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-Caveat Lector- Well June, the ADL came out with this neo nazi crap and went after those two kids at Littleton and then they found out this Klebold kid came from a jewish family - another smaller 'foundation which is nice point for laundering dirty money. End of story .. Then they do not like to talk about these two kids wanting to hijack a jet plane and crashing it into New York City - now somehow this reminds me of the Twin Towers. Now tell me where were these loving parents when these two little hoods who were wearing black trench coats - these two alleged homosexual lovers - when they plotted and planned and bought enough explosives to wipe out a block area and their slaughter however due to their inability to provide more effective pipe bombs, etc., which did not go off, saved the lives of hundreds of people. What they planned was a real blast reminiscent to the Twin Towers? Tell me where were these loving parents? Well Klebolds decided to sue the Sheriff for their lack of control over their little animal. Do not know if the Harris kid's family did - but the minute it came out that Klebold was jewish - hey it sure stopped the ADL from complaining further for we had a good look as to from where some of this stuff was comingoh it was to celebrate Adolph Hitler's Birthday, and to bring Judgment Day or Megiddo on their little classmates. Such lovely parents - one suing the Sheriff blaming him - where the hell did these kids keep these arsenals - one drugged up half the time, the other boozing up so much vodka he took it as a nickname. Both these homes had fatherstell me where were they, the displinarian figure? but somehow that wanting to hijack a jet plan and crash it into New York City rang a familiar bell So one of the first guys to get the anthrax in the Senate? Why this man Dascle - was against gun control during this periodbut Clinton went after the guns because two little fascists, wanted to use propane gas tanks to take out an entire block - maybe he should have gone after the propane? Wonder, did they ever take these parents to juvenile Court for neglect after the fact - the kids were 17 and still under their legal control. But then like this 6 year old black kick who shot and killed a little 6 year old white girl we are to forgive and forget? Now where did these kids keep their arsenal? And to hijack and crash a jet plane? These other kids whom they called jocks these are the one's they were after.they were all Christians and targeted kids, no doubt active in Christian organizations But most of all their parents did not sue the Sheriff for neglect in their kids being slaughtered - not it took Klebold's parents to do that..hope they were heavily insured against the terrorist activities of their kids. Saba This is G o o g l e's cache of http://www.apbnews.com/newscenter/breakingnews/2000/02/14/columbine0214_01.html. G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we crawled the web. The page may have changed since that time. Click here for the current page without highlighting. Google is not affiliated with the authors of this page nor responsible for its content. These search terms have been highlighted: klebold propane gas tanks Crime, Justice, Safety: 8 Channels -- 26 ProgramsNEWSCENTERCRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEMSAFETY CENTERCRIMINAL JUSTICE PROFESSIONALSCRIME SOLVERSRESOURCE CENTERVIDEO CENTERMEDIA AND ENTERTAINMENT Breaking NewsMissingInternet CrimeCan You Believe This?Major CasesIn Depth Free E-mail AlertLive Police ScannersForums Search My APB About APB Contact APB Newsletters Downloads APBNEWS.COM NEWSCENTER BREAKING NEWS STORY New Details of Columbine Attack: 95 Bombs Electronic Triggering Failures Prevented School Holocaust Feb. 14, 2000 Columbine gunman caught on video in school cafeteria DENVER (AP) -- Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were armed with 95 explosive devices when they launched their attack on Columbine High School last spring -- a much larger arsenal than originally reported. The explosives, enough to wipe out the school and hundreds of students, included 48 carbon dioxide bombs, 27 pipe bombs and 11 1.5-gallon propane containers. Most of the bombs did not explode. The two Columbine seniors also had seven devices with 40-plus gallons of flammable liquid and two duffel bags containing 20-pound liquefied-petroleum gas tanks. The extent of their arsenal was revealed last week when members of the Littleton Fire Department met with Gov. Bill Owens' Columbine Review Commission, The Denver Post reported today. 'Very, very lucky' Related Stories: Full Coverage: The Massacre at Columbine High School As bad as this was, we were so very, very lucky, said Chuck Burdick, operations chief of the Littleton Fire Department. It could have been so much worse. Following the April 20 massacre, authorities believed Klebold and Harris had made about 60 bombs. I look at Columbine High School as a
Re: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family
