Re: [CTRL] Jane Fonda Says Pro-Life People are Hypocrites
Hey Bill, exactly whose business is it? Do tell...I shall await w/ bated breath ?? well? barley William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 4/10/00 3:42:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm never going to stop crying out against injustice as human reason so directs. Abortion is the greatest injustice in the world today. What hyperbolic drivel! Get another hobby man, it's not your fight...and none of your buisness! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jane Fonda Says Pro-Life People are Hypocrites
I have to agree, after all the woman can't get pregnant all by herself, there are 2 parties involved here billy boy! barley Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: SEXIST!!! On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 4/10/00 9:18:25 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Bill, exactly whose business is it? Do tell...I shall await w/ bated breath Well "Barley" I say it's a woman's issue...it's their business! These anti-choice men, mostly with bad facial hair and a suspicious amount of freetime and no discernable source of income, the type of goofs who picket,bomb and harrass outside clinics...they really get my goat...can ya' tell? If you don't like abortion...don't have one...pretty simple really, no? But to insert oneself into other people's VERY PRIVATE business is anti-American at best... Peace, Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- http://www.vcn.bc.ca/culturex/The-Question-Nobody-Will-Answer.htm --- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: An Ex-Priest Comments on The Christ Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- William Shannon wrote: More rave reviews for the lovely and talented Acharya S and her vital opus THE CHRIST CONSPIRACY! Bill. the guy is a catholic priest, i think that says it all one of the biggest cults in the world..the great, the powerful, ladies and gentlemen.i give you the catholic church! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: An Ex-Priest Comments on The Christ Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- oops, that wasn't supposed to go to the list... everyone, my apologies, thought i was writing to Bill.. kimberly William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 2/21/00 8:46:55 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the guy is a catholic priest, i think that says it all one of the biggest cults in the world..the great, the powerful, ladies and gentlemen.i give you the catholic church! LOL! Preach on sistah! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- well Dale, I guess if you trust the gov. to not abuse the power this would give them.more-power to YOU! however, since we know absolute power corrupts absolutely, why give the gov.even more power over us? and it seems to me, you are comparing apples to oranges... Dale Stonehouse wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- So may I infer from this that anything that can be used for any purpose other than good should be caused to cease to exist if possible? If so, then: If guns can be used for other than good, let's cause them to cease to exist. If abortion can be used for other than good, let's cause it to cease to exist. If government can be used for other than good, let's cause it to cease to exist. If science can be used for other than good, let's cause it to cease to exist. If religion can be used for other than good, let's cause it to cease to exist. If splitting the atom can be used for other than good, let's cause atoms to cease to exist. The sentiment itself may have merit, but the logic fails - every time. Whose reality are we talking about here? On Thursday, January 20, 2000 12:40 PM, memmerrise [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I found this after very little Research, and found it interesting as to how prevailant this technology may become. Hmmm I wonder if there is a single person out there that could actually believe that this will only be used for good. If so they need to join Reality. Memmerrise Current trends in transponder systems Major successes using RFID technologies in use today are: Electronic Article Surveillance (EAS) Market penetration of this technology is already reportedly reaching 6 000 million units per year and growing strongly. However there is still lack of standardisation between the different manufacturers, which causes confusion with the end users. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Jamie, I absolutely resemble your remark.. and agree w/ ya, wholeheartedly. kimmy "Stopforth, Jamie" wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Don't be so sure that we won't be here. The rapture theory is just that: A theory. I encourage you to reread for yourself what is said in the Bible about this and see that there is no pre-trib rapture mentioned anywhere. Sorry, but if it's the word of God, it's not a theory. It's truth. As for pre-trib or post trib, I've discussed this issue 100 times over and have yet to find anything that would make me believe it to be post trib. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. Jamie A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- oh, well, the reality of the situation is black and white..in that if you study history you will see that any government who had full control over its peoples abused that power and their people.and that is the REALITY of the situation... nothing grey there, and that has nothing to do w/ your or anyone's religious beliefs. and I personally do not trust the government and that opinion I hold is based on fact not feeling... ks Dale Stonehouse wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On Thursday, January 20, 2000 12:40 PM, KDS [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: well Dale, I guess if you trust the gov. to not abuse the power this would give them. I don't trust or distrust the government any more than I believe or disbelieve any particular religion. This would be engaging in dualistic, black-or-white thinking, which is the trap "they" are counting on us to keep ourselves in. Nearly all of reality is in the grey area which is ignored by the masses. Wishing for technology to go away does not make it so. "I wish the Earth was still flat." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- actually the Greek meaning for the word ' in ' in Revelation referring to the ' mark' at least in my concordance.means to incise- to put into.which is physical, a putting into as it were,..and w/out it no man shall buy, sale, or trade..lests he receives itso, for other people to recognize that one wouldn't not be able to these things, it would have to be physical..indeed, that's why i personally think it has to be a small computer chip...but, regardless it comes down to more gov. control, which i would strongly object toand so should everyone else who has half a brain.think about the repercussions... just my lille ol opinion ks Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Jamie, I've posted the study I've done on this mark of the beast several times... http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds/mark.html You can go there for a more indepth study of the subject... First, let me ask you... WHAT is *in* your forehead??? Let's hope it's your frontal brain lobe. That particular part of the brain has been scientifically proven to be that part which governs your thoughts [involving the mind] and actions [the works of your hands] . THIS is where you are marked... *IN* your mind, in your spirit (which is the intellect of the soul), which causes the hands to perform for what you believe or what you are governed by. If you don't want to go to the study site, and want a brief reason why I believe what I believe... It's because of what the Bible bears witness to certain facts... The mark of Cain was not physical. Scripture? Genesis 4:10-15 The Hebrew word for mark as used in this Genesis account regarding Cain, is Strong's Concordance (Hebrew) #226 - owth (oth), which means - a signal, as a flag beacon or monument, omen, progeny (offspring), evidence, miracle, ensign, token. God gave Cain a pledge or promise that he should not be slain. This being spiritual in nature. It is not saying that He literally placed a tattoo, color, or anything that can be seen by man, upon Cain. If God had marked Cain with a physical marking, He would have placed him into a position where all would know who saw him *would* kill him, which would be contrary to God's negative purpose of keeping Cain and his offspring alive until the end of this earth age (to the last generation). God gave Cain His protection from being killed so that His negative purpose could be finally accomplished in these, the last days. When studying God's Word it is necessary to research all possibilities of the subject at hand, in order to find the true meaning, and that which God intended for us to know. Study is ordered so as to show oneself approved as we are taught in 2 Timothy 2:15. Most importantly, once you have researched a subject for yourself, and you, yourself have actually done the footwork, there is no margin of error left in interpretation. For certainly no part of the scripture is of any private interpretation, as we are taught by Peter (2 Peter 1:20-21). Always look it up and study a thing for yourself, even if someone shows you the way to a study. You can settle any issue by being certain of your own research! Let it not be said that you are one that 'wrestles' with the scripture as we are taught in 2 Peter 3:16-18. The marks that we are concerned with here in this study, is the "mark of God", and the "mark of the beast". The word "mark" in the Greek is Strong's Concordance #5480 charagma (khar-ag-ma) as used in Revelation 9:4 and 13:18 which means 'brand' or 'a badge of servitude'. We are speaking here of the servitude of Christ or the servitude of the antichrist (one who comes in the stead of Christ). These marks are literally *in* the forehead, and/or *in* the right hand. The mark [seal] of God is recognizable and *discerned* by what you do with the knowledge of God's Word and it's purpose through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Here we are dealing with the workings of God through what the prophets taught, and what Jesus taught. The mark of the beast system, is dealing with the teachings and workings of man [6], who teaches traditions and doctrinal requirements which are not in God's Word, but are very important in this sense of this mark of servitude. We are also dealing in the same respect with the teachings of satan or satan's works which is also a part of the servitude spoken of. This mark of servitude is very important. What you believe in your mind, also known as the 'heart', which is located *in your forehead* where the brain contains the governing part of your mind; and what you do with your (right) hand, which is the the works you produce because of your beliefs in your mind, determines precisely which mark you actually bear. This 'mark of servitude' is truly a spiritual mark. Anyone who would
Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- How can you track the buying and selling of every person on the planet, if the mark is not a physical thing Revelation needs to be interpreted by using the book of Daniel...they go togetheryes, I know there are a few others also and the 'right hand ' term is used regarding Jesus, because he is seated at the right hand of God now, it also says that all who takes the markwill fall down and worship the beastso, you are taking something, receiving something...so that you may be able to buy, sell or trade.that is pysicalas i said, the Greek word meaning to 'incise, to put into' a physical putting intolook it up in the Greek Concordance if you don't believe me.. anyhoo, regardless we should strongly object to anyone who would have us put a computer chip anywhere in our bodies...it will subject us to full governmental slavery.and you know it ks pennie hammons wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- How many times in the OT is the term "right hand" used in reference to strength, power or even Jesus Himself? Revelation must be interpreted by using the rest of the Bible. Without knowing the whole Bible, none of it will ever make sense. As far as the sores are concerned, look at Rev 14:910. From: "Stopforth, Jamie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand! Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:49:29 -0600 -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- WHAT is *in* your forehead??? WHAT is *in* your hand? The Bible makes it clear it's going to be in the hand OR forehead. How could it possibly something not physical if it was in the hand? If it was something not physical or mental as what you believe why then even put the Hand as an option? And why the grievous sore for those that have the mark? [Rev 16:2] That brings me to believe it is a device and not simply a state of mind. Jamie A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major
Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I used the word tracking, to keep track, but the Bible is clear that no man may buy, sell, or trade, unless he receiveth the mark...therefore, common sense would dictate that , that in itself will keep a record of anyone's transactions.. as far as the spirit of delusion sent , so that they might believe the lie..hello, that is the lie that the anti-christ is the messiah...and many will believe just that..the lie , has nothing to do w/ the rapture, and if you really believe that a born-again Christian who happens to believe in a rapture will not be saved then you have indeed missed the whole message of Christ. and let's try speaking the 'truth in love' you seem very judgemental of other christians beliefs..remember, the messure you give, will be the measure you get judge not, lest you be judged more harshly.and all that... no, the Bible doesn't specify a chip, ect..but, we know that computer chips are indeed extremely small, they can hold thousands of pieces of information, and can be inserted under the skin...it is not a great leap to discern that, that could be used, and probably will be... curious, if any of you saw the Oprah Winfrey show in the early 90's, it was a show on the year 2000, the guest said by then we should be in a cashless society, where buying and selling would be kept track of by a chip in the hand..?? and it's been mentioned countless times since then, as well you know, if you pay attention to that sort of thing and Eagle, don't assume that you are the only one on the list who studies the Bible...and just because I disagree w/ a LOT of what you think, doesn't mean I'm unintelligent or believe in a bunch of hooey...I can back myself up w/ countless scripture also..and that being said..I bid you, good day! ks Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- WHO said anyone is tracking anything? My Bible says nothing about tracking anything or anyone... it talks about a MARK... to buy or sell. ANYTHING ELSE is imposed by false doctrine. The Bible says nothing about a chip, a tattoo, a card or electromagnetic anything... those are traditions of men who deal in speculation, and is a bunch of hooey. As a matter of fact, you are way off track, and as a famous man once said... you need to read it again... and as Jesus said, "IT IS WRITTEN". eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "KDS" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand! -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- How can you track the buying and selling of every person on the planet, if the mark is not a physical thing Revelation needs to be interpreted by using the book of Daniel...they go togetheryes, I know there are a few others also and the 'right hand ' term is used regarding Jesus, because he is seated at the right hand of God now, it also says that all who takes the markwill fall down and worship the beastso, you are taking something, receiving something...so that you may be able to buy, sell or trade.that is pysicalas i said, the Greek word meaning to 'incise, to put into' a physical putting intolook it up in the Greek Concordance if you don't believe me.. anyhoo, regardless we should strongly object to anyone who would have us put a computer chip anywhere in our bodies...it will subject us to full governmental slavery.and you know it ks pennie hammons wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- How many times in the OT is the term "right hand" used in reference to strength, power or even Jesus Himself? Revelation must be interpreted by using the rest of the Bible. Without knowing the whole Bible, none of it will ever make sense. As far as the sores are concerned, look at Rev 14:910. From: "Stopforth, Jamie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand! Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:49:29 -0600 -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- WHAT is *in* your forehead??? WHAT is *in* your hand? The Bible makes it clear it's going to be in the hand OR forehead. How could it possibly something not physical if it was in the hand? If it was something not physical or mental as what you believe why then even put the Hand as an option? And why the grievous sore for those that have the ma
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch? Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why give us any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the hour but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time when you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the Second Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives which imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the Truth. Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite enough of a challenge for any of us. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN -Caveat Lector- BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious pomposity! Om K In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last days". It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one who would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable of the Fig Tree to the multitude. snip DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- maybe so, but, knowledge has intensified in our times...not just technology but also Bible knowledge..so, even though thru out history people thought they were living in those times..the prophecies had not even come cloce to being fufilled.the nation of Israel was scattered all over the world..and now they are not..there are lots more signs, but I don't think you are truly interested in this thread so .. Om ks Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- And ya know, one can find statements like these all through historic times. Arrogance. MHO Om K In a message dated 1/6/00 10:05:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch? Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why give us any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the hour but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- Bill, ya really need to get a clue...but, I shall pray for ya buddy... ks William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/00 12:37:32 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the nation of Israel was scattered all over the world. Wait a minute here...the "nation of Isreal" was scattered??? Hmmm...actually the "nation of Israel" was created out of the thin air in recent times...before that there was no nation of Israel...and the so-called Israelites are really a diverse group of people...mostly from Europe and with NO genetic connection to the "Jews" of the Bible... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
