Hubertus Strughold, who ran the German aviation medicine team,
confirmed that he had heard humans were used for the Dachau
experiments. Hidden in a cave in Hallein were files recording the
Dachau experiments.

On May 15, 1941, Dr. Sigmund Rascher wrote a letter to Himmler
requesting permission to use the Dachau inmates for experiments
on the physiology of high altitudes. Rascher lamented the fact
that no such experiments have been done using human subjects.
"The experiments are very dangerous and we cannot attract
volunteers," he told Himmler. His request was approved.

Dachau was filled with Communists and Social Democrats, Jews,
Jehovah's Witnesses, Gypsies, clergymen, homosexuals, and people
critical of the Nazi government. Upon entering Dachau, prisoners
lost all legal status, their hair was shaved off, all their
possessions confiscated, they were poorly fed, and they were used
as slaves for both the corporations and the government. The SS
guards were brutal and sadistic. The idea to test subjects at
Dachau was really the brain child of Erich Hippke, chief
surgeon of the Luftwaffe.

Between March and August of 1942 extensive experiments were
conducted at Dachau regarding the limits of human endurance at
high altitudes. These experiments were conducted for the benefit
of the German Air Force. The experiments took place in a
low-pressure chamber in which altitudes of up to 68,000 feet
could be simulated. The subjects were placed in the chamber and
the altitude was raised, many inmates died as a result. The
survivors often suffered serious injury. One witness at the
Nuremberg trails, Anton Pacholegg, who was sent to Dachau in
1942, gave an eyewitness account of the typical pressure test:

"The Luftwaffe delivered a cabinet constructed of wood and metal.
It was possible in the cabinet to either decrease or increase the
air pressure. You could observe through a little window the
reaction of the subject inside the chamber. The purpose of these
experiments was to test human energy and the subject's
capacity...to take large amounts of pure oxygen, and then to test
his reaction to a gradual decrease in oxygen. I have personally
seen through the observation window of the chamber when a
prisoner inside would stand a vacuum until his lungs ruptured.
Some experiments gave men such pressure in their heads that they
would go mad and pull out their hair in an effort to relieve the
pressure. They would tear their heads and face with their fingers
and nails in an attempt to maim themselves in their madness. They
would beat the walls with their hands and head and scream in an
effort to relieve pressure in their eardrums. These cases of
extreme vacuums generally ended in the death of the subjects."
The former prisoner also testified, "An extreme experiment was so
certain to result in death that in many instances the chamber was
used for routine execution purposes rather than an experiment." A
minimum 200 prisoners were known to have died in these
experiments.

The doctors directly involved with the research held very high
positions: Karl Brandt was Hitler's personal doctor; Oskar
Schroeder was the Chief of the Medical Services of the Luftwaffe;
Karl Gebhardt was Chief Surgeon on the Staff of the Reich
Physician SS and Police and German Red Cross President; Joachim
Mrugowsky was Chief of the Hygienic Institute of the Waffen SS;
Helmut 

Re: [CTRL] (2/2) Who Killed JFK? Communists or NAZIS?

1999-01-16 Thread Das GOAT

 -Caveat Lector-

When Clay Shaw was arrested by Jim Garrison the news was of
particular interest to the Italian newspaper Paesa Sera.  It
followed up with a story that Shaw belonged to a cover
organization in Rome named Cenuo Mondiale Commerciale (CMC).  Its
location was frequently moved, its presidents rotated; its modus
operandi altered.  CMC included Italian fascists, elements of
the European paramilitary right, the CIA, and the U.S. Defense
Department.  There were major shareholders with banks located in
Switzerland, Miami, Basel and other major cities.  CMC had been
formed in 1961, one year after Kennedy was elected.  Its
principals had worked with fascist networks established after
World War II.  The board of directors numbered Ferenc Nagy, a
former Hungarian premier who led that country's Anti-Communist
Countrymen's Party in exile.  J. Edgar Hoover brought Nagy to the
United States, where there were numerous Gehlen-supported emigre
organizations.  On August 18, 1951, the Saturday Evening Post
pictured Nagy with Czech, Pole, Hungarian and Russian exiles
under the heading: "They Want Us To Go to War Right Now."  On
November 22, 1963 Nagy was living in Dallas.  CMC was actually a
subsidiary of Swiss-based Permindex, whose president was Prince
Gutierez de Spadafora, Italian industrialist and large landowner.
Spadafora's daughter-in-law was related to Hjalmar Schacht.

One of the goals of the CMC was that "Rome will recover once
again her position as center of the civilized world."

Too much attention, IMHO, is given to Hitler's Nazi Germany as the epitome of
fascism, thanks to its atrocities, when the ideology of Fascism really began
in Mussolini's Italy,
where the Roman Empire was remembered nostalgically, with dreams of reviving
it.

The "neo-classical" atmosphere promoted by the Nazis at Germany's hosting of
the Olympics, for example, was first evident in the official iconography of
Fascism in Italy.

Before Hitler redefined it for us, fascism was only, as Mussolini wrote, "the
Corporate State" -- which became the blueprint for ALL nations, even our own,
after the military takeover of production --hence "the Military-Industrial
Complex"-- during World War II.

I wonder how the "Conspiracy Theory" view of post-War history would see
things if, instead of being obsessed with Hitler and Teutonic Nazism, it paid
more attention to Mussolini's elitist corporate technocratic state -- to the
ROMAN model of Fascism?

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[CTRL] (1) Chip Tatum and Pegasus

1999-01-16 Thread Das GOAT

 -Caveat Lector-

THE PEGASUS FILE

 "Former CIA deep-cover agent [Chip Tatum] turns
whistleblower at great risk;
 "His shocking allegations expose powerful names
controlling the international drug trade in high places"

 Copyright (c) 1997 by David G. Guyatt
 From "Nexus" Magazine, Vol. 4, Nos. 3 and 4
 http://cis-6.altnews.com.au/nexus/pegfile1.html


EXCERPT

 Tatum has gone into considerable detail regarding [the
international cabal which he refers to only as] "Pegasus."
 He believes Pegasus was established during the Eisenhower
years as a secret group within the CIA, [charged with monitoring]
that agency's activities for the President [who had publicly
expressed concern over "the military-industrial complex"].
 At some point --believed to be after the assassination of
President John F. Kennedy-- Pegasus "went AWOL" to escape US
Government supervision and soon came under the control of an
international Directorate which allegedly includes George Bush
and Henry Kissinger.
 The directors of Pegasus meet once a year in secret conclave
following G7 meetings.
 The group has "representation" from a number of intelligence
agencies throughout the world.  Included are the DEA, the CIA and
the ATF, [but only irregularly the FBI], as well as agents from
British, Israeli, Turkish and Danish Intelligence, plus "others
who perform various services for Pegasus."
 The mission of Pegasus, Tatum explains, is "to 'align' world
leaders and financiers to 'our' policies and standards."


"PEGASUS" oversees MONEY LAUNDERING

 During l986, [Tatum] set up money-laundering operations in
Watertown, New York State, close to the home base of the Army's
10th Mountain Division at Fort Drum.  The location was chosen
with care.  With access to Fort Drum's telephone lines for secure
communications, he was assigned a Cherokee-140 fixed-wing
aircraft, used to ship personnel and supplies across the Canadian
border under radar cover ...
 Tatum was provided with a civilian cover in the form of
three construction companies: American National Home Builders,
American Constructors and American Homes.
 Funding was provided by Henry Hyde, an Illinois Republican
politician and well known as the CIA's "black money" man.  Hyde
provided a $250,000 line of credit with Key Bank, Watertown.
 Although Tatum was listed as president, in reality all these
companies remained under the control of Ben Whittaker, a lawyer
from Rochester, New York.  Whittaker, Tatum says, [represents]
Tony Wilson, a member of the family that owns Xerox Corporation.
The Wilsons, extremely wealthy, are "friends of the Rothschilds
and Rockefellers."
 [Tatum] was also closely associated with South Eastern US
Investment Group (SEUS) --an investment bank in Savannah,
Georgia-- from 1985 through to 1989, and Irving Place
Development, a [subsidiary] of Irving Bank and Trust Company.
 Cocaine proceeds were laundered through all these companies
through an ingenious use of "construction" loans.
 The drug-related money went to Colorado, Ohio and Arkansas
[because] "Bush had people in his pocket in these areas."
 In Arkansas, the primary figure involved in the laundry
exercise was "Jack Stephens" -- Jackson Stephens, owner of
Worthen Bank  Trust Company, closely aligned with President Bill
Clinton.  Tatum states that "Clinton received the cash and
divided it up between Stephens and [Dan] Lasater to clean it up.
Stephens' company [Worthen Bank] was used as the guarantor,
providing 'warehouse' lines of credit."
 Tatum explains that [Bush and Oliver North's] "Enterprise"
received drugs in exchange for the guns they supplied to the
Contras.  The raw product in the form of coca leaves was supplied
by the Colombians, pressed into large cube-shaped bales, and then
shipped to Nicaragua and Honduras.
 All of the "product" was pre-sold, and its delivery to [and
distribution in] the United States was "guaranteed."
 This eventually resulted in the proceeds from sales being
pre-paid to Panama, under Noriega's control.  Some of this money
was washed through banks and other companies operating in Panama
and elsewhere.  The rest was sent to Arkansas, Ohio and Colorado.
[In the US] the dirty money was filtered via construction
loans with permanent "takeouts" "arranged by banks and [Savings 
Loan] mortgage-lenders."  These, in turn, were later sold to
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- negotiable US Federal Mortgage
Securities traded globally on a daily basis.
 Each laundry "cycle" lasted six months to a year.  The
result: Dirty money transformed into good clean US currency.
 [These Savings  Loan "fronts"] were ultimately destined to
be purchased by a bank (proprietary) from Japan within a specific
time-frame --in 1996 [when BCCI was formally "rehabilitated"]--
as part of ongoing Pegasus plans.
 These [money-laundering vehicles] all became successful --
"'the 

[CTRL] (2) Chip Tatum and Pegasus

1999-01-16 Thread Das GOAT

 -Caveat Lector-

Preview paragraph:

 According to Tatum, only one figure emerged unscathed:
 GEORGE BUSH, who [as a result of the "mysterious deaths" of
other principals] alone retained control of $3.8 billion in
laundered funds.
 What did Bush intend to do with his 'black' $3.8 billion?
 What was the ultimate purpose of the [Iranian] operation?
 Perhaps it was to be used to inject financial muscle into
another, grander scheme, of which Tatum has spoken, involving
George Bush's "scope and mission" paper for a New World Order.
 A copy of a paper written by George Bush outlines the
formation of a [secret multinational] Corporation whose purpose
is to "provide a central network of information, analysts, and
strategists on an international basis, in pursuit of world order
and economic stability".
 The "scope" of the Corporation involves four features:
 1) Centralisation of information services;
 2) Analysis of data by region-specific analysts;
 3) Providing recommendations by international experts;
 4) PROVIDING AN INTERNATIONAL MASTER PLAN FOR WORLD GROWTH
AND ECONOMIC STABILITY.
 The Corporation [scheduled to come into existence by 1996]
is to be privately owned, with a board of directors "consisting
of twelve members, elected annually by [its] shareholders."  In
addition there are to be five departments:  "Data Resources;
Political Management; Economic Management; Military Management;
and ENVIRONMENTAL Management".

 [See "Boss Hog List" at end, incl. heading ARKANSAS ... ]
___

 From "Nexus" Magazine, Vol. 4, Nos. 3 and 4
 http://cis-6.altnews.com.au/nexus/pegfile1.html

THE PEGASUS FILE by David Guyatt

EXCERPT

 The name "Pegasus" was, in fact, a 'cover' designation used
by Tatum to protect himself against possible prosecution.
Earlier this year Tatum revealed the true structure of the group
and explained why he felt the need to conceal it.  Timing was all
important.  In a message to this writer, Tatum stated, "It has
now been well past the five-year statute of limitations which
could have come back and haunted me.  That date was January 22,
1997.  On January 21, 1992 I walked out of the Jupiter Island
meeting to which I referred earlier."
 Few individuals, even now, are aware of the significance of
Jupiter Island.  Located on the Atlantic coast of Florida, just a
few miles north of Palm Beach, the island measures a mere half a
mile wide and nine miles long.
 According to authors Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton
Chaitkin, island residents read like a "Who's Who" of the
Anglo-American establishment.  Many have close connections to the
intelligence apparatus and not a few are, or have been, members
of the notorious Skull and Bones Society, a secretive and
influential [quasi-] Masonic lodge formed at Yale law school.
 Jupiter Island boasts hyper-security.  All vehicles are
tracked by sensors placed in the roads and every housekeeper,
gardener or other non-resident is required by ordinance to be
fingerprinted and registered.  Residents themselves are carefully
screened prior to being permitted to purchase real estate (many
purchase by invitation, it is thought) and one of their primary
duties as good residents is to perform active 'surveillance' to
ensure the island remains secure.
 It was here that Tatum met with and discussed sensitive
projects with then Vice President and later President Bush, at
the residence of his mother, Rose Bush.

SECRET GOVERNMENT APPARATUS

 The so-called Pegasus group's organisational structure, as
provided by Tatum, demands recounting in detail.
 The presidential orders, which led to the formation and
operation of the covert activities in which Tatum and others
participated, are significant for they constitute a secret
government within a government.  This is the power that hides
behind the open face of democratic government.  Activities
include high-level narcotics trafficking, illegal transfers of
ultra-high-tech weaponry, money laundering on a massive scale and
an odd "hit" or "alignment" to keep wobbly-kneed individuals on
the straight and narrow.
 It was in 1981, according to Tatum, that "President Reagan
signed National Security Decision Directive number 3 (NSDD-3)
which authorised the Vice President to chair the Special
Situation Group (SSG).  The Special Situation Group was a
division under the National Security Council (NSC).
 One entity formed to support the SSG was the Terrorist
Incident Working Group (TIWG), secretly @2 established in April
1982 by authority of President Reagan in NSDD-30 .  This group
consisted of representatives of the following:  Director of the
CIA, Department of Defense (DoD), *FEMA* [in which Oliver North
was active], the State Department, NSC staff and the FBI.
 Tatum explained that, "The purpose of TIWG is to provide SSG
with direct 

[CTRL] (3) Chip Tatum and Pegasus

1999-01-16 Thread Das GOAT

 -Caveat Lector-

 From "Nexus" Magazine, Vol. 4, Nos. 3 and 4
 http://cis-6.altnews.com.au/nexus/pegfile1.html

THE PEGASUS FILE

 (Brief biography of Chip Tatum appended following)

=EXCERPT

 In short order [Chip Tatum] was recruited (as an involuntary
"volunteer") to "Team Red Rock".  The team was composed of eight
US Army Green Berets, three US Navy SEALs and two "cowboys" - a
euphemism for CIA paramilitary specialists.  With Tatum attached,
Team Red Rock totalled 14 in all, and was about to be tasked with
an operation that came directly from the White House.
 In January 1971 the team received a final briefing from
General Alexander Haig, who had flown in specially, along with
CIA Saigon Chief William Colby ... Haig and Colby outlined the
plan, stressing its importance and extreme classification.
 President Nixon, desperate to quell domestic riots over an
increasingly unpopular war, sought to withdraw all US personnel
from South-East Asia ...
 During those years, Nixon was also running a "secret war" in
Cambodia and Laos ... Nixon hoped that the vacuum caused by the
withdrawal of US covert forces could be filled by native
Cambodian forces.  Lon Nol, the Cambodian leader, stubbornly
continued to resist Nixon's diplomatic overtures to take up the
slack, being anxious to hedge his bets and realistic about his
chances of survival as Khmer Rouge and Vietnamese forces prepared
to swarm in, unhindered by US air power.
 A plan had been drawn up at the highest levels of Nixon's
administration.  Team Red Rock were to enter Cambodia's capital,
Phnom Penh, in secret and attack the airport and military and
civil installations, wreaking as much havoc as possible ...
 [A few North Vietnamese corpses in uniform were to be
"planted."]  A furious Lon Nol would assume North Vietnam was to
blame.  It was hoped that such an act would stiffen Lon Nol's
backbone.  With nowhere else to turn, the US puppet would
urgently seek [defense contracts for the purchase of more] US
hardware to strengthen his forces and continue the battle.
 The team members were not told that they, too, were to be
sacrificed by their President to ensure that word of the
operation never reached the light of day.
 A detachment of Montagnard tribesmen ("the Yards"), in the
pay of the CIA, was assigned to liquidate each member of the team
and dispose of the bodies.  The attack went successfully, but the
team's suspicion of "the Yards" foiled the betrayal.  Using their
knowledge of "escape and evasion" tactics, the team decided to
trek to the Vietnamese border and back to safety with US forces.
 Casualties thinned out their numbers until only eight of
them remained. Soon these, too, were captured by NVA regulars and
underwent hideous torture at the hands of Chinese and Russian
interrogators. Ultimately, only Tatum and one other team member
survived the ordeal.
 Convalescing, Tatum was debriefed by CIA station chief,
William Colby, and told he would, in future, be kept close to
"the Agency".
 Recruited into the CIA, the yawning door of future "black"
operations creaked open. Life would never be the same again for
Chip Tatum.