-Caveat Lector- I wrestle with this. I also homeschool ours. People worry me about socialization. We do ok with this. Either the responsibility is with my wife and I, or the State. I know I can't protect them forever, but we wanted them to be kids as long as they could. I think socialization makes kids adults before they're ready. They also don't watch the violence porn, mindless sitcoms, on the toilet vision. No Soma for our house! Bill From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well Bill, I have discovered one thing - the kids who have parents who care for them, and live decent lives, are always the victims of those who do not. Littleton is a classic example of kids left alone - drugs, guns, TV videos, and let us say the wrong kind of upbringing. It seems to me that the alleged perps in Littleton both came from caring, loving, decent, intact nuclear families who cared for them -- not a broken home in the lot... And the victims watched the same TV, movies and videogames as those who attacked them... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Well we know now what all the pornography is about - as this lesbian librarian said when displaying pornographic art in main entrance of the library it was to prove to Osama bin Laden we have freedom of speech. So maybe this is why the moves are so lewd and lascivicious and vicious for some people get thrills watching mutilation of others. I bought my little 3 year old grandson he new Fantasia - and all throughout this film were people like Beth Midler, or whatever her name is - interacting with the movie, but the worse was these two unknown jewish comedians, who came on the scene and suddenly the one cut off the hand of the other for a joke.it looked real but this is comedy? I ripped the thing out of the VCR and took it back and got a refund. Even Disney is being destroyed.but most parents get the message. Note people no longer are taking their kids to these Disney World gouging sites as they once did. If you don't protect your children, nobody else will. People are always envious and jealous of the good kids and they are the first targetsColumbine is a good example - the innocents were slaughtered - I always wondered why suddenly Disney was a free channel for I always had to pay for it. Today it is not fit for little kids to watch and has become vicious propaganda tool. This evil lewd and lascivicious element has even taken Mickey Mouse from the kids. But I tape all the old ones now and watch closely any cartoons he watches when here. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- --- c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: um, hanging around with 12 other single men and a prostitute is the perfect way to live? NOWHERE in the NT does it say that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. She is described variously as a sinner out of whom went seven devils. It is more likely that she was a priestess in an Astarte cult, which may or may not have involved sacred prostitution, but she was not the common streetwalker that the Christian Church has made her out to be. At any rate, she was closer to Jesus than any of his disciples, being the first to see him after the resurrection, which inspired envy in the disciples, who were the ones who made up church dogma. As for the 12 other single men this also is not supported by the NT. In Mark 1:31, Jesus heals the mother-in-law of the disciple Simon Peter. Outside of the Essenes, who cloistered themselves at Qumran, it is extremely rare for Jewish men -- or women -- to remain single. The rabbis at the time compared deliberate celibacy to murder. The disciple James, the brother of Jesus, was apparently the ancestor of the Desposyni, Jewish royal exiles in Southern France in the first century CE. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- well, you can look for references in the good book and discuss biblical accuracy til you explode- i was taking the piss more than actually referencing my sources for my take on jesus' lifestyle. it.was.a.joke.tenorlove.is that clear enough? but i think my version stands up- if only because it is an accepted truth in a way... that jesus was knocking around with 12 guys and a hooker- it is how it is seen- and in religious terms then that is enough really. the bible is a crock of shit if it is facts you are wanting from it. so my interpreation of what happened is as real as your version. or anyone's version. kinda. well, call me thomas but i still cannot remember him recommending dogma and beatings as the way to drag one's kids up. but i am sure someone can reference it for me. and tell me this, scholars, where does it say in the bible that TV is evil? eh? eh? - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family -Caveat Lector- --- c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: um, hanging around with 12 other single men and a prostitute is the perfect way to live? NOWHERE in the NT does it say that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. She is described variously as a sinner out of whom went seven devils. It is more likely that she was a priestess in an Astarte cult, which may or may not have involved sacred prostitution, but she was not the common streetwalker that the Christian Church has made her out to be. At any rate, she was closer to Jesus than any of his disciples, being the first to see him after the resurrection, which inspired envy in the disciples, who were the ones who made up church dogma. As for the 12 other single men this also is not supported by the NT. In Mark 1:31, Jesus heals the mother-in-law of the disciple Simon Peter. Outside of the Essenes, who cloistered themselves at Qumran, it is extremely rare for Jewish men -- or women -- to remain single. The rabbis at the time compared deliberate celibacy to murder. The disciple James, the brother of Jesus, was apparently the ancestor of the Desposyni, Jewish royal exiles in Southern France in the first century CE. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Who said the Church follows the Bible??? ;-) Tenorlove = Make yourself at home. Clean my kitchen. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well we know now what all the pornography is about - as this lesbian librarian said when displaying pornographic art in main entrance of the library it was to prove to Osama bin Laden we have freedom of speech. WHOA THERE! I challenge you to show any PROOF that this librarian is a lesbian -- in not one article I read did it ever mention the sexual preference of the woman who runs the library and approved the art show. I also challenge you to explain the difference between nudity in art and what you deem is 'pornography'... This post of yours amply demonstrates how you twist facts to fit your own twisted prejudices... Even Disney is being destroyed.but most parents get the message. Disney was ALWAYS 'destroyed', it's just become more obvious in recent years; AMC just had a documentary on regarding how CIA and Hollywood have always had a cozy relationship, and one of the prime producers they used -- going back to WWII -- was Walt Disney... Note people no longer are taking their kids to these Disney World gouging sites as they once did. Says who? I always wondered why suddenly Disney was a free channel for I always had to pay for it. It's always been free on my cable system, going back almost 20 years now...if you're being charged, that's a decision made by your cable provider, not by the Disney Channel... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- What BS. Severe abuse. a gentle reminder on the rear end is not severe abuse. Like I said, I'm trying to get my children raised without dope, alcohol, pregnant, and so that they can think for themselves. My wife and I aren't doing a bad job. The fruits of the Dr. Spock, but disipline your kids, has been pretty bad. And, I'll go on record, my family and I do need Jesus. He taught the perfect way to live. -Caveat Lector- you don't need jesus or a stick to teach children. it is an obscene thing to say and more obscene yet to say it in the name of love. severe abuse syndrome anyone? i love you whack i love you whack i love you whack. - Original Message - From: Bill Kalivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family -Caveat Lector- Can't be worse than prison, broken homes, dope, abortions, blind obedience to Government. I'll take the light burden of Jesus. Sounds like old Chuck did a good job. If I can get mine educated, not pregnant, not in jail, not addicted to drugs or alcohol, I'll have done my job. -Caveat Lector- alright a steady diet of Jesus and the hickory stick sounds like an ideal joyful childhood to me -- - --- -- - -- -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Well Bill, I have discovered one thing - the kids who have parents who care for them, and live decent lives, are always the victims of those who do not. Littleton is a classic example of kids left alone - drugs, guns, TV videos, and let us say the wrong kind of upbringing. Note those were all little Christian kids murdered.see how quiet America is on what really happened at Littleton - Judgment Day? Kids are like wild animals on TV - look at the picture Hollywood and the TV depicts...such role models. There is an element - always this element - who hate the kids who having loving parents who want them to do the right thing. When I think of good kids I think of those slaughtered at Littletonand oh how quiet it is.while the murderers all had AK's, propane gas tanks wanting to take out entire block and lo and behold wanted to hi jack an airplane and crash it into New York City...see Suicide BombersSuicide Bombers... what kind of parents and upbringing did these two kids have? All one hears is what a wonder family the Klebold (Yassenoff) family was.what wonderful parents - the kids has an arsenal in his bedroom and they were not aware of this? Maybe he wanted to be an Israeli? As for Harris - well it was Klebold who called for the Judgment Day. The Slaughtermen cometh. Maybe some form of punishment on Klebold and Harris would have been to cut off their allowances, but what I believe is this: Their parents let these kids do at they please, but these two kids were victims of neglect. Lots of money to spend, and I know this - kids like this are more jealous of the kids who have loving parents than of any material wealth. Riding around in a BMV alone can't be much fun.. Drugs, alcohol, and neglect led to Littleton with a touch of Armageddon in advance - a holocaust in the schools. Like the 6 year old savage that murdered the little 6 year old white girl in a class; well we were told to Hug this kid.as though he did the world a favor. He had also stabbed another little 6 year old with a pencil - and the mother dumped him in a crack house? Does anyone want their children even in the same room with a child like this? So this kid went without punishment...from one crime to another and he even ditched the gun. So guard your children - there are many ways to punish a child without doing harm but the idea is to teach right and wrong. Hugging a kid for murdering his little classmate, to me the punishment does not fit the crime Better to put the kid in an old fashioned Catholic Orphanage, where kids were taught right from wrong - there is a time for a sermon, and a time for a paddle - so spare me the sermon though would prefer a whack with the paddle, for anything but that. So what did happen at Littleton - a massive coverup. Method teaching is like method acting - and their classes in death, must have been as this one kid said really creepyfor it placed thoughts of suicide and not sugar plums, into their little heads - in some cases, little heads already drenched with hypnotic drugs and alcohol. So Bill K. Most kids need a father such as you and the one portrayed in the story. You have to protect your children these days or the fall into the wrong circlesin our town the Beattles came in with drugsand the War Against our Kids began. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill Kalivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family -Caveat Lector- What BS. Severe abuse. a gentle reminder on the rear end is not severe abuse. but surely violence in the name of love is an oxymoron? Like I said, I'm trying to get my children raised without dope, alcohol, pregnant, and so that they can think for themselves. it is possible without violence or invisible friends, creators, etc. to achieve that. My wife and I aren't doing a bad job. i am not having a go at your efforts- i am sure you do not beat your children in a bad way (oops- these oxymorons are catching...) The fruits of the Dr. Spock, but disipline your kids, has been pretty bad. all rigidly enforced dogmas are negative regardless of their particular belief And, I'll go on record, my family and I do need Jesus. He taught the perfect way to live. um, hanging around with 12 other single men and a prostitute is the perfect way to live? jeez- you are way more liberal than i was thinking you were! i have smacked my son before- but rarely and with a lot of regret. i always felt that it was the easy way out for both of us- the difficult thing to do is to use other punishments, but usually they take up time and effort. indeed one of the main arguments i have heard for corporal punishment is that it is quick and it is over and the parent/ child can get on and forget about it. too easy IMO to take that road. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family
-Caveat Lector- From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well Bill, I have discovered one thing - the kids who have parents who care for them, and live decent lives, are always the victims of those who do not. Littleton is a classic example of kids left alone - drugs, guns, TV videos, and let us say the wrong kind of upbringing. It seems to me that the alleged perps in Littleton both came from caring, loving, decent, intact nuclear families who cared for them -- not a broken home in the lot... And the victims watched the same TV, movies and videogames as those who attacked them... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family
-Caveat Lector- alright a steady diet of Jesus and the hickory stick sounds like an ideal joyful childhood to me -- - --- -- --- -- Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. George Washington NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Bill Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 05:33:52 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family -Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Let Me Tell You About My Family By Chuck Baldwin December 4, 2001 Tomorrow my wife and I will help celebrate our oldest son's 25th birthday. A few weeks ago, we celebrated our daughter's 27th birthday, and shortly before that, we celebrated our youngest son's 22nd birthday. I have often said that I would rather be a successful husband and father than a successful anything else. If I accomplish nothing more in life, I consider my life to be a huge success because of the outstanding family God has given to me. Our oldest son is in the early days of owning his own plumbing business. He and his wife named their little boy after yours truly. They were both virgins when they married. They are a dedicated Christian couple serving the Lord together in our church. They do not drink, smoke, or use drugs. They have never been in trouble with the law. They love God, each other, and their parents. Our only daughter is the apple of my eye. Her husband is in the early days of owning his own engineering company. They have three children. My daughter and her husband are the youth leaders in our church. They, too, were virgins when they married and do not drink, smoke, or use drugs. They have never been in trouble with the law, and they demonstrate the highest degree of Christian dedication. Our youngest son is in his first year of law school. He is still single. Like his brother and sister, he is a faithful, dedicated Christian that has kept himself morally clean and does not use alcohol, tobacco or drugs. He loves God and our family. If it sounds like I am bragging, I am - on Jesus! I recognize that every good gift comes from above, and that includes this most precious of all gifts: a Christian home. At the same time, many people who know my family have asked me to share the principles we used in rearing our children. (It is amusing that so many child experts have never successfully raised children of their own.) I begin by saying that raising children is hard work. The responsibility of raising children cannot be passed off to a school (public or private) or to any other institution, including government. I am sorry to have to tell Hillary that it takes a mom and dad, not a village, to raise a family! Parenting must be given the priority it deserves. Parenting is not a hobby; it is a full time occupation. One cannot ignore his or her children and expect them to turn out well. Beyond that, preoccupation with materialism and greed will also ruin a child. Wallowing in moral and spiritual poverty while surrounded by material and financial prosperity is the sad story of many American families, I am afraid. It takes time and effort to instill the fundamental principles of character and conviction into our children. There is no short cut, no easy way to raise honest, considerate children. Child rearing takes love, instruction, and discipline. All three ingredients are equally important. Children must be loved. They must be taught, and they must be disciplined. I would even argue, that if children are not taught right from wrong and are not properly disciplined, they are not loved. Any parent who truly loves his or her child will be ready and able to teach and discipline them. To be sure, many parents have done everything right, and their children have still turned out wrong. I do not understand it, but I know it is true. I am also aware that there are examples of parents who did it all wrong and their kids turned out right. Only the grace and sovereignty of God can explain some things. Overall, however, we have the kind of children we raise. It seems to me that a bundle of love and a big hickory switch would solve most of America's problems. At least it solved a bunch of mine. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family
