Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-17 Thread Kris Millegan

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In a message dated 4/16/01 7:09:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Kris Millegan wrote:
Like I've said, I dunna know.
But since a virus was delivered not in an attachment, stoping attachments
would not help.

Kris, my Norton Virus Checker stated that the virus was most definitely
in the attachment to the email Saba sent.


June
 Like I have said I am not a big computer guy and My experience is MACs and
there is much bout IBMs and MS windows that I am very ignorant of. When the
email named ? showed up in my box there was no attachment but in the body
of the message there was a big patch of letters and numbers and whatnot.
That is what I experienced in my OperatingSystem, I am sure others could be
different. The Mac OS is different and not prone to viruses.

  I am loathe to stop attachments especially with the truncating on regular
posts now.  still will be some months but soon our own server hopefully will
help out.

Saba, will you agree to not send anymore attachments?

Om
K


Om
K

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-17 Thread Aleisha Saba

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First of all I want to be sure exactly what attachment is - if you mean
athe little square box containing what usually is a picture, of
course..I did some reading on virus attachments last night - and
this one they called the 95 Hybrid, etc., they said was also this Snow
White thing which I have received, but when I would try to bring up the
picture, it would turn off my web completely.

Now I forwarded the E Mail in its entirety;  I received  an EMail from
this Norton thing that it had been quarantined - so normally I receive
very few of these things unless sent by a friend - most of them are not
compatible with web.

Now Kris I do like to forward information, just plain text information -
without the picture show.

As usual I would comply with any and all your requests.

So by attachments to be precise, you mean the little square pictures at
the bottom of the E Mail.   I always thought when I forwarded something,
like item from web or New York Times, etc., that was an attachment.

So of course Kris will not send these little attachments and I have a
three way check going on as to why and how something like this could be
sent -

Wonder who Vic is?   He is the only one not to complaion?   Just BB and
June???
And Shannon sent me a nicei letter also - none were life threatening.

Thanks Kris.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-17 Thread Jenny Decker

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Dear List,
Yesterday morning when I turned on my work computer in the office, my
daily update from McAfee Clinic included an announcement that I had a
virus-infected file named "cleanup.exe" in my Eudora temporary files. McAfee
was unable to clean it and suggested manual eradication.
I did this by deleting the file. I checked my almost identical Dell
computer at home and it does not have a file named cleanup.exe anywhere, so
I guess the corrupted file doesn't need replacement. Usually there is other
garbage that goes on when your pc gets a virus, as with other files added.
However, when I tried to find out about these by going to Symantec.com and
looking through their virus encyclopedia, I struck a blank. Cleanup.exe was
not recognized by Symantec at all as any virus it had ever seen, and I've
never failed with them before.
So I guess my work computer is okay, but I really don't know and I'm
nervous. After deleting the file a virus scan now pronounces the harddrive
to be clean, but would it know if remnant associated files were left behind?
BTW, my vigilant McAfee shield did not pick this up, and I did not open
any executable attachments. I also do not read my mail in Eudora--I use
Outlook Express, and keep my colleague's university mail in Eudora so we
don't get the two confused. The only email she gets is academic stuff from
scholarly lists and there have been no executable attachments. I still can't
figure out how we acquired this one, but if anyone has received mail from me
with suspicious looking attachments PLEASE let me and the list know, as I am
worried about what mischief the virus might have done before I caught it.
Jenny Decker
- Original Message -
From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism)
IsBeyondThePale


 -Caveat Lector-

 First of all I want to be sure exactly what attachment is - if you mean
 athe little square box containing what usually is a picture, of
 course..I did some reading on virus attachments last night - and
 this one they called the 95 Hybrid, etc., they said was also this Snow
 White thing which I have received, but when I would try to bring up the
 picture, it would turn off my web completely.

 Now I forwarded the E Mail in its entirety;  I received  an EMail from
 this Norton thing that it had been quarantined - so normally I receive
 very few of these things unless sent by a friend - most of them are not
 compatible with web.