CIA DEEP-COVER AGENT

 For the next 10 years or so, Tatum's covert activities were
varied. For a while, he worked out of Homestead Air Force Base
where he was NCIOC of the tower receiver sight and MARS station.
This was the base which then-President Nixon used for his
frequent visits to the Key Biscayne, Florida, "White House".
 Much of [the Nixon-related] period remains obscured behind a
thick blanket of classification ...
 By 1976, Tatum was operating out of Lamar, Colorado, in a
communications facility called OLAB. His contact there was Don
Holmes, president of Valley Savings  Loan ... [He] received a
call from Colby telling him he was resigning his position as
Director, Central Intelligence ... [Colby told him that, no
longer being there to protect him, Tatum's life might be in
jeopardy], as he had powerful enemies in Washington -- referring
to Nixon, Kissinger and Haig ...
 During 1983, Colby established contact again, advising Tatum
he would shortly be contacted by "a man called North".  This, as
Tatum was to discover later, was none other than Lt Col. Oliver
North - the central architect of America's Nicaraguan Contra
campaign.  Besides fighting a covert war, North was also the
link-man in much, much dirtier work ...
 Today, the official argument remains that the Contras were
"freelancing" without the knowledge or consent of their CIA
"handlers" or North's so-called "Enterprise" ...   Despite these
assertions, mountains of hard evidence point in a different
direction.  Included in this evidence is an entry from North's
own diary which shows his knowledge of cocaine shipments.
 In stark contrast to these denials, Tatum says that North's
"Enterprise" not only set up the cocaine factories and "ran" the
Colombian 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Foreign Aid/UN Vote - JBS Alert Network

1999-01-16 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 11/16/1999 1:24:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Key Development: The Clinton Administration and the House Republican
 leadership have sketched out a complete cave-in to the UN/abortion lobbies
 on the Fiscal 2000 Foreign Operations Appropriations bill, H.R. 3196. This
 compromise will be voted upon this week in the House and Senate before
 Congress goes out of session for the holidays.

 Recommendation: E-mail, fax, or call (it's too late to write) your
 representative and senators expressing your outrage and horror at the
 cave-in to the abortion and United Nations lobbies! Tell your congressmen
 to oppose H.R. 3196! 

Sorry, I'm for every woman's right to choose.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass

1999-01-16 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 11/16/1999 3:00:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Walking is for free. 

But the directions are often controlled by those with the power and money.
My own city has developed a whole bunch of gated communities, and areas that
are guaranteed to have public access (such as the Lake Erie waterfront) are
now very difficult to get to.  It's happening more and more.  Walking is
relatively cheap, but there are now a lot of people willing to tell you that
you can't walk where you want to go.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue Failure

1999-01-16 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 11/16/1999 7:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 In the first years of the Ronald
 Reagan Administration a small tempest was created over the Reagan
 campaign camp allegedly obtaining President Jimmy Carter's
 briefing book to be used as debate notes.  

 Reports that have surfaced from the intelligence
community indicate that the rescue attempt may have been
sabotaged. Eight American servicemen died in the fiasco.

Carter was apparently a very trusting soul.  The dirt that was done to him is
more than likely the reason the FBI files were found at the White House.  It
would be a good idea if every administration thoroughly investigated all the
personnel even minutely connected to the White House.  I believe the credit
for stealing the notes goes to George Wills and Robert Novak, both
representatives of our esteemed media.  Nice to know the media never
interfere with political matters.

It didn't take reports from the intelligence community to prove this matter.
COMSEC is still the very best method of finding out what's going or gone on.
The material I heard on three different programs on Public Television (over a
period of about six months) gave me the skinny on this matter.  Public
Television material still had teeth in those days.  It was before the Reagan
administration carefully made those folks dependent on government and
corporate money.  Anyway I still had illusions too, because when one
individual (name I cannot remember) mentioned that an association of retired
generals had wanted to be positive that the prisoners were not released
before the election and as much as admitted they sabotaged the operation to
keep it from happening, I became instantly nauseated.  We had lost men for
the political ambitions of these "CONSERVATIVES."   I think it took me about
five minutes before I could be sure I wouldn't actually vomit.  I was working
for a helicopter outfit at the time, and our guys took off at the top of the
envelope.  We weren't losing aircraft.  Why did every helicopter fall out of
the sky over there.  I can assure you; I have never looked at generals or
Republicans in the same way.  I suspect them all.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Drug - Lord

1999-01-16 Thread Das GOAT

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Tory peer fined for possessing heroin
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=0013072

ISSUE 1632 Saturday 13 November 1999

Tory peer fined for possessing heroin
By Electronic Telegraph Corespondent

LORD HARLECH, an hereditary peer who has lost his seat in the Lords, was
fined £300 yesterday for possessing heroin.

'Very strange': Lord Harlech arrives at Crewe Magistrates court facing
charges of drunkenness and possessing an illegal substance and an offensive
weapon
The Tory peer, 45, pleaded guilty at Crewe magistrates court to possessing
a small packet of the drug and was ordered to pay £118 costs. He spoke only
to confirm his name and enter his plea.

Lord Harlech was arrested early on Tuesday after staggering off a train at
Crewe. The court was told that he was bound for his estate in Oswestry. Jane
Miles, defending, said Lord Harlech had found the heroin on the train.

He had noticed a woman, the only other person in the first-class carriage,
acting strangely and had spoken to the conductor about her. She was removed
for not having a valid first-class ticket. It was then that Lord Harlech
noticed the package. He admitted that it was "rather foolish" but he tasted
it.

Only when he got off the train did he notice that he felt "very strange" and
was staggering on the platform. Outside court, Miss Miles said: "He has
great regret for taking up the court's time and feels he has been dealt with
fairly in the circumstances."

The Harlech family does not have a happy history. Lord Harlech's mother was
killed in a car accident when he was a child. In 1974 his elder brother
Julian shot himself at the age of 33. A second car crash, in 1985, killed
his father. More recently Lord Harlech's sister, Alice, 43, died of a heroin
overdose in a bedsit in Bournemouth.

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[CTRL] The Black Book of Communism

1999-01-16 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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The Wall Street Journal
October 25, 1999

Bookshelf

The Gruesome Consequences Of a Political Idea

By JACOB HEILBRUNN

The history of communism has not just been about terror, torture,
deportations and massacres. It has also been about the illusions of
Western intellectuals. Whether it is Günter Grass receiving the Nobel
Prize partly for his novelistic effusions about the coziness of East
Germany or revisionist historians playing down Stalin's
culpability for the great purges, communism has enjoyed, and continues
to enjoy, a reputation as an ideology that supposedly pursued lofty
humanitarian ends, even if it went astray at times. Indeed, the big
intellectual no-no has been to liken it to the other great totalitarian
movement of the 20th century -- Nazism.

So when "The Black Book of Communism" appeared in Europe in 1997
detailing communism's crimes, it created a furor. Scrupulously
documented and soberly written by several historians, it is a masterful
work. It is, in fact, a reckoning. With this translation by Jonathan
Murphy and Mark Kramer, English-language readers may now see for
themselves what all the commotion was about.

In his introduction, Stéphane Courtois, himself a former communist,
breaks with the postwar taboo on comparing the Gulag with the Holocaust.
He notes that the communist body count of more than 100 million exceeds
that of the Nazis. He compares the "class genocide" of communism with
the "race genocide" of Nazism and states that both were "crimes against
humanity."

So controversial was this comparison that two of Mr. Courtois's
editor-collaborators -- Nicolas Werth and Jean-Louis Margolin -- later
distanced themselves from what he wrote. And predictably, the French
left lashed itself into a frenzy, denouncing the book's contributors for
traducing the noble communist fight against fascism.

In Germany, by contrast, Mr. Courtois's views met with a somewhat less
chilly reception. A decade before a bitter historians' dispute had
erupted when leftist intellectuals such as Jürgen Habermas accused
conservative historians of attempting to whitewash the Nazi past by
playing up communist atrocities, which some, not all, were indeed trying
to do. But this didn't justify the left's refusal to confront the
horrors of communism.
Eventually, the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the revelation of
communist abuses in East Germany helped to overturn old dogmas, and "The
Black Book" prompted many Germans to take another look at the
relationship between communism and Nazism.

That relationship may never be fully understood. But the Russian Red
Terror, in its emphasis on the elimination of entire classes of peoples,
in its description of opponents as "vermin" to be exterminated, does
seem like a precursor of the German concentration camps. Moreover,
Nazism profited greatly not only from
Lenin's and Stalin's Gulag system -- Rudolf Hoess, commandant of
Auschwitz, solicited reports about the operations of Soviet camps -- but
also from Bolshevism itself, which served as both a whipping boy and, at
times, a political idea that could be collaborated with. The two
ideologies validated each other.

After World War II, the prestige of the Soviet Union was at its height.
The country had fought on the side of the democracies, U.S. war
propaganda had painted pipe-smoking "Uncle Joe Stalin" as a friendly
fellow. In Europe, communists made a comeback in France, Italy and
Germany with the flowering of the myth that
communists were merely heroic anti-fascist freedom fighters. Thus the
gruesome Soviet record was suppressed.

"That the Soviet Union had paid the heaviest human toll for its victory
over Nazism," writes Mr. Werth, "served to mask the character of the
Stalinist dictatorship." In fact, "the Soviet prisons had never held as
many prisoners as they did in the year of victory: a grand total of
nearly 5.5 million people."

Mr. Werth astutely notes that the Gulag was filled with "criminals"
because almost any action, however innocuous, could be branded as
illegal dissent. The Gulag,you might say, was the distilled essence of
the Soviet Union. Once Khrushchev denounced Stalin's crimes, the Soviet
Union began to unravel, however slowly,
having lost its reason for being.

After the halo wore off the Soviet Union, China emerged as a new beacon
for credulous Westerners. Mr. Margolin writes that "one myth was common
in the West:the idea that China was far from being a model democracy,
but that at least Mao had managed to give a bowl of rice to every
Chinese person." In fact, nothing was
further than the truth. Mao, like Stalin, deliberately engineered a
famine that killed untold millions.

Today the hermit kingdom of North Korea is, by all accounts, continuing
this tradition by systematically starving much of its population. Pierre
Rigoulot estimates in "The Black Book" that the regime has already
killed 500,000 people through malnutrition. Over the past 50 years, he
concludes, North Korea's 

[CTRL] GLOBAL PEOPLE'S TRIBUNAL ON CORPORATE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY: In Seattle Nov 27-29

1999-01-16 Thread +**

 -Caveat Lector-

Subject:
 ** GLOBAL PEOPLE'S TRIBUNAL ON CORPORATE CRIMES AGAINST
 HUMANITY: In Seattle Nov 27-29
Date:
 Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:34:57 +0800
From:
 "ben m." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Dear friends and allies,
A unique event is being organized to take place the weekend prior to the
WTO meeting in Seattle. It's being coordinated by Ward Morehouse,
co-director (with Richard Grossman) of the Program on Corporations, Law and
Democracy (POCLAD). I urge anyone who is interested in this event to do
what you can among the following tasks to ensure that the event is a huge
success:

1.  Try to attend this event yourself, and tell your associates about it if
they're going to Seattle.
2.  Re-Send this email to your list of ally individuals and organizations
PROMPTLY. It's being organized quite late in the game, and has not received
much publicity thus far. You can help rectify that!
3. If you have a website, please link it to OUR website as this full text
is also downloadable from our site:
www.monitor.net/democracyunlimited
3.  Make a tax-deductible donation to help defray the substantial expenses
associated with bringing dozens of expert witnesses together, renting a
hall, etc. Checks may be made payable to CIPA, and sent to the address at
the end of the announcement.
4.  If you own a broadcast-quality video camera, and can commit to being
present for the entire event (Sat + Sun 9am-5pm) as part of a multi-camera
film crew, please promptly contact video coordinator Emilia Berol - no
later than 9pm west coast time on Monday, Nov 22nd - at 707-826-1963 or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I hope to see you there,

Paul Cienfuegos
Director, Democracy Unlimited of Humboldt County
Arcata, CA

---

DRAFT DOCUMENT: 23 September 1999

Announcement

GLOBAL PEOPLE'S TRIBUNAL ON CORPORATE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

Seattle, Washington, USA,  November 27-29, 1999

Plans are now being made to hold a Global People's Tribunal on Corporate
Crimes Against Humanity at the time of the World Trade Organization
Ministerial Meeting, which starts on November 29.  The Tribunal will hear
testimony and receive other forms of evidence of crimes against humanity by
global corporations as defined under international and Canadian law on
Saturday and Sunday, November 27 and 28, from 9am to 5pm both days.  A
decision on whether this evidence is sufficient to sustain charges of
crimes against humanity will be rendered on Monday, November 29, the
opening day of the Ministerial Meeting.

Rationale:
The real enemy of the people and the biosphere in Seattle is not the World
Trade Organization but those structures of power which created it and which
it serves -- namely, giant global corporations now larger than most nation
states.  One purpose of the Tribunal is to focus attention on this
underlying reality of corporate-driven globalization.  Another purpose of
the Tribunal is underscore just how destructive of fundamental human
rights, the environment and democratic process the world's largest
corporations are.

The organizers believe that it will be possible to present to the Seattle
Tribunal sufficient evidence to sustain an indictment of those corporations
being examined by the Tribunal for "crimes against humanity."   Such crimes
have been defined under Canadian Law C-71 as meaning "... murder,
extermination, deportation, persecution, or any other inhumane act or
commission that is committed against any civilian population or any
identifiable persons ... and that ... constitutes a contravention of
customary international law or conventional international law or is
criminal according to the general principles of law recognized by the
Community of Nations" (emphasis added).  This definition is drawn from the
Charter of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg as subsequently
reaffirmed and extended to acts committed at any time (not just wartime) by
the UN General Assembly.  And the UN's International Law Commission has
asserted that "inhumane acts" become crimes against humanity when they are
"committed in a systematic way or on a large scale and instigated or
directed by a Government or by any organization or group" (emphasis added)
which clearly includes non-state actors such as giant global corporations.

Tribunal Format:
A grand jury of persons from the USA (host of the WTO Meeting), Canada, and
other countries will be impaneled by the presiding judge or judges of the
Tribunal to receive evidence of crimes against humanity by a limited number
of global corporations (see below).  The jury will be aided in this task by
one or more prosecutors who will review the applicability of crimes against
humanity as defined above to different "inhumane acts or omissions" under
Canadian and international law.