-Caveat Lector- YOU GO GIRL and I just have to disagree w/ Eagle's interp. of Matthew 24, I believe, and have researched, and I think he was speaking of the Jews, when they realize they have been duped by the anti-christ, and he calls for their all out destruction in the middle of the 3 1/2 year tribulation breaking the peace treaty, and they have to flee for their lives. ks pennie hammons wrote: -Caveat Lector- All I'm trying to say is that no one should feel that they have God all figured out, because that isn't possible. We who love the Lord will know a tree by it's fruit, no matter who comes first. The more I learn the more I realize how little I know. This isn't what we are supposed to be doing with all of our time. It is not good to separate yourself from the church instead of praying for enlightenment for the ones around you who are earnestly seeking God. It is pure arrogance to think you are better than those who go to church. I go so I can be humbled with the knowledge that God loves them all and none of us are perfect. Anti-religeon is not the answer. Stay in the body, it's the only way the whole body will eventually come together with no more division. From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:49:47 -0600 -Caveat Lector- Pennie, The whole of Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 and MORE, is dedicated to us, for learning WHO the false messiah is in the last days. Jesus taught that there is one specifically coming in HIS name. I've researched it for myself, and I do believe the antichrist [one who comes in the stead of Jesus] comes first on the scene powering first the NWO to prep the way for his appearance. This is from my own research not from traditions or false doctrine. I got tired of being lied to as a child and as an adult. So, I dove in, and learned the truth for myself. Jesus was explicit in those chapters referenced of how it would be in the last days, warning of the false one(s) who would come in HIS name in the last days... speaking to the last generation. That is what those chapters are completely about... referring to the antichrist and how to recognize him and his mark. THEN, He is even more explicit in description in His Revealing ... chapters 13, and 11 specifically though the whole most of Revelation is dedicated to what will happen to those who do not believe that the one who verse 11: "Looks like the Lamb of God, but speaks like Dragon" is the true Messiah. I've researched this for over 20 years. My own personal conclusions from the prophecies given throughout the Bible is that the antichrist will come masquerading / disguised as Jesus. It's what he's wanted to do all along. (Isaiah 14:12-16) God will allow this to happen for a very specific reason. You can read the study on the "Four Winds" at http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds... But hey, don't believe me, believe the Words of God and Christ. They laid it out line upon line, precept upon precept. If you don't believe it now... just remember you were warned, when you do learn the truth of the matter. I just pray you are not one of those who is gripped with paralyzing fear, when you realize who the false messiah really is. See Revelation ch 11. There is much more to this, but will be getting more and more off topic and into something that deserves a better forum to discuss. I will discuss this with you further off the CTRL List, if you like, or there is a list that I have specifically for these types of topics if you'd like. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "pennie hammons" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1 -Caveat Lector- Be careful, Eagle1. Nowhere does it say that the antichrist, if it is one man, will claim to be Jesus. This is another one taught to us by tradition, not the Bible. Just imagine for a moment that the first to come realy IS Jesus, would you crucify Him because you think you know the way it HAS to happen? Pennie KDS, "Thief in the night" is a term latched on to by traditions of men, though the words are there, it has been twisted by men and his doctrines. It has been taken out of it's perspective and replaced into another. JESUS was no thief... and he will come as no thief, per se. He will unexpectedly come to those who have believed a false doctrine such as rapture or amilleniumism, etc., because those who believe those perversion of doctrines will believe that the first one who comes claiming to be Jesus Christ is the true messiah come to 'rapture' them away; when he will actually be the antichrist. The first taken out of the field is t
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- You are correct..6 day war it wassorry.stand corrected.. but I didn't even get a "nice try." like Bill did. ks Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/00 12:05:35 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War.. Er. Jerusalem was taken in the six day war. Joshua2 as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks So should we stockpile water and ammo??? Will we need generators? How,"ks" can we truly be prepared??? (If this isn't an invitation...what is??) There's the softball...can ya' hit it outta' the park??? Betcha' can! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Noah's Ark
-Caveat Lector- NOAH VS. "CITY HALL" And the Lord spoke to Noah and said, "In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole earth with water until all flesh is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark." In a flash of lightening, God delivered the specifications for an Ark. In fear and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark. "Now, remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year." Exactly one year later, fierce storm clouds covered the earth and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord looked down and saw Noah sitting in his front yard, weeping. "Noah," God shouted down, "where is the Ark?" "Oh, Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best, but there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction, and your plans did not comply with the codes. So I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans. Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system and flotation devices. Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard; so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission. I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S. Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls. However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So, no owls. "The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with National Labor. Now I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls. When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me taking only two of each kind aboard. "Just when I got that suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe. Then the Army Engineers demanded a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe. That's right, isn't it? "Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking terrible, godless blasphemers aboard! "The IRS has seized my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in preparation to fleeing the country to avoid paying taxes. I just got a notice from the state that I owe them some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a recreational water craft.' Finally, the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is a religious event and therefore unconstitutional. "I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years, at least!" wailed Noah. The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine, and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the earth, Lord?" "No," said the Lord sadly. "It's too late. The government already has." DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Noah's Ark - Revisited
-Caveat Lector- whatever, mine was funnier...besides, your opinions are definitely getting redundant..believe me we all know where you stand mr. true patriot..get some new material, why don't you. yadayadayada ks True Patriot wrote: -Caveat Lector- NOAH VS. "PATRIOTS" And the Lord spoke to Noah and said, "In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole earth with water until all flesh is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark." In a flash of lightening, God delivered the specifications for an Ark. In fear and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark. "Now, remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year." Exactly one year later, fierce storm clouds covered the earth and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord looked down and saw Noah lying in his front yard, bleeding. "Noah," God shouted down, "where is the Ark?" "Oh, Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best, but there were big problems. First, I was attacked by some Aryan Nationers, since I am from the Middle East and now of pure Aryan blood. Then I got into a fight with some skin heads and Christian Identity people who attacked me for not believing in Jesus (who is that guy anyway?) and for being a member of the ZOG. Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was building a landing pad for the UN black helicopters he saw buzzing around violating his sovereign air space; so I had to convince him I was not an NWO operative. I had problems getting enough wood or anything for the Ark, after I was indicted by a common law court and the local stores were told dont sell to the indicted Jew. When I told them I wanted to build the ark, and that God had told me to save all the righteous people. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe since they assume their version of God is the valid one and that their sovereign citizen jurisdiction was the valid one. They assumed ARK was some government plant to ship them off to concentration camps and that I was suggesting some sort of One World Religion as part of a One World Government as part of a New World Order. That got a lien put on the ark by the common law court and they ran in here and grabbed all by tools to remittance of the lien. Finally the local militia drove a Ryder truck full of explosives up to the ark and detonated it, killing a lot of my neighbors and leaving me this bleeding mess. "I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years, at least!" wailed Noah. The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine, and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the earth, Lord?" "No," said the Lord sadly. "It's too late. The patriots already have." __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] When there *IS* no martial law/NWO/UN Y2K take over,will
-Caveat Lector- Just remember..Failure to Plan, is a Plan to Fail... ks True Patriot wrote: -Caveat Lector- --Original Message-- From: John Hurd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: True Patriot [EMAIL PROTECTED] But what if they are right A completely valid question. Turnabout is fair play. If they are right, then you'll never hear an apology from me. Why? Because if these wack jobs *ARE* right, the NWO/UN/ZOG/FEMA whatever will 1) shut down e-mail 2) throw me into a "UN concentration camp" 3) kill me or 4) a combination of 1-3. In any event, apologies will be out of the question. HOWEVER, when it does NOT happen, the e-mails will be up, no one will be in "UN concentration camps" and no one will be killed by the NWO or whatever. So, THEY have no excuse to not admit they were WRONG. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus to Eagle
-Caveat Lector- I'm curious where it says in the Bible, that Michael releases satan who is confined in Heaven??? I know that II Thess. is about the coming apostasia--or falling away, but it has always been my understanding that satan is given rule of the world up until the end of the 7 yr. tribulation period...example would be when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness and offered him everything, which he could not have had it not been his to give..just wondering ks Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- ROTFL - June! The word defined was not "subtile", it was "Serpent" from the Genesis 3 account. And the definition can be found in the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible - version 1978. (Still LOL about satan under the little tiles... that's funny!) If it matters, Satan is alive and well and being held in heaven until Michael releases him for a very special purpose... which you can read about by going to your Bible, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12). (And contrary to popular belief, satan has never seen the sights of any place called 'hell', as of yet. He has a more special place for his demise). eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "YnrChyldzWyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Eagle 1 wrote: Well then, with all that said... It stands to reason that the Biblical account of Lucifer's beauty should also be considered. In Genesis he was called the "Serpent", the most subtile of all the beasts... (this includes man). Can you tell me what dictionary you find the word 'subtile' in? And just what its definition is? Sounds to me that you are telling us that Satan is below the little squares of ceramic on our bathroom floors, as part of the subflooring? June DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Doomsday Prophets To Be Letdown?
