[CTRL] Error meassages in Japan.
-Caveat Lector- In Japan, they have replaced the impersonal and unhelpful Microsoft Error messages with Haiku poetry messages. Your file was big. It might be very useful. But now it is gone. --- The Web site you seek Cannot be located, but Countless more exist. -- Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. - Program aborting: Close all that you have worked on. You ask far too much. -- Windows NT crashed. I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams. -- Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that. - First snow, then silence. This thousand dollar screen dies So beautifully. - With searching comes loss And the presence of absence: My Novel not found. - The Tao that is seen Is not the true Tao-until You bring fresh toner. - Stay the patient course. Of little worth is your ire. The network is down. - A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. Three things are certain: Death, taxes and lost data. Guess which has occurred. You step in the stream, But the water has moved on. This page is not here. Out of memory. We wish to hold the whole sky, But we never will. Having been erased, The document you're seeking Must now be retyped. Serious error. All shortcuts have disappeared. Screen. Mind. Both are blank. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Call To All Americans
-Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: -Caveat Lector- Now, THESE are great ideas!: Source: http://www.webforums.com/forums/f-read/msa64.214.html A CALL TO ALL AMERICANS! From now on, the national toilet paper should be the pages of the Koran! Why? You don't really think that your religion is any better than theirs do you? Arm every flight crew in America down to the man/woman who pumps the gas and loads the luggage. Allow anyone with a concealed carry permit to remain armed while on any airline in the nation. Stupid gun pusher. Do the word pressurized cabin mean anything to you genius? Push your local representatives to MAKE THIS LAW!! Turn the entire middle east into a parking lot!! Your a good Christian Edward. Jesus saves, but you prefer parking lots. Edward + Logic: (1) The study or practice of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning. (2) A means of terrifying liberals. Logic? What logic? This is a logic free zone. J2 http://www.global-connector.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reality_pump/ ~~ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WTC: Two Of My Relatives May Have Been Killed
-Caveat Lector- M. F. Abernathy wrote: -Caveat Lector- I am very worried. I had two relatives who worked in Lower Manhattan in the vicinity of the World Trade Center, and neither of them have been heard from since the attack. My sister [ Barbara A. Abernathy -- D.O.B. 7/16/68 ] has not been heard from by any members of my family since the attack, and my Uncle [Harry L. Isom -- D.O.B. 4/21/34 ] is also unaccounted for -- he didn't come home last night. I can only pray, hope for the best, and prepare for the worst. I am *extremely* worried. Martin F. Abernathy Providence,RI - 9/12/01 I am very sorry to hear this. I know that local hospitals are centers for finding people. Try calling St. Vincents, or Bellview and see if they can help you find your family. Perhaps they know of places designed to help find missing persons. If I can help in any way please let me know. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (fwd) Poll: Americans Willing to Go to War --WashingtonPost/ABC-News
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- And by an equally lop-sided margin, the public favors taking military action directly against the countries that shelter terrorist groups - a somber warning to Afghanistan and other nations suspected of harboring terrorists. This proves the ignorance of the American Public. From Alexander the Great to the British and Russian Imperial Armies to the Soviet Union...Afganistan has been one of the world's premier killing grounds...they have even killed about 1,000,000 of each over the past 12 years. Wait till the US Army loses a few hundred thousand troops in the valleys and mountains of Afganistan - then we will see how anxious the American Public is for military action Either that or Bush will bomb some flea bitten hamlets and desolate mountaintops and declare victory. flw I'm glad we can finally agree. Bring ALL of the miliary home. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [AL-AWDA-News] Arafat Donates Blood for U.S. VictimsPhotos
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: Subject: [AL-AWDA-News] Arafat Donates Blood for U.S. Victims Photos Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:19:51 -0700 From: Wilderness Voice [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arafat Donates Blood for U.S. Victims Photos Obviously a form of biological warfare. GAZA (Reuters) - Palestinian President Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) donated blood Wednesday for the victims of the terror attacks in New York and Washington while other Palestinians held a vigil in Jerusalem in sympathy with the United States. ''God bless them,'' Arafat said as medical staff prepared to draw his blood in Gaza Shifa hospital. Palestinian officials said his donation would be the start of a blood drive for the casualties of Tuesday's attacks. Nice. It was unclear if arrangements had been made to transfer the blood from Gaza and the West Bank to the United States. This blood will not be suitable for diabetics because of the vast amounts of candy ingested by the Palestinians celebrating the destruction in NY and Wash. I hope they put labels on. We know how much they care. Thousands of Israelis donated blood Wednesday, health officials said. Dozens of Palestinian men, women and children gathered in front of the U.S. Consulate in East Jerusalem, lighting candles and placing flowers along its walls. Some of the placards they carried read: ``Terror is our common enemy'' and ``We are victims too.'' Good one. Tuesday, some in the West Bank city of Nablus and Arab East Jerusalem rejoiced publicly after hijacked planes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (news - web sites). Palestinian lawmaker Hanan Ashrawi told a news conference the celebrations were ``misguided'' and ``aberrations'' motivated by a feeling among Palestinians that they have been victims of U.S. backing for Israel. What does this mean??? At least 569 Palestinians and 165 Israelis have been killed since a Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation began last September after peace talks stalled. Israel has used U.S.-made weapons, including F-16 warplanes and Apache helicopters, in some of the fighting. HORROR MOVIE Many Palestinians spent a sleepless night glued to television sets as they followed the developments in New York and Washington. ``I thought I was watching a Hollywood horror movie...I couldn't believe my eyes,'' Mohammad Khaled, 20, a student in Ramallah in the West Bank, told Reuters. ``We the Palestinians are human beings and we don't celebrate when others are mourning,'' 42-year-old housewife Amal Qassem told Reuters from Bethlehem. That's right. The pictures on TV are phony. ``Although Israel hits us every day with American Apache helicopters and uses American weapons to kill our people, we send our condolences to the families of the victims,'' she said. Arafat condemned the attacks as a ``terrible act'' Tuesday and said he would help track down those responsible if asked by the Americans. Palestinians have slammed the United States, alleging bias toward Israel in the Middle East conflict. They have burned U.S. flags during the nearly year-old revolt. And what did they do BEFORE the year old revolt? TRAGEDY SHOULD NOT BE EXPLOITED Many who spoke to Reuters Wednesday said they feared Israel would exploit the events in the United States to portray the Arabs and Muslims as ``terrorists.'' That's right the Arabs and Muslims who flew the planes into the 3 landmarks are NOT terrorists. They are student pilots. Arafat delayed a planned visit to Syria Wednesday in the aftermath of the attacks. Palestinian officials said he put on hold all plans and meetings and his office was monitoring developments with concern. If I were he, I'd be very concerned right now. For some Palestinian officials the attacks dealt a heavy blow to hopes for direct U.S. involvement to end the bloodshed and revive the peace process. ``Of course we have differences with the Americans because America supports Israel but we do not accept this tragedy against the Americans. This is a terrible terrorist act,'' said Nadia Hamadan, 33, from Nablus. Thanks Nadia for clarifying that. Palestinian analyst Ghassan al-Khatib said the ``human tragedy'' in the United States should not be exploited for political gains by making Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims look like the ``bad guys.'' Nah. This isn't Hollywood. This is real life. Why would anybody think that the people who murdered tens of thousands of people in NY and Washington are bad guys? Bill Shannon doesn't think so. He knows who the real bad guys are. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and
Re: [CTRL] Kris and Listers. Lift all message restrictions.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/12/01 9:37:25 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would like all message restrictions lifted for the duration of the crisis. If others agree, let's do it. 7 per day from you Zev is more than enough!! Bill. I don't remember anyone asking your permission asshole. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- jews arent white if by white you refer to a certain culture. specifically european ruling culture This is not true anymore. Jews were allowed to become White Guys with the civil rights movement in the 60's. Only after that did they get into elite positions in government and Big Biz. J2 race is all bullshit anyway -- -- -- -- -- Planet spins - so do I neo-sufi wisdom NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:43:11 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- At 11:52 PM 9/8/01 -0400, thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- ive' known blond jews - plenty of them -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Nonetheless, the fact remains that blond, nordic, scandanavian, etc. are racial code words that the left uses to impute whiteness and it's political attributes (white skin privilege, white racism, white supremacists) to those of European origin identified as enemies of the left. Blond Jews are never identified as white, unless the left is seeking to undermine or discredit them. Hillary's onetime political guru, Michael Lerner, published an essay in his magazine, Tikkun, entitled Jews are not White. Get it? He wrote that for your education. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] a core Commie belief
-Caveat Lector- Damian B. Cooper wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 06:55 PM 9/9/01 -0400, Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits thereof. But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE POWER STRUCTURE and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups ridiculous, unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and brainwashed to do. So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for more power it serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power, it's a monopoly. This idiotic proposition seems to be the foundation for a lot of the hard left's belief system: Only the majority can be racists Only minorities can be victims I'm not talking about racism. I'm talking about power. And considering that the power structure has always been white, and has always exploited non whites as slaves and cheap labor ( yes, and poor whites too,) then my argument stands. I would like to know what is historical origin of this notion? The US Constitution. It seems to me that it at least mirrors Lenin's dichotomizing of the Russian revolutionists into Bolsheviks (majority) and Mensheviks (minority), but in a paradoxically reversed way. I don't know nor care about what Lenin says. Majorities always have at least the potential of mass power. J2 I doubt that Lenin thought it up himself. Whose idea was he spouting? DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- Damian B. Cooper wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 06:29 PM 9/9/01 -0400, Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- ive' known blond jews - plenty of them In case you haven't noticed, Cooper is racist. No. I haven't noticed that Cooper is a racist. I have noticed that Nurev Ind. is a libeler, a name-caller, and a defamer. Ouch! That hurts coming from a racist. Hence the notion that insulting blonds is equal to insulting white christians. I am a blond Jew. I wasn't insulted by the reference to blond-ism, but that isn't really the same. You weren't insulted because you're not white. Jews are not white. Of course Jews are White. They are as caucasian as any other White group. Only Christian bigots considered them non-white. I didn't say that. Adolf Hitler didn't say that. David Duke didn't say that. Hillary's guru and Jewish supremacist Michael Lerner said that in his publication Tikkun. So? Who the hell is Lerner? Poor White Guys. The erosion of their power is scary. Life is sure tough these days. True. True. True. And us Poor White Guys know that our disempowerment is premeditated and intended. Perpetrated by Rich White Guys. And we know that people like you rejoice in our disempowerment. Oh the joy. And we know that you rejoice in our disempowerment because you are a bigot. You poor white guys don't have any power. Never did. You're just afraid to lose your illusions of power. Next thing you know someone will try to give blond blue eyed Aryans a bad name. You are suggesting that blond blue eyed people have a bad name? How long have you harbored this negative racist stereotype of blond blue eyed people? Some of my best friends are blond blue eyed people. Including my kid, and myself. Have you sought counseling to overcome this inexplicable and ignorant bigotry. Nah. J2 DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Jerusalem Arabs celebrate attacks in USA]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Jerusalem Arabs celebrate attacks in USA Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:27:54 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerusalem Arabs celebrate attacks in USA Aaron Lerner Date: 11 September 2001 Israel Radio reported this afternoon that the Arabs of eastern Jerusalem are celebrating the attacks against America. They are handing out candy to the children on Sultan Suleiman Street and celebrating. Dr. Aaron Lerner, Director IMRA (Independent Media Review Analysis) (mail POB 982 Kfar Sava) Tel 972-9-7604719/Fax 972-3-5480092 INTERNET ADDRESS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pager 03-610666 subscriber 4811 IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis Website: www.imra.org.il For free regular subscription: Subscribe at no charge: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For free daily digest subscription: Subscribe at no charge: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For a copy of all reports distributed for a given day please send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The Bombings -- Start Taking Notes
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] The Bombings -- Start Taking Notes Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:49:33 -0700 From: Mike Ruppert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CIA Drugs list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now is the time that all of us need to be the best investigators that we can possibly be. I suggest that, in the earliest moments, some of us take responsibility for monitoring CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and MS-NBC to log reports as they come in. As with previous stories of lesser magnitude our strengths lay in keeping side by side evaluations and watching for discrepancies and alterations. Nurev is on it. J2 Effective response and evaluation will be based upon fact and careful analysis. These first minutes and hours are critical and we will never have them again. Please try to avoid speculation as you what will happen or who did what. We only waste the precious minutes that we have that will never be here again. Whatever is going to happen is now beyond our control. It is already too late to change these immediate events. I have the same fears as all of you. I strongly suspect that martial law will be imposed fairly quickly. Avoid speculation, please and become information vampires. Prayers and peace to all. Mike Ruppert www.copvcia.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Good source for news
-Caveat Lector- www.journaliststoolbox.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] information and tenant data for the World Trade Center Towers to help officials and media
-Caveat Lector- Group CoStar Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: CSGP), the Internet based, leading provider of information services to the U.S. commercial real estate industry, is releasing building specific information and tenant data for the World Trade Center Towers to help officials and media to adequately assess and identify the tenants leasing space on the affected floors. At full occupancy, the two towers combined have approximately 45,000 people occupying space based on the typical ratio of employees per square foot. Each tower is a total of 4.7 million square feet. North Tower Building Information North Tower Tenants North Tower Typical Floor Plate South Tower Building Information South Tower Tenants South Tower Typical Floor Plan For more information contact: Richard Ellis Phone: 301-280-7692 Pamela Silberman Phone: 301-280-3808 Craig Beckjord Phone: 301-280-7679 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] - U.S. Troops have just left from Puerto Rico to the Panama Canal.
-Caveat Lector- From: Alberto M. Giordano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: U.S. Troops Head to Panama Canal September 11, 2001 Please Distribute Widely Dear Colleagues, In the wake of today's multiple attacks on the Pentagon, the State Department, the World Trade Towers and possibly other targets, the Narco Newsroom has been scouring the Latin American press for information that has not appeared in English. We report the following information: - U.S. Troops have just left from Puerto Rico to the Panama Canal. (This, on the heels of our report about U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell's secret visit to Panama and to the Howard Air Base near the canal last week). - Powell was in Lima, Peru, this morning, and was evacuated from the National Palace there. - One press report places U.S. president George Bush at a military base in Louisiana, on the Gulf of Mexico. Of course, we do not know the significance or relation of these reports to the global events in process. We have published this information in more detail on Narco News: http://www.narconews.com/ We will continue monitoring the situation within Our América and report it to our readers. From somewhere in a country called América, Al Giordano Publisher The Narco News Bulletin http://www.narconews.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe for free alerts of new reports: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/narconews A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Who is the DFLP?
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: STRATFOR Real-Time Analysis: Who is the DFLP? S T R A T F O R THE GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE COMPANY http://www.stratfor.com 11 September 2001 Who is the DFLP? 1515 GMT, 010911 The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) has reportedly claimed responsibility for the attacks on the World Trade Center. This report, fromm a television station in Abu Dhabi, in unconfirmed. The DFLP was formed in 1969 with an estimated membership of 500. It was originally based in Syria, but the location of its current headquarters are unknown. The DFLP receives financial and military aid from Syria and Libya. It operates in Syria, Lebanon, Israel and the occupied territories. Its leader is Naif Hawatmeh, according to Israeli-based Interdisciplinary Center. The group was largely dormant from 1988 until this summer, when it claimed responsibility for an Aug. 25 attack against an Israeli military post in the Gaza Strip that left three Israeli soldiers dead. This attack was the first instance of Palestinians successfully using conventional military-style tactics. Before this year, DFLP operations have always taken place either inside Israel or the West Bank and Gaza. Typical acts include minor bombings and grenade attacks, as well as operations to seize hostages and attempts to negotiate the return of Israeli- held Palestinian prisoners. The group split from the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) years ago, but reconciled with the PFLP - and with Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat - in August 1999. The attacks differ significantly from the DFLP's previous methods of operation. Likewise, the resources and infrastructure necessary for such attacks are far beyond the group's traditional means. Either the DFLP's claims are spurious, or it has joined forces with other groups. ___ Austin Office 700 Lavaca, Suite 405 Austin, TX 78701 Phone: 512-744-4300 http://www.stratfor.com/media Understand the globe, with intelligence. Copyright 2001, Strategic Forecasting, LLC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How it works: Arab Group Advises Talking points on the catastrophe
-Caveat Lector- Arab Group Advises Talking points on the catastrophe - Original Message - From: Mazin Qumsiyeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:38 PM Subject: [*** LLP ***] Talking points on the catastrophe Talking points on the catastrophe Many have already been contacted by the media for commentary on the attacks in NYC and Washington. Here are possible talking points: 1) This is an awful catstrophe 2) Our first thoughts must be with the victims. 3) We condemn acts of terror in the strongest possible ways. 4) It is important not to jump to conclusions about who or how this was caused and to wait for the situation to be clear. No need to say anything else. Mazin Qumsiyeh Chair, Al-Awda Media Committee (with input from Ali Abunimah) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yes, J2, I know lots about Damn Yankees, thank you for asking. This State produces a huge number of very gifted athletes, How many gifted scientists does the state produce? the majority of whom are Black by far. Although sometimes exploited, the majority go on the success that they would not have access to otherwise. You've got to be kidding. It is their only ticket to financial opportunities on that scale. It's not their ONLY ticket. They could actually get an education and go into some productive line of work instead of stupid entertainment. While I do enjoy football, it is not an obsession and I mostly am proud and happy to see these kids doing well. I hope some day you will develop a heart. What does that have to do with football? J2 ~Amelia~not holding her breath - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ah, thank you for yet another lesson in how tolerance works. Silly me used to think it went both ways but I have come to understand differently from my encounter with you folks. Both topics are addressed in the New Testament, sort of updated if you will. We are even allowed to eat shrimp. There is also an admonition about calling that which is clean, unclean and that which is good, evil but you wouldn't like that part either. And, J2, I happen to know that God loves football, especially college and I even know which one is his favorite team. Hint: how else could a school with only 7,000 enrollment win the National Champ six times? Sort of a David and Goliath thing. Didn't you see Damn Yankees??? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well, J2, I pretty well know what you will say in response to my question but I was hoping the person who made the claim would respond. So you really think the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (I am told this family is Jewish by many who know everything) They are Baptists and Episcopalians. Not Jewish sects as far as I know. and power elite hang out on these lists? How many international bankers do you think participate? These people are as oppressed as anybody else by TPTB. I live in Appalachia and see oppression all the time and they have been completely by-passed by every social program that has come down the pike because of thinking like yours and because they are white. Bullshit. Many of the original poverty programs were set up with these people in mind. And what is the cause for their oppression? It's not their color. It's not their religion. What could it be? There has been no outcry allowed for their injustices just because they are white. No special programs for them, nothing. The poorest of the poor that I have ever personally encountered are white, usually very white. They live in houses with some rooms with dirt floors NOW and I do not know any blacks or Hispanics who do this. Well I do. I worked in Harlen and the South Bronx. Anyhow, this isn't a suffering contest. No one should live like this. Their children are malnourished and they do not qualify for welfare because to get that, they would have to give up their home and it is all they have and has been in their family forever. Go a bit farther South and you hit Cajun country, a veritable nest of power and wealth?? Well, they are white, aren't they? I guess they just want to live like that. I do not think that the powerful have made any difference in their exploitation. Then you understand nothing. It is about poverty and oppression and socio-economics and not about skin color. They are equal opportunity oppressors. Attempting to render middle-class whites powerless when they do not have any more power than anybody else is really alienating them. Because there are more of them does not make their difficulties any less valid. Because they do not riot and complain and whine does not mean they have life any easier than any other group. I just don't buy your 'justification' at all and if it is not only OK but commendable for one ethnic group to promote and defend themselves, it is for ALL to do so. Poor whites can't defend themselves as an ethnic group since the White ethnic group is in control. But they can defend themselves as a social or economic class together with other ethnic groups who suffer poverty for the same reason. Capitalism. No one can take seriously a group who whines about the horrors of being White in America. Whites have just as much right to their own culture as any other ethnic group. Absolutely. Reverse discrimination is as morally wrong as direct discrimination and that is all this is and that is what you condoning. I don't condon this. I also think this race-baiting by minorities has gone too far. As for these people being so stupid, please point out to me the more enlightened ethnic organizations. Let me guess. Could the initials be ADL, based on your prior claims to more education and sophistication. These poor whites lack all of that so who has the real advantage? Being in the majority does NOT make any group automatically racist. Not automatically. They have to work at it. J2 ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese How is this racist? How is it different from the NAACP, the ADL or any other organization established for the promotion of an ethnic group? It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits thereof. But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE POWER STRUCTURE and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups ridiculous, unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and brainwashed to do. So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for more power it serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power, it's a monopoly. That's the difference Amelia. J2 See their statement of purpose below. Is is solely because they are 'white' for what other difference is there? Are you stating
Re: [CTRL] Deepening Rifts Between Jews and PalestiniansInsideIsrael
-Caveat Lector- Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/06/2001 5:44:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody is making them stay are they? They can leave anytime. Just like my ancestors did. Just like your ancestors did. Just like all Americans' ancestors did whaen they didn't like where they were. Right? Well that depends. My ancestors left England and Italy voluntarily. They may have suffered from poverty, but no one was shooting at them or slapping them around just for standing there. Do tell me about your ancestors. My ancestors were slapped around and shot at and knifed by your ancestors. Those who weren't killed were forcibly expelled. My immediate ancestors were simply exterminated. They didn't really have the option to leave because no country would take them in. As long as there is a Jewish state of Israel, that won't happen again. My ancestors were accepted into the United States of course. Perhaps we should invite any Palestinians who wish to leave the hallowed land of Israel to come here. Great idea. They could move in with you. They could become U.S. citizens and visit Israel to vote in local elections. Sounds good to me. Prudy Me too. They could move to Detroit and send suicide bombers to New York in protest of that Zionist Entity. Good job Prudy. Any more on this? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hitler went after the Masons, the Jehovah Witnesses, the Rosicrucians, the jews in general, but first he took the big guns away did he not and he failed to do one important thing - he did not go after the Zoinists, in fact they got along quite well. Zionists are murdering American Giants only the American Giants do not give a rats ass for they have taken their big bucks elsewhere - no longer do you see the big gasoline stations along the way and let us say Burma Shave signs? Well lots of whites in the country quietly unite and with their big guns await the Zionist at the door in disguise - it is beginning, haven't you noticed? Black Death is already at the door - those who will be saved will be the ones who do not intermingle with blacks and queers and sodomists or whatever you call these people Gay Priders - with Brindle Brown Rainbow creatures waiting to take over white man's dreams - Way to get rid of the garbage - cut off the welfare, vote no and watch the run for freedom elsewhere. All problems are economic and to tell the truth I am sick of reading about 6 million jews being killed in holocaust to the exclusion of the 55 million others also killed primarily the American Soldier who was told he was fighting for the Constitution, who is now told - hey you died for the jews and gypsies and homosexuals and lesbians - what a pile of shit. America can be great again - no more melting pot where the scum also rises with the aid of the executioner's songs. Saba You're off your drugs again aren't you looney bird? Didn't your doctor warn you about this? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deepening Rifts Between Jews andPalestiniansInsideIsrael
