Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?]]

1999-08-09 Thread Robert Tatman

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YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Robert Tatman wrote:
 sexually harrassed by women. The case June cites is probably not really an
 instance of a woman raping a man, however, because I suspect that the male
 "accomplice" was the instigator and had actually forced the woman to
seduce
 her victims. I'm not challenging the overall theme of June's post, of
 course--far from it; I agree thoroughly with her comments.

 From what I remember of what the cop recounted about the case (and
 remember, this was about 25 years ago), the woman wasn't all that much a
 victim of her male friendmore like a sexual 'Bonnie and Clyde", I
 think the male accomplice was impotent, and the gal 'got off' on the
 power trip of being able to seduce men (apparantly she was a blonde
 bombshell and didn't have to try to hard, especially in the height of the
 sexually free early 1970s)I think that as things turned out, both the
 woman and her accomplice were closet gays, e.g. she really was a lesbian,
 and the male accomplice was really homosexual...

 They had a lot of other psychological garbage going on, not the least of
 which was drug abuse, so no one should latch onto this as 'typical' for
 gays of either gender...


Really weird--*Psychopathia Sexualis* stuff, eh? You've got me curious about
the case. Just for the heck of it, let me do some digging around and see if I
can find the original press reports. Not that it's really relevant to any
particular discussion, but just morbid curiosity...

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?]

1999-08-06 Thread Robert Tatman

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YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Andrew Hennessey wrote:
 
 where ??? :) can you get some some phone numbers ?

 This response reminds me of a rape prevention workshop I attend more than
 20 years ago...a cop recounted how rape wasn't just a crime perpetated
 against women by men, but that recently (which would have meant sometime
 in the early 1970s) there had been a series of 'rapes' in the
 Philadelphia area, where a very good looking woman seduced unwitting
 males...

 The cop was quick to add "Now, before you men in the audience say 'Bring
 her on!', let me add that this woman had a male accomplice who would come
 into the bedroom during the height of passion and castrate the male
 victim"

 Andrew's response also belies the common misperception that rape has to
 do with sex, when in reality it deals with power and coercion...


 June ;-)

Sexual abuse of *any* kind is more about power and force than it is about sex.
Whether it's in the context of domestic violence, street violence, or mind
control, it's all about power. The perpetrators often (usually) have deep
feelings of either insecurity or overblown self-worth, and use sex as a weapon
to assert their superiority. As women move more and more into traditional
"male" roles in society, we can expect increasing reports of men being
sexually harrassed by women. The case June cites is probably not really an
instance of a woman raping a man, however, because I suspect that the male
"accomplice" was the instigator and had actually forced the woman to seduce
her victims. I'm not challenging the overall theme of June's post, of
course--far from it; I agree thoroughly with her comments.

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?]

1999-08-06 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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 I'm not challenging the overall theme of June's post, of
course--far from it; I agree thoroughly with her comments.

Bob

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what - inasmuch as June's comments reflected badly on me - you thouroughly
endorse them - ???
have you an agenda Bob ??

Having had the British Security Service rape two of my sisters, I know all
about it.

Andrew


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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?]

1999-08-06 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Robert Tatman wrote:
sexually harrassed by women. The case June cites is probably not really an
instance of a woman raping a man, however, because I suspect that the male
"accomplice" was the instigator and had actually forced the woman to seduce
her victims. I'm not challenging the overall theme of June's post, of
course--far from it; I agree thoroughly with her comments.

From what I remember of what the cop recounted about the case (and
remember, this was about 25 years ago), the woman wasn't all that much a
victim of her male friendmore like a sexual 'Bonnie and Clyde", I
think the male accomplice was impotent, and the gal 'got off' on the
power trip of being able to seduce men (apparantly she was a blonde
bombshell and didn't have to try to hard, especially in the height of the
sexually free early 1970s)I think that as things turned out, both the
woman and her accomplice were closet gays, e.g. she really was a lesbian,
and the male accomplice was really homosexual...

They had a lot of other psychological garbage going on, not the least of
which was drug abuse, so no one should latch onto this as 'typical' for
gays of either gender...



June ;-)

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Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?

1999-08-06 Thread Nicola Molloy

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Andrew I think you may have something there about men becoming redundant
to some women.