 Now Kris I do like to forward information, just plain text information -
 without the picture show.

 As usual I would comply with any and all your requests.

 So by attachments to be precise, you mean the little square pictures at
 the bottom of the E Mail.   I always thought when I forwarded something,
 like item from web or New York Times, etc., that was an attachment.

 So of course Kris will not send these little attachments and I have a
 three way check going on as to why and how something like this could be
 sent -

 Wonder who Vic is?   He is the only one not to complaion?   Just BB and
 June???
 And Shannon sent me a nicei letter also - none were life threatening.

 Thanks Kris.

 Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-17 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 4/17/01 1:50:11 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:


Like I have said I am not a big computer guy and My experience is MACs and
there is much bout IBMs and MS windows that I am very ignorant of. When the
email named ? showed up in my box there was no attachment but in the
body
of the message there was a big patch of letters and numbers and whatnot.

And Kris, that's how it came to me too...I think that's an AOL HTML artifact.

Bill.


Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-17 Thread tenebroust

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I do not think eliminating attachments is a good idea since it is the only way that 
some information can be posted to the list.  Caveat downloadee, as it were.  Let us 
all be very careful what we download on this list as well as EVERYWHERE on the old WWW.




On Mon, 16 April 2001, Kris Millegan wrote:


 -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 4/16/01 7:09:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 -Caveat Lector-
 
 On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Kris Millegan wrote:
 Like I've said, I dunna know.
 But since a virus was delivered not in an attachment, stoping attachments
 would not help.
 
 Kris, my Norton Virus Checker stated that the virus was most definitely
 in the attachment to the email Saba sent.
 
 
 June
  Like I have said I am not a big computer guy and My experience is MACs and
 there is much bout IBMs and MS windows that I am very ignorant of. When the
 email named ? showed up in my box there was no attachment but in the body
 of the message there was a big patch of letters and numbers and whatnot.
 That is what I experienced in my OperatingSystem, I am sure others could be
 different. The Mac OS is different and not prone to viruses.

   I am loathe to stop attachments especially with the truncating on regular
 posts now.  still will be some months but soon our own server hopefully will
 help out.

 Saba, will you agree to not send anymore attachments?

 Om
 K


 Om
 K

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-16 Thread BB

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She cannot and does not put 2 COHESIVE WORDS together.

Mary Callnon wrote:

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 At 11:30 PM 4/15/01 -0700, you wrote:
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 Those who do not understand what Aleisha is saying have little or no
 understanding of what is actually going on in the world.
 
 Cliff Hume.

 You know, weird as it sounds I agree with you. From what I have been able
 to decipher of her comments, she actually seems to make all the right
 connections and is able to correlate a lot of different types of info into
 a cohesive pattern. But it does requires an almost godlike ability in the
 deciphering department - so much so that I wonder if english is perhaps a
 second language.
 Mary

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-16 Thread BB

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Aleisha Saba wrote:


 BB you are a liar; the "virus
 had been deactivated.

 Saba

*
Perhaps you did not read clearly the first time, so allow me to repeat:

"I haven't had a system virus since 1982, but now, thanks to
the thoughtless, persistent efforts of the enlightened one, I spent hours
trying to get all the funcions of my system working again.
Norton found a virus on several files."

Just where do you get the obnoxious gall to call me a liar?
  It happened.

You could do us all, yourself included, a great service by refraining
from sending your venomous, disjointed  posts in the future, and by
reading others, and hopefully learning something.

I'll say it again - you appear to be a disruptor whose main goal is
to create havoc and discord among the members of the group - just
like you did before using your previous ID.

BB

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-16 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Thank you Cliff - and Mary, this one publisher at Henry Regnery in 1969,
a Dominick Abel, told me I had stumbled onto something significant - he
also said no doubt I would be sued for at the time, who would believe
that the Mafia was in bed with the CIA, and that Jean Dixon was a psuedo
religious political propagandist engaged in psychological warfare.