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/10/01 4:43:36 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My immediate ancestors were simply exterminated. They didn't really have the option to leave because no country would take them in. As long as there is a Jewish state of Israel, that won't happen again. It won't happen to Jews maybe but at what expense? Not more than 6,000,000. Killing and torturing the rightful owners of that plot of property? Rightful owners??? You don't get to decide who the rightful owners are. They could become U.S. citizens and visit Israel to vote in local elections. Sounds good to me. Prudy Me too. They could move to Detroit and send suicide bombers to New York in protest of that Zionist Entity. The zionist entity in America is bound by the laws of a civilized land so they'd be treated as humans here unlike the way your lot treats them, hence no need for drastic measures I'm sure. Your a funny guy Bill. Why don't you ask the Jordanians, the Lebanese, and the Kuwaitis if they think your statement is right out of your ass bearing absolutely no resemblance to actual history. J2 Bill. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dismantle Covert Agencies
-Caveat Lector- Nakano Nakamura wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time to do away with covert federal programs like the CIA and NSA. Every covert agency in our government must be abolished. Period. Demand it. Dismantle them. Now. ___ Nakano comments: Someone once tried to do this. I will break the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the four winds. -President John F. Kennedy (Nov. 1963) I'm afraid you are both right. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush 'faith-based' plan tied to Vatican hopes for USA
-Caveat Lector- RevCOAL wrote: -Caveat Lector- Am I the only person who sees an immigration red flag in the so-called faith-based approach to social services? The Catholic Church is one of the biggest boosters to opening the doors entirely as the Vatican anticipates the U.S. becoming a Catholic country within a few decades because of immigration from Latin America. Someone should tell this babe that the U.S. already IS a 'Catholic country', as Roman Catholicism has been the religion of the majority of U.S. citizens for the majority of the 20th century... She obviously has forgotten about all those Irish Catholics, Italian Catholics, Polish Catholics, Hungarian Catholics, Puerto Rican Catholics, etc. June I don't think this is right. I think that the Protestant superstition still has more adherents than the Catholic superstition does. But I'm not positive. However, opening the borders to South America will definitely give the Vatican even more influence than it already has in the USA. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Never, ever, ever, trust your elites: PALESTINIAN ELITES FLEE TO JORDAN
-Caveat Lector- PALESTINIAN ELITES FLEE TO JORDAN AMMAN Jordan has acknowledged the influx of thousands of Palestinians from the West Bank over the last eight months. Jordanian officials said nearly 200,000 Palestinians entered the Hashemite kingdom from the West Bank over the spring and summer and never returned. They said the Palestinians have been seeking long-term visas to remain indefinitely in the kingdom. The Palestinians include much of the elite in the West Bank as well as families of Palestinian Authority officials. The officials said they are uncertain over whether this marks policy by PA Chairman Yasser Arafat. So far, Jordanian leaders have not publicly complained about the Palestinian influx. But King Abdullah is said to have raised this issue with Arafat and has stressed that he will not allow the Palestinians to make Jordan an alternative homeland. For his part, Jordanian Prime Minister Ali Abu Ragheb has denied that Palestinians from the West Bank have remained in the kingdom. He said about 180,000 West Bankers entered Jordan so far this year. All but 5,000 have since returned. Jordan is a state founded on solid grounds with its institutions and leadership, Abu Ghareb said. God willing, the Palestinian state will rise on Palestinian soil while Jordan is and will remain the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan. At the same time, the prime minister said Jordan will not allow the transfer of Palestinians to the kingdom. Abu Ragheb blamed Israel for the concerns expressed in Jordan. [MIDDLE EAST NEWSLINE - Thursday, 6 Sept 2001] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ah, thank you for yet another lesson in how tolerance works. Silly me used to think it went both ways but I have come to understand differently from my encounter with you folks. Both topics are addressed in the New Testament, sort of updated if you will. We are even allowed to eat shrimp. There is also an admonition about calling that which is clean, unclean and that which is good, evil but you wouldn't like that part either. And, J2, I happen to know that God loves football, especially college and I even know which one is his favorite team. Hint: how else could a school with only 7,000 enrollment win the National Champ six times? Sort of a David and Goliath thing. Didn't you see Damn Yankees??? J2 Interesting how an innocuous post about lightening becomes that target of religious hatred. Consider the source. ~Amelia~ This is not about religious hatred. It's about hatred of football. I can't tell which is more offensive to you. J2 - Original Message - From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football practice -Caveat Lector- From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:12:28 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football practice Just an item of local interest for this was one of those mysterious episodes of lightening on a clear day with no rain, clouds, etc. So what is one to do? Assume lightening can strike at any time? Could this be manufactured and weather mod or Woodpecker Redux? Not at all. GOD HATES FOOTBALL. its all in Leviticus. the same book of the bible that condemns homosexuality also says that handle the flesh of a pig is anathema. interesting how some people take one line as the inviolable word of god, and the other as something unimportant to disregard J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- ive' known blond jews - plenty of them In case you haven't noticed, Cooper is racist. Hence the notion that insulting blonds is equal to insulting white christians. I am a blond Jew. I wasn't insulted by the reference to blond-ism, but that isn't really the same. Poor White Guys. The erosion of their power is scary. Life is sure tough these days. Next thing you know someone will try to give blond blue eyed Aryans a bad name. J2 -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - -- - -- - Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. Henrik Ibsen NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:58:06 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit The fact that Condit's family is blond, hence NOT black, NOT hispanic, NOT Asian, and NOT Jewish, A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese How is this racist? How is it different from the NAACP, the ADL or any other organization established for the promotion of an ethnic group? It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits thereof. But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE POWER STRUCTURE and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups ridiculous, unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and brainwashed to do. So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for more power it serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power, it's a monopoly. That's the difference Amelia. J2 See their statement of purpose below. Is is solely because they are 'white' for what other difference is there? Are you stating that it is racist for whites to do the identical actions of other races or ethnic groups and that it is only racist for whites to do so? Amelia European American Issues Forum Purpose Statement European/American Issues Forum CW Kuhn, Secretary--M. Piercy, Treasurer--FP Williams, Sgt. at Arms Louis Calabro, President--Aida T. Cordano, Vice President The Principal Purposes of the European/American Issues Forum are: 1. To offer a safe and comfortable place for European-Americans to discuss social, economic, cultural, political and related issues that particularly affect European-Americans in Northern California and beyond. 2. To promote the general welfare of our members. 3. To honor our heritage through celebration, recognition and education. 4. To minimize the effects of racial, ethnic and national origin discrimination and defamation on its members, and to likewise recognize an identical privilege in behalf of all other groups. 5. To educate European-Americans and other cultural and ethnic groups about the richly textured diversity, values, languages, cultures and contributions of European-Americans. 6. To protest unfair and biased descriptions of European-Americans in educational institutions and the communications media. 7. To encourage and support the establishment of similar forums in each city and county of northern California and beyond Adopted April 26,1997 Louis Calabro President EAIF Home A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JEWS, COMMUNISM and CIVIL RIGHTS
-Caveat Lector- Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- Not necessarily so Mr. Cooper for the Grand Dragon then was a friend of mine, named Marvin Miller... Always liked him - I had researched the KKK and discovered the real KKK used masonic rituals and were Knights of Golden Circle. Skin heads and these thugs you see in the streets, are not Klansmen. Real KKK you never see; problem today thougoh more FBI in KKK than KKK? I had an Uncle who was Secret Service and KKK - and in our town when kids our janitor was KKK with big mouth and one night let us say there was a stranger at midnight that beat the hell out of him. My father was an Irish Catholic - and remember talk of the Black Legion in the area Oh I know enough about the REAL KKK and its rituals and masonic rituals to know and today I guess, no longer sword to chest when sworn in but submachine gun? I do know this - at one time the KKK was comprised of literate, and aristocratic gentlemen - John Glenn's parents were KKK The KGB formed its own little KKK for the Walker spiesremember them? Well well that bunch got caught, 5 dragons burned their robes and went back to sleep. So do not worried about my fractured mind - worry about your obvious intention is questioning my letter? Then read Romans 12 and go Climb Stone Mountain. Saba From Old Southen Family on Mother's Side who knows a Know Nothing from a Klansman. Finally. The truth about Saba bubles to the surface like a fart in the bathtub. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 14-year-old struck by lightning during football practice
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Just an item of local interest for this was one of those mysterious episodes of lightening on a clear day with no rain, clouds, etc. So what is one to do? Assume lightening can strike at any time? Could this be manufactured and weather mod or Woodpecker Redux? Not at all. GOD HATES FOOTBALL. J2 Several band members were also struck. This child is in critical condition. ~Amelia~ 14-year-old struck by lightning during football practice VERNON, September 7 -- A Lamar County junior varsity football player is in a Birmingham hospital after a bolt of lightning struck him Thursday afternoon on the practice field. Authorities say 14-year-old Ben Barrow, a ninth grader at Lamar County High School was hit by lightning at about 4:15 p.m. Vernon Fire Chief Larry DuBose said there were no clouds or rain and there was little warning of bad weather. Barrow was among several students, including football players and band members who were hit by lightning. He was the only student seriously injured. The others were sent to a hospital as a precautionary measure. Barrow was taken to Fayette Medical Center by ambulance, and then airlifted to Children's Hospital in Birmingham, where he's listed in critical condition. The National Weather Service said there have been at least 12 injuries and one fatality from lightning strikes in Alabama this year. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Debunking Durban]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Debunking Durban Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 05:57:34 -0500 From: Honest Reporting [EMAIL PROTECTED] HonestReporting Communique 06 September 2001 DEBUNKING DURBAN * * * Dear HonestReporting Member, This week the international media gave HonestReporting a pleasant surprise: They blasted the UN Conference on Racism for its unfair treatment of Israel. Here is a collection of 4 commentaries from around the world. HonestReporting members can read the full articles online, and send letters to the editor. Thank you for your ongoing involvement in the battle against media bias. HonestReporting.com == (1) THE GUARDIAN (UK) - Hate-Hate Relationship http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,546969,00.html Even traditionally anti-Israel publications, such as the Guardian (UK), joined in the near-universal condemnation of the Durban conference. After dispensing with the Guardian's standard Israel-bashing, columnist Linda Grant unleased surprising critisism at pro-Arab groups, accusing them of undermining the Palestinian cause: [A]dhering to the belief that Zionism is racism does not necessarily absolve you from being virulently racist yourself. Jews who have been active in movements such as Peace Now and Gush Shalom, engaged in what we hoped would be constructive debate about finding a just settlement between Israel and the Palestinians, have already come across some of the anti-Jewish racism which has been pervading the Durban racism conference all week... A very simple truth has emerged out of the debacle of the Durban conference: that you don't fight racism with more racism, and, unfortunately, as the conference revealed, the Zionism is racism doctrine is fostering a climate of increased racial prejudice. You have to ask how the disgraceful treatment of Jewish (and not just Israeli) delegates, the breaking up of meetings, or the hate literature has aided the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank in any way -- or whether it has tarnished and weakened their cause. Letters to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * (2) THE IRISH TIMES - Kevin Meyers http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/opinion/2001/0831/opt5.htm [T]he dismal charade in Durban, where Israel alone is being singled out for attention as a racist state... is such an absurdity, such a contradiction of the living, breathing truth, that one is almost lost for words, as one would be if one had to rebut the accusation that Saudi Arabia is too tolerant of public lesbianism. Two minutes in any Israeli street will tell you of the racial complexity of the modern Jewish state; and any doubts about how broadly Israel defines Jewishness were rebutted by the vast airlift of the coal-black Falashas from Ethiopia 20 years ago... I am absolutely sure that no Israeli government has ever broadcast anything to compare with the virulently genocidal and anti-Semitic filth emanating from its neighbours. Letters to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * (3) THE AGE (AUSTRALIA) - UN Reaps Its Bitter Harvest http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/2001/09/06/FFX48TG08RC.html [T]he condemnation of Israel [is] all the more repellent, since Israel is the only Middle Eastern nation whose political and legal structures can seriously be claimed to reflect those principles [of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights]. This is not to say that Israel is blameless in its treatment of the Palestinians, or that the Palestinians have no right to a state of their own. But it does mean that the equation of Zionism and racism is unconscionable, and that the conference's main achievement has been to dramatise the gulf between the declared ideals of the UN and the willingness of some of its forums and many of its member states to adhere to those ideals... UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan once said that the General Assembly's resolution condemning Zionism as a form of racism was a low point in the organisation's history. That resolution has been repealed, but sadly, its destructive legacy continues. Letters to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * (4) FINANCIAL TIMES - Deadlock in Durban http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftcpagename=Viewc=Articlecid=FT368TH18RClive=true When Kofi Annan, the UN secretary-general, opened the event in Durban, he urged the delegates not to pick on any one country or region. His words apparently fell on deaf ears. All efforts so far to prevent Israel from being singled out for particular censure have failed... That is not to say that Israel's policies towards the Palestinians cannot or should not be criticised. The Palestinians have real grievances and few forums in which to express them. But to accuse Israel of racism without mentioning Russia's actions in Chechnya, for example, or China's colonisation of Tibet, or even government-supported racist acts in neighbouring Zimbabwe, is one-sided and absurd. The trouble is that from the start the conference was hijacked by special
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Enquirer - Peter Bronson - January 12, 1997
-Caveat Lector- ashley Abraham wrote: -Caveat Lector- Holy Cripes! You just keep saying the same crap OVER and OVER and OVER again! The whole world does not revolve around Meyer Lanskey and Larry Flint. A little (heavy on the little) knowledge. And don't you think it is just possible that some men are pigs and will screw anything? They don't have to be baited by Israeli agents. My guess is that you have zero experience with men. -Ashley That's not what my sources tell me. I heard she sells tickets at 14 cents a pop. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deepening Rifts Between Jews and Palestinians InsideIsrael
-Caveat Lector- Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/06/2001 2:03:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Israeli Palestinians Fight Official Discrimination Ahh to be an Israeli Arab in Israel. Prudy Nobody is making them stay are they? They can leave anytime. Just like my ancestors did. Just like your ancestors did. Just like all Americans' ancestors did whaen they didn't like where they were. Right? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Remember when HMOs were going to provide affordable health care for everyone?
-Caveat Lector- It's time to do away with for profit health care. Costs will always rise where the system must cover its own costs AND profits for businessmen and corporations. It's time for Socialized medicine. -- Nurev Employer health-plan premiums rise; fewer jobs offering insurance By THERESA AGOVINO Associated Press NEW YORK (September 6, 2001 09:42 a.m. EDT) - Premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance plans have climbed 11 percent this year - the biggest jump in nearly a decade - pushing companies to consider requiring workers to pay more out of their own pockets while reversing a growing trend of more companies offering coverage. From the spring of 2000 to the spring of 2001, annual premiums for employer-sponsored plans grew to $2,650 for single coverage and $7,053 for family coverage, according to a study of 2,734 companies conducted by the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research Educational Trust. The previous year, premiums increased an average of 8.3 percent, while premiums rose 4.8 percent in 1999. This year's increase has employers thinking about shifting more of the cost to employees - a prospect more palatable since the red-hot job market has cooled, making it more difficult for workers to jump ship should they be upset by changes in benefits. According to the study, being released Thursday, 44 percent of companies were either very likely or somewhat likely to increase employee premium costs in the next year. Workers pay an average of $30 a month for single coverage and $150 a month for family coverage. It is interesting to see how quickly you can see the effect of rising premiums in a slowing economy, said Larry Levitt, co-author of the study and vice president of the Kaiser Family Foundation. The time of increases in health care costs being offset by employers has come to a screeching halt. That's unlikely to change unless the economy drastically improves because other organizations that track health care costs are forecasting double digit increases for 2002. For example, management consulting firm Towers Perrin predicts health care costs will rise nearly 11 percent next year. Meanwhile, the rising costs are causing fewer companies to offer health benefits. From 1998 to 2000, the percentage of companies offering health benefits grew from 55 percent to 67 percent, according to the Kaiser study. This year, the percentage dropped to 65 percent. Levitt said once companies start offering insurance, they rarely drop it. Yet, he fears as small businesses offering health insurance close because the economic slowdown, they will be replaced by other small companies who simply don't offer the option. There are just no new ideas for controlling costs. I think we are going to see a lot more bad news, Levitt said. The trend of shifting the cost of health care to the worker has already taken root in some companies. For example, the average deductible for an employee choosing a doctor outside the network in a Preferred Provider Organization grew from $361 last year to $407 this year. Co-payments for prescription drugs increased to $20 this year from $16 last year. Still, from 1996 to 2001, the percentage of the premium a single employee paid dropped to 14 percent in 2000 from 21 percent in 1996. It did increase to 15 percent this year. However, the percentage paid for family coverage has been constant at 27 percent or 28 percent for the last five years. Employee costs have increased slightly even as the percentage of the premium they pay has remained constant. This year, single coverage rose $2 to $30 a month; family coverage rose $12 to $150. Employers primarily blame the premium hikes on prescription drug costs. Sixty-four percent of employers say drug spending contributed a lot to the overall costs. Other factors cited as cost drivers were higher spending on hospital and physician care, insurance company profits and better medical technology. Employers say that even though the economy has cooled and they don't fear losing employees, they still don't want to pass through rising health care costs - even though many are. Rochester, N.H.-based Enterasys Networks Inc. has seen its health care premiums rise for the past three years. This year costs for the two plans it offers workers rose an average of 18 percent. As a result, the computer networking company plans to increase employee premiums Jan. 1, $10 for singles to $45 or $55, and by $20 to $25, to $155 or $185, for families. We hate passing costs forward but we had to. We just couldn't eat it all again this year, said Michael Newman, manager of compensation and benefits. Both the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research Educational Trust are nonprofit think tanks that focus on health care. --- This article is protected by copyright and should not be printed or distributed for anything except
Re: [CTRL] Battling online hate
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- seeing as there are many citizens who are not jewish, and not of the indigenous arabic populations, (eg many christians are citizens) i guess it is clear that there are non jewish immigrant citizens in israel, no? -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - He who does not prefer exile to slavery is not free by any measure of freedom, truth and duty. Kahil Gibran, Spirits Rebellious NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:23:54 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Battling online hate That non Jewish immigrants are NOT entitled to Israel citizenship? Please enlighten me. flw Haven't we just been through this? Think what you like, and let's just move on to another point of contention. This is like dealing with a severely retarded Irish Setter. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battling online hate
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- If you don't like the label don't make national socialist arguments like: 1) Approving of using race / religion as a test for national citizenship; Don't know what your talking about. I don't support any country that does that. J2 You have repeatedly defended Israeli citizenship policy. Israel only grants citizenship to those born out of Israel to religious Jews or those deemed to have the proper racial / ethnic background. Israeli born Arabs are by law treated differently then Israeli born Jews. Israeli Arabs are legally discriminated against. You approve of this. 2) Approving and advocating censorship; Approving certain types of censorship doesn't a nazi make. It just bothers YOU. J2 I am embarrassed for you. I can advocate a socialist context if I want. That still doesn't make me a nazi. If you are frustrated with the failure of your politics, that's your problem. J2 You are a neo national socialist. Do you think that you have to write in German, run around giving the one arm salute, in order for you to qualify as a national socialist? National socialists come in all ethnic, religious forms. I have long ago stopped being frustrated by politics. It is unfortunately the human condition to kill and hate. The best we can do is try to occasionally expose the oppressors (and wanna be oppressors). The worst kind are the sanctimonious statists (socialists). When you get beneath their layers of sanctimony, you always find a racialist police state promoter. flw Enjoy your little world Fred. I live in the real world where all kinds of things happen. And it isn't the state which is the ultimate bogeyman. You don't understand anything about what is going on in the Mid East. But you are sure that you think you do. Your world view has nothing to do with what's going on there. You don't understand the combatants on either side, and you don't understand what motivates either side. You think this about race and rights and freedom. That's just propaganda. It's not about any of those things. It's about survival and domination. To understand the real world, you need to understand that life is more important than ideology. Every creature with instinct seems to know that. Why don't you? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battling online hate
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- Don't call me a National Socialist mother fucker. That's over the line. Joshua2 If you don't like the label don't make national socialist arguments like: 1) Approving of using race / religion as a test for national citizenship; 2) Approving and advocating censorship; 3) Calling for ethnic cleansing or removal of ethnic populations from territory coveted by another country you approve of; 4) threatening violence against posters who you disapprove of; 5) pontificating all the above in a socialist context. By my definitionthat is a National Socialist. Your definitions are your business. They don't apply to me. When did I ever threaten you with violence eh? Do you just make up shit for the hell of it? Or is this your typical emotional masturbatory outlet? J2 Perhaps you prefer the term Frenetic Fascist? flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battling online hate
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- Don't call me a National Socialist mother fucker. That's over the line. Joshua2 If you don't like the label don't make national socialist arguments like: 1) Approving of using race / religion as a test for national citizenship; Don't know what your talking about. I don't support any country that does that. 2) Approving and advocating censorship; Approving certain types of censorship doesn't a nazi make. It just bothers YOU. 3) Calling for ethnic cleansing or removal of ethnic populations from territory coveted by another country you approve of; Why don't you show me where I called for this? Your just a damn liar. 4) threatening violence against posters who you disapprove of; Don't play games asshole. I never threatened you. 5) pontificating all the above in a socialist context. I can advocate a socialist context if I want. That still doesn't make me a nazi. If you are frustrated with the failure of your politics, that's your problem. I don't need to conform to your idiotic political philosophy in any way whatsoever. And that too, doesn't make me a nazi. You could have called me a socialist, a statist, an anti capitalist, and you would not have been a lying shit. But instead you chose to go over the line buddy boy. J2 By my definitionthat is a National Socialist. Perhaps you prefer the term Frenetic Fascist? flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Christians Practicing Pagan Customs
-Caveat Lector- Bill Richer wrote: -Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Christians Practicing Pagan Customs By Chuck Baldwin August 28, 2001 Some have suggested that we have entered the post-Christian era of America. They are right. Despite the fact that millions of Americans regularly attend thousands of churches on any given Sunday, our culture has become decidedly pagan. Only a pagan culture would tolerate the legalized killing of unborn children. Only a pagan culture would give sexual deviancy political protection. Only a pagan culture would grant depraved people superstar status. Only a pagan culture would elect and re-elect known adulterers and homosexuals to high public office. Only a pagan culture would indoctrinate school children in secular humanism and atheistic evolution. But most importantly, ONLY pagan cultures worship humans as a deity. J2 Regrettably, the fact that well over one-third of the adults in the United States claim to be born-again Christians has done little to impact an ever-deteriorating culture. Instead, it seems that culture is having an impact on the church. Sometimes it is even difficult to tell where the one begins and the other ends. A recent news article reminded me of this reality. It said that in just a few short years, there would be as many cremations as burials in the United States. Once again, a Christian tradition has succumbed to a pagan one. Hebrews in the Old Testament distinguished themselves from their pagan neighbors by both their birth and their death. Shortly after birth, little Jewish boys were circumcised. This was in stark contrast to the myriad pagan nations that never circumcised their male children. At death, Jews were buried. This, too, was in stark contrast to the pagans who burned their dead. The New Testament carries forward this Hebrew custom. Nowhere is a Christian seen burning his dead. Imagine an urn replacing a tomb in the resurrection story! That is not to say that God cannot resurrect a body from ashes as easily as He can from dust. It is only to say that the Judeo-Christian custom for disposing of the dead is burial, not burning. The fact that so many Christians have adopted the pagan method for disposing of their dead (burning) is further evidence that America has lost its Christian heritage. Furthermore, the reason usually given for cremation is that it is substantially less expensive than burial is. Once again, Christians are opting for pragmatism over principle. It seems that virtually every decision we make today is predicated upon the premise that personal comfort or personal prosperity trumps every other consideration, even the consideration of how we dispose of the very people we should love and respect the most. As with so many issues, people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. If only we could awaken America's pulpits; then, perhaps more people would come to see the light. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Who's in charge here? Good puppet. Bad puppet.