However if you look at enough of these surveys asking men what they want
they often stress - independance, sense of humour etc. Do you ever see
men saying I'd like to be a protector of women, a knight in armour etc
I've heard of men actually looking for a working woman so that they'll
be sure to pay half the mortgage. I think at the turn of the century men
were dependant on women to feed them and clean up after them but nowdays
they want a buddy, preferring the freedom of not having to conform to a
ritual of being the breadwinner. They expect women to be intelligent and
to get a life. I think they fear being bored with someone, so the woman
is obliged to be interesting every minute as it's so easy to get another
partner.

Personally I think men nowdays want too much compared to what they are
offering women. We now worry whether they will end up being dependant
slobs, so the tables have turned!

Nicky










Andrew Hennessey wrote:

 but wasn't the 'american woman' almost archetypically amazon in the eyes of
 international popular media culture  the 'mother in ;law' - the hen
 pecked husband etc etc - isn't 'girl power' another nail in the coffin of
 the cultural move to make the duality of sex redundant -

 I saw one ad in UK newspaper - of a cool executive girly and the text read -

 'I have the perfect job, the perfect life ... now all I need is the perfect
 sperm.'


 Andrew



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Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?

1999-08-06 Thread Bill

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"You yankees are silly, 'bout matters of the Heart.  Don't
you know that women are the only works of art?  You've been
drivin' with your eyes closed..."
Don Henley
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Nicola Molloy wrote:

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 Andrew I think you may have something there about men becoming redundant
 to some women.

 However if you look at enough of these surveys asking men what they want
 they often stress - independance, sense of humour etc. Do you ever see
 men saying I'd like to be a protector of women, a knight in armour etc
 I've heard of men actually looking for a working woman so that they'll
 be sure to pay half the mortgage. I think at the turn of the century men
 were dependant on women to feed them and clean up after them but nowdays
 they want a buddy, preferring the freedom of not having to conform to a
 ritual of being the breadwinner. They expect women to be intelligent and
 to get a life. I think they fear being bored with someone, so the woman
 is obliged to be interesting every minute as it's so easy to get another
 partner.

 Personally I think men nowdays want too much compared to what they are
 offering women. We now worry whether they will end up being dependant
 slobs, so the tables have turned!

 Nicky

 Andrew Hennessey wrote:
 
  but wasn't the 'american woman' almost archetypically amazon in the eyes of
  international popular media culture  the 'mother in ;law' - the hen
  pecked husband etc etc - isn't 'girl power' another nail in the coffin of
  the cultural move to make the duality of sex redundant -
 
  I saw one ad in UK newspaper - of a cool executive girly and the text read -
 
  'I have the perfect job, the perfect life ... now all I need is the perfect
  sperm.'
 

  Andrew
 
 

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Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?

1999-08-05 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, William Shannon wrote:


  College men nearly as likely as women to report
  they are victims of unwanted sexual coercion

  The stereotypical picture of men as the perpetrators and women as
  the victims of acquaintance rape and other forms of unwanted sexual
  contact appears to be slightly out of focus 


Oh SURE! Unless the broad is as ugly as a horse OR the guy is a
queen, this is ABSURD!!  Did Ms. Schalfly put this BS out???

The article stressed that the questionaire was 'sexually neutral', so my
guess is that at least some of the men reporting unwanted sexual
attention were being hit on by other men

Altho I've heard some guys claim they had sex with females who
'pressured' them, because the guys said they felt that if they didn't,
their 'manhood' would be questioned


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Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?

1999-08-05 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Andrew Hennessey wrote:

where ??? :) can you get some some phone numbers ?

This response reminds me of a rape prevention workshop I attend more than
20 years ago...a cop recounted how rape wasn't just a crime perpetated
against women by men, but that recently (which would have meant sometime
in the early 1970s) there had been a series of 'rapes' in the
Philadelphia area, where a very good looking woman seduced unwitting
males...

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victim"

Andrew's response also belies the common misperception that rape has to
do with sex, when in reality it deals with power and coercion...


June ;-)

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Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?