This Tribunal will function like a grand jury, considering whether or not
there is sufficient evidence to sustain charges of "crimes 

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Ex Intelligence Officers Meet

1999-01-16 Thread Kris Millegan





From: Michael Novick [EMAIL PROTECTED]

A Not-Quite-Public Gathering of Spies
Coming in From the Cold for Intelligence 2000 Meeting
Nov. 17, 1999

By Chip Beck

National Archives
Ex-CIA Director Richard Helms in 1968

WASHINGTON (APBnews.com) -- The spooks came quietly for the unusual
meeting: Some were infamous, many mysterious, and others had been quite
invisible in their former lives.

In late October, on the outskirts of the nation's capital, the Association
of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO) brought together generations of
America's past spies for a convention called Intelligence 2000. The purpose
of this rare event, held over two days at Tyson's Corner, Va., and the
National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) in Chantilly, Va., was to seek broad
public support for the maintenance of a professional and active national
intelligence service.

Not all of the legends of America's spy services attended the AFIO
conference, but the former and current intelligence officers who were
present nevertheless represented a formidable who's who (and "who used to
be who") in the intelligence networks, past and present.

Intelligence luminaries



(Click for larger view)
An editorial cartoon by Chip Beck


The audience included intelligence luminaries such as former Central
Intelligence director Richard Helms, "the man who kept the secrets"; Maj.
Gen. Jack Singlaub, who parachuted into occupied France during World War II
and later led the special operations group in Vietnam; Ted Shackley, a.k.a.
the Silver Ghost; and Joe Beyle, a prisoner of war held by both the Germans
and the Soviets in World War II. Other attendees preferred to remain
anonymous, as old habits dictated, even though most of them have come in
from the cold after joining AFIO.

AFIO is a nonprofit, non-political "intelligence education" association.
Its 2,600 members are spies, counterspies, spymasters and intelligence
analysts who served the United States from the days of World War II's
legendary Office of Strategic Services through the Cold War's cluster of
alphabet soup intelligence agencies including the CIA, DIA, ONI, NRO, NSA
and various other military and civilian groups.

Incorporated in 1975, AFIO has become increasingly active since the end of
the Cold War as various interests have engaged in a national debate about
how much the United states should spend on intelligence services in the
post-Cold War era.

'Off the record' for journalists

In sessions that were officially "off the record" for journalists, a broad
range of viewpoints were expressed by speakers such as Rep. Tim Sample of
the House Intelligence Committee; Gen. Paul Gorman, former
Commander-in-Chief of Southern Command in Panama; Michael Vatis, director
of the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center; and Col. Michael
Haenchen, vice commander of the Air Force Information Warfare Center.

The general topics discussed at Intelligence 2000 were a matter of public
record, even if the details of the presentations were not.

The overall gist of the speakers was that, as America approaches the
millennium, it faces broader and more complex problems than ever before and
must maintain a strong and technologically adept intelligence community to
be its eyes and ears around the globe.

Sample talked about "Resource Allocation Considerations for National
Security," and how intelligence requirements will be balanced with
budgetary, political and national security concerns.

Lively and blunt

Gen. Pat Hughes, who provided perhaps the liveliest and most blunt
presentation, replete with both slides and humor, talked about
"contemporary intelligence achievements and challenges."

Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet, also displaying a dry wit
and a grasp of professional details, fielded questions from an audience
that was as well-versed in the topics as he is, and he pulled very few
punches, although he adroitly side-stepped a couple.

The FBI's Vatis and the Air Force's Haenchen discussed the cyberthreat to
the United States and defensive and offensive information operations,
respectively. What can be said about their two presentations is that
"warfare" in the 21st century is expected to be quite unlike anything
experienced in the past 100 years.

Both Jeffrey Harris, the former NRO director, and Keith Hall, the current
director, discussed space imaging from both the private industry and
governmental platforms, perhaps demonstrating how official and commercial
assets will be dividing up the workload in this expanding realm.

The overall warning that many observers said they took from the meeting was
this: Just as Americans in 1899 could not fully anticipate the tumultuous
events that lay ahead of them in 20th century, neither can the we in 1999
be fully aware of -- or prepared for -- what is coming in the next 100 years.


Chip Beck, an APBnews.com senior analyst, is a former senior operations
officer and U.S. Navy Commander who retired from the CIA in 1993
([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Re: [CTRL] Crowley Freemasonry

1999-01-16 Thread Tatman, Robert

 -Caveat Lector-

FWIW, I've run across a story about one of the "retreats" at the Wewelsburg
called by Himmler for his twelve SS-Gruppenführer (generals), including, of
course, Heydrich. (That there were twelve of them was not a coincidence;
Himmler deliberately invoked the image of the Knights of the Round Table.)
Each man was assigned a room (identified by a medieval knight's heraldic
shield, probably drawn from the Arthurian legends), where he was supposed to
meditate on the classics of German literature, such as *Das Niebelungenlied*
or *Parzival*. And most of them duly, if awkwardly, did just that. Heydrich,
however, did not. Defying Himmler's instructions, he had packed a bottle of
Schnapps, several packs of cigarettes, and a detective novel, and while his
colleagues were contemplating such figures as Siegfried and Klingsor,
Heydrich stretched out comfortably with the latest "Krimi."

Himmler and Heydrich were merely two sides of the same coin. Himmler
believed in the occult, as did many of the Nazi Reichsleiter; Heydrich did
not believe in anything except Heydrich, a belief system shared by quite a
few of the Nazi elite. When Heydrich banned all occult groups and practices,
his objective was to focus the attention of the masses entirely on the
person of Adolf Hitler and the institution of the NSDAP. Himmler's seances
were *not* public affairs; they were intended to raise supernatural power
for the benefit specifically of the SS and particularly its Reichsführer,
Heinrich Himmler. Both Himmler and Heydrich were concerned solely with
power, however that might manifest itself. That Heydrich was a thoroughgoing
cynic (as befitted a Nazi leader who may well have been part Jewish) and
Himmler was a complete, even credulous, believer, becomes essentially
irrelevant in considering their respective roles in the history of the Third
Reich. What matters is the way they exercised their very considerable power,
and the way they increased that power by manipulating the structure and the
symbols of the Nazi state.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:00 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Crowley  Freemasonry

  -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 11/17/99 1:29:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The Nazi attitude toward the occult was contradictory and paradoxical,
 as
   was everything associated with the Third Reich. When Reinhard Heydrich
 was
   named to head the Sicherheitsdienst (SD, the SS Security Service) in
 1935,
   his first act was to ban every form of popular and elite occultism,
 from
   Tarot card readers to the Thule-Gesellschaft. At the same time,
 however,
 the
   SS itself was promulgating its own highly esoteric occultism, centered
 on
   the Wewelsburg in Westphalia in the heart of Nibelung country. There,
   Himmler gathered his generals for meditation and seances, seeking to
 raise
   the shades of the heroes of Germany's past... It seems that the Nazis
 were
   not so much outlawing superstition and fakery when they banned
 occultism,
 as
   they were eliminating actual or potential rivals (such as Rudolph
 Steiner's
   Anthroposophy).

 Truly this is the difference in form from Heydrich and Himmler.  Himmler
 "seems" to have been much more inclined towards hedging his bets on
 occultism
 and was much more credible in these matters than Heydrich who was a
 pragmatic
 materialist (at least so far as we know).  It is probably a really good
 thing
 that Heydrich was offed and Himmler was the main man because the war would
 have been worse.  Incidentally I don't buy the British offing of Heydrich
 story, and attribute his death to more of a mystery, perhaps with Himmler
 behind it or other members of the Nazi party.



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Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue Failure

1999-01-16 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Intriguing. But my point about an Oligarch actually running the country
directly is still, I think, accurate...Nixon hardly qualified as a member of
the Oligarchy, even though he might have liked to think of himself that way.
He was recruited, guided, and controlled every step of the way.

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 In a message dated 99-11-17 12:57:50 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Clearly Bush was actually running the
 country throughout "Reagan's" term in office, as well as his own...one of
 the very few occasions in this century when an Oligarch has actually
 taken
 the direct reins of power.

 But not the first time a VP in the background has run the show.  I keep
 running into references to the little-known fact that when Allen Dulles
 was
 ill between 1956-1957, vice president Richard Nixon actually ran the CIA
 --
 and through it, US foreign policy..
 Seems Bush's mentor Nixon was "virtual" President under a golf-playing
 Eisenhower,
 which may have inspired VP Bush to look for a similar opportunity under
 Reagan ...



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[CTRL] (3) Austin's Yogurt Shop Murders: Conspiracy?

1999-01-16 Thread Mack White

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From the AntiShyster website:

INTERVIEW WITH ATTORNEYS
ERIK MOEBIUS
AND DAVID PARKER

TRANSCRIPT

Christian Patriot Radio Program
February 1996

Talk Show Hosts:
Michael Ellis and Alfred Adask

Part One

ADASK:  We're going to start off with David Parker.  He's a local attorney
in Dallas and I've known David for several years now.  I think the first
time we met was back, maybe three years ago.  About that time when you were
helping me when I did a series of articles on Cliff Lane who had been
beaten up badly in the bankruptcy courts and everything indicated he'd been
robbed essentially of about $50 million in the bankruptcy courts.  And
Cliff Lane, the guy introduced me to you and you as an attorney that were
helping Mr. Lane and also endeavoring to expose the injustice in the
bankruptcy courts.  You've been at that for I don't know how many years,
but three anyway now that I'm aware of.  David is one of the guys that
probably they should have never let into the Bar.  What I mean by that is
you could tell he was a troublemaker, the Bar should have known he was a
troublemaker because he didn't go to law school right out of college.  He
went into the army for a while.  Fell off the wagon. How old were you when
you got your law degree?

PARKER:  I was close to 30.

ADASK:  I understand.  See, that's trouble.  It's a lot easier if you can
run with people -every time I run into a maverick, I won't say every time,
but the majority of instances is one of these attorneys who didn't go right
out of college, they went into the real world for a while, came back.  I'm
sure the Bar regrets deeply that they ever let anybody in there that missed
a semester.  David has brought to my attention another attorney, our second
guest-Erik Moebius from Houston.  David, why don't you go ahead and run
with the introduction on this and give us an idea of what we're talking
about.

PARKER:  My pleasure.  It's really nice to be here and great to be on the
show.  Erik is an unusual lawyer in the sense that he encountered
corruption in the legal process and wanted to do something about it and I
think that's a little bit unusual.  Once he started, it was a long path.
He's been in this litigation for a number of years and he started having
problems with the State Bar and they continued on a process to disbar him
which they ultimately did a few months ago.  His story is intriguing.  He
probably tells it better than I.  It's important to remember though that
Erik was a normal lawyer before all this happened.  He had worked for the
attorney general's office for a number of years.  He was a good litigation
and he has a wife and a family.  He thought he was doing a good job in the
legal process and actually like I when you stumble upon this corruption you
think you're going to get a medal for exposing it.  Instead you get a heel
on the back of your neck and quite a few problems after that.  I think Erik
though probably can better explain everything that's happened.

ADASK:  Let me just make one point to make sure I understand, see if I got
this right.  Erik, you were an assistant attorney general for the state of
Texas for 5 years?  Is that true?

MOEBIUS:  That's correct.  I was a litigation for the highway department.

ADASK:  Just so you folks understand that we're not just-Erik has some
credentials behind him and this is not just an exercise in wishful
thinking.  We've got a credible individual here who will also be speaking
tomorrow night, and I believe perhaps providing at least verbal you'll get
the story in greater detail tomorrow night, an opportunity to ask questions
and perhaps even some evidence.  I don’'t know if you're bringing any paper
work along so people can have a look at it.  In any case, come on down to
our meeting tomorrow night.  This is Erik Moebius.

MOEBIUS:  Let me tell you that when I first came out of law school I worked
for the Ft. Worth Court of Appeals, as a briefing attorney.  Anything
coming up from the trial court that would have an appeal.  That gives an
attorney a good look at the appellate process and also at the judicial
process because you are in effect working with judges.  As a result of an
opinion I wrote dealing with extending a statute of limitations for
illegitimate children to find their parents, I was offered a job at the
attorney general's office.  In the mixed up way that things go, I went down
there and I ended up in the Highway Division which is a very heavy
litigation division.  Now I like that and this is a big state and under the
tort claims act attorneys like Randy Hill who's now an attorney here in
Dallas but he and I were assistant attorney generals at the same time.  We
would travel to the areas where the injuries or deaths occurred and
litigate the cases.  So we've been to cases like El Paso Junction, Bexar,
Houston, Ft. Worth . . .

ADASK:  More important than that, you're not simply researcher, you're a
litigation.

MOEBIUS:  Yes.  I was a senior litigation with 

[CTRL] (4) Austin's Yogurt Shop Murders: Conspiracy?

1999-01-16 Thread Mack White

 -Caveat Lector-

NOTE:  Roy Q. Minton, the lawyer in the Yogurt Shop case described in the
preceding documents by lawyer Erik Moebius, is also the Austin lawyer for
Freeport McMoRan.  The three articles below will suffice to provide a
general description of Freeport McMoRan and the company it keeps:

From Corporate Watch:

Suhartless

November 24 - 30, 1998
Andrew Hsiao  Jason Vest
Press Clips, Village Voice

Though hardly a maverick act of moral courage, The New York Times did
manage to editorialize on Saturday in favor of a faster path to civil
rights in post-Suharto Indonesia.  "[President B.J.] Habibie and his
political allies want the army to retain its hand in selecting presidents
for 5 to 10 more years," said the paper. "A quicker, cleaner transition to
full civilian democracy is needed, and Washington should not be shy about
saying so."

This was a refreshing sentiment from the Times, considering a previous
Nicolas Kristof dispatch, in which the erstwhile Tokyo bureau chief
characterized the Indonesian Army as "the institution that used to keep the
passengers in the back seat and maintain order"-rather than as the
genocidal legion of murderous thugs they are.

Nonetheless, the Times didn't inquire as to the likelihood of Washington
putting the screws to Habibie. Maybe that's because the chances are slim,
in part because of the extraordinary and baleful influence of an American
multinational: New Orleans mining behemoth and Suharto ally Freeport
McMoRan Copper and Gold. Not unlike Chiquita in Honduras, Freeport-through
a combination of lobbying and campaign donations over the past two
decades-has helped ensure that U.S. policy supported the corrupt Indonesian
status quo. Now, Freeport has an apparent friend in Robert Livingston, the
new Speaker of the House.

And yet Freeport has been given a free ride in much of our elite press,
even as riots have propelled Indonsesia to the front pages. Since Suharto's
fall in May, both the Times and the Washington Post have devoted only a
single passing reference to the company.

Indonesia briefly captured the media's imagination in 1996, amid
allegations that the country's oligarchy had sought to curry favor with the
White House-via massive illicit contributions from the wealthy Riady
family's Lippo Group to the DNC. But in an excellent November 1996 two-part
series, the Journal of Commerce's Tim Shorrock showed that Freeport and
other U.S. corporations with Indonesian interests were far more able agents
of political influence than their Indonesian counterparts. Freeport was the
first U.S. company to set up shop in Indonesia and, with the government, it
now runs the world's largest gold mine and third largest copper mine, both
located in army-occupied Irian Jaya.

Freeport's CEO, James "Jim Bob" Moffett, was a golfing partner of
Suharto's, while one of the men who gave Suharto the green light to embark
on the murderous conquest of East Timor-Henry Kissinger-sits on Freeport's
board. So, too, does J. Bennett Johnston, who, while a Louisiana senator,
made sure Congress did little to impede the flow of arms to Jim Bob's
despotic putting-green partner. The company has also doled out well over $1
million in campaign contributions to both parties since 1980.