-Caveat Lector- Washington Warns Arafat against Anti-US Offensive * DEBKAfile's Riyadh and Gulf sources discount the general explanation for the Palestinian leader's visit today to Jeddah, as being for an update on the efforts made by Saudi King Fahd and Crown Prince Abdullah to arrange for him to meet US President George W. Bush. Rather, Arafat, whom the Crown Prince summoned urgently from Durban, was discountenanced by being handed instead of an American invitation, an angry American warning. He was also taken aback by the number of high-ranking Saudi princes waiting for him with grave faces: the Crown Prince, foreign minister Saud el-Faisal, General Intelligence chief Nawaf Bin Abdulaziz, ambassador to Washington Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, who is the son of the defense minister, and Abdullah's two most senior advisers, Emir Abdulaziz Bin Abdullah and Emir Dr. Bandar Ben Salman. DEBKAfile's sources report that the Saudis confronted Arafat with a pile of intelligence data handed over by the Americans to demonstrate that his intelligence and terrorist organs had set up a series of hits against US targets and interests n the Persian Gulf and Middle East, and were only waiting for Arafat's final signal to go. The Americans, said the princes, had a long list of complaints and wanted explanations, as too did the Saudis. They found the increasingly violent anti-American tone of the pronouncements issuing from Arafat and his top lieutenants intolerable. Washington was moreover deeply suspicious of the motive behind killing Saturday, September 1, of Taiseer Khatab, director of the office of the Palestinian General Intelligence Chief, Amin el-Hindi, in a car explosion in Gaza City. Khatab had close American connections going back some years. They are therefore far from sure that Khatab fell victim to Israel's targeted campaign against terrorists, and are trying to find out if he was not eliminated by one of Arafat's close henchmen, possibly even Tawfiq Tirawi, West Bank General Intelligence chief. If that is what happened, then the murder would look like an initial step in Arafat's anti-American offensive as a test for US responses. On the night after the killing, an urgent consultation took place among top officials of the Bush administration. It was decided that just in case Arafat was behind the murder, it was time to warn him off any further acts injurious to US interests. Ambassador Bandar was asked to recruit Crown Prince Abdullah to the task. More than one corner of the Middle East is suddenly astir in relation to Arafat's plans. Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak visits Damascus Monday, September 3, while Arafat is invited to Amman. Mubarak wants to talk President Bashar Assad out of inviting Arafat on September 12. According to DEBKAfile's Egyptian sources, Mubarak called Assad to set up his trip while King Abdullah of Jordan was sitting across from him in the presidential palace in Alexandria on Saturday, September 1. The Egyptian ruler assured Assad that the deepening Egyptian-Jordanian tie was not directed against Syria but at isolating Arafat; he invited the Syrian leader to join them. Assad did not reply but invited Mubarak to come over and discuss it. Arafat's visit to Amman for talks with King Abdullah arose out of the request from foreign minister Shimon Peres for a meeting. With the European Union foreign affair executive Javier Solana due in the region, the Europeans are leaning heavily on the Palestinian leader to meet Peres. Arafat complained he could not meet the Israeli foreign minister while himself under boycott from Arab rulers like Mubarak and Abdullah. The Jordanian king was therefore prevailed upon from Brussels to receive Arafat in Amman. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory
Re: [CTRL] Battling online hate
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- The ACLU said: It is particularly troublesome that an organisation like the Wiesenthal Center that is dedicated to promoting tolerance would seek to erode the liberty most necessary for a free and tolerant society - free speech. The most dispicable hate speech is speech that advocates censorship. flw Not even close. The most despicable hate speech drives people to murder. Your choice doesn't even make the top five. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How it works: Kyoto-License to Pollute?
-Caveat Lector- License to Pollute? Despite broad public, scientific and political consensus about the need for urgent action to combat climate change, greenhouse gas emissions continue to be spewed into the atmosphere at an ever-increasing rate. Years of negotiations have resulted in a mere 39 industrialised countries agreeing to a pitifully low collective reduction of 5.2 % by 2008-2012. [2] In fact, a global reduction of at least 60 - 70% percent is needed in the first half of the 21st century in order to avoid cataclysmic climate change due to global warming. The 1997 Kyoto Protocol was celebrated by the nations of the world as the first legally-binding treaty to set limits to greenhouse gas emissions. The climate debate entered quieter waters after Kyoto, and the negotiations have since circled around the three market-based 'solutions' enshrined in the Protocol- emissions trading, joint implementation (JI) and the Clean Development Mechanism (CDM). Emissions trading allows the 39 governments committed to collective reductions under the Protocol to trade the right to pollute among themselves. Under this scheme, due to start in 2008, a country might choose to buy emission credits from another country that managed to reduce its emissions below its Kyoto targets. Joint implementation and the Clean Development Mechanism (CDM) grant Northern governments and corporations emission credits through special projects aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the host country. These projects can be carried out among industrialised countries and corporations (JI) or between one industrialised government or company and one Southern country (CDM). Although the rules and procedures have not yet been agreed upon, hundreds of projects are already planned and many are even being implemented. Typical JI and CDM projects could be respectively the Dutch government financing a factory producing energy-efficient light bulbs in Russia, or BP Amoco installing solar panels in Zimbabwe. The logic behind the market-based mechanisms is that it is less expensive for Northern countries to invest in reduction projects abroad than it is for them to reduce emissions domestically. A disturbing reality lurks behind these benign-sounding mechanisms- they enable industrialised countries and their corporations to buy the right to pollute and to escape even the meagre commitments laid down in the Kyoto Protocol. It has been argued that similar trading schemes, such as the US programme to reduce sulphur dioxide emissions to combat acid rain, have worked successfully. However, this argument does not take into account the negative health and economic impacts suffered by poor and disadvantaged communities in the US through these schemes- a phenomenon referred to as 'environmental racism'. [3]. The hypothesis that such schemes will be efficient on the international level is also flawed. One must not forget the absolute impossibility of monitoring emissions from millions of sources spread all over the world, not to mention the lack of a binding regulatory system to enforce emissions limits. [4] Not only will the market-based mechanisms fail to achieve the agreed reduction targets for greenhouse gas emissions, they could catalyse serious environmental and social catastrophe on a scale unimaginable. These mechanisms effectively turn greenhouse gases into commodities, locking-in existing North-South inequities in the use of the atmosphere and natural resources and opening-up many new and harmful profit-making opportunities for transnational corporations- essentially creating a new market out of thin air. Through these schemes, TNCs and their Northern governments will be entitled to buy countless cheap emission credits from the South, through projects of an often exploitative nature, thereby imposing on the South what the India-based Centre for Science and Environment refers to as 'carbon colonialism'. [5] Furthermore, all of the `low-hanging fruit´, or cheap credits, will have been harvested by the North when it comes time for Southern countries to reduce their own emissions, saddling them with only the most expensive options for any future reduction commitments they might make. Since the introduction of these market-based solutions in 1997, subsequent international climate negotiations have been deadlocked around technical discussions about their scope and implementation, essentially paralysing the process. The political pressure to open the floodgates for these commercial escape mechanisms continues to intensify, further weakening an already anaemic Protocol and scuttling
Re: [CTRL] [PalestineDiary] SUPPORT ROBERT FISK! (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- SUPPORT ROBERT FISK! The Independent has been receiving strong complaints about the articles of Robert Fisk. He might be pressured to stop writing if we do not support him. He has complained that if the Arabs and Muslims want him to keep writing, they have at least to say so to the paper's editor, and thank him. Please direct your letters to Editor - The Independent 1 Canada Square London E14 5DL UK E-Mail: Letters to the Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Yard. I'm glad you calrified Fisk's objectivity when writing about the Middle East. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: U$ working week too long !! (fwd)]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: U$ working week too long !! (fwd) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:26:54 -0500 (CDT) From: MichaelP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; The Guardian (London) Monday September 3, 2001 Michael Ellison in New York US workers suffer labour pains The United States is closed today for all but the most important business - such as shopping - while it marks the official end of summer with a day of rest for the men and women who work the longest hours in the industrialised world. Average Americans now spend so much time at work that they are putting in another week a year compared with 10 years ago, says a new study published to coincide with the Labour Day holiday weekend. In 1990 Mr and Ms America worked 1,942 hours a year each; now they toil for 1,978 hours, says the report by the International Labour Organisation. The increase in the number of hours worked within the US runs counter to the trend in other industrialised nations where we are seeing declining hours worked, said Lawrence Jeff Johnson, the economist who headed the team that drew up Key Indicators of the Labour Market 2001-2002. Each Australian, Canadian, Japanese and Mexican worker devotes about 100 hours a year - or 2.5 weeks - fewer to their job, it says. Britons and Brazilians work 250 fewer hours (roughly six weeks) and Germans do 500 fewer hours, or about 12 weeks. Of countries categorised as developing or in transition, only South Koreans (500 more hours) and Czechs (an extra 100 hours) put in more time than Americans. I think it's a lot to do with the American psyche, said Mr Johnson, who lives in Switzerland. Americans define themselves by their work. When you meet the average European it takes a while for them to tell you what they do for a living. They talk more about their families. Americans tell you immediately what they do. Part of the apparent appetite for toil is explained by the increasingly blurred line between work and free time. I played golf recently for the first time in a year, said Mr Johnson, who describes himself as a workaholic. My friend's phone rang three times with work calls. The line between time at work and time not at work is blurred. Years ago we used to clock on and clock off but we don't do that any more. But mobile phones and computers are not unique to the US. Nor is ambition, though it might find its strongest expression there. America has labour flexibility and Americans have a tendency to move quickly from job to job, said Mr Johnson. We want to progress, to move on to the next level. To do that they're putting in more hours. Americans typically get vacations of only two or three weeks a year, though there are 10 public holidays. Many fall on Mondays, allowing for long weekends. But long working weeks do not equate with wealth. A job should keep you out of poverty, not keep you in it, said Holly Sklar, author of Raise the Floor: Wages and Policies that Work for all of us. But as we celebrate Labour Day, hardworking Americans paid the minimum wage have to choose between eating or heating, healthcare or childcare. At $5.15 an hour [the minimum wage], they earn just $10,712 a year. That's a third less than in 1968, when the minimum wage was about $8, adjusting for inflation. A couple with two kids would have to work a combined 3.3 full-time minimum-wage jobs to make ends meet. Mr Johnson suggested that the US could learn much from Ireland, where the productivity of people with jobs had increased even though each employee now spent 1,520 hours a year working, down from 1,728 hours in 1990. The education and training is something to look at. Labour Day is a time for reflection for Americans, to see we're doing some things very well but we can learn from others. We're all striving for balance, we want to do it at a cost that's not too great to society. Nobody on their deathbed has ever said 'I wish I'd spent one more hour on that job'. == *** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. Feel free to distribute widely but PLEASE acknowledge the original source. *** A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please
Re: [CTRL] Battling online hate
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- The most dispicable hate speech is speech that advocates censorship. flw Not even close. The most despicable hate speech drives people to murder. Your choice doesn't even make the top five. J2 Typical response by a freedom hating National Socialist. Don't call me a National Socialist mother fucker. That's over the line. Joshua2 Anyone who blames other's wrongful actions on hate speech obviously has an agenda to quash free speech. The Nazis had a whole list of illegal hate speech punishable by prison...as did Stalin...as did Maoas did Mussolinias did Franco...as did McCarthy... J2 is in good company. Speech doesn't cause violenceSUPPRESSION of free speech causes violence. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Radical Islam-'ism' = Racism
-Caveat Lector- Coalition for the Defense of Human Rights * Press Release August 29, 2001 Radical Islam-'ism' = Racism Explosive Campaign Hits Durban UN Parley Radical Islamism, a form of religio-racism, should be condemned at UN Racism Conference, Rights Group says. The Coalition for the Defense of Human Rights (CDHR), an umbrella coalition representing minority religious and ethnic communities from around the world, today called on the World Conference Against Racism (WCAR) in Durban, South Africa, to condemn Radical Islamism as form of religio-racism. In a letter to Secretary-General, Kofi Annan, and UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Mary Robinson, the Coalition asked that the voices and plights of those oppressed, enslaved and murdered by adherents of the ideology of Radical Islamism -- a deviation from Islam - be heard at the Conference. Coalition spokesperson, Mary Elizabeth Hansen said, Radical Islamism is not the religion of Islam, founded by Mohammed 13 centuries ago. It is a 20th Century movement based on a totalitarian ideology, which promotes violence and militancy in the form of Jihad. Its segregationist view of society - based on the concept of dhimmitude - is racist, intolerant, xenophobic, supremacist, discriminatory, anti-democratic, and has become genocidal. CDHR, which represents Hindus, Buddhists, Bahais, Humanist Muslims, Copts, Assyrians, Syriacs, Southern Sudanese, Maronites, Southern Phillipinos, West Africans, Ibos, Slavic Christians, Armenians, Arab Christians, Nubians, secular intellectuals, and women_s groups, published today on its website, (www.dhimmi.com) a Declaration entitled Radical Islamism = Racism = Genocide: Jihad-Islamism (not Islam) abuses human rights worldwide. The Declaration argues that Radical Islamists persecute the Copts in Egypt; in Sudan, they massacre and enslave the Dinkas, in Lebanon, they terrorize the Christians; in Nigeria, they butchered Biafran Ibos and oppress the Christians. In Iraq and Syria, secular radical regimes - penetrated by Jihadic norms suppress native Christian cultures. In Iran, they persecute Christians and Bahais; in Kashmir, they wage a terrorist war against the Hindu minority; in the southern Philippines, they terrorize Catholics and kidnap foreigners; in East Timor, they endorse ethnic cleansing against Christians; in Indonesia, they routinely assault the native Christians, particularly in the Moluccas. Radical Islamism is a world ideology, fielding a world terror-army, and now oppresses millions with its racist ideology. This threat to world peace and racial, ethnic and religious harmony needs to be urgently addressed at the UN Conference, said Hansen. Contact: Mary Elizabeth Hansen Phone: 1-703-234-3954 x 7542 Website: http://www.dhimmi.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] annual survey of CEO pay
-Caveat Lector- The Institute for Policy Studies and United for a Fair Economy just released their annual survey of CEO pay. The full report, Executive Excess, is available in PDF on the web at: www.ips-dc.org/projects/execexcess2001.htm Greg LeRoy Good Jobs First - www.goodjobsfirst.org - - - - - - - New CEO/Worker Pay Gap Study Labor Day Report Reveals Layoff Leaders Cushioned from Downturn As the stock market slides and U.S. workers face the biggest wave of job cuts in a decade, top executives continue to enjoy exorbitant pay hikes, according to a new report, Executive Excess 2001: Layoffs, Tax Rebates and the Gender Gap. The report is the eighth annual study on the CEO-worker pay gap by the Institute for Policy Studies and United for a Fair Economy. Key findings from the study include: The 1990s: A Decade of Greed Executive pay jumped 571 percent between 1990 and 2000. CEO pay rose even in 2000, a year in which the SP 500 suffered a 10 percent loss. The explosion in CEO pay over the decade dwarfed the 37 percent growth in worker pay. If the average annual pay for production workers had grown at the same rate since 1990 as it has for CEOs, their 2000 annual earnings would have been $120,491 instead of $24,668. Likewise, if the minimum wage, which stood at $3.80 an hour in 1990, had grown at the same rate as CEO pay over the decade, it would now be $25.50 an hour, rather than the current $5.15 an hour. Layoff Leaders CEOs of firms that announced layoffs of 1,000 or more workers this year earned about 80 percent more, on average, than executives at 365 top firms surveyed by Business Week. The layoff leaders earned an average of $23.7 million in total compensation in 2000, compared with a $13.1 million average for executives as a whole. The top job-cutters received an increase in salary and bonus of nearly 20 percent in 2000, compared to average raises in that year for U.S. wage workers of about 3 percent and for salaried employees of 4 percent. Tax Rebates Between 1996 and 1998, 41 large, profitable corporations used special tax breaks and credits to reduce their corporate tax bill to less than zero. Instead of paying taxes, they received outright tax rebate checks from the U.S. Treasury. As a group, the CEOs of these tax rebate firms averaged pay hikes of 69 percent, far above the typical CEO raise of 38 percent. Those pay hikes, made possible in part by tax rebates, totaled $194 million. In six cases, the CEOs raise entirely consumed his companys tax rebate for the year. CEOs at the tax rebate companies earned 12 percent more on average than executives in the Business Week surveys for the years 1996-98. Executive pay at the tax rebate companies totaled $495 million during those years, equivalent to 15 percent of the $3.2 billion in total tax refunds paid to those companies over the period. Gender Gap Heather Killen, a senior vice president of Yahoo, was the highest-paid woman in America in 2000, with a total compensation package of $32.7 million, a mere 11 percent of the highest-paid male (John Reed of Citigroup: $293 million). The 30 highest-paid women in the corporate world earned average total compensation of $8.7 million, as compared with $112.9 million for the 30 highest-paid men, a ratio of 1 to 13. The report concludes with a survey of efforts by grassroots organizations, activist shareholders, and legislators to challenge the growing divide. The Institute for Policy Studies is an independent center for progressive research and education in Washington, DC. United for a Fair Economy is a national organization based in Boston that provides educational resources and supports grassroots and legislative action to reduce economic inequality. To order a hard copy, contact: Betsy Leondar-Wright, 617/423-2148 x 13, or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE
[CTRL] The CIA's Secret Files on Greece
-Caveat Lector- The CIA's Secret Files on Greece http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2001/08/gr081201.html History of U.S.-Greek Ties Blocked CIA Opposes Disclosure of Proposed Covert Actions in '60s http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15770-2001Aug15.html The CIA claims to have changed So why is it suppressing a book about its activities in Greece? http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,543170,00.html Poster's note: Anything below in square brackets [ ] are my own additions. Greek dictatorships of 1967-1974 and their relations with the United States === Below is a (joined) extract from an obituary article which appeared in the 'Economist' on July 3, 1999. (George Papadopoulos died on June 27, 1999.) **START** [Nixon] sent his vice-president, Spiro Agnew, who was of Greek descent, to Athens to say that America supported Mr Papadopoulos and his junta [...] It is unclear whether America's intelligence service, the CIA [Central Intelligence Agency], had a hand in the [April 1967] coup that installed Mr Papadopoulos and his military friends: historians are divided on the matter. He had been attached to a Greek army intelligence unit that had links with the CIA. So there is material for a conspiracy theory. And, as Mr Nixon later demonstrated when he sent a note to the junta expressing warm love, he did not find the coup too upsetting. **END** And according to an article which appeared in the 'New York Times', on August 2, 1974, at the time of the coup, Papadopoulos had already been on the CIA payroll for some 15 years. The following extract is from the book: Hostage to History: Cyprus from the Ottomans to Kissinger by Christopher Hitchens, Verso, 1997, p.64 (ISBN 1859841899): **START** Colonel George Papadopoulos, who led the coup, had been on the payroll of the CIA since 1952 and acted as the chief liaison officer between the Greek KYP [Greek subsidiary of the CIA] and its senior partner in Langley, Virginia. Moreover, he had used a NATO contigency plan [code-named Prometheus], designed to counter unrest in the event of a 'hot' war in the Balkans, to activate his putsch. In his book, Prescriptions for Prosperity (1983), Lyndon Johnson's former friend and confidant Eliot Janeway describes a visit to Athens with Senator Vance Hartke in the autumn of 1966: To our surprise, our visit coincided with the preliminaries for the Greek military putsch, sponsored by the CIA and the DIA (the undercover Defense Intelligence Agency, an arm of the Department of Defense). Janeway recounts Johnson's rage at his disclosure of this in a confidential bulletin. The elephant's trunk was getting ready to strike. **END** Below is an extract from the book: A Short History of Modern Greece by Richard Clogg, Cambridge University Press, 1984, p.193. (ISBN 0521295173) **START** The regime's main external prop was undoubtedly the United States. Although many Greeks of all political persuasions believed that the American CIA had somehow been directly involved in the 1967 coup, there was little evidence to substantiate this. But if the American administration was not involved in the actual establishment of the dictatorship it nonetheless did afford the regime a very considerable degree of aid and comfort. Although in theory shipments of heavy weapons were cut off between 1967 and 1970, America remained the major supplier of military equipment to the junta. The Pentagon was particularly anxious to maintain good relations with Greece so as to continue to enjoy base facilities in a country whose strategic importance to the Western alliance had increased following the Arab/Israeli wars of 1967 and 1973 and the rapid build-up of a Soviet naval presence in the Mediterranean. This last development prompted the negotiation in 1972 of the 'Home Port' agreement, which provided permanent port facilities for the Sixth Fleet in Greece. When the United States congress voted to cut off military aid to Greece, President Nixon was quick to take advantage of the provision that such aid could be resumed if he considered this to be essential to United States defence interests. In January 1972 he declared that the defence of Israel, a primary objective of American policy in the eastern Mediterranean, was predicated on friendly relations with Greece. As a further mark of American consideration for the regime, vice-president Spiro Agnew (born Anagnostopoulos), himself of Greek origin, visited Greece in 1971. Other influential American visitors included General Andrew Goodpaster, the commander of NATO forces in Europe, who smilingly posed alongside Papadopoulos in the summer of 1967, the secretaries of defence, Melvin Laird, and of commerce, Maurice Stans. During a visit to Athens in 1971, Stans spoke of his having been asked to convey his warm love to the Greek government. This remark was subsequently clarified by the American Embasssy to warmth and confidence. **END** And from the same book, page 197:
Re: [CTRL] American Almanach de Gotha
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: This is the best. Thanks Kris, J2 -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sovereigntylibrary/0303%20soccriticismlibrary/0 30304lundberg/030304ch1.html Click Here: A HREF=http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sovereigntylibrary/0303%20soccriticismlib rary/030304lundberg/030304ch1.htmlLundberg: Chapter I/A - much more at site. Om K - The Constitution of the United States bars the bestowal of titles of nobility. But in many ways it would clear up much that is now obscure if titles were allowed. Not only would they show, automatically, to whom deference was due as a right but they would publicly distinguish those who held continuing hereditary power from people who are merely temporarily voted in or appointed for limited terms. The chroniclers of High Society-that is, the circles of wealth--recognize this need and, in order to show hereditary status and family position, they allude to males in the line of descent by number, as in the case of royal dynasties. Thus in the English branch of the Astor family there is a John Jacob Astor VII.45 But there are also George F. Baker III, August Belmont IV, William Bird III, Joseph H. Choate III, Irénée and Pierre du Pont III, Marshall Field V, Potter Palmer III, John D. Rockefeller IV, Cornelius Vanderbilt V and so on.46 It is names such as these that would properly be found in an American Almanach de Gotha. - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More On Canadian Border Fascism
-Caveat Lector- Mark McHugh wrote: -Caveat Lector- iggy wrote: -Caveat Lector- they ask the mommies too. i've seen it. i've also seen the turn the mommie back because she didn't have a letter. its socialism not facism Not much difference between fascism and socialism. Maybe they're socialistic fascists? Is this the US's future? You really don't see a difference between these 2 definitions? Maybe you need a better dictionary. J2 fascism \fa-'shi-zem also fa-'si-\ noun (1921) 1: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. socialism \so-she-'li-zem\ noun (1837) 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods -- ´´ Mark McHugh A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Leader's killing 'means open war'
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Leader's killing 'means open war' Israel steps up its assassination policy with a missile attack on the most senior Palestinian leader to die during the intifada Suzanne Goldenberg in Ramallah, and agencies Tuesday August 28, 2001 The Guardian Israel yesterday claimed the highest ranking victim of its assassination policy since the Palestinian uprising began, killing the leader of the Popular Front for the Libertion of Israel with two missiles sent through the window of his office in a Ramallah apartment block. Mustafa Zibri, universally known as Abu Ali Mustafa, died working alone at his desk. The office is on the first floor of a block of flats in a well-do-do residential area. Shortly after his death at 11.15am the PFLP's military wing said that as an initial response one of its groups had shot and wounded an Israeli settler near the settlement of Itamar. A settlers' spokesman said the motorist was critically wounded. To many Palestinians Mustafa had iconic status. The Marxist faction he led was once second only to Yasser Arafat's Fatah organisation. Thousands took to the streets in protest and there were calls for revenge from across the political spectrum. The explosions shattered windows and mirrors in adjoining rooms, but otherwise, apart from scorch marks above the north and east facing windows of his corner office, the building was eerily unscathed. Mustafa was by far the highest ranking of the 40 Palestinians assassinated by Israel since the intifada began. Arguably he was the most significant since 1988, when Israeli commandos killed Mr Arafat's lieutenant Abu Jihad in Tunis. His assassination was a departure from Israel's strategy, which has so far focused on eliminating activists of Mr Arafat's Fatah and the Islamist group Hamas rather than members of leftwing factions. His wake at a town hall a few blocks away reflected his senior status. Leaders of Palestinian groups from Hamas to the leftwing Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine paid their respects. At first there was a sense of shock, but now there is a sense of vengeance, the DFLP leader, Qais Abu Laylah, said. When people in the top Palestinian leadership are targeted by Israel I don't think there is any place or range for what you may call moderation. This is an open war. Palestinians regarded Mustafa as a strictly political figure. Born to a humble family near the West Bank town of Jenin, he was for years the right hand of the veteran leader George Habash. An opponent of the peace accords with Israel, he returned from exile, with Israel's permission, in 1999, and succeeded to the leadership of the PFLP 16 months ago. Once the second largest faction in the PLO, the PFLP has been on the sidelines in recent years as Hamas and other Islamist groups strengthen their hold. But it has been an emerging military force in the uprising, and carried out a string of car bombings in Israel. None caused Israeli fatalities. The Israeli army said Mustafa was directly responsible for the car bombings. Its statement said he invested most of his energy in establishing covert underground military cells of the PFLP. But it offered no proof that he was dir- ectly involved. Mustafa was killed only hours after the prime minister, Ariel Sharon, convened his closest cabinet ministers, including the foreign minister, Shimon Peres, to order an increase in the assassination of Palestinian activists. A potential successor to the PFLP leadership, Abdul Rahim Maluah, said the strategy would backfire. The Israelis have gone through all the red lines when they assassinate a person like Abu Ali Mustafa, he said. This has reached the highest levels of the Palestinian leadership and they must know beyond a doubt that their decision will have consequences. In addition to the prominence of the target, yesterday's attack stood out for its sheer audacity. Three of the eight flats in the building attacked are occupied by Palestinian families holding US passports. I was sitting at my desk drawing a rose, and then went out to get a banana from the kitchen for Haneen, said Leila Daas, 10. We were just at the door when the blast happened, and then we all started running and screaming. Mustafa's neighbours said they had little to do with him, and had assumed his presence in the building did not compromise their safety because he was a political leader. But his bodyguard, Fadi Abu Salah, said he had been acting like a hunted man for months: staggering his arrival at the office and changing vehicles. The Israelis possess high technology. They have satellites and their collaborators and spies. It is obvious that a well known leader will always be followed by Israel, and by collaborators, he said. Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2001 Hey this was a bullseye! Took way to long to nail these
Re: [CTRL] Kuwait: Mixing Oil and Politics
-Caveat Lector- RevCOAL wrote: -Caveat Lector- If parliament permits foreign companies to pump Kuwaiti oil, it would reverse more than two decades of policy. A few years ago I ran across an old issue of National Geographic from the mid 1970s... What first caught my eye was a Bicentennial article on Women of the American Revolution ...but what prompted me to save the magazine from the trash it was headed for was an article about the 'emerging Middle East'... This issue was from late 1975 or early 1976, and the article on the Middle East was comprised of smaller articles on each country of the region... And I found the write up on Kuwait extremely interesting, 20 years down the road... The article indeed mentioned how the Kuwaiti royal family ended up controlling the oil fields in their country... Except, according to this article, it was accomplished because the ruling oil conglomerate in the country recognized 'the writing on the wall' -- other middle eastern countries were nationalizing oil production and throwing out the western oil companies that had dominated the region -- so this company that had dominated Kuwaiti oil production (indeed, had initiated test drilling after WWII) worked out a deal with the Kuwaiti royals Namely, that this company would turn over the production and sale of crude oil to the Kuwaiti royal family, in exchange for the sole rights to SHIP the oil out of Kuwait on this company's own ships... Look at a map of the region, specifically of Kuwait, and you will realize that this is not a minor matter And the Kuwaiti royal family agreed...it was a win-win situation for both sides...the Kuwaiti royals now got to enjoy the profits from selling oil to the company that had turned over the wells, and the company in turn continued to make huge profits by acting as the middle man... And apparently the right to ship the oil out of Kuwait is a right granted in perpetuity -- in other words, the company that turned over the wells has the sole right to ship oil out of Kuwait -- and reap the profits of being the middle man -- forever... And what is the name of this company? It was clearly spelled out in this 20-something-year-old article -- in 1975 the name meant little, if anything, to the general public, and indeed probably means little to nothing to the majority of the public today... But the name 'Zapata Oil Company' IS quite meaningful to anyone who knows the history of the Bush family ;-) June Good one J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Same Name - Roman Numerals
-Caveat Lector- Colleen Jones wrote: -Caveat Lector- Changed my name using Roman Numerals; today Web TV went under MSTV - all is changed. My old mail from CTRL was probably returned unopened.addressee unknown? Hey Joshua, I am still here - what you think I was on Noah's Ark or the Titanic. Saba a dipshit by any other name would smell as sweet. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Are Farts Sterile?
-Caveat Lector- RevCOAL wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Edward Britton wrote: Frankly, SAVE THE COWS - and as for Joshua2 - it is every asshole for himselv. But Aleshia, how are we supposed to destroy ourselves without assholes? We need assholes like Joshua2, as well as all those other barbaric warlords in the middle east and beyond, if we ever hope to rid the earth of all future assholes. It's a paradox, ain't it :-) Reminds me of a joke that was quite popular back when I was in junior high One day all the different body parts started arguing amongst themselves about which of them was the greatest/strongest/most important part of the body... I am said the brain No, I am said the eyes You're both wrong, *I* am the most important, said the ears... No, it's me, said the heart... The stomach, lungs, and knees also joined the argument, each arguing why it was the most important body part... The argument grew quite raucous, as not one body part was willing to concede its importance to another... Finally the anus, who hadn't joined the argument and growing weary of the racket, decided to stop working... Soon the brain started aching, the eyes grew blurry, the ears started ringing, the heart started racing, the lungs grew weak, the stomach grew queasy, and the knees gave way... So they finally all agreed -- the asshole was the greatest/strongest/most important part of the body... ;-) June Hey June, Is this some kind of ' left handed ' defense? Thanks, I think... J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You Have Made Me Your Human Bomb
-Caveat Lector- Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum, You Have Made Me Your Human Bomb By: Edna Yaghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK. Where do I sign up. J2 I am the product of your tyranny. You have dissected the leftovers of my country into bits and pieces of shantytowns, ghettoes and concentrations camps. You have cut off my water supply and left me thirsty while you the Israelis bathe in cooled pools not far from where I live. You have uprooted my trees and desecrated my fields making sure I have no way to sustain myself or those who depend on me. You have cut off medical supplies that treat the wounded and at your checkpoints, you detain and humiliate Palestinians and prevent those who are in dire need of medical assistance to pass through causing my people who are your victims to die at your impromptu borders. You assassinate my freedom fighters while explaining to the world that you are merely defending your own squatters. You shoot to kill little children who in defiance and courage wield small stones in the name of liberty against you the fiercely armed enemy. You torture the children and resistance fighters you incarcerate and try to bribe or coerce my people into collaborating against one another. You bulldoze homes and you prevent me from earning a living. You kill me by remote control from your US made Apache helicopters and your settlers who squat on what you have left me of my land throw firebombs into my dwellings and on my passageways, attack my children and womenfolk with guns and clubs and hate. You occupy my land and on my bloodstained hills station your tanks and armored jeeps in order to shoot off one by one little children playing in the streets. You take over the Orient House, my one symbol of freedom that was donated by a man worth all Israelis, while at the same time you starve the orphans just across the street. You shoot out my water tanks and you kill off Palestinian servicemen even though at the time of your brutal massacres, these servicemen were patrolling their land or simply eating their last supper. You cut off my electricity so you can assassinate me more easily in the dank shadows of your dark treachery. You are cowards and you are afraid of little Palestinian children with stones. You never kill them single handedly. You roam in groups like packs of wild dogs and you are just as vicious if not more so. You leave me and my people without hope and when you have driven me into a corner and deprived me of all that is human, I react with anger and bitterness. I strap explosives onto my body and search for a place to detonate myself. Yes, I kill your civilians, but this is the price you have to pay for taking away my inalienable rights, the rights that all men are entitled to for your demoniacal oppression of my people. It is really very simple. God created all men equal and no man better than any other. Yet, somehow you have made it your protocol that Jews are better than all others and that you have the right to come to my land committing rape and plunder yet expect me to thank you for doing so. Just the other day, a young boy was eating lunch. One of your settlers who came from America threw a firebomb into this boys house. His two brothers were killed immediately. But the one boy survived horribly disfigured. His name is Amar Emeera. His scars have turned a once beautiful child into a grotesque being that does not even look human. What did this child do to go through life so horribly disfigured? You shoot babies point blank while swaddled in their parents arms in Palestinian cars going to weddings. You slay Palestinian children going to and from school and you slaughter Palestinian children when they fight your armies with their bare hands. One such child, Mohammed Abu Arrar was shot down and killed when he protested your occupation of his land. Palestinian relatives of the boy kissed his body laid out in his coffin before he was taken away to be buried in the Gaza Strip. You kill unarmed Palestinian fathers on their way to buy school supplies and books for their children. You have even run out of excuses for the atrocities you continue to perpetrate. You shell the homes of Palestinian families, instantly killing the occupants and then claim that the action was friendly fire from the Palestinians even though the homes were far removed from the scene of the battle and even though remnants of your American made shells are scattered about the demolished homes of the innocent. You collectively punish 3 million Palestinians half of whom are children who reside on what is left of their own land though you know full well that their only desire is to free themselves from your barbaric cruelty. You tell the world that you want peace yet at every corner, at every instance, you are as far from peace as the earth is from a different universe speeding in an opposite direction. You
Re: [CTRL] For the Record Pope Pius XII
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- I am fully aware that the revisionists have now decided that Pius collaborated with the Nazis, etc. This is an article of what was said at the time by those in a position to know that just came out today. I personally think the new found guilt of the Vatican There's nothing new about it. The Vatican simply can't cover it up any longer because this is the information age, and non-Catholics don't care what the Vatican wants. has much to do with wanting even more reparations and the extortion of huge sums of money. The Jews involved in this want their rightful property back which was stolen from them by the Nazis and hidden by their accomplices in the Vatican. Let's be clear about this. The Vatican is hiding the stolen property of the Nazi victims. Nice. Maybe the Poles should do the same to the Jews who collaborated with the Soviets resulting in even more deaths to the Polish people. I know that you are desperate to keep your church in some kind of esteem, but you are going a little whacky here. The Jews did not control the Soviets. If the Poles didn't like Soviet control they should have had the balls to have a revolution. Like the colonists did with English domination. I certainly hope they do so for 3 million Polish Roman Catholics went to the death camps and this started long before any Jews there met that same fate. Why didn't the Jews save the Poles from both the Germans and the Soviets? The Jews were an opressed minority who had no arms, no military and no influece in politics. Besides that, the Poles were vicious murderous anti-semites who turned over tens of thousands of Jews gleefully to the Nazis, and then stole their property. You've got it ass backwards Amelia. You're getting silly now. I do not think it was possible for anyone to do that for if a Pope had such power, JPII could stop the 40 million abortions. ~Amelia~ Popes don't have any power any more. Except over gullible Catholics. No one else care what they do or don't do. But some people are determined to show what they DID do. For the Record by Joseph Sobran Nothing, it seems, can dispel the notion that Pope Pius XII maintained a shameful silence about the persecution of Jews during World War II. But Ralph McInerny, in his book The Defamation of Pius XII, quotes what Jews, prominent and otherwise, were saying at the time. Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty, said Albert Einstein in 1940. In 1942 London's Jewish Chronicle remarked: A word of sincere and earnest appreciation is due from Jews to the Vatican for its intervention in Berlin and Vichy on behalf of their tortured co-religionists in France It was a step urged, to their honor, by a number of Catholics, but for which we may be sure the Holy Father himself, with his intense humanity and his clear sighted understanding of the true and deadly implications of the assaults on the Jewish people, needed no prompting. Dr. Alexander Shafran, chief rabbi of Romania, wrote in 1944: In these hard times our thoughts turn more than ever with respectful gratitude to the Sovereign Pontiff, who has done so much for Jews in general In our worst hours of trial, the generous aid and noble support of the Holy See ... has been decisive. It is not easy to find the proper words to express the relief and solace which the magnanimous gesture of the Supreme Pontiff has given us, in offering a large subsidy in order to alleviate the sufferings of the deported Jews. Roumanian Jewry will never forget these facts of historical importance. After the Allies liberated Rome in 1944, a Jewish Brigade Group said in its Bulletin: To the everlasting glory of the people of Rome and the Roman Catholic Church we can state that the fate of the Jews was alleviated by their truly Christian offers of assistance and shelter. Even now, many still remain in the religious homes and houses which opened their doors to protect them from deportation to certain death. One survivor, quoted in a Hebrew daily in Israel, said: If we have been rescued, if Jews are still alive in Rome, come with us and thank the Pope in the Vatican. A committee of the American Jewish Welfare Board, wrote to Pius himself: We have received reports from our military chaplains in Italy of the aid and protection to Italian Jews by the Vatican, priests, and church institutions during the Nazi occupation of the country. We are deeply moved by this extraordinary display of Christian love - the more so as we know the risk incurred by those who afforded shelter to Jews From the bottom of our hearts we send you the assurances of undying gratitude. The elders of one liberated camp went to Rome and presented Pius with a letter: Now that the victorious Allied troops have broken our chains and liberated us from captivity and danger, may we, the Jewish internees of Ferramonti, be
[CTRL] How it's done: This is how you handle greedy corporations.
-Caveat Lector- Subject: Patents: Brazil okays copies of Aids drug Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:55:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Sanjoy Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good news from Brazil, though it annoys me how the Guardian frames the issue: Should Brazil be allowed to `violate the patent'? So I sent them this letter: To the Editor: You claim that Brazil will be `the first country to violate the patent of an anti-Aids drug' (Defiant Brazil gives go-ahead for copies of anti-Aids drug, 24 August). Whatever Roche might believe, patents are not an inalienable human right; they are valid only in particular circumstances. Just because Western governments rob their population to enrich drug companies, there is no reason that Brazil must follow suit. As your article says, the Brazilian constitution permits compulsory licensing. Roche may be unhappy, but their supposed rights are not being violated. Yours sincerely, etc. -Sanjoy http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4244786,00.html Defiant Brazil gives go-ahead for copies of anti-Aids drug Alex Bellos in Rio de Janeiro and James Meikle Friday August 24, 2001 The Guardian (London) Brazil has declared that it will allow generic copies of a brand-name anti-Aids drug to be made without the permission of the patent-holder - because the company, Swiss pharmaceutical giant Roche, refused to cut its prices. Brazil's decision will make it the first country to violate the patent of an anti-Aids drug and represents an aggressive move in the developing world's battle for cheaper prices. Jose Serra, the health minister, said he had begun the process of issuing a licence to produce nelfinavir, which is sold by Roche under the name Viracept. Nelfinavir is one of the 12 drugs used in the anti-Aids cocktail that Brazil distributes free to almost 100,000 patients. Mr Serra said that the government bought 82m units of nelfinavir a year at a cost of $88m (#60m) - about 28% of the total anti-Aids budget. It's ridiculous that one of the 12 drugs in the cocktail would account for more than 25% of the cost, Mr Serra said. We spend more on that one drug than on all of the transplants performed in Brazil each year. He added that domestic production of the drug would save the government 40%, about $35m a year. Roche had offered this year to cut the price of nelfinavir by 13%, but Brazil rejected that as too low, and the two sides had been negotiating. Mr Serra said talks broke off about two weeks ago. He said the government invoked an article in the constitution that allowed for the breaking of a patent in cases of a national emergency or when companies employed abusive pricing policies. In June, the US dropped its attempt to have Brazil disciplined by the World Trade Organisation because of the patent law. Brazil has been one of the strongest voices in the developing world in the fight for cheaper prices and has threatened the pharmaceutical multinationals that it would break their patents. The pressure worked with Merck Sharp Dohme, which agreed in March to reduce the price of efavirenz, another drug in the anti-Aids cocktail, by 64%. Mr Serra said: We tried to get a price cut [for nelfinavir] but we didn't get what we thought was fair so we're going to grant a compulsory licence so that it can be produced more cheaply in Brazil. Our idea is to have the medication available in February of 2002, he said. Although Brazil has a high Aids incidence in absolute numbers it has managed to keep infection to less than 1% of the 170m population with an aggressive prevention campaign. It has succeeded in cutting the Aids death rate by half in five years and reduced the number confined to hospital by 80%. Thanks largely to the drug handout, which costs the state about $15,000 per patient, since 1996 the mortality rate in Brazil from HIV/Aids has fallen by half and there has been an 80% fall in number of patients hospitalised, according to Oxfam. The programme has been hailed by doctors as a model for other developing countries, where few can afford expensive treatment. In Switzerland, Roche spokesman Daniel Piller said the company was surprised by the news and denied that negotiations had broken down. He said: In our negotiations with the ministry of health we had already given them discounts very close to what they wanted. The company had also made some of the drug available free of charge. The South African government won a significant victory last April when it defeated multinational drugs manufacturers who were attempting to block the import of cheap drugs. But Pretoria intends not to use that to fight Aids, on the grounds that the costs are too high and the country lacks the infrastructure to distribute the drugs safely. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed.