So a Mary Ferrell in Holland Texas - Bud Fensterwald of the Committee to
Investigte Assassinations had me send stuff to Mary, who wanted to edit
same - the last thing I heard about Mary, her son had been murdered -
she used material from my book.

So if anyone out there has let us say a professional author, who steals
and uses your work without permission - do not feel bad...like my
old friend Sybil Leek, who was MI6 - she took a lot of my research for
her one book without my permission, made a lot of money, then got sued
for 5 million dollars by a man named Peter Noyes.guess who got her
off the hook then for she could not wait for me to send her copy of my
copyright which saved her hidebut cost her $12,000 and maybe later
her life.for this woman, who had many best sellers, said this bible
calendar had brought trouble into her own house.

I worked on on the outside; even J. Edgar Hoover told Frank Fitzsimmons
of the old Teamsters Union, that I was getting stuff on my own for I had
them up in arms - and Jimmy Hoffa invited me to Washington DC to meet
with him for I knew he was next on list.

Much to my surprise I then discovered the man who was in same cell with
Hoffa for over a year, sat in a quiet room with his friends, listening
to every word I was saying.

So this one Agent said it would take a College Professor to understand
what I was saying - one who knew about secret societies, astrology and
codes, and had masonic training no doubt, etc., and with knowledge of
the KKK - and I might add the KKK you will never see in the open, not
the real knights.

It would take someone who knows all about religion - and as a reseaher
my old friend, the MI6, told me I was the best reseacher she had ever
seen and met.

She did however use my work without permission and was working on the
bible calendar code before she died.

She was the writer, but she too had an editor as do all professional
writers - I had the theory, which I called a conspiracy theory and had
it copyrighted as such for my own protection for I had received many
threats - after the Ohio State Lantern did a story on it - you see I was
getting to people who understoodo me

The biggest concern I was told indirectly that once I started attaching
names - say ike a Walter Lippman to this stuff, it could be very
dangerous.

People try to scare you off.   I never professed to be a writer; when I
went to IBM school to get basics on how to operate a computer, I broke
the damn record at that school and got my 120 wpm certificate - and the
record still holds..and that was on a typewritier.

I think faster than I can type;  my way often with writing may not seem
clear only because I presume many understand things I say, as Cliff Hume
does and as you seem to understand.

Have fun seeing at times who delivers the attacks in an attempt to
squelch me and I say, I have been attacked and threatened by
pros..including local Jewish Mafia who ran drugs and the one either
got Hoffa away or dumped him in Lake Erie.  I have information and so
did the FBI that tracks led to the farm of Donald Plotnick, a doctor,
who had one Hit Man living on his farm, who "blew away" anybody at drop
of hatand went to prison for same and was pardoned - get this - by a
CFR Govenor after murdered a black doctor while dressed like County
Sheriff with those guys?

To get at truth you sometimes step on big toes and little toes..the
little toes scream the loudest - censor her, censor, censor
censor..by their fruits you shall know them.

Thank you Cliff once again, and Mary I never said I was professional
writer - even Mary Farrell told me hey, you have a lousey style, but you
sure as hell know how to get at the facts..her son was murdered, my
old friend Gordon Novel told me in 1984..body found in river in
burlap sack - and so you see  if somebody has stolen my work and I did
not g et a big name in a book, I do not care.

My research became a quest - I come from a long line of Knights who were
not known for being Quakers - Knightsone even in the Knights of the
Golden Circle and rode with Jesse James (Stiles was the name)..

So as they say,  if they do not like me Irish face they can kiss my
Irish Ass...
as for BB and June - by their fruits, ye shall know them all.