-Caveat Lector- Actually, the book of Daniel is what pinpoints the birth of Christ, his death, and the stoning of Stephen, also the rise and fall of the seven empires..even Jewish scholars look for their Messiah in the years of 2001-2012 as do studious Christians, just so ya know barley Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- In this article, Diane Carmen comments: doomsday planning seems like a complete waste of, well, time. I couldn't agree more. I second that motion! eagle 1 +++ Send someone a smile for the holidays. Find one at: http://www.lambsheart.com/web/cards.html http://www.lambsheart.com/cafe/connect1.html +++ - Original Message - From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 11:41 AM Subject: [CTRL] Doomsday Prophets To Be Letdown? -Caveat Lector- diane carman Doomsday prophets in for disappointment By Diane Carman Denver Post Staff Columnist Dec. 9 - The Concerned Christians who were arrested in Greece as well as dozens of other groups preparing for the apocalypse on the first day of the new millennium could be in for a disappointment. If historians and Biblical scholars are to be believed, the 2000th anniversary of the birth of Christ happened about four years ago. In terms of end-of-the-world prophecies, Jan. 1, 2000 is no more ominous a date than April Fool's Day. Cancel the Middle East Armageddon tour package. As all those who dither about whether the new millennium actually occurs this January or next will tell you, the Gregorian Calendar is a real piece of work. For one thing, the actual date of the birth of Christ, which is the theoretical basis for this whole deal, was almost a random selection. The Romans picked Dec. 25 because before the birth of Christ, many worshipped the sun and that was already a day of celebration since it was the shortest day of the year. Later, astronomers realized that a solar year actually was 365 1/4 days long, so they recalculated, and Dec. 22 became the new date for the shortest day of the year. By that time, 1,200 years had elapsed, however, so there was no point in going into such mundane details with the Christmas-celebrating faithful. As for the year of Christ's birth, that was tricky, too. Using old documents that were based on a variety of ways to calculate months and years in ancient cultures, Christians in the 6th century estimated that Christ was born 753 years after the founding of Rome. That conflicts with the Bible, though, which says his birth was during the reign of King Herod, who died in the Roman year 750. "They just slipped up by a couple of years,'' said University of Colorado history professor Steven Epstein. "Counting backwards like that, you'd naturally lose track.'' Then to top it all off, the inventors of the Gregorian Calendar in the 16th century were into Roman numerals and didn't know about zero. It didn't exist as a concept in those days, so they figured the date of Christ's birth as year one. That wasn't a problem back then, but our subsequent embrace of the zero digit tends to louse up everybody's calculations. Even with all the guesswork involved in determining the year of Christ's birth, starting with year one instead of zero can't help but confuse your average modern-day prophet of doom. New World Order worriers aside, there's plenty of controversy about the meaning of time and how it's measured. Asians following the lunar calendar will celebrate the dawning of the year 4697 on Feb. 16. Jews celebrated the new year of 5760 on Rosh Hashana. Muslims, meanwhile, didn't start keeping track of years until A.D. 622, so they're behind in the count. And Native Americans, who for generations based their calendars on the sun and the stars, have a more cosmic approach to the whole thing. Many believe they moved through several worlds before this one, so doomsday planning seems like a complete waste of, well, time. I couldn't agree more. Diane Carman's commentaries appear Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