Re: [CTRL] HENRY KISSINGER WAS EXCOMMUNICAED AND HERE IS HIS NAZICONNECTION
-Caveat Lector- Aleisha Saba wrote: Now Kissinger was a KGB Agent, Code Name Bor - was alleged to be Counter Intelligence in WWII - now see here, this man was excommunicated and now I had never heard this story for it most certainly is nothing of which to be proud. Might add this jewish Mafia Doctor involved in all the murder in our area was kicked out of his synagogue and his little friend used to tell me they were sending the Brown Shirts to get me and at the time, I didn't even know who the hell they were. Henry Kissinger ah so - has Three Faces...KGB and what else - Mossad - but I can see this - America wanted to get the missiles into the right hands..von Braun took us to the moon, he could have gone to the KGB Communists - he had once said he wanted to go to the moon more than win the war, and he did make a choice. Henry Kissinger - and this was not his real name - I forget what his real name was - Avraham ben something.. Masters of Deceit? Kissinger was a Nazi and a Communist - it is as simple as that - he double Eagle? But this man, has three faces - will the real Dr. Kissinger please stand up? Also Hugh Hefner is a Zionistbut then Larry Flynt was your typical front man for Mafia - and born again Christian for that bunch of thieves, like Jimmy Swaggart really believe they are Christians - and do not forget Billy Graham once took $25,000 from Mickey Cohen, the Jewish Mobster to save his soul - and got caught. When it comes to drugs and pornography - well, one can draw own conclusions as to why our children are being destroyed and exposed to filth and garbage and sodomy committed by Clinton and Barney Frank is suddenly overlooked as something natural? interesting item here - note, the Rockefeller family was not Jewish; and Japeth, is mentioned a long forgotten biblical figure - my family tree descends from this man Japeth, whoever he was - a son of Noah? Japeth was the pet monkey of Noah's sons. He was found swimming upside down in the flood waters. They saved him anyway. I can see that you are decended from his line. You must be so proud. Gues Gomer and Gog were his kin. And you,right? J2 This item I reproduce but for easier reading - well pull up under subject matter. Subject: Jewish Hate and the Global Conspiracy Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aleisha Saba) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tetrahedron.org/news/jewish_hate.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] For the Record Pope Pius XII
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well, J2, I think you are the one with it ass-backwards. On the one hand you claim the Jews were this poor, oppressed minority with no military yet the Vatican with no military should have done what the armies of Europe could not do. I have conceded some collaboration but it is on the part of ALL parties and not peculiar to the Vatican. The Poles could not have fought off the Soviet army any more than the 'poor oppressed Jews' could have done so. You speak of the Poles lack of having the balls to fight back, but isn't that the real problem with the Jews? Why should the Poles have fought back but everyone else should have done that for the Jews? I think you are unrealistic in claiming that Jews were totally without blame in the collaboration game and that the Vatican could have prevented anything at all. I think the Vatican would have saved their own if they could have done so. Do you think the Pope should have immediately sided with the anti-Catholic British and Protestant Americans? Put him in a very bad position, I would say. The number of priest in Europe that went to the death camps is staggering. You only have concern for Jews and Jews only. You speak as though no other group's suffering counts. I find that very telling. And also that you think others lacking for not fighting back but they should have also fought back FOR the Jews who were selling them out to the Soviets? If we are going to take back property stolen in war, I want my great-grandparent's property burned and stolen by the U.S. govt returned. You are not their accomplice in keeping it from me, are you? So I guess I will just do as you do, ignore all facts and continue to hold my church in esteem (your phrase) for the good that it did do and does currently. It is easy to take things out of their historical context and make judgments. The Vatican could have destroyed any and all documentation that would cast them in a bad light. If they have not done so, I think that speaks well of those in charge. You are well aware of the insurance claims paid to on behalf of all the 'poor, oppressed Jews' in Europe and it is never enough for they continue to sue for even greater amounts. I think this is a money-grubbing scheme and Jews are salivating at the thought of getting their mitts on the Vatican, nothing more. And there is little you can say that will change my mind. ~Amelia~ OK. J2 - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] For the Record Pope Pius XII -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- I am fully aware that the revisionists have now decided that Pius collaborated with the Nazis, etc. This is an article of what was said at the time by those in a position to know that just came out today. I personally think the new found guilt of the Vatican There's nothing new about it. The Vatican simply can't cover it up any longer because this is the information age, and non-Catholics don't care what the Vatican wants. has much to do with wanting even more reparations and the extortion of huge sums of money. The Jews involved in this want their rightful property back which was stolen from them by the Nazis and hidden by their accomplices in the Vatican. Let's be clear about this. The Vatican is hiding the stolen property of the Nazi victims. Nice. Maybe the Poles should do the same to the Jews who collaborated with the Soviets resulting in even more deaths to the Polish people. I know that you are desperate to keep your church in some kind of esteem, but you are going a little whacky here. The Jews did not control the Soviets. If the Poles didn't like Soviet control they should have had the balls to have a revolution. Like the colonists did with English domination. I certainly hope they do so for 3 million Polish Roman Catholics went to the death camps and this started long before any Jews there met that same fate. Why didn't the Jews save the Poles from both the Germans and the Soviets? The Jews were an opressed minority who had no arms, no military and no influece in politics. Besides that, the Poles were vicious murderous anti-semites who turned over tens of thousands of Jews gleefully to the Nazis, and then stole their property. You've got it ass backwards Amelia. You're getting silly now. I do not think it was possible for anyone to do that for if a Pope had such power, JPII could stop the 40 million abortions. ~Amelia~ Popes don't have any power any more. Except over gullible Catholics. No one else care what they do or don't do. But some people are determined to show what they DID do. For the Record by Joseph Sobran Nothing, it seems, can dispel the notion that Pope Pius XII maintained a shameful silence about the persecution
[CTRL] Strange bedfellows. Russia
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/23/2001 6:25:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ISWoR writes: RUSSIA INFO-LIST from International Solidarity with Workers in Russia - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISWoR web-site - http://members.aol.com/ISWoR/english/index.html HELP RUSSIANS KICK RACISTS/RIGHTWINGERS OUT OF THE ANTI-GLOBALISATION MOVEMENT! Important - please sign the short petition following the letter below in solidarity with anti-racists and internationalists in Russia. Forward this letter and petition as widely as you can. Dear activists of the anti-globalisation, labor, antiracist and progressive movements, In July the Genoa protests saw the first ever participation of an organised Russian delegation in the international protest movement. Now, despite the offer of the Putin government to use massive police brutality, live firearms, etc to make the country the safest place for future assemblies of the G-8, WTO, IMF, etc, there is a growing determination to build the movement in Russia and the Ukraine. But there is a great danger! As many of you know, Russia and other countries of the ex-USSR have suffered the collapse of their industry and the near-total impoverishment of their people since the market economy was re-introduced. Diseases such as TB are now epidemic in Russia, and the average male life expectancy is down to 56. Russians have every reason to be angry at the world's capitalist leaders, the neo-liberal monsters, coming to Moscow as Putin requests. But into all this misery have stepped the venomous forces of racism, fascism, bigotry - who try to divert the just anger of Russian people away from those responsible and onto traditional scapegoats - Chechens, Muslims, Black people, Jews, the gay community, etc.. In July the international association ATTAC (via its French and Belgian sections) largely financed the trip of the joint Russian-Ukrainian delegation to Genoa. Alexander Gelenin, a Russian left activist known for his uncompromising stand against racism, nationalism and collaboration with neo-liberals, has exposed the participation in the delegation of racists (the so-called red-browns) as well as a former Yeltsin money-launderer (see link to The Gelenin Letter, below). In Genoa, and then back in Russia, these right-wingers succeeded in taking almost all the credit for the delegation in the mass media. Two participants of the delegation, Nicolaev and Vedernikova, are leading members of the RKRP, an extremely racist and homophobic party whose members worship the murderous dictator Stalin. Many of the youth closest to the party are admirers of the butcher Pol Pot. The party recently published material urging Russians to struggle against rap music (!), on the grounds that Russians and Black people can never agree. In 1997 the party approved an official statement blaming the economic crisis in Russia on Jews, and they have also published material urging that gay men be locked up in prison. On their return from the trip, Nicolaev appeared prominently in the Russian mass-media, where he was quoted by Interfax urging indiscriminate smashing of windows, property, etc., reminiscent of the provocateurs who infiltrated the Black Bloc in Genoa. Another delegation participant, Sergey Khramov, head of the union Sotsprof, was in 1996 involved in the laundering of millions of dollars for the Yeltsin election campaign. In Genoa he made statements in favour of Putin on national TV. (N.B., Khramov, it seems, had alternative funding for his journey, nevertheless he was a leading voice of the delegation in Genoa). Additionally, Evgeny Kozlov was present. This man is responsible for bringing the nazi National-Bolshevik Party, who call for imprisonment of Black people in labour camps, into the leadership of the Leningrad branch of the mass Labour Code campaign. In the outcry afterwards, he publicly defended his actions. During the trip these named individuals were able to gain effective leadership of the contingent. On their return home, the delegation held a press conference in which plans to build an anti-globalisation movement in Russia were revealed. The racists were allowed to appear in the mass media as spokespersons for the newly-forming movement. In the anti-globalisation movement internationally, people are becoming more and more aware of the threat from nationalists who advocate protectionism and racism as the antidote to globalisation. As a result people are now using slogans such as globalise resistance in order to demonstrate the need for unity of all peoples in the fight against the corporate giants, not for exclusion. We urge you to sign the e-mail petition below to help our Russian friends kick racists, bigots, and pro-Putin forces out of the emerging anti-globalisation movement in Russia. The events which soured the Russian delegation to Genoa must not happen again! From the Executive Committee International Solidarity with Workers in Russia - ISWoR - - -
Re: [CTRL] Rabbi Yosef
-Caveat Lector- Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- Sorry but Rabbi Yosef wasn't being quoted as someone representative of all Jews but as a member, possibly a very influential member, of the Knesset. The other quite legitimate point being made is that his comments are conveniently ignored in the Western media whilst statements by rabid Muslims and anti-Jews are widely reported. Why are Israelis, extremists or otherwise, never called to account by the press like their Palestinian brethren? They are. It just doesn't happen as often. The majority of Jews don't see it as a religious war while the Arabs do. See CTRL archives for the times Jewish religious fanatics have made similar statements. J2 On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- shas is a fringe group they are disturbing fanatics, and evil motherfuckers to boot quoting shas is like quoting Islamic jihad, and pretending that is the opinion of all Muslims it's specious at best fuck shas fuck fanatics fuck people who only view things in a one sided manner there are evil violent racist fuckers on both sides of this issue the sooner we admit to that the sooner we can stop the killing If the people here who posted on only anti - Israeli stuff ever posted anything pro Israeli or anti Palestinian, or visa versa, maybe I could take them seriously if its one sided, its not comprehensive, its propaganda at best fuck religion fuck race fuck separatism fuck shas fuck genocidal Israelis and genocidal Arabs fuck people who actually think there are good guys in this situation -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:07:30 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Rabbi Yosef -Caveat Lector- http://www.mediamonitors.net/heller2.html Media Monitors Network .where truth prevails Posted: August 20, 2001 Toll-free: 1 866 MediaNet E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not a Word by Stanley Heller When the President of Syria made anti-Jewish statements what was the response? There was wide media coverage, angry editorials and denunciations by public figures. Excellent, but what happens when the shoe is on the other foot? An important Jewish politician makes repeated racist comments and calls for the murder of Arabs. The response? Total silence. The politician is Ovidah Yosef of the Shas Party, which is a powerful part of the Israeli governing coalition. The French News Service AFP reports that on July 27 Yosef, a rabbi, gave a sermon on Israeli radio in which he said, In the old city of Jerusalem they're swarming like ants. They should go to hell -- and the Messiah will speed them on their way. The sermon was broadcast by Israeli Army Radio, giving it semi-official government standing. Earlier this year Yosef denounced Arabs as snakes and vipers. He has actually gone far beyond these disgusting references. He's twice called for the mass murder of Arabs. In a pre-Passover sermon in April Ha'aretz news service reported that he said Arabs were an enemy of the Jewish people and that, It is forbidden to be merciful to them, you must give them missiles, with relish - annihilate them. Evil ones, damnable ones. The news service stated that Rabbi Yosef, who has also attacked Israeli leftists and others in graphic terms, also was quoted as saying 'May the Holy Name visit retribution on the Arabs' heads, and cause their seed to be lost, and annihilate them, and cause them to be vanquished and cause them to be cast from the world.' Back in 1989 the Shas Party issued a campaign booklet that included a prayer calling for a shoah (holocaust) of Arabs. Yosef wrote the preface to the booklet. A person who has talked this poison year after year obviously should be driven from public life. The major media should be campaigning. Political leaders in Israel and the U.S. and clergymen from every political persuasion should be condemning his views. Yosef should be kicked out of any elected, appointed or spiritual position he has with Shas. Yet none of this has happened. In the U.S. there is scarcely a newspaper or TV
[CTRL] U.S. Post Office puts...
-Caveat Lector- Some years ago, the US Post Office put out a series of stamps honoring a fat redneck drug addict who killed himself by over eating, and over dosing. Return to Sender. Address unknown. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jewish Terrorists Kill 130 SHEEP!!! What's Next???
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59764group=webcast Jewish Terrorists Exterminate 130 Sheep Belonging to a Palestinian This is an OUTRAGEOUS misuse of language. It should read Jewish Terrorists ASSASSINATE 130 sheep belonging to a Palestinian. You guys need to be consistant with propaganda otherwise it becomes confusing to the general public. Remember. Every time there's some kind of death, it shuld be called an Isreali assassination. J2 20 August 01 Occupied Jerusalem - Jewish terrorists on Monday exterminated more than 130 sheep belonging to a Palestinian peasant at the village of Akraba near Nablus. According to eyewitnesses, the heavily-armed settlers riddled the herd with bullets from their automatic rifles and threatened to murder the shepherd. Earlier, the same settlers spread fields and grazing land in the area with poisonous substances, causing the death of many cows, sheep and goats. The Israeli occupation army uses the often-rabid settlers to terrorize and harass Palestinian farmers and peasants throughout the Palestinian countryside as part of its overall campaign of terror against the Palestinian people. Since the outbreak of the Palestinian intifada more than tent months ago, the settlers murdered over 50 Palestinian civilians, many of them simple peasants tilling their fields. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: http://www.rense.com/general12/cmmasd.htm Zionism Removed From UN Racism Communique I know your disappointed sweetie. Maybe we can call Zionism something else it isn't just to please you and Saba and the Neo-Nazis and the Arabs. I'll talk to my uncle Hymie who is one of the original elders of Zion or Sion as Saba likes to call it. He is omnipotent you know. He can get the UN to equate Zionism with anything you make up. Pick a good one eh? Poor baby. I feel your pain. J2 8-19-1 GENEVA - Diplomats say they've removed anti-Israeli remarks in a statement being prepared for a United Nations conference on racism at the end of the month. The United States and Israel had both threatened to boycott the meeting, set to begin in Durban, South Africa on Aug. 31, unless the text was changed. Arab states wanted the document to single out Israel as a racist occupying power, but the UN doesn't equate Zionism with racism so the final communique was changed. Not all hurdles have been removed, however. Officials are still wrangling over how to address recent bloodshed in the Middle East without offending either side. Last week in Geneva, negotiations over the exact wording of the conference's final document collapsed. More negotiations are scheduled. Even if the sensitive issue of language is dealt with, a boycott may still go ahead. The United States is also upset over a plan to include colonial slavery and victims' reparations on the conference's agenda. It's not the first time Washington has bickered with UN officials over topics for a meeting on racism. The U.S. boycotted two previous conferences for similar reasons. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Capitalism at work: US boom bypassed middle class
-Caveat Lector- The Hindustan Times August 20, 2001 US boom bypassed middle class PTI New York, August 19 THE ECONOMIC boom of the last decades mostly benefited the richest of the American population, bypassing the middle class, a new survey has revealed. The fruits from economic growth in the last few decades were enjoyed by a surprisingly small part of the population, the top 20 per cent, and particularly the richest one per cent, the results of the survey, published in the Milken Institute Review, said. Edward Wolff, who conducted the survey, debunked the theory that the rising economic tide helped everyone from the richest to the poorest. Living conditions of the middle class stagnated in the 1990s and household debt rose in the last two decades, mostly due to a rise in mortgage debt, Wolff found. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NM: War with China
-Caveat Lector- MIKE SPITZER wrote: -Caveat Lector- Chinese missile data http://www.softwar.net/dongfeng.html War with China by Charles R. Smith On the first day of World War III, the United States lost two thirds of its military and nearly one-half its population, yielding superiority to communist China. U.S. orders of the day were of high alert; and there is simply no evading the fact that we were not ready. The Chinese rain of missiles on U.S. installations and homeland cities was a military masterpiece. The People's Liberation Army Second Artillery Corp achieved complete surprise, armed only with a small force of over 300 tactical and 10 strategic missiles. Defenseless against the attack, U.S. forces in Hawaii, Alaska, South Korea, and Japan were quickly over-whelmed by the guided warheads of the Chinese missiles. The bombs plunged out of the inky blackness of space, striking within seconds of each other. The rain of death fell swiftly upon a sleeping America with precise and devastating accuracy. In a span of little more than 30 minutes, China wiped out Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, San Diego, Chicago, Washington, Boston, New York, Hawaii, Manila, Seoul, Taipei, and Tokyo. China sank five U.S. carriers, seven Ohio class submarines, vaporized over two hundred MX and Minuteman missiles and destroyed over 800 combat aircraft including fifteen B-2 strategic bombers. The strikes also killed more than one hundred million people without the loss of a single PLA soldier. The Second Artillery succeeded by striking key U.S. bases, warships and air fields with a swift and bold attack. The attack left China with 10 remaining strategic missiles and nearly 300 tactical missiles, holding the devastated U.S. homeland hostage to another strike. Despite the calls to retaliate, sending the scattered remains of U.S. nuclear forces against China would not stop another attack on America, nor would it stop the PLA Generals who ordered the first. There is no question that the U.S. strategic missiles could devastate the Chinese homeland. However, killing hundreds of millions of innocent Chinese citizens would do little to deter the warlords in Beijing from launching the second wave of ten missiles while remaining hidden inside bombproof tunnels. China's sudden and brutal attack forced America to surrender on Beijing's terms. In little more than forty-eight hours, China won the Third World War. NO U.S. DEFENSE AGAINST ATTACK Fiction? Then consider this fact: The United States has no defense against a missile attack. The U.S. has NO missile defense and is only testing a limited system that might stop one or two missiles. Those who minimize the Chinese strategic forces frequently state that China has only 20 missiles. These people are fools playing games with the lives of millions of innocent humans. They fail to mention that each Chinese strategic missile is tipped with a multi-megaton H-bomb that can vaporize a city. In the previous scenario, Chinese forces used only half their current strategic and tactical missiles in a single attack, turning ten of the top U.S. cities and most of free Asia into charred, radioactive wastelands. China apologists also question whether Beijing is willing to wage war against America. However, the Chinese military makes it very clear they want nuclear combat with the U.S.A. According to an August 1999 policy document published by the People's Liberation Army Office of The Central Military Command, unlike Iraq and Yugoslavia, China is not only a big country, but also possesses a nuclear arsenal that has long since been incorporated into state warfare system and play a real role in our national defense. In comparison with the U.S. nuclear arsenal, our disadvantage is mainly numeric, which in real wars the qualitative gap will be reflected only as different requirement of strategic theory, states the PLA military document. In terms of deterrence, there is not any difference in practical value. So far we have built up the capability for the second and third nuclear strikes and are fairly confident in fighting a nuclear war. The PCC (communist Party Central Committee) has decided to pass though formal channels this message to the top leaders in the U.S. China also has recently tested a new long-range missile capable of reaching America, the DF-31. The DF-31 is capable of delivering a single multi-megaton H-bomb or up to three 90 Kiloton nuclear bombs. The most recent DF-31 test took place earlier this year and some Pentagon analysts expect the PLA Second Artillery will begin active deployment of DF-31 units early next year. 1000 NUCLEAR MISSILES BY 2006 Clearly, China apologists must seriously consider the growing capability of Beijing's nuclear missile forces, including the tremendous build up of short-range tactical missiles. China continues to deploy short-range Dong Feng or East Wind
[CTRL] Yale and the Price of Slavery
-Caveat Lector- August 18, 2001 Yale and the Price of Slavery By HENRY WIENCEK CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va.--In 1852 a wealthy Mississippi cotton planter, Robert Hairston, suddenly fell ill. With death overtaking him, he frantically dictated a will in which he revealed that he had a child, his only one, a 5-year-old girl who was a slave. With his last breath he commanded his family to have the girl set free and bequeathed to her his entire estate land, cash and slaves worth over $1 million. Hairston's white relatives, all quite wealthy, could not bear to see that much money pass to a black. They decided to make her disappear and divided up her property among themselves. To cover their tracks, they called the father a lunatic and stuck to that story for generations. They told a judge the girl was dead and sent her off to a distant plantation. One hundred and sixty years later, while researching a book, I discovered through court records and oral history in the area what had really happened. This tale of theft on a massive scale has a deeper significance; it reveals some of the psyche of the masters. The white family could never claim they did not know what they were doing, that through some defect in their perception they did not comprehend that this slave was a human being. She was one of them. She probably looked like them. But cash trumped blood. I was reminded of that story this week when three researchers released a report on Yale University's deep entanglement in slavery. In response to the report, John H. McWhorter, a linguist at the University of California at Berkeley, defended Yale's reputation, saying, Slavery when those people lived was largely an unquestioned part of existence. It's downright inappropriate to render a moral judgment . . . based on moral standards which didn't exist at that time. Yale's administration, in a defensive feint, noted in responding to the report's publication that few, if any, institutions or individuals from the period before Emancipation remained untainted by slavery. This is the presentism defense, which can be useful for almost any era and almost any misdeed. But it is most commonly deployed when the morality of slavery comes up: We must forgive them because they did not know what they were doing. Presentism is very often advanced in defense of America's founders. It is comforting to think that their generation, so distant in time from us, lived in a condition of moral ignorance, and thus innocence, regarding slavery. But that is not the case. Even Thomas Jefferson, some of whose statements exhibit an almost demented racism, could see clearly that slavery utterly compromised the nation: I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever, Jefferson wrote. The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us. George Washington was an enthusiastic slaveholder in his early decades, buying slaves to build himself a plantation empire; but by the end of his life he found slavery repugnant. In his will Washington freed his slaves and specified that the children be educated, believing that with education and training the freed children of slaves could take a more fruitful and productive place in Virginia society. If we accept the statement that it's downright inappropriate to render a moral judgment on slavery, we are more willing to accept slavery than George Washington was. If the founders had such misgivings over slavery, how is it that they allowed slavery to continue? The answer is not that they didn't know any better, but that they kept slavery so the Southern states would join the union. It was a transaction, a deal, just like the deal that put the national capital on the Potomac in exchange for the federal assumption of states' debts and not unlike the deal the Hairstons made in causing their kin to disappear. With their eyes open, the founders traded away the rights of African-Americans, many of whom had fought bravely in the Revolution, so that the national enterprise could go forward. This country was founded upon a bargain for which we continue to pay the price. We compound the mistake by draping a veil of innocence over the transaction. The true beneficiary of the presentism defense is not the past but the present it guards and preserves our fervent wish to have sprung from innocent origins. Henry Wiencek, Yale 1974, won the National Book Critics' Circle Award for The Hairstons: An American Family in Black and White. He is writing a book about George Washington and slavery. Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor
[CTRL] How it's done: Revolving doors.