Despite Jim Bob's long public affiliation with Suharto, the Singapore
Business Times reported earlier this year that Freeport McMoRan
"categorically denied any association with former president Suharto," and
that reports "accusing the company of links through collusion and nepotism
to the former first family were untrue." Last month, however, the Wall
Street Journal's Peter Waldman described Freeport's Indonesian operations
as "a study in how multinational companies adapted to the crony capitalism"
that was a hallmark of the Suharto era. And in the September 7/14 issue of
The Nation, Robert Bryce reported on two unique loan arrangements between
Freeport and Indonesian companies-one belonging to Suharto's labor
minister, the other involving Suharto and longtime crony Bob Hasan.

The Jakarta Post and other regional papers have been carrying regular news
about recent Habibie government investigations, however modest, into the
Freeport-Suharto connection. The Indonesian Observer, for example, reported
on November 18 that "the wealth of Suharto's cronies in Irian Jaya is
believed to be mostly invested in enterprises serving as contractors to...
Freeport." Cited as exhibit A: Bob Hasan, who "apparently held a virtual
monopoly on the supply of food" to Freeport's 28¢-an-hour workers.

Meanwhile, Livingston has taken thousands of dollars from Freeport in
recent years. In 1995, Freeport used its Washington juice-Kissinger, ex-CIA
director James Woolsey, and others-to get its political risk insurance
policy reinstated, after the policy had been axed because of the company's
"substantial adverse environmental impacts" in Irian Jaya. Now Indonesian
activists are asking what Freeport will get from Livingston-even if U.S.

[CTRL] (0) Austin's Yogurt Shop Murders: Conspiracy?

1999-01-16 Thread Mack White

 -Caveat Lector-

The following articles are currently receiving wide circulation by e-mail
in Austin, Texas.  The allegations are explosive, with implications that
reach far beyond this city.

Part 1 is an article by Seattle lawyer Erik Moebius (formerly of Austin),
which describes "reserve" insurance fraud and alleges this was the motive
for the Yogurt Shop murders.

Part 2 contains correspondence and affidavits concerning recent
developments in the case--among them allegations that police coerced
confessions from the four young defendants.

Part 3 is the transcript of a radio interview with Erik Moebius which
provides more background on the case.

Part 4 contains articles on Freeport McMoRan, a CIA-connected company
represented in Austin by lawyer Roy Q. Minton, whom Moebius alleges set up
the Yogurt Shop murders to generate a cash flow which could be laundered
with drug money.

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[CTRL] DIANA: MODERN MOON GODDESS - Nitro News - Kenn Thomas

1999-01-16 Thread Kris Millegan

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from;
http://www.nitronews.com/thomas.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.nitronews.com/thomas.html"Nitro News - Kenn
Thomas/A
-
DIANA: MODERN MOON GODDESS
QUEEN OF NEW WORLD ORDER
By Kenn Thomas
Conspiracy Columnist
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I recently went on an infotainment program called Extra, on the Fox Network,
to again call for an investigation into the death of Jim Keith, my former
writing partner and the person who started this column for Nitro News.

It occurred to me that an extraordinary lack of attention remains about this
story in the mainstream media. The Reno coroner issued a denial of the
possibility of conspiracy, but Extra was the first national program to bring
it up.

This stands as quite a contrast to Danny Casolaro, a relatively unknown
writer whose death made many national headlines. Why is it that Keith, a
well-known and popular writer on conspiracy subjects, has not yet ranked such
attention?

For the sake of trying to enourage more media attention, I tapped another
friend of his, Robert Sterling. Sterling publishes the e-newsletter Konformist
. He provides the following review and closer examination of the story that
may have led to Jim Keith's demise - the mysterious death of Princess Diana:

On August 31, 1997, Lady Diana died in a car crash (along with her boyfriend,
Egyptian playboy Dodi Fayed). Officially, the accident was caused by the
couple's chauffeur, who allegedly was drunk behind the wheel, driving their
Mercedes over 100mph while being chased by photographers.

Over the internet, other versions of what happened traveled quickly,
including the most popular one: Her "car accident" was caused by British
Intelligence agents (working in league with the CIA) in retaliation for her
alleged plans to marry Dodi.

Whatever merits such conspiracy theories have, the dissemination of them is a
milestone event in the history of conspiracy and the internet, an Alvin
Toffler-esque moment of Future Shock where the alternative reality was
promoted as fast as the official one.

Compare it to the lag time between the kill shot of JFK and the Oliver Stone
film on the subject 28 years later, and the death of Lady Di represents a
significant moment in information distribution.
The Diana conspiracy was widely distributed (and believed) for one simple
reason: it was quite plausible, and it certainly fit the circumstances of the
accident. Though the British Establishment would prefer people to believe
otherwise, there is little doubt it is inherently racist, and would've been
offended if Diana had married a dark-skinned Arab Muslim.

The fact that Dodi Fayed came from a rich and powerful Arabic family made him
a dangerous outsider as well (his father was billionaire Mohamed al-Fayed,
and his cousin was Syrian arms merchant and Iran-Contra player Adnan
Khashoggi, both of whom have lots of dirt on many British bigwigs).

Besides that, Diana had long been an annoyance to the British Monarchy, and
was starting to become more politicized with her call for an international
ban on land mines. Enough was enough.

Then there's the whole official "drunk driver" explanation, which under any
examination makes little sense. In the September 22, 1997 issue of Time
Magazine, they reported on a Time-CNN investigation of Henri Paul's sobriety,
published under the neutral title "Drunk And Drugged."
Despite the title, right before 10pm, he was at a bar, where he didn't drink,
and according to the bartender, "If he'd been drunk, we would have known
about it." He soon received a call to go to work. There, Time and CNN could
only report that an "unnamed Ritz employee" stated he drank pastis until he
got up to go, and then he "staggered" and "knocked into a customer."

Yet, if he did get drunk as is claimed, why did Diana, Dodi, or Dodi's
bodyguard not notice? And why, even if he could feign sobriety while
supposedly being four times over the legally intoxicated limit, did he not
inform them of his situation? And how come he looked so perfectly normal on
the Ritz Carlton video of him walking to the car? Time tried to dismiss this
evidence by describing it as a "jerky, heavily edited tape." Considering all
these questions, another plausible explanation for the drunk driver evidence
appears: the blood samples in the autopsy were spiked. This wouldn't be any
more difficult than to contract the killing itself.

This year, Rayelan Allen published a wild and fascinating book called Diana,
Queen of Heaven: The New World Religion. In it, she further details her
theory, namely that the purported murder was a Masonic occult ritual, and
thus the beginning steps of turning Di into a religious icon for the New
World Order, a modern day Moon Goddess for the Aquarian Age.

Moon Goddess or not, there should be little surprise that even two years
after the tragic deaths in France, Diana conspiracy theories are popular,
arguably more accepted and believed by the public than the official story
itself - except, of 

Re: [CTRL] (2/2) Who Killed JFK? Communists or NAZIS?

1999-01-16 Thread Tatman, Robert

 -Caveat Lector-

There is an important difference between the Italian Fascist "corporatism"
and the "corporate state" of American-style monopoly capitalism. Mussolini's
model was based loosely on the medieval "estates," with elements of the
guild system thrown in for good measure. Italian "corporations" were
conceived of as *social* entities, defining one's place in the Fascist
state, as much as they were *economic* entities. Each corporation comprised
the total workforce of a given industry, from top management to the lowest
maintenance worker on the shop floor. Within the hierarchy of Fascism, every
member of a corporation was considered (theoretically) to be the equal of
every other member, regardless of prior social or economic standing. This
decidedly leftist bent, with its contempt for traditional elites and
particularly for the mercantile establishment, was characteristic of both
Fascism and National Socialism, especially in their earlier stages.

The "corporate state" as we know and love it today is a different breed of
cat entirely. The Italian corporations were more like American industrial
unions (CIO) than they were like modern corporations. The modern American
corporation is characterized by a strict hierarchy based on income and
established power. A rigid wall is erected between "management" and "labor,"
with precise protocol governing interactions between the two. Power in the
American corporation is concentrated in the board of directors; and because
corporate boards frequently, even usually, overlap in membership a pattern
of interlocking directorates emerges, effectively producing
behind-the-scenes coordination and collaboration to manipulate the
supposedly free market. And, because the interlocking directorates include
the vast majority of potential political leaders, it is these combined
boards--the Oligarchy, to borrow Jack London's term from *The Iron
Heel*--that control the political process, manipulating the "marketplace of
ideas" in the same way they manipulate the economic marketplace.

More on this later...

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 From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:06 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] (2/2) Who Killed JFK?  Communists or NAZIS?

  snip

 Too much attention, IMHO, is given to Hitler's Nazi Germany as the epitome
 of
 fascism, thanks to its atrocities, when the ideology of Fascism really
 began
 in Mussolini's Italy,
 where the Roman Empire was remembered nostalgically, with dreams of
 reviving
 it.

 The "neo-classical" atmosphere promoted by the Nazis at Germany's hosting
 of
 the Olympics, for example, was first evident in the official iconography
 of
 Fascism in Italy.

 Before Hitler redefined it for us, fascism was only, as Mussolini wrote,
 "the
 Corporate State" -- which became the blueprint for ALL nations, even our
 own,
 after the military takeover of production --hence "the Military-Industrial
 Complex"-- during World War II.

 I wonder how the "Conspiracy Theory" view of post-War history would see
 things if, instead of being obsessed with Hitler and Teutonic Nazism, it
 paid
 more attention to Mussolini's elitist corporate technocratic state -- to
 the
 ROMAN model of Fascism?



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[CTRL] Rabin Murder - case to be re-opened

1999-01-16 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:alt.conspiracy.princess-diana
As, always, Caveat Lector
Om
K
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Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy.princess-diana:32784"Rabin
 Murder - case to be re-opened/A
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Subject: Rabin Murder - case to be re-opened
From: Steve Reed A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"asreed@lasting
s.softnet.co.uk/A
Date: Tue, 16 November 1999 04:00 PM EST
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Nice ones, Phillip. Keep the pot simmering until the material is "al
dente"!

In message v03110701b45750e9adf1@[147.49.5.41], Phillip Henika
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
A HREF="http://www.jpost.com/com/Letters/707.html"http://www.jpost.com/com/
Letters/707.html/A

Tuesday, November 16, 1999
7 Kislev 5760   Updated Tue., Nov. 16 01:22
Censored Pages re: Avishai Raviv
Philip
San Ramon CA USA (15 Nov 1999)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jerusalem Post and Citizens:

   In a letter to The Israel Culture Newsletter (1), Ellis Shuman
states: "The press has highlighted censored documents, concerning Raviv's
employment by Israel's secret service organization, and many have claimed
that this is proof of a further coverup regarding Rabin." ("Who Shot
Yitzhak Rabin?"; Ellis Shuman; Mon, Nov 15, 1999; The Israeli Culture
Newsletter) [added comment not in letter because the Jerusalem Post does
not publish urls (2) - url -
A
HREF="http://israeliculture.about.com/culture/israeliculture/library/weekly/mc
urrent.h"http://israeliculture.about.com/culture/israeliculture/library/weekl
y/mcurrent.h/A
tm ]

   I think it is important to note the appearance of this censored
material on the Internet.

   "Regarding the news about Avishai's [Raviv] operation methods in the
SHABAC, I was told a website containing the original 4 pages in Hebrew that
were censored yesterday in Nisim Mishal's TV program is available. Can
anyone tell me what's the URL for that website???" [added comment not in
letter because the Jerusalem Post does not publish urls (2) - url -
A
HREF="http://x30.deja.com/=yahoo/getdoc.xp?AN=545869275CONTEXT=942175517.8836
87489hi"http://x30.deja.com/=yahoo/getdoc.xp?AN=545869275CONTEXT=942175517.
883687489hi/A
tnum=0 ]


   I tested one site [added comment not in letter - url -
A HREF="http://www.tip.co.il/"http://www.tip.co.il//A ] (3) and found
the censored pages in both Hebrew and
translated into English and, as a matter of free speech, I will continue to
check the site daily to see if it is still there which is the case as of
November 15, 1999

--- Philip

Note: Submitted Letters (4,5)

(1)
A
HREF="http://israeliculture.about.com/culture/israeliculture/library/weekly/mc
urrent.h"http://israeliculture.about.com/culture/israeliculture/library/weekl
y/mcurrent.h/A
tm

Mon, Nov  15,  1999
Who Shot Yitzhak Rabin?
The Israeli Culture Newsletter
Ellis Shuman

Dateline: 11/15/99

"The questions I am raising are not new ones, but this time the media has
decided to relate to them." These were the words of Knesset member, Dalia
Rabin-Pelosoff, daughter of the late Prime Minister. Dalia was speaking on
the fourth anniversary of her father's assassination, and while she didn't
support the many conspiracy theories that have been circulating regarding
the murder, she emphasized that the issues of the case remain open.

"Until this day, there is no answer to the question of who killed my
father," Dalia said, speaking in an Israel Radio interview. "Here we blame
Yigal Amir. But it isn't that simple. It is much deeper and much more
complex."

What could Dalia Rabin-Pelosoff be referring to? Wasn't this a clear cut
assassination by a single gunman? The evidence is so apparent - there was
even a video film released showing Amir in the moments before the murder,
and as he reached forward and shot the Prime Minister from behind.

Most Israelis remember quite vividly where they were the night of November
4, 1995. Israel's Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin left the stage of a peace
rally outside the Tel Aviv Municipality building, surrounded by secret
service agents. He descended the steps to the "sterile area" where his
limousine was parked. Gunshots rang out, and Rabin's head turned. After
moments of confusion, Rabin was sped away in his car to nearby Ichilov
Hospital, where his death was announced hours later.

A lone gunman, Yigal Amir, was arrested and later convicted of the murder.
But the circumstances at the scene of the crime, and at the hospital
afterwards, left many unanswered questions.

One of the first to raise the questions was author, Barry Chamish. In his
book, Who Murdered Itzhak Rabin? Chamish offers the proof, or in many cases
the lack of proof, to support his theories. The principle behind the book
is simple - Yigal Amir was a patsy for a much more complex successful
assassination.

Let me give you but one example of the theory that Chamish is supporting.
There is no doubt that Rabin was spirited away from the Tel Aviv
municipality in his limousine. Wouldn't this car, after what had happened,
been prime evidence for the 

[CTRL] [1] AVISHAI RAVIV:

1999-01-16 Thread Kris Millegan

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Om
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Andrew,

I hope this is they guy you were looking for.

Aleeta


THE "PROVOCATEUR" AND HIS COLLABORATORS...
by Yisrael Medad


The recently released Shamgar Commission’s secret section details the
negligence of the electronic media as a contributory factor to Raviv’s
"success".

The report blames specifically the television for being engaged, in part, in
the creation of a virtual reality of a right-wing "incitement campaign".

"Eyal", the report states, referring to Avishai Raviv’s fictitious skeleton
crew, "existed for all intents only in Raviv’s pronouncements and via the
coverage provided him by the television".

The electronic media failed. The public were cheated of the truth.

The commission directly addressed one unique instance when TV’s Channel One
broadcast a "swearing-in ceremony" in September 1995. In the fourth section
of chapter four, on page 28, a clear charge of guilt is made when the
commission’s members write:
"...all during that time, [Raviv] continued his connections with the media
in order to portray Eyal as an existing group and achieved the collaboration
of the television when it broadcast a swearing-in ceremony, that was
actually a staged event, and anyone who was present should have been aware
that it was nothing but a staged affair".

Staged Eyal swearing-in ceremony by GSS agent provocateur Avishai Raviv.
Pictures published in newspaper Makor Rishon 31.10.97 (Many Thanks).

Media consumers, we now know, were, to a large degree, fed misinformation.
Raviv sought coverage that would justify himself in his eyes and those of
his General Security Services handlers.

The media were interested in the situation because it was good film footage.
Each exploited each other. But someone of responsibility in the GSS, and
ultimately, someone in the political overview echelon, let developments get
out of hand.