Saba

By the way - my FBI file is in the National Archives and part of it was
reprinted and sent to me on list.100 years from now somebody will go
into the Kennedy Treasures as they did the Lincoln Treasures, and guess
what - they will find me, along with the Judas, the Brutus, and the
spiesI was none 

Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-16 Thread Kris Millegan

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Like I've said, I dunna know.
But since a virus was delivered not in an attachment, stoping attachments
would not help. Knowing that "Saba" has been kicked -off this list before
andkeeps coming back. And rather than throw the list into looking at all
newbies as "Saba" in disguise, I'd rather deal with the "devil" I know and
would suggest to folks to be wary and not open her mail without good virus
dectection and/or defense software. Or get a Mac.
In a message dated 4/16/01 1:34:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Perhaps you did not read clearly the first time, so allow me to repeat:

"I haven't had a system virus since 1982, but now, thanks to
the thoughtless, persistent efforts of the enlightened one, I spent hours
trying to get all the funcions of my system working again.
Norton found a virus on several files."

Just where do you get the obnoxious gall to call me a liar?
  It happened.

You could do us all, yourself included, a great service by refraining
from sending your venomous, disjointed  posts in the future, and by
reading others, and hopefully learning something.

I'll say it again - you appear to be a disruptor whose main goal is
to create havoc and discord among the members of the group - just
like you did before using your previous ID.

BB

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-16 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Kris I was NEVER kicked off your list.

You check the archives and you will see this is true.

In fact in the past when I had people write to ask I return to your
list.

This virus which was sent to me which was deactivated was sent to me by
someone on your list.

The time element was a good clue and I figured that one out..

Time Zone - Zulu time matched only one other time zone.

Strange some say they have received all these viruses - this one was
only one I received other than this Snow White thing which comes on
other list.

I have reported this individual who sent it to me to two different
people who are checking out.

Think you will find some of these others are using different names on
your list, not I.   I use one name and one name only, and again, was
NEVER removed from your list.   Check the archives beginning with 1998
in December.this is when I got the web.

So who told you I was kicked off the list for I believe if someone told
you that, it was the time zone I looked for and found - Zulu time gives
location.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-16 Thread Mary Callnon

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At 02:22 AM 4/16/01 -0700, you wrote:
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She cannot and does not put 2 COHESIVE WORDS together.

Ok. I really can't argue that. But as difficult as Saba is to understand I
do believe she sees and makes right on connections.
Mary
BTW- what WAS the previous alias she used that you refer to in another post?

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-16 Thread Mary Callnon

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At 10:15 AM 4/16/01 -0400, you wrote:
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I think faster than I can type;  my way often with writing may not seem
clear only because I presume many understand things I say, as Cliff Hume
does and as you seem to understand.

I understand the problem with keyboards not keeping up with thought! -and
this post shows you are perfectly capable of being clear in your
communications.  I do wish you might consider that you do yourself and the
info you present a disservice when it is presented in a form that most
people pass of as rantings. As I said, I don't think they ARE rantings as I
usually see the connections you are indicating. But you have damned
yourself in this post because you have proven beyond a doubt you CAN
communicate clearly! So hey- why not take the time and care to do it a bit
more often. It is marvelously refreshing.
Mary

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-16 Thread Mary Callnon

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At 11:23 AM 4/16/01 -0400, you wrote:
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This virus which was sent to me which was deactivated was sent to me by
someone on your list.

You have a misunderstanding here. The Norton antivirus program will
deactivate a virus once it comes into YOUR computer, but that doesn't  mean
that if you then send the virus to someone else that it is deactivated for
THEIR computer. If they are not protected by a current antivirus program
such as Norton, it will infect them if they open your file.
Make sense?
Mary

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-16 Thread Mary Callnon

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At 11:12 AM 4/16/01 EDT, you wrote:
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Like I've said, I dunna know.
But since a virus was delivered not in an attachment,

But it WAS delivered as an attachment-that was how I got it 3 times- as an
attached executable file. No repercussions tho as I deleted it each time.
mary

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Stupidity (or Deliberate Terrorism) IsBeyondThePale

2001-04-16 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Kris Millegan wrote:
Like I've said, I dunna know.
But since a virus was delivered not in an attachment, stoping attachments
would not help.

Kris, my Norton Virus Checker stated that the virus was most definitely
in the attachment to the email Saba sent.


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