-Caveat Lector- No this isn't do it yourself instructions for the home carpenter. - Nurev == Bailout Watch -- Keeping an eye on the energy industry and the politicians FTCR is publishing a newsletter on developments in the California energy crisis. Back issues are available at http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/utilities/st/ -- Bailout Watch #67 Friday, August 17, 2001 From Regulator to Regulated in two easy steps. First, use your high-power government job to allow corporations to make billions more than they should. Then, resign. Curt Hebert's seat at the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) was still warm when the energy regulator-in-chief announced his move to the ranks of the regulated as an executive at Entergy Corporation -- a private power producer under the FERC's regulatory purview. As chair of FERC, Hebert's anti-enforcement policies made the commission look like an industry front group. Hebert stubbornly resisted rate relief for California, and tirelessly championed the very policies that laid waste to the state's economy while enriching private companies. By stepping through the revolving door between government and industry, Hebert makes public service look like a pre-corporate incubation period. The public trust is violated when officials like Hebert treat government jobs as stepping stones to more profitable, consumer-gouging enterprises. Why do they call it a REVOLVING door? Because they get us coming and going. While Hebert is enjoying the corporate digs, the energy industry is sending new troops into the regulatory agency. Pat Wood, FERC's chairman-to-be, plans to enlist energy company employees to be his regulatory watchdogs. The best kind of hire would be someone who has done this on the other side, Wood told the SF Chronicle. As Californians worry about the impact of energy company shareholders signing power contracts in Sacramento, it's worth worrying about what happens in DC when energy industry employees are entrusted with the responsibility of regulating their former (and future?) employers. Edison customer newsletter: History Blackout. The August edition of Southern California Edison's Customer Connection newsletter features a Did You Know section that states: the movement to deregulate California's electric industry was started in the mid-1990s by state regulators in response to large energy users, who believed competition would result in lower retail rates...SCE and other utilities strongly opposed the idea. But wait a minute--in 1995, before the deregulation law had even been drafted, Edison CEO John Bryson was quoted in the Los Angeles Times as saying that the deregulation plan proposed by state regulators was the best, soundest way to move to a desirable competitive market that will benefit all customers. He also praised the actual dereg law in 1996. If Edison wanted to give its customers an accurate representation of California's jaunt over the cliff of deregulation, it might read like this: Did you know that... California's three private utilities, including Edison, joined big energy users to ramrod deregulation through the state legislature and succeeded in getting the legislature to freeze customer's rates at 50% above the national average, despite plummeting wholesale energy prices, in order to collect $20 billion in surcharges as of June, 2000? And did you know that SCE's parent company pocketed this overcharge revenue and invested in lucrative global operations benefiting Edison International's shareholders? Leave us alone already. First, Wall Street joined in the chorus calling on California to deregulate. Next, Wall Street told California to bail the utilities out of the mess created by deregulation. And on Tuesday, a Wall Street analyst told Bloomberg News that state utility regulators should have very little oversight regarding rate increases. Thanks for the advice. . .but no thanks. If you are interested in joining the FTCR Blackout Brigades go to: http://consumerwatchdog.org/citizen/blackout/sub_blackout.php3 Judgment Day: 445 Days Until November 5, 2002. FTCR is a non-profit, non-partisan advocacy organization. For in-depth information on the utility deregulation disaster, to DONATE and join the campaign to fight the bailout, or to comment, visit our web site at www.ratepayerrevolt.org. 310-392-0522 xt.309. ) 2001 FTCR 1750 Ocean Park Bl., Suite 200 Santa Monica, CA 90405 www.consumerwatchdog.org A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread
Re: [CTRL] suffer the little children
-Caveat Lector- Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/14/2001 12:27:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The blood of these innocents stains all our hands but the hands that it stains the most are Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, American President George Bush, and all the Arab leaders who are either drunk or might as well be because they seem to be completely oblivious to the Palestinian Holocaust that is going on right under their upturned noses. One can deplore this situation, but nothing will change except it will become easier to kill children. I believe one gets used to it. In Rio de Janairo they hunt them down in the streets like stray dogs. It's a kind of sport. Obviously the Israeli enjoy the same sport. Prudy I just want to clarify that you are saying that Israelis kill children for sport. Is that right Prudy? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Capitalism at work: Human Stem Cells ALREADY PATENTED. Owning life and health.
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Human Stem Cells ALREADY PATENTED -- US Officials in Bind Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:15:26 -0500 (CDT) From: VERACARE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; VERACARE: Alliance for Human Research Protection (AHRP) Tel: 212-595-8974 FAX: 212-595-9086 [EMAIL PROTECTED] FYI It may come as a shock to most folks, but the University of Wisconsin has cornered the market, it owns the sole patent rights to primate and human stem cells, patent # 6,200,806. The dynamic of the stem cell research debate now moves to its inevitable commercial arena--where neither science nor philosophy or religion have any influence. The commercialization of human life is now taking center stage as patent rights--intellectual property rights and contracts, not human values, determine who and what research goes forth, be it government or privately-funded research. The Times reports that the University's research foundation is already suing the very biotech company that it had contracted with. Does patent law override all other laws as well as our natural birthright? Where are the ethicists ? ~~ http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/17/health/genetics/17CELL.html?pagewanted=pri nt THE NEW YORK TIMES AUG 17, 2001 Patent Laws May Determine Shape of Stem Cell Research By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG ASHINGTON, Aug. 16 - As they carry out President Bush's plan for government financing of embryonic stem cell studies, federal health officials confront a daunting challenge: United States patent 6,200,806, a claim to the human embryonic stem cell. The patent, held by a foundation at the University of Wisconsin, is apparently the only one of its kind in the world, leaving the university in such a powerful position that next week the health officials will begin negotiations in hopes of reaching an agreement to allow federally financed scientists broad access to the cells. The patent, which covers both the method of isolating the cells and the cells themselves, gives the Wisconsin foundation control over who may work in the United States with stem cells, and for what purpose. In turn, the foundation has granted important rights to a biotechnology company, the Geron Corporation of Menlo Park, Calif., giving that company considerable say over who ultimately profits from stem cell therapies. This complex tangle of intellectual-property rights and contracts is now a pressing concern at the National Institutes of Health, the agency charged with putting President Bush's plan into effect. Next week, representatives from the foundation, the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation, or WARF, are to meet with officials at the institutes to take the first steps toward negotiating access to stem cells. I don't want people to see us as an 800-pound gorilla, Carl Gulbrandsen, the foundation's managing director, said. We will work very hard with the government to make sure that there is access to this technology and that our patents are not an impediment to researchers. But many scientists fear that the foundation's restrictions might hinder research on cells that hold promise for treating and curing some of mankind's most devastating diseases. And though legal experts say it could be challenged in court, the Wisconsin patent could help push stem cell science overseas. Mr. Bush said that 60 lines, or self- sustaining colonies, of stem cells exist in laboratories around the world, and said that under his program, government scientists would be free to work with any of them. But the government does not have control over whether those cell lines get to researchers, according to Mr. Gulbrandsen, federal health officials and patent law experts. If the cell lines match the description in the broadly worded Wisconsin patent, these experts say, their owners must obtain approval from the foundation before distributing them. That has scientists worried. The whole point of this, surely, is to get good cells into the hands of researchers, said Dr. Ron D. McKay, who has conducted promising research on mouse embryonic stem cells at the National Institutes of Health and is eager to work with the human cells. I think that it is unclear, in practice, how easy it will be to get these cells. As far as experts know, the United States is the only nation to have issued a patent on human embryonic stem cells. The patent is valid only in this country; the foundation has also applied for patents in Europe. And at least two foreign biotechnology companies say their cell lines may fall outside Wisconsin's claim and have applied for patents of their own in the United States and elsewhere. A patent gives its owner the right to exclude other people from making, using, selling or importing their invention. So researchers in other countries have a double advantage, said Rebecca S. Eisenberg, an expert in biotechnology and patent law at the University of Michigan. Other nations, notably
[CTRL] It's time to kill off these persons.
-Caveat Lector- http://tompaine.com/opinion/2001/07/12/3.html IS THE CORPORATION OBSOLETE? Corporate Irresponsibility? Predatory Behavior? Blame the Charter -- and Rewrite it Jonathan Rowe is a fellow at the Tamales Bay Institute and a contributing editor of the Washington Monthly. Editor's Note: This piece originally appeared in the Washington Monthly. It is reprinted with permission. It is a sign of immersion that the thing immersed doesn't notice. The fish, famously, is not aware of water. Dick Cheney and George W. Bush cannot see past their allegiance to the oil industry because it's all they know -- their water. So it is with the corporation. Over the last century and a half, the corporation has become the dominant institution of American life, the envelope of existence, as one writer put it. It defines work, entertainment, politics, transportation, the way people think about their bodies and the world. Increasingly it dominates the cognitive environment of daily life. For all the kvetching about government, the corporation permeates our lives in much more basic ways. Yet the more pervasive the corporation becomes, the less we seem to notice. It's just the way things are, the new normal, and rapidly it is becoming the norm for the entire world. This has been the subtext of recent trade agreements, and the implicit agenda that has inspired the opposition to the World Trade Organization. Protestors in Seattle and elsewhere have not been opposing trade per se. One might as well oppose the morning. The issue rather is who controls this trade, under what terms and to what ends. As it has evolved over the last 150 years, the American corporation is more than just a mode of business. It is an agenda, the organizing principle for an entire society -- the embedding in the institutional matrix of the single-minded quest for monetary gain. Apologists may protest to larger aims, or at least effects. But the soul of the corporation is the charter, and corporate charters speak for themselves. They say that the company exists to make money and for no other reason. The question today is whether that governing concern is large enough to serve as organizing principle for the entire world. The question may seem eccentric, even naove, in these economically triumphant times. Yet back in the days when the corporation was still new and its impact clear, the question was of obsessive concern. President Lincoln expressed this in a 19th-century version of Eisenhower's military-industrial complex speech. Corporations have been enthroned, Lincoln said. An era of corruption in high places will follow ... until wealth is aggregated in a few hands ... and the Republic is destroyed. Lincoln knew a thing or two about threats to the Republic. The question continued as farmer-populists and Progressives led the drive for regulations and restraints. Presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Taft, and Wilson all called for federal chartering of large corporations, as Madison, with unusual foresight, had urged at the Constitutional Convention. Roosevelt even created a Federal Bureau of Corporations because of these concerns. But soon enough the corporate economy became simply the economy in the majestic singular. It was helped greatly by a fledgling advertising industry, which cast it in friendly and even patriotic terms, and by an economics profession that served as apologist and booster. Most important of all, prosperity had a quieting effect -- the sedation of Huxley's Brave New World as opposed to the statist oppression of Orwell's 1984. The 1990s were such a time, of course. But as regularly happens, the wheel is turning once again. The stock market is no longer a money machine for the masses, and the jazzy new technology -- the microchip -- is becoming a bit old hat. The energy situation, moreover, has brought dirty old industries such as oil and coal back to center stage. After Clinton's off-and-on embraces, the Bush administration has seized the role of Monica to the suits. At the same time, corporations are showing a degree of raw aggression that is unsettling to say the least. They are claiming new territory in virtually every dimension of existence, from the personal space that is assaulted by huckstering and cell phones to the Star Wars initiative, which will stake a commercial claim to the farthest reaches of outer space. They are taking control of the quest for knowledge at universities, and are moving even to claim the gene pool and the processes of life itself. Perhaps this helps explain why the looming invasion of oil companies into the nation's parks and wilderness areas has become so symbolically charged. It captures in a single image what is happening already in American life. Put all this together, and it is not surprising that there are efforts to revive the debate that was aborted a century ago and to inquire into the nature of the institution that the United States is seeking to launch into a global role. The
Re: [CTRL] US And Other Activists Back Palestinians
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- AUGUST 17, 06:17 EDT Foreign Activists Back Palestinians Didn't see YOUR name there buddy. Didn't see Prudy's or Colleen's either. Don't disappoint us now guys. Put you ass where your mouth is and head on down to the Holyland. Show those Israeli Nazis what you can do. My cousin Moshe-the-Masher is REALLY looking forward to seeing you Colleen. He's been dulling his blunt instrument in anticipation and reciting the Jewish prayer for god to send under medicated psychopaths from the trailers of the heartland. Oooh baby. Joshua2 By JASON KEYSER Associated Press Writer AL KHADER, West Bank (AP) - As a 13-year-old Palestinian boy bulldozed an Israeli roadblock in the center of his town, three dozen foreign sympathizers stood guard. Israeli soldiers watched from a hilltop Thursday as Sultan Khaled Mousasbiah jerked the gears of the rusting yellow bulldozer and pushed down an unmanned barrier, made of a hollowed out city bus and heaps of dirt, rock and cement. For the Palestinians of this town south of Bethlehem, it was a small victory. For the international group of demonstrators, it was mostly a symbolic one. Like the last time they helped demolish the roadblock, they understood that Israeli soldiers were likely to put it back up. Among them was Heidi Arraf, a 25-year-old Palestinian-American who moved to Jerusalem a year ago and has helped put together an umbrella group of activists called the International Solidarity Movement. The group supports Palestinians in their struggle for statehood and hopes to help end nearly 11 months of violence. ``Our governments are calling for the same thing - you must take action to end the violence. But no one is taking action. We are,'' Arraf said, using her hand to shield her eyes from the setting sun as she watched Israeli soldiers on the hillside. About 80 activists from the United States, Germany, Italy, France, England and other European countries responded to mass e-mail calls to come to the region this month to join local activists for two weeks of semi-spontaneous demonstrations. For the last two weeks they have scuffled with Israeli police who took over the unofficial Palestinian headquarters in east Jerusalem after a bloody suicide bombing attack in the Jewish section of the city, spent the night with Palestinian families in nearby Beit Jalla during firefights with Israelis and held demonstrations. As the demonstrators marched through Al Khader, a small Palestinian boy, a blue T-shirt wrapped around his head showing only eyes, ran into the street, holding a toy machine gun he made out of black tape and cardboard. Irene Siegel, 36, a student at the University of California at Berkley, expressed concern. ``Who are their role models? What do they aspire to be? Where are they going to go to get their education?'' she said. Siegel, one of 20 Americans in the group, is a Jew who came from Cairo, where she is participating in an Islamic studies program. Standing next to her was Linda Bevis, 40, a history teacher at Renton High School in Seattle. She and her husband spent a night with a Palestinian family in the divided West Bank city of Hebron, where there are almost daily exchanges of fire as Palestinians shoot at Jewish enclaves and soldiers fire back. ``At a certain point, when people are being shot and killed on a regular basis the only way to nonviolently stop it is to put your bodies in between the shooters and the people who are being shot,'' she said. After members of the group tried to act as human shields in front of Palestinians during an exchange of fire, an Israeli official wondered why they weren't protecting the Israelis. Fighting broke out last September after peace talks broke down. Israel charges that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is using the violence to try to wring further concessions out of Israel. The Palestinians counter that Israel is using excessive force. Their main argument is that Israel's 34-year occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is the primary cause of the violence. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A
Re: [CTRL] To die for.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/16/01 10:39:51 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You DO know that Monica Lewinsky was a Mossad agent don't you? Are you suggesting that this possibility is absurd? Why exactly are you on this list if not only to parrot the ADL/Zionist line? Bill. === I was on this list long before you started doodling here cowboy. I have done more in defining and developing the REAL conspiracy of our era than just about anyone else. And not just here either. I don't deal with Jewish subjects unless they are racist crap like yours. I don't care if you support the Palestinians or not. But if you do, and post drivel I'll call you on it. I'll say it again so that even a clown like you can understand. I am not a Zionist and never was. I don't even like the ADL because I hate establishment elites. What you in your pathetic Saba like ignorance call the ADL/Zionist line is simply what we all have in common. It makes no difference if you like that or not. And yes the Lewinsky thing is absurd.(Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.) And so are you and your looney reptilians. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You can't always get what you wan't.
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- And in that dual identity lies the key to his anger--and to the rage of thousands of Israeli Arabs who have joined the street protests here in recent days. Life is tough when you're an enemy isn't it? J2 BUT BUT BUT! J2, aren't these enemies one of your treasured non Jewish Israeli citizens!!! Aren't these enemies merely unholding the honored, world renowned reputation of Israel as a multicultural secular society where everyone has a voice?? flw No they are not. But there are those which are. They are Druze Arabs, and even Israeli Arabs who are afraid to speak up for fear of getting called a collaborator and their throats cut. There are Asians too. But the Palestinians who want an end to Israel, whether through terror, political means, demographics, or war, are enemies. And the people who determine that are the Israelis. Not outsiders. Not the US, or the Danes, or the French, or the Belgians, or the Russians, or the Saudis. It's called self determination. If the Palestinians would like some, they should overthrow that stupid monarchy on the other side of the river and establish an independent state in the Arab half of Palestine. Then they could show their stuff. They could build a modern state with a modern infrastructure and a modern military. Then they could go to war with Israel if they like, and instead of killing civilians in pizza shops, they could fight with real war toys like the Israelis do. Now isn't that a more realistic scenario? They will NEVER get Israel back. They need to make new plans. They don't have many options available to them. The hard, hard fact is that they are not important enough a group for the world's powers to risk Middle East oil for. This is realpolitik. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] To die for.
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- Nude female soldiers new 'Zionist' weapon This IS a Monty Python sketch, isn't it? Or perhaps an old Benny Hill routine? June ;-) No. No. I'm afraid it's true. You know those damn Jews will do anything to hurt poor clean living Palestinians. You DO know that Monica Lewinsky was a Mossad agent don't you? Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Vatican Slander Allegation Unwarranted
-Caveat Lector- Vatican Slander Allegation Unwarranted For Immediate Release August 9, 2001 Jonathan Levy and Tom Easton, Attorneys Tel. 513-528-0586 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vatican spokesman Rev. Peter Gumpel has accused Jewish historians on a special Holocaust commission of ``clearly incorrect behavior,'' charging that they have helped mount a ``slanderous campaign'' against the Catholic Church. Gumpel said several of the Jewish members of the commission had ``publicly spread the suspicion'' that the Holy See was trying to hide documents ``that in their judgment could be compromising.'' However, World War II era documents in possession of attorneys suing the Vatican Bank for laundering Nazi gold tell a different story. According to Jonathan Levy, co-counsel for plaintiffs in the class action lawsuit, Alperin v. Vatican Bank, plenty of evidence already exists to tarnish the reputations of both Pope Pius XII and his successor Paul VI. I don#8217;t understand the Vatican position, said Levy, Army counterintelligence documents from 1945-1947 period document Nazi war criminals from the Balkans being sheltered at the Vatican. The then Vatican Secretary of State Montini, later Paul VI, met regularly with Ante Pavelic, known as the Butcher of the Balkans. The lawsuit against the Vatican Bank and Franciscan Order is based in part on a 1998 US State Department report that implicates the Vatican in the laundering of Nazi gold. The Vatican is widely believed to have destroyed incriminating documents. Pius XII and Paul VI were in bed with the Nazis acting as their landlord, travel agent, and banker, said Levy, referring to the Vatican sheltering of Nazi war criminals in safe houses, Vatican provided escape routes or ratlines to South America, and use of the Vatican Bank to launder Nazi funds. Levy says he will make available on his firm#8217;s web site copies of the most damning documents including one authored by Special Agent William Gowen, one of the few remaining witnesses to Vatican complicity with former Nazis. www.vaticanbankclaims.com/press.html www.vaticanbankclaims.com/pavelic.htm www.vaticanbankclaims.com/paul.htm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Vatican Slander Allegation Unwarranted
-Caveat Lector- Aleisha Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hey you want to know about Nazi gold? Contact Mel Fischer at Key West with his notorious gold ships - that cost the life of his son and daughter... Now I wonder how Mel knew where the gold was? And how some of he treasures ended up being sold on Home Shopping Network? You see there were two ships, they were partnersthe one sank day of the big haul. What is Mel Fischer - or was he, Irish? Friend of mine had a coin from his ship which had been given to her personally - the ship went down in 1600 period - yet this coin was dated 1711 which was a luckey number perhaps? Better check out Mel Fischer's gold that guess what - it is said some was tested, and it was dental gold - maybe taken from the 55 million? Saba You're an idiot. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You can't always get what you wan't.