Raviv was permitted by his handlers to move fringe actions, in themselves
initiated by Raviv, to center stage by titillating reporters and cameramen
with material they could not pass up.

Raviv was shown instructing teenagers in the art of urban guerrilla warfare;
Planning an armed break-in to the Orient House;
Patrolling, in a violent fashion, the alleyways of Hebron.
Praising Barukh Goldstein for murduring arabs worshipers in Hebron.
GSS Agent provocteur Avishai Raviv praising Barukh Goldstein near
Goldstein's tomb in Kiryat Arba-Hebron with a fellow disguised in orthodox
Jew: " We are not sorry, of course, that arabs died".
Thanks to Makor Rishon, 31.10.97 for the picture.

No one, though, thought to take a deeper look and focus their lenses on
Raviv himself.

His initial taking the credit for the killing of an Arab in Halhul early in
September 1995 was widely reported.
So, too, was the supposed links with the Hamas.
Recalled into service in 1993, he was ordered him to paint anti-peace
process slogans on walls.
Raviv called for Rabin’s death while being paid by the government.
Secret service (GSS) agent provocateur Avishai Raviv photographed (before
the assassination of Yisthak Rabin za"l) with a T-shirt "No rest for
traitors" upon a picture of Yisthak Rabin !! Thanks to the newspaper
Hatsofe, 14.11.1997.

Somehow, the media accepted his actions as "normal" or as understandably
representative of the Right.

The media cannot now avoid its own need to undergo a process of accounting.
The media surrendered its professional duties to get a story which fitted a
certain mold it felt comfortable with. That mold was retold by the Michael
Karpin propaganda film produced for the "We Shall Not Forget" society which
highlighted the incitement campaign while conveniently ignoring Raviv. And
that mold, one can suspect, was fed by personal ideological persuasions of
media persons.

Not one investigative reporter or program producer was intrigued enough to
go after Raviv. Even after Israel’s Media Watch filed a criminal complaint
against the Israel Broadcasting Authority for transmitting that "swearing-in
ceremony", we as well as the subject were treated with disdain. What the
late Law Faculty Dean of Tel Aviv University and the former President of the
Supreme Court considered a staged event, was presumed an aberration.

We, media consumers, are owed an apology. Our right to know was harnessed to
an out of focus approach by many media persons. The time has come to clear
up matters if they are to fully regain our trust as commentators of the
political scene.

Yisrael Medad is director of Israel’s Media Watch





Israel's Media Watch is a non-partisan advocacy group concerned 

Re: [CTRL] Occult / Intelligence [repost]

1999-01-16 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Verrry interesting... A little bird is whispering in my ear, "Ira Einhorn,
Ira Einhorn..." Ira the con-man would fit right in with this scenario,
wouldn't he?

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 In a message dated 97-06-10 16:49:23 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Acacia
 Press, Inc.) writes:

 IF you approach it from the perspective of 'control' it makes a lot of
 sense for intellegence services to be interested in the occult.
 
 Intelligence services are always looking for ways to influence and
 control
 people/populations. Pathways for social control and manipulation include
 the media, drugs, and cultural/social institutions.


 Excellent observations on the subject from a different angle, very
 relevant
 here.

 There are abundant examples of exactly this kind of relationship between
 the
 CIA and "occultism" or "mysticism" from the mid-70s, when (from what I'd
 observed when this was a subject of great concern to me) our intelligence
 agencies apparently launched upon a whole program of studying,
 infiltrating
 and co-opting authoritarian "cult" structures as avenues of COLLECTIVE
 rather
 than individual "mind control."  snipped...but saved...

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 Summer 1999 Documents
 February to June 1999 Documents

 October to February 1999 Documents
 Documents
  Summer 1999

11/11/99 The Destruction of the Maon Farm: Eyewitness Reports and Public
Reactions...more

11/10/99 Secret Israeli Army Report Says Arafat Has Agreement With Hamas
Permitting Terror...more

11/09/99 Reactions to The Netanya Bombing...more

11/04/99 Exclusive Backgrounder on Controversial Supreme Court Justice in
Israeli Scandal..more

10/27/99 The Silence of the Israeli Leftmore

10/26/99 Senior Arafat Aide Again Endorses “Armed Struggle”...more

10/19/99 Does Syria's Assad Keep His Word?...more

10/13/99 Syria Exhibition Glorifies War With Israel...more

10/01/99 Hitler's Mein Kampf in East Jerusalem and the Palestinian Authority
Territories...more

09/19/99 Dialing for Justice: L.A. Teen Seeks Justice for L.A. Girl Murdered
in Jerusalem Bombing...more

09/16/99 U.S. and European Union Letters To Arafat After Sharm el-Sheikh
Agreement...more

09/07/99 The Sharm el-Sheikh Memorandum on Implementation Timeline of
Outstanding Commitments of Agreements Signed and the Resumption of Permanent
Status Negotiations...more

09/05/99 Whose Jerusalem is it?... more

09/03/99 Letter of Protest Over Jordan Sheltering Terrorists...more

08/31/99 Although everyone in the country hears about the Wye agreement
withdrawals daily, a majority of the population would probably be hard
pressed to answer a few simple questions about them...more

08/26/99 Israel Airlifts Aid to Turkey
 Earthquake Victims...more

08/25/99 Pro-Israel Groups Hail Burger King for Standing Firm Against Arab
Pressure...more

08/24/99 Newspaper Close to Arafat Praises Usaman Bin Laden...more

08/20/99 Israel-Syrian Negotiations Part II: Syrian and Israeli
Strategies...more

08/19/99 Israel-Syrian Negotiations Part I: From Hope to Impasse...more

08/17/99 Even Israel’s Most Outspoken Leftwing Extremist Opposes ‘Right of
Return’ to Pre-1967 Israelmore

08/13/99 Palestinian Arab Human Rights Workers Arrested by Arafat’s
Police...more

08/09/99 Erratic Behavior of Syrian Defense Minister Raises Questions About
Assad Government...more

08/05/99 Textbooks in Official Palestinian Authority Schools Preach Hatred
of Jews and Israel...more

08/03/99 Another Victim of the 1929 Hebron Pogrom Remembers...more

08/01/99 Interview with Rabbi Dov Cohen,  Survivor of the 1929 Slaughter in
Hebron...more

07/30/99Backgrounder: Statements by Abu Ala (Ahmed Qurie), the PA Leader Who
Visited the Knesset This Week...more

07/28/99 Two New Congressional Bills Would Compel the U.S. Government to
Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital...more

07/27/99 New Legislation to Move the American Embassy to Jerusalem...more

07/26/99 Congressman Forbes’ Legislation to Rid Lebanon of Syrian
Occupation...more

07/21/99 Statements by MK Hashem Mahamid, the First Arab Member the Knesset
Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee...more

07/13/99  "Palestine at a Crossroad":Three Days of Soul-Searching in the
Palestinian Authority...more

07/12/99 Backgrounder: U.N. Resolution 242 does not Require Full
Withdrawal...more

07/09/99 Uzi Landau: Israeli Army not seriously addressing new
Threats...more

07/02/99 Special Report: Jordan Draws Closer to Iraq, Prefers Saddam’s Oil
Over Saudis’...more

07/01/99 Special Report: Pro-Israel Activists from Around the Country Lobby
Congress on Terror Victims, Jerusalem...more

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 October to February 1999 Documents
 Documents
  February, through June 1999

07/09/99 Uzi Landau: Israeli Army Not Seriously Addressing New
Threats...more

07/07/99 Shimon Peres: Syria Grossly Violated Geneva Convention...more

06/29/99 ZOA Challenges Gephardt on Appointment of Terror Supporter to
Commission on Terrorism...more

06/28/99 The Palestinian Authority’s View of the Controversy Over American
Victims of Palestinian Terrorism...more

06/25/99 Shas Leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef Says He Will Oppose Dismantling
Settlements...more

06/23/99 Details on the Imprisoned Iranian Jews and how to Protest their
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[CTRL] James Hewitt's Love and War

1999-01-16 Thread Kris Millegan

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"Love and War" by Captain James Hewitt.  Blake Publishing Co., 1999.

This very readable account of Hewitt's years as Diana's lover,
of his experiences, as a tank-squadron leader in the thick of the Gulf
War, and of the remarkable events which followed his being "made
redundant" from the army, leaves the reader at a loss to understand
(until he reaches the later chapters) why Hewitt became the object of a
campaign of vilification and persecution, by elements of the media and
other agencies, which continues to this day.

And even then, it is left up to the reader to consider the facts
and draw his own conclusions.  From the very beginning of his story, the
author exhibits the restraint and decorum which one would expect from
an, albeit young and amorous, officer of the Life Guards and the heir of
an old, county family.  He recalls, for example, that, five years before
he met Diana, in August 1981, when he was in Cyprus with the Guards
Division Parachute Display Team, and the Royal Yacht Brittannia, with
honeymoon-couple Charles and Diana on board, was lying at anchor off the
island, not far from the military-base, he sent a signal to the yacht,
inviting their Royal Highnesses to dinner at the regimental mess.  There
had been no reply.  Told of this later, Diana said that she "would have
loved to come, but Charles never mentioned any invitation".  Hewitt,
very charitably, opines, "I doubted if he had ever seen it:  probably
the signals officer on Brittannia just binned it - also I was secretly
relieved I didn't have to pay for the meal [...] it would have been
embarrassing to have my credit card thrown back at me."

Later, with understandably less charity but no less restraint,
he describes how, after five years as Acting Major, and after having
been told that he would not have to sit a formal examination for
confirmation of this rank, he was asked, in the autumn of 1991, to sit
the standard, three, written papers, each of which he "failed by 1%" -
even the main paper, on battle-tactics, in which, tried and not found
wanting, in Operation Desert Storm (Hewitt was "mentioned in dispatches"
from the Gulf) he was an acknowledged expert.  Hewitt says:
"But I knew my card had been marked quite some time previously;
I was not so naive as to think that the authorities didn't discuss my
situation with regard to the heir to the throne."

This is not to say that Hewitt's liaison with Diana had been
frowned upon, per se, by "the authorities"; he writes:
"I doubt if my friendship with Diana was just a happy accident -
perhaps I was set up, and Mannakee was removed, because it was
unacceptable for the Princess of Wales to be conducting an affair with a
Sergeant of the Royal Protection Squad."
Regarding the manner in which Barry Mannakee "was removed",
Hewitt says, of his death, "It was as a passenger in a motorcycle
accident - not an easy murder to stage, although not an impossible one."
And he quotes Diana: "They killed him, I'm certain they killed him [...]
MI5, people in the Palace, somebody who wanted him out of the way."
Hewitt goes on:
"So somebody had to be found, not to become her lover, but a
male friend who would lift her spirits and help her confidence in the
absence of a caring husband."
We could wonder how, in this instance, the term "lover", should
be defined.  Surely Hewitt does not believe that "the authorities" chose
him - a young buck, already well known for his sexual adventures -
rather than a much older man, or a woman, to play the role of a "friend"
who would not "become her lover"!
I take this as another example of Hewitt's typically restrained
treatment; but he seems rather more convinced, that his affair with
Diana was planned by others, than is implied by "I doubt if my
friendship with Diana was just a happy accident"; for he also says,
"She [Diana] later told me that the drinks-party at Hazel West's
house [where D+H met, socially, for the first time, in 1986] had been
held with the express intent of enabling her to meet me."
" - Buckingham Palace is a place of long corridors and quiet
whispers [...] there was no straightforward chain of command [...]," but
"Hazel West would not have played the role that she did without the
tacit approval of those above her."
"So the whole plan of providing a companion for the Princess
nearly worked perfectly [...] only one thing went wrong - we fell in
love."

I was surprised to find no hint, in this book, of the allegation
which Hewitt made, for 

[CTRL] Swiss send Tomlinson back to Germany

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Swiss send runaway MI6
agent back to Germany
==

Richard Norton-Taylor
Thursday November 4, 1999
The Guardian
www.newsunlimited.co.uk


Richard Tomlinson, the renegade former MI6 officer, was arrested
this week on the Swiss border and after questioning by police was
sent back to Germany where now lives, it was disclosed last
night.

Mr Tomlinson was expelled from Switzerland in June after MI6
suspected he was responsible for placing the names of over 100 of
its former and serving agents on the internet.

"Late on Monday morning he wanted to travel from Konstanz (in
Germany) to Kreuzlingen (in Switzerland), was recognised by
border police, arrested and handed over to federal police for
interrogation," a police spokesman for the Swiss Thurgau region
said yesterday. It was the first official confirmation that Mr
Tomlinson, 36, is living in Germany.

Juerg Buehler, deputy head of Switzerland's federal police said
Mr Tomlinson, who was driving to Geneva to see his lawyer about
an appeal against the Swiss ban, claimed he had obtained a
suspension of the banning order but had left the relevant
document at home.

He risks arrest and further charges under the official secrets
act if he returns to Britain, where he was jailed for six months
in 1997 after he showed the synopsis of a book on his career to
an Australian publisher. During his four-year career as a British
agent, he served in Moscow and Bosnia.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 1999
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.tripod.com/american_almanac/defsys.htm/A

Extract from:

"Defense Systems Ltd.: Crown Jewel"

By Dean Andromidas
Printed in The Executive Intelligence Review, August 22, 1997.


Since its founding, DSL has also been closely linked to another
City of London ``private'' security conglomerate, Control Risk,
founded in 1974 to provide risk analysis for Lloyds of London.
Control Risk draws its personal and directors from the same
high-level British military and intelligence ranks as DSL. Its
managing director is former SAS Maj. Arish Turle. Its board of
directors has included Gen. Sir John Stanier, former Commander in
Chief of U.K. Land Forces and Aide-de-Camp General to the Queen;
and Lord Soames, former leader of the House of Lords, senior Tory
politician, and the son-in-law of the late Winston Churchill.

_

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About us

Control Risks is the leading, specialist, international business
risk consultancy. It offers a full range of value-added services to
companies, governments and private clients worldwide. Services
covered include political and security risk solutions, confidential
investigations, security consultancy and crisis management and
response. Since its foundation in 1975, Control Risks has worked
with more than 3,500 clients in over 130 countries.

Our approach is multidisciplinary. Our team of staff comes from a
wide variety of backgrounds, including business, law, accountancy,
the diplomatic service, the military, law enforcement and
journalism.


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A brief history

 Control Risks has been providing advice and consultancy to
international clients since its foundation in 1975 as a subsidiary
of the Hogg Robinson insurance and travel group. Control Risks
constantly strives to be innovative and remain at the leading edge.
The company was the first to provide advice to business clients
involved in kidnap situations and since 1975 has advised in over
1,000 kidnap and extortion situations in 80 countries, more than
any other private sector company. In 1980-81, five members of the
management team negotiated a management buy out of the company.
This established Control Risks as an independent private company
enabling it to give impartial and objective advice to the advantage
of its clients. In 1995, Control Risks established an investigative
division which has become one of the leading global suppliers of
such services to business. Employees remain the majority of the
shareholders in the company. Control Risks has grown to a company
of over 220 employees with a turnover of £20 million ($30 million)
with 14 offices worldwide.


New recruits!
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London, 1 June 1999

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ess.htm/A

Former commander UN Protection Force
Bosnia-Herzegovina to join Control Risks Group


General Sir Michael Rose, 59, has had an illustrious career in the
Forces. His achievements include periods with the Gloucestershire
Regiment, the Coldstream Guards, the Special Air Service including
Commander of 22 Special Air Service, Commandant of the Staff
College, Camberley, Commander of the UK Field Army, United Kingdom
Land Forces and Inspector General Territorial Army. In 1994 he took
command of the UN Protection Force Bosnia-Herzegovina. He has
served in the Falklands, Northern Ireland, the Gulf, Germany and
Malaysia.