1999-08-05 Thread Sno0wl

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On 5 Aug 99, , YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

 Altho I've heard some guys claim they had sex with females who
 'pressured' them, because the guys said they felt that if they didn't,
 their 'manhood' would be questioned

Part of the old, standard college line. Seems to me I remember that if you weren't
willing or showed reluctance, the first thing the guy said was that you were --or
probably were--"frigid."
Same old same old.


sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?

1999-08-05 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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Andrew's response also belies the common misperception that rape has to
do with sex, when in reality it deals with power and coercion...

June ;-)

Actually, I'm just a naive marginalised victim of a post masculine society
dominated by New Age women who beat on sensitive men because they have not
the courage to tackle the real brutes that made them that way.

Its a common theme now done to death - the suffrage of women - the absolute
backlash is as you explicitly suggest,  the inevitable psychological
castration of the sensitive victim male - its a rather brutish philosophy
in itself this 'Womanism' -
Personally I don't think that the womens movement is quite the Goddesses
gift to the planet that they think it is - [but thats just my opinion] -
for they have gone about marginalising the sensitive man in the same
brutish and masculine way that brutish men marginalised women.

There is plenty cultural evidence to back this up - eg. a recent Jeans
advert has a naked male lying prone with his Jeans down and a women with
her stilleto poised above the guys anus.

Women are being seduced by the 'dark side of the forceful masculine power
trip'

I don't think Margaret Thatcher quite appreciates the immense role model
she is for 21st century womanhood  mind you, I'm just one of those
'sensitive guys'  [imo]

Andrew.

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Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?

1999-08-05 Thread Nicola Molloy

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Well said Andrew!!

It could be a biological problem too. I think the femininization of men
today is to do with what hormones have been put into their bodies
artificially. I mean woman used to take the pill in the 60's with 300
times the bodies estrogen and then go and have a baby. Then we have
plastic containers and weed killers which have an estrogen effect on the
body, not to mention all the hormones in the milk and meat. Plus all the
soy products added into the food with estrogen. The Thames river in
London is full of it. This is because women take the pill and then they
flush it down the toilet and then it goes in the drinking water again
which comes from the Thames.  It is indestructible. Men drink it.

I can't for the life of me think how women could have gotten so
masculine :) maybe it is the constant barrage of movies producing too
much adrenalin. I won't go to a movie unless it has a thrill a minute.
I've become an adrenaline junkie. Armageddon, Star Wars, Soldier. Who
wants to actually do housework and be docile after watching something
that has made you believe life must have more excitement from then on.
Quick send me some London water to balance the scales!

Nicky




Andrew Hennessey wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Andrew's response also belies the common misperception that rape has to
 do with sex, when in reality it deals with power and coercion...

 June ;-)

 Actually, I'm just a naive marginalised victim of a post masculine society
 dominated by New Age women who beat on sensitive men because they have not
 the courage to tackle the real brutes that made them that way.



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Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?

1999-08-04 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 8/3/99 11:48:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  College men nearly as likely as women to report
  they are victims of unwanted sexual coercion

  The stereotypical picture of men as the perpetrators and women as
  the victims of acquaintance rape and other forms of unwanted sexual
  contact appears to be slightly out of focus 



Oh SURE! Unless the broad is as ugly as a horse OR the guy is a
queen, this is ABSURD!!  Did Ms. Schalfly put this BS out???


More than a little skeptical,
Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Sexual coercion by young women growing ?

1999-08-04 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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where ??? :) can you get some some phone numbers ?

but wasn't the 'american woman' almost archetypically amazon in the eyes of
international popular media culture  the 'mother in ;law' - the hen
pecked husband etc etc - isn't 'girl power' another nail in the coffin of
the cultural move to make the duality of sex redundant -

I saw one ad in UK newspaper - of a cool executive girly and the text read -

'I have the perfect job, the perfect life ... now all I need is the perfect
sperm.'

In the UK, the bias of education and effective lives has swung in the
favour of the female - and more men than ever are becoming redundant as a
result of social education and policies. Illiterate school leavers are
predominately male  in the UK.

The NWO social engineering angle is that the Next Race will be hermaphroditic.

Smash the family unit - individualise the sexual process - take total
control of the reproductive process - implant the results - and bingo -
you've got the perfect well adjusted factory unit.

Andrew

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