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- If you only knew SOMETHING about the subject, this would be fun. But you argue out of complete ignorance. Israel has non Jewish citizens. Many. Of different varieties. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THESE WORDS??? Yes I understand. See the following: Restive Israeli Arabs Complain Of Having 'No Rights, No Dignity' By Lee Hockstader Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday , October 3, 2000 ; Page A19 UMM EL FAHM, Israel, Oct. 2 -- There is no immediate reason to assume that Ghassan Abbas would be a bitter man. A successful Israeli actor, Abbas has played a range of television and stage roles that have earned him a degree of fame, a respectable income and an array of imported creature comforts. But while Abbas is an Israeli citizen, he is also an Arab and a Muslim. And in that dual identity lies the key to his anger--and to the rage of thousands of Israeli Arabs who have joined the street protests here in recent days. We're finished with apartheid in South Africa, but now it's come over here to Palestine, said Abbas, 43, who pulled his Volkswagen behind a warehouse on the outskirts of this north Israeli town to talk as rioting raged a couple of hundred yards up the street. When Jews in Israel hit a soldier or throw stones at a soldier or push a soldier, the police chief says, 'We can't do anything because we don't want to hurt people's feelings.' But it seems the Arabs don't have feelings, or aren't allowed to express them. Life is tough when you're an enemy isn't it? In an extraordinary explosion of fury, Arab citizens of Nazareth, Umm el Fahm and other towns in northern Israel have swarmed onto the streets since Friday, joining violent protests against Jewish rule by their Palestinian brethren in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Let me tell you about Umn el Fahm. I happen to know that town because they were my neighbor. The name means Mother of (Char-)Coal. In the old old days they produced charcoal for Arab food cookers. It happens that in 1948 half the town was on Israeli land, and half the town was on the other side which belonged to Jordan. It straddled the border. Now I want you to understand what I'm about to tell you. The half on the Israeli side had sewers and running water. People I know went to the town to deliver babies and teach the mothers how to take care of them. They weren't paid for this. They did it because they were neighbors. Needless to say, the quality of life for these people was much better than the quality of life for their relatives across the street. They had access to Israel's socialized health care system in the same hospitals as the Jews. They had electricity. The people across the main road in middle of town who lived in Jordan, LIVED LIKE DOGS. And they died like dogs. Arabs will never have power in the Jewish State. They will be second class citizens. No doubt about it. Now here comes the big question flw... ready? If they don't like being second class citizens, why don't they leave? This isn't meant to be snide. It's a serious question. If you want to know the answer, here it is... UMM EL FAHM, Israel, Oct. 2 -- There is no immediate reason to assume that Ghassan Abbas would be a bitter man. A successful Israeli actor, Abbas has played a range of television and stage roles that have earned him a degree of fame, a respectable income and an array of imported creature comforts. With all the problems they have, Israeli Arabs would not even move 10 miles to live exclusively among their own on the West Bank much less to an Arab country where they would STILL be second class, or worse. No group is FORCED to stay in Israel. Do you understand? When the Jews couldn't stand it anymore they moved from Russia, Poland, Germany, Ukraine, etc. The same with the Huguenots. The same with almost every ethnic group who ever ran from their oppressors. The Israeli Arabs have something going in Israel. The Israeli Arabs, who generally have no firearms, have attacked Israeli forces with stones, slingshots and molotov cocktails. Today, in a sharp escalation of violence, Israeli troops fired on Israeli Arabs in Umm el Fahm and elsewhere, killing six. A seventh, who was injured Sunday, died of his wounds today. Now they have become the enemy. Being an ' enemy ' is considerably worse than being a second class citizen. As a second class citizen you can have a fairly decent life. As an enemy you can have no life. It was the bloodiest instance of Israeli troops firing on the country's Arab population since 1976, when riots broke out in protest of government land expropriations. END OF ARTICLE
[CTRL] Worse than the cure. Argentina is dying.
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Who Shot Argentina? Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:54:55 -0500 (CDT) From: MichaelP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; http://www.gregpalast.com/ Observer (London) Sunday, August 12, 2001 by Greg Palast Who Shot Argentina? The Finger Prints On the Smoking Gun Read I.M.F.' And news this week in South America is that Argentina died, or at least its economy. One in six workers were unemployed even before the beginning of this grim austral winter. Millions more have lost work as industrial production, already down 25% for the year, fell into a coma induced by interest rates which, by one measure, have jumped to over 90% on dollar-denominated borrowings. This is an easy case to crack. Next to the still warm corpse of Argentina's economy, the killer had left a smoking gun with his fingerprints all over it. The murder weapon is called, Technical Memorandum of Understanding, dated September 5, 2000. It signed by Pedro Pou, President of the Central Bank of Argentina for transmission to Horst Kohler, Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund. 'Inside Corporate America' received a complete copy of the 'Understanding' along with attachments and a companion letter from the Argentine Economics Ministry to the IMF from ... well, let's just say the envelope had no return address. Close inspection leaves no doubt that this 'Understanding' fired fatal bullets into Argentina's defenseless body. To begin with, the Understanding requires Argentina cut the government budget deficit from US$5.3 billion in 2000 to $4.1 billion in 2001. Think about that. Last September, Argentina was already on the cliff-edge of a deep recession. Even the half-baked economists at the IMF should know that holding back government spending in a contracting economy is like turning off the engines on an airplane in stall. Cut the deficit? As my 4-year old daughter would say, That's stooopid. The IMF is never wrong without being cruel as well. And so we read, under the boldface heading, improving the conditions of the poor, agreement to drop salaries under the government's emergency employment program by 20%, from $200 a month to $160. But you can't save much by taking $40 a month from the poor. For further savings, the Understanding also promised, a 12-15 percent cut in salaries of civil servants and rationalization of certain privileged pension benefits. In case you haven't a clue what the IMF means by rationalization - it means cutting payments to the aged by 13% under both public and private plans. Cut, cut, cut in the midst of a recession. Stooopid. Salted in with the IMF's bone head recommendations and mean-spirited plans for pensioners and the poor are economic forecasts which border on the delusional. In the Understanding, the globalization geniuses project that, if Argentina carries out their plans to snuff consumer spending power, somehow the nation's economic production will leap by 3.7% and unemployment decline. In fact, by the end of March, the nation's GDP had already dropped 2.1% below the year earlier mark, and nosedived since. What on Earth would induce Argentina to embrace the IMF's goofy program? The payoff, if Argentina does as it's told, is that this week the IMF lend $1.2 billion in aid. This is part of an emergency loan package of $26 billion for 2001 put together by the IMF, World Bank and private lenders announced at the end of last year. But there is less to this generosity than meets the eye. The Understanding also assumes Argentina will peg its currency, the peso, to the dollar at an exchange rate of one to one. The currency peg doesn't come cheap. American banks and speculators are charging a whopping 16% risk premium above normal in return for the dollars needed to back this currency scheme. Now do the arithmetic. On Argentina's $128 billion in debt, normal interest plus the 16% surcharge by lenders comes to about $27 billion a year. In other words, Argentina's people don't net one penny from the $26 million loan package. Little of the bail-out money escapes New York where it lingers to pay interest to US creditors holding the debt, big fish like Citibank and little biters like Steve Hanke. Hanke is President of Toronto Trust Argentina, an 'emerging market fund' which loaded up 100% on Argentine bonds during the last currency panic, in 1995. Cry not for Steve, Argentina. His annual return that year of 79.25% put the speculator's trust at the top of the speculation league table. This year he'll do it again. Hanke profits by betting on the failure of the IMF's policies. But 'vulture' investing is merely Hanke's avocation. In his day job as professor of economics at Johns Hopkins University, Maryland, he freely offers straightforward advice to end Argentina's woe, advice which would put him out of the speculation game: Abolish the IMF. To begin with, Hanke would do away with the 'peg' - that
[CTRL] All in the family.
-Caveat Lector- A father's pride and glory by Daniel Pipes The Jerusalem Post August 15, 2001 http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/08/15/Opinion/Opinion.32616.html Hours after the killing of 15 Israelis in a Jerusalem restaurant last week, the brother of the 23-year-old suicide bomber delightedly announced that this is a unique operation for its quality and success... Palestinians everywhere can now hold up their heads. Likewise, after a 22-year-old suicide bomber two months earlier killed 21 Israelis at a Tel Aviv discotheque, his father announced: I am very happy and proud of what my son did and, frankly, am a bit jealous... I wish I had done it myself. And so it has been with nearly all suicide operations - family members rejoicing at the martyrdom of their brothers and children. Some fathers even publicly announce a hope that their children will kill Israelis in suicide operations. Puzzled by this apparent denial of the primal human urge to protect one's young, President George W. Bush has commented, I just can't understand this. He is hardly alone. Two main factors account for this bizarre behavior. The first concerns the Palestinian Authority drumming into impressionable youth the glory of suicidal death while killing Israelis. PA television harps constantly on this message. On the Children's Club (a Sesame Street-like children's program), a young boy sings: When I wander into Jerusalem, I will become a suicide bomber. A repeatedly shown television clip calls on children to Drop your toys. Pick up rocks. In another, the words to a children's song go: How pleasant is the smell of martyrs, how pleasant the smell of land, the land enriched by the blood, the blood pouring out of a fresh body. Ikrima Sabri, the PA's ranking religious leader, says, The younger the martyr, the greater and the more I respect him, while praising mothers who willingly sacrifice their offspring for the sake of freedom. PA schools indoctrinate pupils on the virtues and joys of martyrdom, then honor and celebrate suicide killers. Four summer camps are currently training eight- to 12-year-olds for suicide bombings. Organizations like Hamas promise to look after the killers' families' financial needs. In all, notes Meyrav Wurmser, a Hudson Institute specialist on the indoctrination of pupils, the PA has developed a state-run ideology that pushes [children] to their death. Why does this indoctrination work and why do Palestinian families enthusiastically send their children to die? What pressure could overcome the human instinct to protect one's beloved? That pressure is not hard to locate, for it pervades Middle Eastern life. It is an unrelenting, compulsive preoccupation with family honor. The power of this obligation goes far beyond anything Westerners encounter. The fixation on family honor takes two main forms. The negative one, called ird in Arabic, concerns the sexual purity of women and it accounts for the Middle Eastern custom of murdering female relatives for perceived offenses to the family. Such honor killings are intended to purify the family from its shame; thus do brothers kill sisters, cousins kill cousins, fathers kill daughters, and even sons kill mothers. These men do so not because they want to - almost nothing could be more horrifying in the context of the tight-knit Middle Eastern family - but because they feel obliged to. Allowing a dishonored woman to remain alive brings ridicule and disdain on the entire family. In such circumstances, mere love for a daughter or sister dwindles into insignificance; she must be killed. Thus, after an Egyptian father strangled his unmarried but pregnant daughter, cut her corpse into eight parts, and threw those down the toilet, he explained his reasons: Shame kept following me [before the murder] wherever I went. The village's people had no mercy on me. They were making jokes and mocking me. I couldn't bear it and decided to put an end to this. The positive form of honor (sharaf in Arabic) involves efforts to enhance the family's status by taking steps to win it praise and renown; and nothing can win a family as much glory as its willing sacrifice of a family member for a noble cause. Thanks to PA propaganda, suicide bombing has become a highly honored act. Thus, the Tel Aviv bomber's father crowed about his son, He has become a hero! Tell me, what more could a father ask? Combined, the monstrous social environment created by the PA and the families' preoccupation with social status goes far to explain why Palestinians glory in the destruction of their youth. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread
[CTRL] To die for.
-Caveat Lector- Nude female soldiers new 'Zionist' weapon * By Arieh O'Sullivan (Jerusalem Post) A Palestinian newspaper is accusing the IDF of mounting strip-teasing female soldiers on tanks to lure Palestinians and then shoot them dead. The occupation is using naked women to hunt down intifada youth, said a front page headline in Al Hayat Al Jadida, a daily connected with the Palestinian Authority. The publication reported on a recent alleged Gaza Strip clash in which a semi-nude female soldier lured Palestinian demonstrators to their deaths. She started to strip her clothes off in front of the demonstrators until she was [nearly] naked. Some of the protesters said they were disgusted by it while others said the Zionist soldier made rude gestures at them, the Palestinian paper reported. When the protestors approached to throw stones at the nearly nude female soldier, she reportedly whipped a pistol out of her underwear and shot dead two Palestinians and wounded nine. The IDF Spokesperson initially refused to even comment on the report, but later said it was completely ridiculous. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You can't always get what you wan't.
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- while we are the topic... any Arab democracies in the region? Guess it depends on how you define democracy. According to my understanding of the term, there are none. OTOH, that is not relevant to the point of this thread. Israel claims to be the only democracy in the Middle East, yet makes a religious / ethnic test necessary for citizenship and treats non Jews as second class citizens - not the hallmark of a democracy. Or perhaps the point is that in the Middle East, all countries are authoritarian, militaristic, theocracies and we should not have a special relationship with any of them. flw See if you can convince the Big Oil boys. I think you have a great idea. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The truth about the environment
-Caveat Lector- Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- The truth about the environment -- by Bjorn Lomborg Environmentalists tend to believe that, ecologically speaking, things are getting worse and worse. Bjorn Lomborg, once deep green himself, argues that they are wrong in almost every particular. (08/02/01) http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=718860 Isn't it interesting that all those who claim there isn't a problem seem to have a stake in the very economic system that is the source of environmental destruction? I wonder why that is? Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Police And Routine,Organized Cruelty
-Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: -Caveat Lector- please - the united states did it with the indians, and it didnt take 75 years Not exactly. The United States did not relegate Indians or their culture to oblivion. The fact that we, as a culture, still wrestle with the ramifications of the atrocities perpetrated upon them indicates that Indians and Indian culture still a force with which we must recon. American Indians remain culturally distinct/unique. The same may not be true of the Palestinians inasmuch as the Palestinians seem to have adopted the culture and ways of the Arab community at large. In this regard, Palestinians themselves have done more to eradicate their cultural uniqueness than anything the Israelis could ever have done. Edward + That's an interesting point Edward. And it would be a quite common occurrence if it did play out that way. But you are assuming that Palestinians are some kind of distinct indigenous group like American Indians. They are not. They are Arabs linguistically and ethnically who migrated to the region from all over the Arab empire. They were even called Palestinian Arabs because of where they lived. The European Jews who migrated there before WWII were called Palestinian Jews. They are called this because of where they lived. That area was called Palestine at the time, so the residents there were Palestinians. No Middle Eastern Group alive today are indigenous to the region. The current Palestinians became Palestinians after the Six Day War. This was to identify themselves with the territory. Otherwise they had no distinction from other Arabs. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You can't always get what you wan't.
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- this isn't true. I'm not going to pretend everything is rosy, and the Palestinians are treated equally, but there are plenty of non-Jewish citizens. What there is is a guarantee of citizenship for Jews, but that's not the same thing now, is it? What would you call an America that only guaranteed citizenship to white, christian, anglo saxons? A Klu Klux Klanation? No, I'd call it America. Check your early history there cowboy. And you left out rich. Any country that categorizes citizenship based on a religious or ethnic test is NOT a democracy. Such a place is a Theocratic Racialist country. You- don't- know- what- you- are- talking- about. Frankly, I don't care if a country wants to practice religious bigotry and racialism...as long as I am not a citizen of such a place. Good! Then stay the hell out. No one invited you anyway right? I also believe in truth in labeling. If Israel wants to be such a place for exclusion minded Jews that is fine with mejust don't claim to be a beacon of democracy. I also don't care if Iranians, Talibanists, Sudanese want to run a theocratic despotic society. Then what are you complaining about. Improve things in THIS country. Help the whole world at once by defunding it's economic empire. This is my last post on this thread. Religious racialists cannot be reasoned with. flw Yeah right. I'll bet it's not. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Greening: Real story behind Klamath Falls (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- William Bacon wrote: -Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 02:17:39 -0500 From: Gregory Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Greening: Real story behind Klamath Falls This article, called The Greening, appeared on the ACT list about eight years ago. I have reprinted it on The Lawful Path, at http://lawfulpath.n3.net/ref/greening.shtml The last I knew the author, Larry Abraham (author of Call it Conspiracy) had moved to Chile. I don't know how to contact him, so I hope he doesn't get unhappy about copyrights and such. If he asks me to, I'll pull it. Larry wrote The Greening in 1990. It quotes many sources, including the Report from Iron Mountain (circa +/- 1960), which outlines a plan for using a fake, manufactured environmental crisis for justifying the existence of government in a world without war. He then goes on to show that the international bankers are using this plan to seize ownership and control of huge chunks of the planet through organizations such as the World Conservancy, and the Sierra Club. I would post the article here, but it's rather long. Besides, if you visit TLP, you'll get the nicely formatted HTML version ;-). -- This is a silly paranoid premise, and Report From Iron Mountain was written as a satire. A joke. No wonder he left for Chile. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Attention Prudy and FLW - Read this and get a clue. J2
-Caveat Lector- http://www.milnet.com/milnet/afi/Israel-Palestine-Political-Dissent.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You can't always get what you wan't.
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- A theocratic state is incompatible with a democratic state. This is true, and proof positive that it is not a theocratic state as are a good number of the Arab states the US sends money to also. Israel is and was designed to be a democracy for Jews. J2 Do you realize how illogical the above is? If Israel is designed to be a democracy for Jews then it by design it has a religious / ethnic test for citizenship...which is the antithesis of a so called democracy. If you only knew SOMETHING about the subject, this would be fun. But you argue out of complete ignorance. Israel has non Jewish citizens. Many. Of different varieties. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THESE WORDS??? Israel's political system is secular. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THESE WORDS??? It is a democracy because Jewish ( majority ) and non Jewish ( minority ) citizens elect political parties to govern. DO YOU UNDERSTAND??? Apparently Zionism doesn't just equal racism...it also equals self delusion. flw What happened to you, You never used to be this stupid. Racism has ruined you brain. Too bad. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel j2
-Caveat Lector- Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/08/2001 10:57:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Main Entry:Ar·ab Pronunciation:'ar-b, 'er-; dial also 'A-rab Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, from Latin Arabus, Arabs, from Greek Arab-, Araps Date:14th century 1 a : a member of the Semitic people of the Arabian peninsula b : a member of an Arabic-speaking people Oh goody, now tell me which country you want to discuss. Prudy ANY ONE WHICH PRACTICES DEMOCRACY AND/OR MULTICULTURALIUSM. Jeez! Isn't this what we've been talking about all this time? What's with you? Are getting senile like Colleen? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: JTF.ORG: How Communists Became Zionists
-Caveat Lector- Aleisha Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- One thing I do not forget, Prince Faisal (Turki, now heading up Arab Intelligence in USA) told us, there were 4 of us at the table, that the domestic jews and moslems and christians could live in peace but the Zionists would not let themhis father had aa that time said He Hated Zionists - and Rockefeller cancelled his New York Dinner and in Columbus, Ohio the Mayor there chickened out but we had our dinner and a wonderful day. He was a handsome young gentleman and would have been the King had not a black from Berkley later murdered his father.. The fact remains there is something rotten in Israel and they sent in a butcher like Jack the Ripper and a slaughterman, to finish up the job What is that in the bible - Barber get your razor and slaughterman get your weapon..keep thinking of the Zionists Psalm and rase it, rase it, and rase it and happy they will be when they dash the heads of little babies against the stones. Now if that is religion - and someone does follow this bible code taking names from the bible and timing their murders to same - well it is about time the Americans realized that had it not been for the Arabs we would be living in darkness and riding in horse and buggies. Somehow the things you say do not ring truestrange most jews I know keep very careful family records and as myself, can trace their family trees right back to the bible when you are in the royal lines. 55 Million People died in that war - and hey, what about the Irish - you want real heros the Fitzgeralds were legendary but they were also slaughtered and their names blotted out of the book.yet John FITZGERALD Kennedy got a chunk of Runymead..and one of OUR ancestors signed the great Magna Carta and you ought to read that sometime. Religion is to me the biggest line of crap and murder in the world, when in the wrong handsand I think in the hands of the Zionists, it is used for genocide and mass murder 55 million people died...as did my father and many friends in WWII and I am so sick of this crap where kids are being taught of just the 6 million, like the 600? There is not to question why - there is but to do or die - like hell. I have a lot of unanswered questions and I know now why J Edgar Hoover took on the communists rather than the Mafia for all the time, he knew the Mafia, was not Italian Saba No right to return without pedigree - right? Is this why so many names now are taken from the bible? Strange, the name Lazaras is in the New Testament - yet, the Lazaras family are CFR Zionists (Fred at least of Federated Chain). Tell me were any Zionists genocided by Hitler? But then they are just a handful of people while Moslems represent one fifth of the population in the world. Saba I hope that you do understand THEW that this person is psychotic, and how rationally she comes across depends on whether she has taken her meds. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You can't always get what you wan't.