He was appointed OBE in 1976, CBE in 1986 and KCB in 1994. He was
awarded the QCM in 1981 and the DSO in 1995. He was appointed ADC
to Her Majesty the Queen in September 1995 and was made Commandeur
in the Legion d'Honneur by President Chirac in October 1995. He was
educated at Cheltenham College, the Sorbonne and Oxford.


Former Shell Vice President to join Control Risks Group

London, 12 April 1999

Roger Rainbow is joining Control Risks Group, the international
business risk consultancy, as their Strategic Planning Advisor. He
was until recently Vice President, Global Business Environment at
Shell International Limited. Roger's post will include advising
corporate clients on reputational risks and other crisis scenarios.

Roger Rainbow joined Shell in 1970 after studying at Oxford
University and the London Business School. After various
international postings he joined Group Planning in 1990 as Head of
Energy. In 1993 he was appointed Head 

[CTRL] Chief Dan's Message

1999-01-16 Thread earthman

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Spiritual Piglet
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- Original Message -
From: Karen Revell
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 9:33 PM
Subject: Chief Dan's Message


I'm not sure who I'm writing this to, but I would like you to take heart,
and know that we will fight the government right here in Seattle the week
after Thanksgiving.  People from all over the world are coming to fight the
World Trade Organization.  It is an organization I wasn't even aware of
until a month ago.  They want global power over us all.  Many thousands of
people are coming to Seattle to fight for our peace and global freedom.
They will fight by laying in the streets in front of police loaded with riot
gear and more.  They will fight with their prayers and their songs, and I
hope they will fight with the prayers of the world focused on them.

Don't give up, the Great Spirit is about to arrive to help us all.  If you
want to know about the WTO and the protests that are planned, go to
www.peopleforfairtrade.com or www.SeattleWTO.com

These will give you other links if you are interested.

Karen Revell,
Seattle, WA

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We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
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[CTRL] (1) Austin's Yogurt Shop Murders: Conspiracy?

1999-01-16 Thread Mack White

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From the AntiShyster website:

The Bar, Insurance Fraud and Murder

by Erik Moebius

Editor's Note:  This next article is an amalgam of comments made on a radio
program (the "Christian-Patriot Connection", KPBC-770 AM, Dallas, Texas in
which I and Michael Ellis interviewed
attorneys Erik Moebius, David Parker, and Nick Milum) and a 207-page
article written by Erik Moebius.
The complete text of the radio interview and Mr. Moebius' article can be
read or downloaded from the
"News" sub-section from the AntiShyster Internet website located at
"www.antishyster.com".  Although
I've edited and reorganized this article, Mr. Moebius is the principal
source of virtually all of the
comments and is therefore credited as its author.

Erik Moebius has been a lawyer for fifteen years and served for five years
as a Texas Assistant AttorneyGeneral.  The man is credible; his story is
too fantastic to be fictional.  Although I believe his allegations are
essentially true, I don't know them to be precisely accurate.  Therefore,
this article is presented only to provide the reader with an opportunity to
consider Mr. Moebius' extraordinary public allegations.  However, as
another journalist pointed out, if just 10% of Mr. Moebius' allegations are
true, they deserve a very serious investigation.  In fact, if all of his
allegations are true, they will cause a fire storm of public anger,
investigation, criminal indictments, and perhaps a massive reform of the
courts and insurance industry.  Mr. Moebius' allegations are complex.  Read
them anyway-they are important.  I guarantee this article offers some
unimaginably chilling insights imaginable into the underbelly of our legal
system and the insurance business.

According to Mr. Moebius, "reserve fraud" depends on several elements:

1. Unlike conventional insurance companies, mutual insurance companies have
policy-holders but no public stockholders.  Therefore, mutual insurance
companies are not subject to the rules, oversight, or investigations of the
U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

2. When an injured party files a claim against a mutual insurance company,
the amount of money that might be paid on the claim is removed from the
insurance company's profit account and placed in their "reserve account"
until the claim is settled.  At any given time, a reserve account can
contain millions of dollars.  If the money is paid to the
claimant, it is deducted from the reserve account as an untaxed business
expense.  If the claim is denied, the money is taken from the reserve
account and restored to the profit account.

3. At the end of the year,  mutual insurance companies pays taxes on
whatever money is left in their profit accounts, and return the balance to
their policy holders in the form of reduced premiums or cash rebates.
Although a particular company may have generated millions of dollars in
profits, those  profits are not generally available to the
company's owners and executives.  Being denied easy access to millions of
dollars in profits can make some owners and executives jealous, frustrated,
and greedy.

4. Money paid out for insurance claims is reported as legitimate business
deductions by insurance companies to State and federal taxing authorities.
However, because money won in court is not taxable -- there is also no tax
reporting requirement for the recipient of those funds.  A criminal
opportunity is created because insurance money paid out is reported but
insurance money received is not reported, and because there is minimum
public oversight for mutual insurance companies.

Mr. Moebius alleges that coalitions of lawyers, judges, and mutual
insurance company executives have devised a scheme to extort enormous sums
of money from the insurance company "reserve funds" by (1) finding-or
causing-catastrophic accidents (often involving the deaths of children);
(2) "separating" the plaintiffs from their legitimate claim against the
mutual insurance company,; and (3) secretly processing the claim and
dividing the proceeds among the conspirators without paying one dime to the
legitimate plaintiff.  The "genius" of this reserve fraud scheme is that
just one or two catastrophic accidents per year are enough to extort tens
of millions of dollars that should legally go to the IRS as taxes and the
policy-holders as rebates.  Further, if enough money is extorted, the
insurance company may be able to report a loss for the year and justify
raising its insurance premiums and thereby generating an even larger sum of
money to be extorted in the next year.

Since Mr. Moebius started making these allegations, the State Bar of Texas
has reportedly tried to disbar him twelve times.  Failing to disbar him, a
judge has recently "enjoined" him from practicing law (he's still licensed,
but can't practice law without being jailed for contempt).  He has been
fined $175,000 -- nine times more than any other attorney he can find --
for attempting to 

[CTRL] BERLIN: Records of children

1999-01-16 Thread earthman

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http://www.news.com.au/news_content/world_content/4166653.htm

BERLIN: Records of children born under a Nazi project to breed a German
master race will be opened to the children now trying to track down their
roots, a spokesman from the federal archives said today.

Under the breeding program known as Lebensborn, or Fount of Life, women
deemed by the Nazis to fit the ideals of the German race were mated with
selected men to "bear a child for the Fuehrer." The mating places were
officially disguised as maternity homes.







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[CTRL] AREA 51: Emerging Technologies for Global Governance

1999-01-16 Thread earthman

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  (sent to USCMike1's 34,943+ readers - Please repost to your own
mailing lists
  and newsgroups
  Dear Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al:
  Norio Hayakawa is presenting four separate seminars in California
  beginning this evening in Garden Grove. He will be revealing top High
Tech
  surveillance secrets that the feds, military, and New World Order
elites will
  be using (and currently are at the present time) against us
Constitutional
  Patriots to monitor, spy upon, harrass, and track our every moves in
Big
  Brother style.
  Norio promises to delight his unsuspecting audience tonight in Garden
  Grove and tomorrow nite in Tarzana with a special infamous and
notorious
  SURPRISE guest speaker (for the first ten minutes ONLY) so don't BE
LATE!!!
  This guest speaker will teach the Patriot audience how to drop an
attacker
  dead cold within five seconds (even if you, the victim, is in the
process of
  being raped) and will demonstrate and make available a special lethal
  microwave frequency energy detector to warn you if you are being
irradiated
  with "fry-you-in-your-shoes" intensity microwaves based on the HAARP
machine
  and Operation Blue Beam.
  Don't EVEN dare THINK of missing this extremely important seminar!
  Please DEFINITELY ATTEND!
  Thanks, USCMike1  to subscribe email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Here are the details below:
  Subj: AREA 51: Emerging Technologies for Global Governance
  Date: 10/30/99 7:11:56 AM Pacific Standard Time
  From: A HREF="mailto:GroomWatch"GroomWatch/A
  This is to inform you that I, Norio Hayakawa, will be speaking on the
topic:
  "Groom Lake/AREA 51 and the Emerging Technologies for Global
Governance"
on
  November 17, 18 and 21 in three cities in California: (all open to
  the public)
  Wednesday, November 17, 1999 7 P.M. for
  Orange County Freedom Forum
  c/o Women's Civic Club
  9501 Chapman Ave.
  Garden Grove, California (at Gilbert and Chapman) (Tel. 714/703-2417)
  Admission: $4.00
  Thursday, November 18, 1999 7 P.M. at
  The GRANADA FORUM
  c/o St. Innocent Orthodox Church
  5657 Lindley Ave.
  Tarzana, California (tel. 818/385-4003)
  Admission: $5.00
  Sunday, November 21, 1999 1 P.M. for
  Northern California MUFON
  c/o Divine Science Community Center
  1540 Hicks Ave.
  San Jose, California
  Admission: $3.00
  (Directions: Take 280 Freeway to the Meridian Ave. exit (one mile
east of
  Interstate 880). Take Meridian south to Minnesota, turn left and then
turn
  right at Hicks Ave. The building will be on your left)
  Sunday, January 16, 2000 6 p.m. for
  San Diego MUFON
  c/o Carrows Restaurant
  9152 Mira Mesa Blvd.
  San Diego, Calif.
  As former director of a loosely-knit network called the Civilian
  Intelligence Network (presently with the Citizens' Watchdog Group on
  Government Oversight), I have been speaking on the goings-on of Groom
Lake
  (a.k.a. AREA 51) complexes in Nevada for the past nine years.
  In my new presentation, as a Christian and a Patriot, I will talk
about the
  Emerging Technologies allegedly being developed at AREA 51, which I
  hypothesize, may be manipulated to bring the world towards a form of
Global
  Governance.
  I will talk about the Electrochromatic Panels allegedly being tested
at AREA
  51.
  I will talk about the latest developments in Unmanned Aerial Vehicles
  (UAVs..remotely-controlled surveillance and delivery platforms).
  I will attempt to, once and for all, prove to the public that AREA 51
and
  its operations have not been relocated elsewhere (despite recent
unfounded
  rumors), but on the contrary, that activities at the base are
constant, if
  not increasing.
  I will attempt to show, through colorful visuals, how these amazing
  technologies will be manipulated by global elitists to create Martial
Law in
  the very near future.
  ELECTROCHROMATIC PANELS being tested at Groom Lake/AREA 51?
  a short commentary by Norio Hayakawa:
  ELECTROCHROMATIC PANELS:
  It is allegedly hypothesized that there are quite a number of new
  technologies
  being researched, developed and tested at various leading-edge defense
  contractor facilities, for example, at Groom Lake/AREA 51's highly
  compartmentalized, multi-faceted conglomerate complexes.
  Besides a new generation of VTOL-based UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles
-
  remotely-controlled surveillance platforms, some of which may be
  disk-shaped),
  it is reported that there are ongoing development and testing of
  electrochromatic panels as part of innovations relevant to
"daytime-stealth"
  capabilities.
  The electrochromatic panels are said to be comprised of thousands of
tiny
  sensors that function as video-cameras that take images of background
  scenaries, transferring them to the other panels on the other side of
the
  aircraft. This gives the illusion that the aircraft is almost
transparent.
  What the ground observer sees is whatever background images behind
(or above)
  the body of the aircraft that are transposed to the 

[CTRL] THE COMING GLOBAL SUPERSTORM

1999-01-16 Thread earthman

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What a team eh?

Peter

PREVIEW OF "THE COMING GLOBAL SUPERSTORM"

The new book co-written by radio superstar Art Bell and bestselling
author
Whitley Strieber will be in bookstores by early December, and it's sure
to
make waves. CNI News has an advance copy. "The Coming Global
Superstorm"
(Pocket Books) is extremely well written, compelling and disturbing.
Details
in our next issue.



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[CTRL] Masonic Beliefs and Practices

1999-01-16 Thread earthman

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Masonic Beliefs and Practices  http://home.fireplug.net/~rshand/streams
/masons/mrituals.html
be careful!!  these images could be triggering if you have been
programmed and
http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/netmason.html  from http://www.dccsa.com/
greatjoy/

What on earth is going on at Denver International Airport ?
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/

http://www.sevenseals.com/fileseven.html by David Koresh
http://www.waco93.com/   Waco: The Rules of Engagement

http://www.1underground.com/Features/heavensgate3.shtml  Heavens Gate
and the
CIA is here:   http://www.1underground.com/Features/heavensgate8.shtml




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Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)

1999-01-16 Thread JAH Publications



Dear Eagle 1,

I sincerely hope you are well and are now at peace 
after your recent tirade. I hope you are feeling much better now. As I cannot 
speak for others on this planet, then I have used the word I again. But I hope 
that others wish you the same, as well.

You wrote at the end of your letter:-


" PS - Just for the 
record.. You do not have the right or the privilege, or my permission to 
use anything I've said in this email either public or private anywhere else on 
or off the internet. IF you so choose to do so, I will persue the 
legal aspect of internet law against you. eagle 1 " 


Then you posted it YOURSELF to the CTRL list, which 
proves that not only do you not know what you are talking about, like Penny, 
bless her, for at least admitting it in her letter about Nikola Tesla and Jack 
Nicholas, but it seems, from your actions, that you don't even know what you are 
DOING. You don't want your words made public (are you ashamed of them?) and so 
you send them yourself to the CTRL list? Is that what you consider 
logical?

If you do live only by God's Laws, as you claim, 
why are you threatening me with internet law? Could it be that you are trying to 
intimidate me with threats because you can't win any other way, so that you can 
have the last word? By the way, free-will, is, for your information, one of 
God's Laws and there are no other laws on this planet that are Lawful. 


I don't think that anything else needs to be said 
on the subject. Your words and actions speak for themselves far more than 
anything I might say, which would probably only provoke another tirade or legal 
action. Really; legal action; whatever next? Seems to me you're a bad loser. If 
you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out. I didn't attack you. You started 
ALL of this.

The following short quotation; from The Bible Book of 
Moses (the fifth Book in The Bible) called Deuteronomy; is NOT 
to proselytise, as I have been accused of trying to 
do, but merely to answer your question in which you challenged 
me to show you where God calls The Ark of The Covenant His 
WITNESS against His people. I quote your own 
words:- 
LOL 
A witness against His people? WHO and 
WHERE is it said that GOD NEEDS A WITNESS AGAINST HIS PEOPLE? 
LOL JAH, Really! Gimme a break. 


Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this Book of The Law, and put it in 
the side of The Ark of The Covenant of the "I AM" your God, 
that it may be there for a WITNESS against 
thee.
31:27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff 
neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been 
rebellious against the "I AM"; and how much more 
after my death?
31:28 Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I 
may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record 
against them.
31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt 
[yourselves], and turn aside from The Way 
which I have commanded you; and evil will 
befall you in the latter days; because 
ye will do evil in the sight of the "I AM", to provoke 
Him to anger through the work of your hands.
31:30 And Moses spoke in the ears of all the congregation of 
Israel the Words of this "Song" (Covenant), until they were ended.
32:1 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the Words 
from my mouth.
I have also been unfairly accused 
of dealing with issues that are not associated with the 
Conspiracy, which is also not true. This issue 
is the very CENTRE of the Conspiracy to 
destroy God's People Israel - the British and the Americans and their 
traditional allies. 

Only by recovering The Ark and 
returning to ONLY God's Laws can we destroy all the false 
legislation that the Conspirators have passed to enable themselves to rip 
everyone off and make themselves the rulers of the New World Order. I can go 
into much more detail, if required, but I don't want to be accused of forcing my 
beliefs on others. However, I can assure you all that recovering The Ark is the 
ONLY way to enlist the help of The Force of Light, to help us 
defeat the forces of darkness that are behind the NWO. Their false 
religious teachings (including about Xmass) are part of that 
Conspiracy to deceive; rob; mislead and corrupt the people and 
lead you away from The Light into slavery. The Force - (God) has commanded me to 
tell you this and to enlist your suport and show you how to save 
yourselves.