-Caveat Lector- Can't be worse than prison, broken homes, dope, abortions, blind obedience to Government. I'll take the light burden of Jesus. Sounds like old Chuck did a good job. If I can get mine educated, not pregnant, not in jail, not addicted to drugs or alcohol, I'll have done my job. -Caveat Lector- alright a steady diet of Jesus and the hickory stick sounds like an ideal joyful childhood to me -- - --- -- - -- -- Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. George Washington NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Bill Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 05:33:52 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family -Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Let Me Tell You About My Family By Chuck Baldwin December 4, 2001 Tomorrow my wife and I will help celebrate our oldest son's 25th birthday. A few weeks ago, we celebrated our daughter's 27th birthday, and shortly before that, we celebrated our youngest son's 22nd birthday. I have often said that I would rather be a successful husband and father than a successful anything else. If I accomplish nothing more in life, I consider my life to be a huge success because of the outstanding family God has given to me. Our oldest son is in the early days of owning his own plumbing business. He and his wife named their little boy after yours truly. They were both virgins when they married. They are a dedicated Christian couple serving the Lord together in our church. They do not drink, smoke, or use drugs. They have never been in trouble with the law. They love God, each other, and their parents. Our only daughter is the apple of my eye. Her husband is in the early days of owning his own engineering company. They have three children. My daughter and her husband are the youth leaders in our church. They, too, were virgins when they married and do not drink, smoke, or use drugs. They have never been in trouble with the law, and they demonstrate the highest degree of Christian dedication. Our youngest son is in his first year of law school. He is still single. Like his brother and sister, he is a faithful, dedicated Christian that has kept himself morally clean and does not use alcohol, tobacco or drugs. He loves God and our family. If it sounds like I am bragging, I am - on Jesus! I recognize that every good gift comes from above, and that includes this most precious of all gifts: a Christian home. At the same time, many people who know my family have asked me to share the principles we used in rearing our children. (It is amusing that so many child experts have never successfully raised children of their own.) I begin by saying that raising children is hard work. The responsibility of raising children cannot be passed off to a school (public or private) or to any other institution, including government. I am sorry to have to tell Hillary that it takes a mom and dad, not a village, to raise a family! Parenting must be given the priority it deserves. Parenting is not a hobby; it is a full time occupation. One cannot ignore his or her children and expect them to turn out well. Beyond that, preoccupation with materialism and greed will also ruin a child. Wallowing in moral and spiritual poverty while surrounded by material and financial prosperity is the sad story of many American families, I am afraid. It takes time and effort to instill the fundamental principles of character and conviction into our children. There is no short cut, no easy way to raise honest, considerate children. Child rearing takes love, instruction, and discipline. All three ingredients are equally important. Children must be loved. They must be taught, and they must be disciplined. I would even argue, that if children are not taught right from wrong and are not properly disciplined, they are not loved. Any parent who truly loves his or her child will be ready and able to teach and discipline them. To be sure, many parents have done everything right, and their children have still turned out wrong. I do not understand it, but I know it is true. I am also aware that there are examples of parents who did it all wrong and their kids turned out right. Only the grace and sovereignty of God can explain some things. Overall, however, we have the kind of children we raise. It seems to me that a bundle of love and a big hickory switch would solve most of America's problems. At least it solved a bunch of mine. *COPYRIGHT
Re: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family
-Caveat Lector- you don't need jesus or a stick to teach children. it is an obscene thing to say and more obscene yet to say it in the name of love. severe abuse syndrome anyone? i love you whack i love you whack i love you whack. - Original Message - From: Bill Kalivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Let Me Tell You About My Family -Caveat Lector- Can't be worse than prison, broken homes, dope, abortions, blind obedience to Government. I'll take the light burden of Jesus. Sounds like old Chuck did a good job. If I can get mine educated, not pregnant, not in jail, not addicted to drugs or alcohol, I'll have done my job. -Caveat Lector- alright a steady diet of Jesus and the hickory stick sounds like an ideal joyful childhood to me -- - --- -- - -- -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