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- the so called settlers are basically fanatics, who are trying to bring about WW3 and have no sense of compromise, or sanity. The religious parties hold way too much power in Israel, considering the size of the community they actually represent. this is one of the big problems of parliamentary democracy, small groups gain large power in coalition governments, and can press an unpopular agenda. Its a flawed democracy indeed, but its not supposed to be a theocratic one. Much like the way the Christian right hijacked politics in America, these ultra religious have hijacked the politics of Israel. no question about it. while we are the topic... any Arab democracies in the region? It depends what you mean by Arab. Apparently there are no known definitions for Arab when you try to link that word with democracy according to Prudy. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You can't always get what you wan't.
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- I agree that the theocratic state is archaic anathema can you name a Arab state , other than pre gulf war Iraq, that doesn't define itself as an Islamic state? that doesn't give stronger rights to Muslims, than Muslims? as I stated last time I asked this unanswered question, I dont know any Israelis, who dont want a multicultural state. Israel IS a multicultural state. There are Jews and non Jews from many cultures. All this within the framework of being a Jewish state. This does not necessarily mean a theocracy because the vast majority of Israelis are secular Jews. I think you miss the basic point. Israel holds itself out as the sole democratic state in the Middle East. That is often the justification provided why the US has a special obligation to Israel...why it sends Israel the bulk of its foreign aid, etc. A theocratic state is incompatible with a democratic state. This is true, and proof positive that it is not a theocratic state as are a good number of the Arab states the US sends money to also. Israel is and was designed to be a democracy for Jews. You may not personally know any Israelis who don't want a multicultural state, but you are clueless if you are not aware that a significant segment of Israeli society is opposed to a multicultural state and insist on a theocratically pure state. You don't know what the fuck your talking about do you? How did you come to this conclusion pray tell? Do you just make up shit like Cooper's stats? If you poll most of the so called settlers on that issue you will quickly learn that they are absolutely opposed to a multicultural state and if they had their way would deport all non Jews from Israel - or at the very least would deny them citizenship (after all, they still need cheap labor). flw This is probably true. But the settlers are not the same as the general Israeli population. They are a VERY distinct minority as well as a source of disapproval for many Israelis. The settlers are a pawn in the game. If the Palestinians keep this shit up, the settlers will win because they will get to stay on their newly stolen lands. If the Palestinians finally get smart, the settlers will be forced out of the homes they risked their lives for by Israel. Not very complicated really. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Isaeli's Poisoned Water? Now A shortage and water asweapon?
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- i love aliehas confusion here shes confounded by the fact that jews are not a monolithic block who all think alike controlled from some central mastermind. i cant erase any of her stuff its the most fascinating look into the twisted mind i have ever seen in such detail It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error. Justice Robert H. Jackson-- NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:30:15 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Isaeli's Poisoned Water? Now A shortage and water as weapon? http://www.ukar.org/jewsnot1.shtml This is a racist anti-semitc web site which uses Jewsnot to make some points. I have informed this group before, that Jewsnot has about the same standing in the Jewish community, as Jews for Jesus has in the Christian community. NONE. German Nazi SS were shocked at the ferocious behavior of the Ukrainians under their command. The Germans were not easily impressed with bestial behavior. The Ukrainians and the Croats made that kind of impression on the Germans. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Vatican Offiial Accuse Jews Of Slander :SayGroupsLikethe ADL Are Eng...
-Caveat Lector- Damian B. Cooper wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 12:12 PM 8/12/01 -0400, Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- OK, Mr. Smarty Pants, the floor is yours. We are all breathlessly awaiting YOUR authoritative exegesis of the New Testament and Libertarian Socialism. Dazzle us with you mediocrity. DBC There are actually more important things to do right now than to dazzle you. But if you want a real education about the NT, go into CTRL's archives. We've covered that ground several times. J2 Just as I thought, Mr. Shallow-Dipweed: you didn't have an answer. There are a lot of things about which you don't have an answer. Naturally, YOU don't know that you don't have an anwer. It's the nature of ignorance. DBC OK. You win. I'm to dumb to take you on. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Why we can't all just get along.
-Caveat Lector- From 12. PA SERMON: PEACE THRU KILLING JEWS What follows are selections of Friday's sermon (August 3, 2001) on official Palestinian Authority TV. The selections are provided by Palestinian Media Watch. Allah shall make the Moslem rule over the Jew, we will blow them up in Hadera, we will blow them up in Tel-Aviv and in Netanya in the righteousness of Allah against this riff-raff, we will fight against them and rule over them until the Jew will hide behind the trees and stones and the tree and stone will say: 'Moslem! Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!' We will enter Jerusalem as conquerors, and Jaffa as conquerors, and Haifa as conquerors and Ashkelon as conquerors, we are certain that the victory is quickly coming, as we bless anyone who rises against a soldier, we bless all those who educate their children to Jihad and to Martyrdom, blessings to he who shot a bullet into the head of a Jew... I heard a youth say, 'Oh, Sheikh, I am now 14 years old. I have 4 more years and then I will go to blow myself up among Allah's enemies, I will blow myself up among the Jews.' I said to him, 'Allah should let you merit Martyrdom and let me merit Martyrdom'... All weapons must be aimed at the Jews, at the enemies of Allah, the cursed nation in the Koran, whom the Koran describes as monkeys and pigs, worshippers of the calf and idol worshippers. -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Druze and Christians in Lebanon
-Caveat Lector- When Druze and Christians get friendly, Syria gets worried By Zvi Barel Ha'aretz 9 August 2001 The arrest of some 200 Christians in Lebanon Tuesday made the editor of a Nahar, Jubrein Tuwani, publish an unprecedentedly harsh editorial against the Lebanese government and its masters in Damascus. Have we gone from a government to military rule? Is this a military junta? If the government claims there was a revolutionary conspiracy, then we are all revolutionaries and all conspirators. Tuwani's anger, and that of the Maronite and Druze communities is the result of a lightning operation by the Lebanese army two days after the historic reconciliation between the Druze and Christian leaderships, whose conflict two decades ago was a key reason for the Lebanese civil war. Over the weekend, Maronite Patriarch Nasrallah Sfeir visited Druze leader Walid Jumblatt at Jumblatt's headquarters in the Chouf mountains. The visit, with its conciliatory speeches, in effect made pubic a renewed alliance between the two groups, which share a common interest - the departure of the Syrians. The only difference between the two are in nuances. Sfeir wants the Syrians out without any preconditions, while Jumblatt is prepared to be a little more flexible. Such a meeting between two leaders of separate groups in the country is always going to raise suspicions in Damascus, which fears the revival of a large Christian-Druze bloc that won't make do with Syrian army redeployments but will demand a full Syrian departure from Lebanon. We won't allow any harm to public order or good relations with any sister country, said Adnan Adoum, the Lebanese general prosecutor, explaining the arrests of the Christians. But his own words were enough to understand where the orders for the arrests came from. Many of those arrested (and most, as expected, have now been released) are loyalists of General Michel Aoun, the leader of the Free Patriotic Movement, which has been fighting the Syrian presence in Lebanon since the end of the civil war, and of Samir Geagea, head of the Lebanese Forces, in jail serving four life sentences for political assassinations during the civil war. According to Lebanese sources, the order for the arrests came from the Syrian intelligence chief in Lebanon, Razi Cana'an, who wanted to impress upon the Lebanese Syria's red lines concerning Lebanese opposition to the Syrian occupation. Those sources say that Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri was also opposed to the arrests and told Syrian officials that the arrests could serve to consolidate an anti-Syrian protest movement, turning the Druze-Christian reconciliation into a political union. And it's not only the Syrians who fear such an alliance. Lebanese Muslims might regard such an alliance as a threat, and that could yet turn into a confrontation between the Muslims on one side and the Christian-Druze alliance on the other. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Vatican speaks out against Holocaust panel's'slanderouscampaign'
-Caveat Lector- Damian B. Cooper wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 11:13 PM 8/7/01 -0400, Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pius was a Nazi and an admirer of Hitler. He helped finance the party early on. Four fifths of the New York Times editorialists and ninety-seven percent of the Hollywood establishment were admirers of Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin. So, what's your point? DBC My point is that 93.4857% of you statistics are bullshit, and that The Times and Hollywood are not moral representatives of the religion of love. Is that a good enough point for you? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Vatican charges of `slander campaign'
-Caveat Lector- Jews angered by Vatican charges of `slander campaign' By Shlomo Shamir Ha'aretz 8 August 2001 Jewish leaders and a Vatican official yesterday traded accusations, with the Vatican official - Rev. Peter Gumpel - accusing the Jewish members of a Jewish-Catholic historical commission investigating Pius XII's activities during the Holocaust of clearly incorrect behavior. Gumpel charged that they have helped mount a slanderous campaign against the Catholic church. Seymour Reich, who heads the International Jewish Committee for Inter-religious Relations, which worked with the Vatican to appoint the commission, reacted angrily to Gumpel's letter. These are very serious accusations, said Reich. We are astonished and frustrated by the fact that Father Gumpel chose to attack the historians and particularly to single out the Jewish scholars on the team. Gumpel, in charge of providing answers to a bi-religious commission of historians investigating Vatican actions during the Holocaust, is working on plans to beatify Pius XII. The commission members, Jewish and Catholic alike, suspended their work three weeks ago because the Vatican has not released all of its World War II-era archives. Gumpel defended Pius' action in the letter, saying material made available to the historians showed that Pius made every possible effort to save as many lives as possible, without any distinction. We hope and assume that Father Gumpel does not express the official views of the Vatican, said Reich. The historians, who were appointed by the Vatican and Reich's group in 1999 to examine Pius' actions, released a preliminary report in October. They described a pope bent on fruitless diplomacy as reports of atrocities poured into the Vatican. The historians said at the time that questions still needed to be answered before they could issue a final report. They expressed hope that the Vatican would open up the archives of the Holy See's correspondences to fill in the gaps in the 12 volumes of wartime documents provided by the Vatican. Gumpel said, however, he had met with the group and answered some of their questions and offered to answer the rest at another session, but that this was ignored. It was therefore disconcerting, he said, that in the following months some Jewish members in the group had systematically affirmed that they never received answers to their questions. Reich accused Gumpel yesterday of prevarication, saying that he had met with the commission only once, gave it limited time, and refused a second meeting. Gumpel said it was false that the Vatican does not intend to open up its archives, saying this will be done as soon as they are ready. --- J2 The Vatican pulled this one before. They refused to release the Dead Sea Scrolls for study by all schollars. They kept those locked up for half a century. --- Gumpel said several, though not all, of the Jewish members of the commission had publicly spread the suspicion that the Holy See was trying to hide documents that in their judgment could be compromising. He did not give their names. Gumpel said the panel's work had failed as a result of irresponsible actions by some of its members. A New York Jewish leader was working behind the scenes last night to get the historical commission back to work, using contacts with Archbishop Walter Casper, Gumpel's superior, to settle the affair. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Capitalism at work: America the Beautiful and it's 8 trillion economy.
-Caveat Lector- --- America's Torrent of Need -- Nearly 30% of the nation's families with children simply can't make ends meet. So why are the government's poverty numbers so rosy? By BARBARA EHRENREICH Barbara Ehrenreich is the author, most recently, of Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By In America. August 5 2001 WASHINGTON -- The view from the White House, not to mention much of Capitol Hill, is idyllic. True, there are a few blotches on the landscape--a queasy stock market and what conservatives see as a long-running deterioration of America's core moral values. But other than that, what's to complain? Americans are gratefully cashing in their tax rebates to redo the kitchen counters or pay off some credit card bills. Welfare reform has been declared a universal success, with over 60% of former recipients making their own way in the job market. Unemployment is yesterday's problem, and the official poverty rate has reached a comfortingly low 12%. But look more closely and the scenery appears a whole lot less pleasant. On July 24, the Washington D.C.-based Economic Policy Institute (EPI) released a report showing that 29% of American families with young children--precisely the sort of families that policymakers say they are most concerned about--do not earn enough to live at any acceptable level of comfort and security. The EPI researchers got to this appallingly high number by calculating the basic--make that very basic--budget a family needs to live on. They figured in essentials like housing, food, clothing, health insurance, transportation, childcare and utilities, but no meals out, vacations, movies, cigarettes, beer or other routine middle-class indulgences. And even then, they found that nearly a third of American families can't make ends meet. Things the more affluent take for granted--like Internet access, video rentals and saving for retirement--are almost impossible luxuries. But they get by, don't they? Not exactly. EPI researchers looked carefully at data on families who earn less than the basic budget, which amounts to $33,511 for a family of four. More than 70% of these families worry about food, sometimes miss rent payments or have to rely on an emergency room for their medical care. Nearly 30% report facing far more dire hardships: having to miss meals, foregoing needed medical care, being evicted from their housing. In a purely selfish way, I'm relieved by all this statistical bad news: At least it wasn't just me. While researching my recent book, Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America, I spent a total of three months, in three different cities, attempting to support myself on the wages I could earn as an entry-level worker--as a waitress, a hotel housekeeper, a maid with a housecleaning service, a nursing home aide and a Wal-Mart floor clerk. I found that I could not make ends meet, not with one job anyway. I averaged $7 an hour, an amount which fell tragically short of my bare-bone expenses--gas, food and, above all, rent. My coworkers had various strategies for coping. Many of them, of course, shared expenses with another breadwinner--a husband, boyfriend or grown child. A surprisingly high number worked more than one job--typically an 8-hour shift followed by a 6-hour one--an arrangement that is utterly destructive to family life as well as health and stamina. Most passed on company health insurance, simply because they couldn't afford to pay the employee contribution, which was often well over $100 a month. Possibly some of them received help from the government in the form of food stamps or the earned income tax credit, although I never once heard these programs mentioned. Some of my co-workers were clearly not coping. I worked alongside people who turned out to be homeless, although in the peculiar hierarchy of poverty, they didn't consider themselves homeless as long as they had a van or a car to sleep in. Others were not getting enough to eat, and not, as I first imagined, because they were dieting. Lunch, in low-wage America, can mean a small-size bag of Doritos or a few hot dog rolls. What my experience shows anecdotally, and the EPI's Hardships in America report shows far more systematically, is that we've been fooling ourselves with the official poverty level, now pegged at $17,463 for a family of four. That number is still calculated by the archaic method of taking the bare-bones cost of food for a family of a given size and multiplying this number by three. Yet food is relatively inflation-proof, at least compared to medical care and housing costs. Rents especially have gone through the roof: I found a half-size trailer renting in Florida for $625 a month, a room in a genuinely creepy Minneapolis residential motel for $250 a week. There's another reason for our leaders' inability to see the true extent of economic misery in America. They're used to thinking of poverty as a consequence of unemployment. Hence, for example,
[CTRL] [Fwd: Mex. Farmers March Against Free Trade]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Mex. Farmers March Against Free Trade Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:11:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Eisenscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; August 8, 2001 Mexican Farmers Demand Subsidies By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 4:38 p.m. ET MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Thousands of farmers marched through the Mexican capital Wednesday demanding subsidies and a halt to free trade -- posing the most direct challenge yet to President Vicente Fox's 8-month-old administration. The march, on Mexican revolutionary Emiliano Zapata's birthday, was a show of force for the ``old Mexico,'' opposed to the new, entrepreneurial nation that the businessman Fox has promised. The protesters' rhetoric harkened back to Zapata's 1910-1917 Revolution, which created the communal farms that served as the political backbone of the former ruling party, whose 71-year reign Fox ended in last year's elections. Young and old marched in a sea of straw hats and baseball caps, cowboy boots and dusty tennis shoes. Families with small children armed with toy noisemakers joined men and women waving banners reading ``United States out'' and ``Fox means misery.'' ``Fox sees the values of the revolution as history, the past,'' said Constantino Canstaneda, a 36-year-old tomato farmer who took a 10-hour bus ride from central Zacatecas state to participate in the protest. ``But I see the revolution in the land I work every day and in the faces of my children who will grow up to be farmers and have even less than I have now.'' Streams of farmers chanted ``Zapata Lives! The struggle continues!'' as they fanned out across the world's second-largest city to blockade government offices and shut down a half-dozen major boulevards. ``Rural Mexico could explode,'' said protest organizer Alvaro Lopez Rios, leader of the Agrarian Congress farm group. ``This could take us to the edge of anarchy.'' While march organizers said more than 5,000 farmers participated, Wednesday's turnout was lower than the tens of thousands promised by labor unions. A number of separate marches cut slow, disorganized paces through the city and, as the day wore on, some protesters used their banners to shield themselves from the unrelenting afternoon sun. The farmers are suffering from a prolonged drought that has withered crops in northern Mexico and low prices for coffee, basic grains, sugar and tropical cash crops like bananas. They complained that Fox has abandoned any pretense at making Mexico self-sufficient in food production, something to which the former ruling party at least paid lip service -- largely to ensure farmers' political support. ``With the trade opening and in the framework of globalization, the government took the easy way out, saying, 'It's easier to buy cheap imports than to support expensive domestic production,''' Lopez Rios said. Fox drew the battle lines sharply Tuesday, when he encouraged farmers to modernize, adopt new crops and rely less on government. He said he wanted to end ``corruption, paternalism, political favoritism and bureaucracy'' in farm policy. But he showed no sign of stepping away from the two things that angered protesters most: his commitment to free-trade agreements that have let in cheap foreign grain and his close relationship with the United States. ``The United States and Canada protect their farmers with tariffs and subsidies,'' Martin Altorre, a 51-year-old banana and sugarcane farmer from southern Morelos state, said at a protest at Mexico City's Revolution monument. ``In Mexico, the farmers are getting hit hard, and Fox likes that.'' Fox said Mexico doesn't have the money to compete in a subsidy race with developed countries, and that farmers should leave behind corn and change to crops where they have an advantage -- like the winter-vegetable exports that made Fox's family wealthy. Fox's administration says past policies encouraged farmers to waste scarce irrigation water on marginal land and to cut down the nation's forests. He has offered to clear up Mexico's historic land-title problems so farmers can qualify for loans to modernize. But such measures may also tend to break up communal farms, whose owners were only recently allowed individual titles to their lots. Such policies may prove difficult to implement in a country where corn is king and small farms are viewed as the prized legacy of the revolution, where ``socialist agricultural schools'' dot the countryside and the 19th-century agrarian movement still holds fast. ``This is not old Mexico against modern Mexico. This is Mexico's brain telling Mexico's heart it's no longer needed,'' said Juan Sanchez, a 38-year-old wheat farmer from northern Durango state. ``Farming got this country where it is, and it will take Mexico into the future.'' Copyright 2001 The Associated Press ___ FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the
Re: [CTRL] Vatican speaks out against Holocaust
. But then no one counts except the Jews who were killed, at least not for much to some. And that may be YOUR 'real' question but it does not address what is being done right NOW concerning this DEMAND for records and the CURRENT smear campaign. Are you stating that this is justified as some sort of vengeance? Then why was this undertaken with the EVIL Vatican in the first place? I have read everything that you have stated many times before but not even YOUR stating it makes me 'know' it. Amelia, I can prove everything I stated. But I don't want to deal with this right now because there are more important things happening. I do think there is some truth in what you say happened but as for your wild accusations that Hitler was a Catholic, etc. that is your opinion only and really not possible. He may have been reared a Catholic but that does not mean me was one until his death for there are conditions involved which you choose to ignore. He often bragged about his Catholic upbringing and how much it influenced his greatness. I believe mass killings would be sufficient to get one excommunicated. But he WASN'T excommunicated was he? Ever. How come? That means one is no longer a Catholic, doesn't it? I also do not think Hitler was under the control of the Pope at the time, either. Hitler was never under the control of the Pope. No one said he was. Are you suggesting that he was? Or that the Pope had powers grater than all the Allied forces? The Pope contributed Vatican moneys to Hitler and the Nazi Party. These are the records the Vatican doesn't want anyone to see. Among others. That he could have some how stopped it all but refused because he was 'in on it' and approved? As for your 'revenge' philosophy, remember not all religions are centered around that principle. It is well known that the Vatican was involved in various people escaping Germany after WWII. What is to hide? It is NOT well known. I don't know any Catholics who are aware of it. Is this information the REAL reason for the Jewish participation in this project? To find out any details on what may have been done to any Jews and Jews only? I don't know. But even if that's true, so what? Your comments demonstrate perfectly the one-sided perception of the problem. It was to have been a JOINT effort directed at the crimes committed against BOTH Catholics and Jews and others. Nothing was being 'hidden' and I think, unlike you, that the deaths of Catholics and many others were just as much a crime as the deaths of Jews. Of course it is. No one says differently. Jews are interested in the Jewish part of this history. Gypsies are interested in the Gypsy part of this history. Serbs are interested in the Serbian parts of this history. This doesn't mean that the rest don't count. The Vatican does not have to share anything and I certainly hope that they will not until all life lost in the Holocaust is shown equal respect. It doesn't matter what excuse you make for them not releasing the letters. They'll never do it. They can't. It is the current Pope and not Pius under attack. One Pope is as good as another to blame, eh? ~Amelia~ HEY BABY. THIS POPE WANTS TO MAKE A SAINT OUT OF PIUS XII THE NAZI POPE. Do you think that anyone who suffered at the hands of the Nazis is going to let the Vatican get away with beatifying Pius12? What a stupid thing to do. His actions are still in the living memory of millions of people. There are documentary records all over the place. There are living witnesses who worked in the Vatican at the time and have gone public. This wouldn't be so important if the Vatican was just trying to cover up their crimes. BUT THEY WANT TO MAKE A SAINT OUT OF HIM. This is one of the dumbest moves they ever made. They should have waited for a few more hundred years like they did for Joan of Arc. J2 - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:13 PM A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http