That is why I joined this 
very list, because it is dedicated, or is supposed to 
be dedicated, to revealing and defeating the Conspiracy. That 
is also why I (sorry for using the word I again) have done my best 
to get you all to help me (sorry I used the word me again and oops that 
word I crept in again too) to recover The Ark and defeat the 
Conspirators. I didn't realise that all you wanted to do was 
talk about it, whilst letting the Conspirators 
succeed in destroying you. Perhaps I joined the wrong list? 
Does anyone know of a real anti-conspiracy list? If so 

[CTRL] Corsican Separatists Jailed in Rare Trial

1999-01-16 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Corsican Separatists Jailed in Rare Trial

PARIS, Nov 18 (Reuters) - A French anti-terrorist court on Thursday
sentenced three Corsican separatists to jail terms ranging from two to five
years in connection with a failed bomb attack on a public building on the
Mediterranean island.

The trial was only the second involving Corsican guerrillas since the court
was set up 13 years ago, although separatists have carried out hundreds of
bombings in Corsica during the period.

It came one day after a special Senate report slammed the justice system's
inefficiency in Corsica and said its record in solving robberies and
terrorist attacks was "catastrophic."

Didier Martinetti and Antoine Salasca got five years for their part in the
abortive attack three years ago, which was foiled by a police patrol. For
lack of evidence, they were cleared of bombing another public building the
same day.

Guy Poggi was sentenced to two years in jail with another year suspended for
possessing explosives and belonging to an armed group.

The court was created after a wave of bomb attacks connected with the Middle
East rocked France. It is made up only of professional magistrates in order
to avoid any attempt to intimidate jurors.

The Senate and National Assembly both issued reports this week that accused
security forces of inefficiency and denounced rivalries among anti-terrorism
magistrates, saying they had repeatedly failed to bring cases against
suspects.

Copyright 1999 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1

1999-01-16 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 991118a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* Please DO NOT include the entire bulletin when you reply; Cut/Paste, eh?
* No prehistoric felines were captured during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Doodie. Oh my. http://www.doodie.com/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Astronomers scan skies for meteors. (AP) Waves of fireballs lit the skies
  like lightning over the sands of Arabia as the much-heralded Leonid meteor
  shower swelled into the heaviest storm of shooting stars in 33 years. All
  around the world, astronomers and amateur stargazers stared upward from
  dark fields, beaches and mountaintops. The storm, which could be the most
  intense for decades to come, was probably the most studied in history. See
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562126837-fb2
# Also: Technology boosts meteor sightings, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562123521-f4e

: Did you see'em or were you clouded in like me? After all I've done for the
ETs, shouldn't they have lifted the veils so I could see the lights? bzzzt

# Suspected Meteor Damage And Fire In Whitehouse, Tennessee:
  http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/meteorfire.htm
# Hundreds Of UFO Reports In Kentucky/Cincinnati  Eastern US:
  http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/hundreds.htm

# More Arizona Flying Triangles: http://www.caus.org/ft111899.htm
# Green And Blue Fireballs; Yow: http://www.caus.org/mu111899.htm
# Major UFO Event Tuesday Night: http://www.caus.org/cc111899.htm
# Many UFOs Sighted in Western UK: http://www.caus.org/mu111799.htm
# Major UFO Event - Tuesday Night: http://www.caus.org/mu111699b.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Researchers extend lifespan of mice. (AP) The strongest evidence yet that
  aging in mammals is controlled by a genetic switch was found by Italian
  scientists who engineered mice to live longer by boosting their resistance
  to the damage oxygen can do to cells. The mice suffered no apparent side
  effects. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562124011-633

: Do we really want long-lived mice running around? Won't they learn more,
and eventually challenge us for mastery of the planet? Can we build enough
nanobots to rid us of the competition? Suppose the supermice gain control of
the 'bots and turn'em against us - do we deserve that? Suppose they develop
superior culture - d'ya wanna play second fiddle to rodents? D'ya already?

@ Technology, celebrity culture, pop therapies, and all that anxious
  mysticism: American life is even weirder than you ever imagined...
  http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/interviews/ba991103.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Need to hold on to that job in the upcoming high-tech bust cycle? Learn
how to write unmaintainable code. http://mindprod.com/unmain.html Now you
can code just like RMS! And see: http://www.memepool.com/Subject/Computing/

: Is incomprehensible coding a job-security tactic? Was the Y2K bug devised
by COBOL programmers to make sure they stayed eternally employable? Are we
all victims of these aging technocrats? Do you want to kill? Do you dare??

# Y2K fuels fear of flying: http://msnbc.com/news/336245.asp?cp1=1
# U.S. spending $100 bln on Y2K repairs - but merely inconveniencing:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562123855-ae9
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Beast of Bodmin evades RAF cameras - BIG CAT mystery still unsolved. (BBC)
  Hi-tech efforts to capture the legendary Beast of Bodmin on film have come
  a cropper due to bad weather on the Cornish moor. RAF reserve volunteers
  spent Saturday night camped in ditches and under hedges with the latest
  military night-vision equipment. Scuppered by low cloud and mist - see
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_519000/519700.stm

# ALSO - HI-tech search for Beast of Bodmin:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_518000/518673.stm
# Puma hunters target Wales:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_424000/424028.stm
# Hunters try to bag Dartmoor lion:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_218000/218650.stm
# Home Counties puma alert:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_181000/181241.stm
# 'Beast of Bodmin' captured on video:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_136000/136546.stm

: Have you released any large felines in Britain lately? Did your ET masters
force you? Did the military release the big cats for training purposes? Ya??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

@ Betrayal trauma: Traumatic amnesia as an adaptive response to
  childhood abuse. http://dynamic.uoregon.edu/~jjf/trauma.html
@ The recovery of memories in clinical practice:
  http://members.aol.com/smartnews/page/Sample-Issue-28.htm
@ Are you mind-controlled? Are you a mind-controller?
  http://www.parascope.com/cgi-local/psforum.pl/topic=matrixdmark=all
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[CTRL] S.African Govt Defends New Gun Control Plans

1999-01-16 Thread Tatman, Robert

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"Under the bill, which is bound to cause an outcry among the gun lobby, a
person who is a part time hunter or sports shooter may be allowed to own up
to four guns. ... However, someone who simply wants to own a firearm for
self-defence purposes will be limited to one gun and 200 rounds of
ammunition and have to reapply for a licence every two years."
==
S.African Govt Defends New Gun Control Plans

CAPE TOWN, Nov 18 (Reuters) - South Africa's government, facing strong
opposition to a draft law on gun controls approved by the cabinet, stressed
on Thursday the new curbs were to stop criminals and not legal firearms
owners.

Safety and Security Minister Steve Tshwete gave this assurance at a news
conference on the planned new restrictions on gun use in South Africa, where
more than 25,000 murders are committed each year -- half of them with guns.

"This is not an attempt to disarm any sector of our society except for those
who use firearms in the commission of crime or violence," Tshwete told the
news conference following Wednesday's cabinet approval of the draft law.

Police lawyer Louis Kok, who helped draft the bill, said 85 percent or
nearly 75,000 of the violent robberies carried out last year in South
Africa, one of the world's most crime-ridden countries, involved the use of
firearms.

The bill, dogged by controversy during the drafting process, limits
ownership of guns and ammunition, requires regular relicensing, bars people
convicted of violent crimes, creates gun free zones and gives police
sweeping new powers.

South Africa's predominantly white gun lobby argues that the problem lies in
illegal -- not legal -- weapons and has demonstrated strongly against the
bill during its drafting.

"The bill...sends a clear and loud message, that this government has dealt a
decisive blow to violent criminals given that guns are the common
denominator in crimes ranging from rape to domestic violence, hijacking and
robbery," Tshwete said.

Police say there are 3.5 million licensed firearms spread among the
country's 1.9 million licensed gun owners.

However, the police estimate that there are only 500,000 illegal weapons in
the country while pro-gun lobbyists put the figure at close to four million.

GUN OWNERSHIP TO BE LIMITED

In a major change to current practice that is likely to offend civil rights
activists, the bill allows police to fingerprint anyone suspected of being
involved in an offence.

"The current law does not allow fingerprinting to eliminate a suspect," Kok
said, acknowledging that the bill was bound to be challenged in court on
several issues.

"We have made provision in the bill to limit the right to privacy as little
as possible...But we expect the bill to be challenged in the Constitutional
Court," he said.

Under the bill, which is bound to cause an outcry among the gun lobby, a
person who is a part time hunter or sports shooter may be allowed to own up
to four guns.

However, someone who simply wants to own a firearm for self-defence purposes
will be limited to one gun and 200 rounds of ammunition and have to reapply
for a licence every two years.

Professional hunters, sports shooters, people involved in the security
business and collectors will be allowed to own as many guns as they want.

"Weapons used for hunting or sports shooting are not normally used in
crimes," Kok explained.

Jail terms for firearm offences range up to 25 years -- although there is no
minimum -- and the fine for simply failing to store a licensed weapon
properly is 5,000 rand the first time, rising to 15,000 on the second
offence.

Copyright 1999 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


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[CTRL] PSYOPS, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Roadshow of Deception

1999-01-16 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart



The information that follows provides the history of a Roadshow of
Deception. The Roadshow of Deception was used to demonstrate psychological
warfare techniques and strategies to different Whitehouse Administrations.
The Roadshow of Deception was used to convince different presidential
administrations to use psychological warfare techniques on American
citizens.
Four people staged and presented the Roadshow of Deception. They were Nelson
Rockefeller, Hadley Cantril, Gerard B. Lambert, and Adlebert Ames. However,
there were many other men involved in developing the psychological warfare
techniques; putting together the communication apparatus to apply those
techniques; and effectively coordinating the psychological operations
(PSYOPS) used to manipulate the American public and people in other nations.
Many of the men worked in United States intelligence agencies and the US
Department of State. Many of the men worked in the British Secret Service
and the British State Department. The Americans belonged to a group called
the Council on Foreign Relations; the British to a group called the Royal
Institute of International Affairs.

The Council on Foreign Relations and the Royal Institute of International
Affairs were formally founded in 1919. The Council on Foreign Relations and
Royal Institute of International Affairs continue to effectively coordinate
psychological operations used to manipulate the American public and people
in other nations. The Council On Foreign Relations headquarters is the Pratt
House, 58 E. 68th Street, NY, NY, 10021. England's Royal Institute of
International Affairs headquarters is Chatham House, 10 St. James' Square,
London, SW1Y 4LE, UK. The Council on Foreign Relations and the Royal
Institute of International Affairs have branch organizations in other
nations including Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, India,
France, China, Japan, Netherlands, and the Soviet Union.1

Few Americans have heard of the Council on Foreign Relations. The Council
grew out of a secret society funded by money left by Cecil Rhodes. Rhodes
was a racist, a sexist, a white supremacist, and an imperialist. Lord
Rothschild and Alfred Beit bankrolled Rhodes. Rothschild and Beit were
racist, sexist, white supremacist, and imperialists too.The banking house of
Rothschild maintained one of the great intelligence services of the nineteen
century. The private intelligence they gathered helped the Rothschild's to
successfully place their investments. According to former CIA chief Allen
Dulles, "In 1815, while Europe awaited news of the Battle of Waterloo,
Nathan Rothschild in London already knew that the British had been
victorious. In order to make a financial killing, he then depressed the
market by selling British Government securities; those who watched his every
move in the market did likewise, concluding that Waterloo had been lost by
the British and their allies. At the proper moment he bought back in at the
low, and when the news was finally generally known, the value of government
securities soared." In America the banking houses of Morgan and Rockefeller
would come to maintain the great intelligence services of the 20th century.
The intelligence services of the houses of Morgan and Rockefeller would
include control of the intelligence services of the United States
government. Many agents of the banking houses of Morgan and Rockefeller
would go to work for United States intelligence agencies. During World War
I, one of the most important elements of agent authentication was the
fabrication of passports, identification cards and other documents. The
censorship and documents branch was headed by Commander Henry S. Morgan of
the United States Naval Reserve, a son of financier J. P. Morgan Jr..
Morgan's agency collected and compiled intelligence from mail, cables, and
telephone conversations intercepted by the War Department under the
government's wartime censorship powers. 2

John Cecil Rhodes and his followers knew how to apply psycho-political
operations effectively to justify their conquests. The conquests were made
in the name of an ideology -- civilizing "the white man's burden." Rhodes
would leave a legacy that would help to formalize international
psycho-political operations and covert activities.

Cecil Rhodes was instrumental in establishing British control over South
Africa. Rhodes gained fabulous riches digging diamonds in South Africa. In
1888 Rhodes consolidated several diamond companies into the De Beers
Consolidated Mines. The same year Rhodes sent ten thousand pounds to England
for the cause of Irish Home Rule. In 1889 Rhodes obtained the charter for
the British South Africa Company. Rhodesia was named in his honor. Rhodes
became a South African statesman. Rhodes established a racist system of
government which would be named apartheid.

The racist policy called for strict separation of the 

[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: Regulation B

1999-01-16 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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Federal agency wants to encourage
banks to ask customers about race, gender

WASHINGTON, DC -- The Federal Reserve Board is quietly trying to
enact a proposal called Regulation B, which would encourage banks to label
customers by race, gender, and ethnic background before approving their
loans, the Libertarian Party warns.

"There's only one way to describe Regulation B: Backward," said
Steve Dasbach, national director of the Libertarian Party. "Race should
have no more to do with who gets a loan than it once did in deciding where
people could sit on a bus. This embarrassing throwback to the Jim Crow era
should be withdrawn immediately."

 Regulation B would amend the Equal Credit Opportunity Act to
"encourage" banks to collect data on the race, religion, gender, and
national origin of anyone applying for an auto loan, credit card, or
personal loan. The collection of such data has been illegal since 1976,
but the Federal Reserve is trying to reverse that policy.

 "In a colorblind society, banks judge people not by the color of
their skin, but by the content of their credit application," Dasbach said.
"But that's not what's going to happen the next time you apply for a loan
if Regulation B goes through.

"Instead of discussing whether you're financially qualified, be
prepared to explain whether you're racially qualified. You could also face
questions about your religious views and ethnic background, such as
whether you're Asian, a Pacific Islander, or an Eskimo.

"Perhaps the most repugnant part is that if you refuse to
answer, the loan officer would be required to make their own assessment
'based on skin tone and facial characteristics.' "

Ironically, Dasbach said, the driving forces behind Regulation B
are some of the same groups that once opposed such racial profiling, such
as the National Black Chamber of Commerce and the ACLU. Egging them on are
trial lawyers, who stand to reap millions by using the racial data to show
that banks have discriminated by awarding a disproportionate number of
loans to certain groups.

"Program by program, quota by quota, politicians keep trying to
pit Americans against each other by race -- and greedy lawyers are only
too happy to cash in," Dasbach said. "In the aftermath of the attack
litigation against tobacco companies, gun makers, and Microsoft, there's
blood in the water -- and banks are the next likely target."

Fortunately, it's not too late to kill Regulation B, Dasbach
said. After a brief public comment period, the Federal Reserve Board
remains undecided, and a final decision is expected by early Spring.

The Libertarian Party is fighting the proposal along with some of
the same organizations that helped it quash the FDIC's so-called Know Your
Customer rule earlier this year, including the Free Congress Foundation,
Eagle Forum, U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), the Independent Community Bankers
of America and other banking organizations.

"Now's the time to bury Regulation B," Dasbach said. "Let's
inundate Congress and the Federal Reserve with letters, faxes, and
phone calls in opposition to this pernicious proposal.

"Regulation B isn't only unjust; it's unnecessary. In a free
market, the only color that matters is green. Any bank foolish enough to
discriminate virtually guarantees that qualified minority applicants will
take their business elsewhere, and even invites massive consumer boycotts.

"In other words, the free market already imposes a stiff price for
racism -- without dragging America backward on civil rights."

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[CTRL] KIRK,DOREEN,PATRICKALL OF YOU CAN GO TO...

1999-01-16 Thread Chuck Acme

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KIRK, DOREEN, PATRICK  ALL OF YOU IN THIS EMAIL DISCUSSION LIST CAN GO TO...
MY FAVORITE BIBLE STUDY WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET RIGHT NOW AND WRITE ME BACK
THANKING ME FOR SHARING THESE TOTALLY COOL SITES WITH YOU.

SHALOM - MAG - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MY FAVORITE BIBLE SEARCH ENGINE
http://unbound.biola.edu/
A HREF="http://unbound.biola.edu/"The Unbound Bible/A

HUGE List of Christian books online including, Bible Dictionaries,
Commentaries, etc
http://ccel.org/
A HREF="http://ccel.org/"Christian Classics Ethereal Library -- Fiction,
etc./A

Very Cool Source for books by the CHURCH FATHERS, Augustine, Aquinas, Luther,
Calvin, etc
http://www.gty.org/~phil/hall.htm
A HREF="http://www.gty.org/~phil/hall.htm"Hall of Church History/A

Very Cool Source for the CREEDS of various denominations past  presentA
HREF="http://www.creeds.net/index.htm"
http://www.creeds.net/index.htm
Creeds of Christendom/A

What the Bible Says About... features The New Nave's Topical Bible,
http://wbsa.logos.com/search.asp
A HREF="http://wbsa.logos.com/search.asp"What the Bible Says About.../A

Very Cool site for the serious student of "LOGIC" - A must read for those who
wish to debate in a logical manner as opposed to emotional or illogical, etc.
http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/welcome.htm
A HREF="http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/welcome.htm"Stephen Downes
: Fallacies/A


My Favorite Calvinist, Reconstructionist, Intellectual web site excellent!
http://www.chalcedon.edu/
A HREF="http://www.chalcedon.edu/"Chalcedon.edu/A

Huge List of links to great Christian Web sites from R.C. Sproul's Ligonier
Ministries Web SiteA HREF="http://www.gospelcom.net/ligonier/links.html"
http://www.gospelcom.net/ligonier/links.html
Links to other sites/A

Huge list of "Christian Web Sites" (Some of these sites are questionable)
http://nav1-2.webring.com/cgi-bin/navcgi?ring=cchristian;list;page=0
A
HREF="http://nav1-2.webring.com/cgi-bin/navcgi?ring=cchristian;list;page=0"Ri
ng of Conservative Christian Sites/A

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Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)

1999-01-16 Thread pennie hammons

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Jah wrote:
By the way, free-will, is, for your information, one of God's Laws and there
are no other laws on this planet that are Lawful.

***So, if man-made laws are evil and God sent you to recover the Ark, then I
would say that you are sinning by obeying the laws of man and NOT the word
of God. Surely you don't need a permit to dig since that is part of man's
law..?

Jah: Perhaps I joined the wrong list? Does anyone know of a real
anti-conspiracy list? If so please tell me how to contact it.

***I think you did join the wrong list. The one you want is Sons Of Liberty
at Onelist.com. I'm sure that you will fit right in there.

Jah:P.S. Your words are in brown. Is there a subconscious message in your
choice of colour for your own words? Did God guide your choice for you?

*** Jah, your words are in black, h.

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[CTRL] The Black Book of Communism - 2

1999-01-16 Thread Chuck Acme

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http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=316588730

Subject: Holocausts Unwritten-The Media Still Sleeps
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COMMUNISTS' CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

Some historians note a curious absence of discussion of the
crimes of communism since the Soviet Union's demise. For Nazi
crimes, there were the Nuremberg trials. But there has been no
such justice for the tens of millions of persons killed by
communist regimes.

A group of respected analysts and historians recently set off
fierce debate in France with the publication of the 800-page
"Black Book of Communism." While there are histories of
communism's toll in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, China and
Cambodia, this is believed to be the first time anyone has made a
comprehensive study-complete with an estimated body count of
between 85 million and 100 million victims.

Here is a sampling of facts and issues from the book:

o It argues that these deaths deserve the appellation
"crimes against humanity"-a term most closely
associated with Nazi genocide.

o In most of Central and Eastern Europe, Stalinist
prosecutors, jailers and torturers are living out a
peaceful retirement on government pensions.

o In Russia, the crimes of the past are rarely discussed in
public-and in China the camps and tortures continue, if
not at the same intensity as earlier.

o As communist regimes gradually transformed, former
communists often remained in power as newly democratic
countries concentrated on solving immediate economic and
political challenges.

Marxist parties continue to exist and even thrive in Europe and
attract some adherents in American universities. And one all too
often still hears the cliché that "the ideas were right, but the
people failed." In Europe, some intellectuals and politicians
objected to the comparison of communism with Nazism. French
Socialist Prime Minister Lionel Jospin stated that he was "proud"
of the presence of communists in his government and shocked by a
comparison to the Nazis.

Source: Anne Applebaum (Sunday Telegraph), "Teflon
Totalitarianism," Wall Street Journal, January 16, 1998.

~

The Black Book of Communism:

http://www.tbwt.com/articles/global/global63.htm

"Black Book of Communism" Sparks French Debate

PARIS, Nov 7 (Reuters) - Just in time for the 80th anniversary of
the Bolshevik Revolution, a team of French historians has estimated
that communism has claimed between 85 and 100 million lives in this
century.

But, even before their 848-page "Black Book of Communism" was
published this week, the 11 experts split up in bitter dispute over
what their gruesome findings meant.

Were Stalin's purges, Pol Pot's genocide and the millions of
other deaths under the hammer and sickle central to the communist
system? Were they crimes against humanity on the same par as Nazi
atrocities?

The 11 historians, many of them Maoists, Trotskyites or
communists in their rebellious younger years, examined the history of
the former Soviet Union, China, Vietnam, Eastern Europe and
non-governing communist movements to produce their detailed estimates
of victims.

Reviewers hailed the "Black Book" as a first global study of
the victims of one of the two totalitarianisms that have marked the
20th century.

Work on the book, timed to coincide with Friday's anniversary of
the Bolshevik Revolution, progressed smoothly until a few months ago
when some authors balked at the planned title "The Book of Communist
Crimes."

The final break came last month when project leader Stephane
Courtois produced the preface openly branding terror as a central
characteristic of communism.

Several authors accused Courtois of twisting their research and
some cancelled other projects planned with him. Like any good
intellectual feud in France, the story made headlines in the Paris
press.

"The debate...risks overshadowing the enormous contribution the
Black Book makes to knowledge about the crimes, terror and repression
the immense majority of communist leaders were responsible for," the
left-wing Paris daily Liberation wrote.

"The polemics are all the more regrettable because this book
breaks with the strange speechlessness that has stricken most of our
historians."

The book estimates communists claimed 65 million lives in China,
20 million in the former Soviet Union, two million in Cambodia and
North Korea each, 1.7 million in Africa, one million in Vietnam and
Eastern Europe respectively and 150,000 in Latin America.

"The facts are stubborn and they show the communist regimes
committed crimes against about 100 million people, against about 25
million for the Nazis," Courtois wrote in the disputed preface.

"The methods introduced by Lenin and perfected by Stalin and
their like not only recall the Nazi methods, they often predate
them."


[CTRL] AF News 19 Nov 99

1999-01-16 Thread Bill Richer

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WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!


992112.  Guam holds ceremony for return of remains of American servicemen

MCCHORD AIR FORCE BASE, Wash. (AFPN) -- The remains of what are believed to
be 11 American servicemen from two wars were returned to American soil Nov.
18 for the first time since they went off to war.

A Reserve C-17 aircrew from the 446th Airlift Wing here flew the remains of
the three American servicemen from the Korean War and eight from the Vietnam
War to Andersen Air Base, Guam, today at about 3:45 a.m. (Pacific Standard
Time).

This mission is the first incidence of American servicemen from two wars
being repatriated at the same time.

For the Korean War soldiers, the event marks the first time in nearly 50
years, since they were declared missing in action, that they have been on
American soil.

The three soldiers, thought to have been killed at the Battle of the
Chongchon River between late November and early December of 1950, represent
only a few of hundreds killed in that region during a period of fierce
fighting.  More than 8,200 Americans remain missing from the Korean War.

Since joint recovery operations began in North Korea in 1996, the remains of
what are believed to be 42 American servicemen have been repatriated. Of
those 42, three have been positively identified and returned to their
families for burial.

The eight sets of remains from Southeast Asia -- two from Laos and six from
Vietnam -- were recovered by military and civilian members of Hawaii's Joint
Task Force-Full Accounting and the Army Central Identification Laboratory
during three separate search and recovery missions held from August to
November.

To date, there are currently 2,043 Americans still unaccounted for from the
Vietnam War. Since the end of the Vietnam War, 540 Americans have been
positively identified and returned to their families for burial.

The Air Force Reservists from McChord picked up the three sets of remains
from the Korean War and the two sets of remains found in Laos in Thailand
and then flew to Hanoi to pick up the six sets of remains found in Vietnam.

The McChord Air Force Reserve C-17 aircrew will leave Guam Nov. 19 and fly
to the Army's Central Identification Laboratory where the process to try to
identify the servicemen and return them to their families for burial will
begin.


992111.  Special ops school holds first CMSID for Middle East students

by Tech. Sgt. Ginger Schreitmueller
Air Force Special Operations Command Public Affairs

HURLBURT FIELD, Fla. (AFPN) -- Spending time in the Middle East is nothing
new for many U.S. servicemembers.  But for two weeks in November, the Middle
East came to Hurlburt Field.

Seventeen students from eight Middle Eastern and Central Asian nations were
at the U.S. Air Force Special Operations School here Nov. 1 through 12
attending the Civil-Military Strategy for Internal Development Course.

"The school holds two or three iterations of this course throughout the
year, each with a different regional focus," said Col. Brian Maher, the
school's commandant.  "Past courses we've held have been for Latin America,
Africa and Eurasia.  This is the 12th iteration of the CMSID since 1993, but
the first time the course has been offered to students from the Middle
East."

Another unique aspect of this iteration was the fact several students
represented the Iraqi National Congress, an umbrella organization for the
Iraqi opposition.  These students attended the course under the provisions
of the Iraq Liberation Act, which authorizes the Defense Department to
provide equipment, training and other services to seven opposition
organizations designated by the president of the United States.  CMSID
represented the first DOD training carried out under this legislation.

Despite this, the Middle East CMSID was not focused on immediate political
issues in the region, said the course director.

"The purpose of all iterations of CMSID is for the students, military
officers and civilian officials from around the world, to better understand
the importance of a strong civil-military relationship," said Maj. Thomas
Hudd.  "We use examples from the U.S. civil-military experience to show
students how our nation has built on this cooperation."

During the course, students participate in a variety of seminars and
discussions to enhance their understanding of the positive civil-military
relationship in the United States, said Hudd.

"The course is a combination of seminars and visits to local sites, such as
the county courthouse, to demonstrate how civil-military relations are
structured in the United States," said the major.  "Lecturers are
government, private sector and academic experts in a variety of subjects.
They address issues such as cultural inhibitors to democratic reform,
military budget and resource planning, as well as the unique developmental
objectives of the region."

Students also participate in seminars 

[CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-01-16 Thread David Rupp

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Someone just sent this link to another list that I read:
http://www.fine-art.com/Steadman/ark.txt
It seems that the Ark has been located and it's in the hands of the Israeli
government. I'm sure that most of us can rest easy now, and JAH can find a
new crusade. Good luck!

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[CTRL] GOP News Views - November 18, 1999

1999-01-16 Thread Bill Richer

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Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

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A Do-Nothing Congress?  Great!!!

“Congress is about to leave town for the year, amid Beltway and media hazing
over all of the legislation it didn’t pass.  Of course this is precisely what
the rest of the country should be grateful for.  Prosperity is spreading far
and wide, teenagers are getting $9 an hour to sling hamburgers, 25-year-olds
are becoming paper millionaires - and Congress did almost nothing this year
to get in the way.  What’s wrong with that?”

- Wall Street Journal editorial, 11/17/99

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Jesse Jackson:  Black Klansman?

“Jesse Jackson is a racist. He is just as racist as a hate-spewing Klansman
who dons a robe and burns crosses. Even worse, his racism hurts blacks even
more than it does whites.  Jackson marched Tuesday to demand that the Decatur
school board put the expelled students back in school.  The school board,
appropriately, has told Jesse to take a hike.  Unfortunately, he hiked to the
school to demand that they let his brothers in. That's when the cops busted
him. ... But by trying to force the Decatur school board to put his black
troublemaking buddies back in school, Jackson's actions pose more of a threat
to his own race.  Why? Consider this:

*  Blacks make up 17 percent of Decatur's population. Yet statistics compiled
by the FBI show that young black men in Decatur commit 64 percent of the
violent crimes in the city.

*  And most of those crimes are not committed against whites. Some 78 percent
are violent acts against other blacks (robbery, assault, murder, etc.).

*  The young men that Jackson is trying so hard to put back into school have
long juvenile records as well as extended absenteeism from school and
multiple incidents within school. Most of their crimes have been inflicted on
other black students.

So by insisting that these hoodlums be put back in the Decatur school system,
Jackson is, in fact, increasing the danger to other black students in the
school. ... Jesse should get his troublemaking butt out of Decatur.  As long
as he is there, he is a threat to every law-abiding black man and woman who
lives in that Illinois city.”

- Columnist Doug Thompson, “The Rant,” Capitol Hill Blue, 11/17/99

***
GOP Continues To Slide in Nevada

For the second month in a row, Democrats have maintained - and expanded -
their lead in voter registration among Nevada residents.  After four years of
GOP dominance in the state, Democrats took the lead in September - and
extended it last month.  The slide actually began last winter, when the state
party staffers who were responsible for the GOP’s impressive registration
successes were cut loose in a power struggle.  Hope the new “powers that be”
get their act together pretty soon.

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Great News, DMV Fans!

When last we visited the Nevada Department of Motor Vehicles, drivers were
waiting in lines of up to seven hours just to renew a drivers’ license or car
registration due to bugs in a “new-and-improved”, multi-million-dollar
computer software system.  Great news motorists.  The DMV told a Nevada
legislative oversight committee on Tuesday that they’ve made remarkable
progress in working the bugs out of the “Genocide” computer system - as it
has been derisively nicknamed by DMV workers.  The wait in line now has been
reduced to...drum roll please...only 2 1/2 hours!  Wow.  Of course, the
“old”
system allowed drivers to conduct their business in about 20 minutes...but
who’s counting, right?  After all, a citizens’ time doesn’t really matter,
does it?  Still, we got kick out of DMV director Ginny Lewis’ attempt to
shoot the messenger on Tuesday.  While it’s the monumental goof-up of
bringing on-line a computer system that wasn’t ready for prime time which has
caused - and continues to cause - the long lines, Lewis blamed the media for
creating them by reporting on them.  Huh?


Reno Workshops This Weekend

The Nevada Republican Liberty Caucus will conduct two campaign related
workshops at the Sparks Nugget in conjunction with the Nevada GOP Central
Committee meeting.  On Friday, a Candidate Orientation workshop will be held
in the Fremont Room on the 2nd floor of the Convention Center from 6 - 8 p.m.
 On Saturday, a fundraising workshop specifically geared toward the annual
Lincoln Day dinners for county party organizations will be held immediately
after the Central Committee meeting - probably from around 1-3 p.m.  These
workshops will be presented by NRLC Chairman Chuck Muth and are FREE and open
to any Republican.  (Democrats can come, too...but it’ll cost THEM $5,000 per
person!)

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