CS: Pol-.50
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh how reasonable a reply. But I have seen very similar ones from those defending their "self-actions" on the previous bans ie the NRA , and the Deer Society, and the many other self-interest groups who junked someone else's sport to help them keep their own. snip You have taken up Gallery Rifle, oh that new sport with not so many shooters, using what the ACPO would love to see set aside, those high capacity lever actions, h. slash There are over 40 shooters of 50/55 cal rifles in private ownership, and use, here in the UK trim Tom PS the ACPO really doesn't have to do anything, they can leave it to the shooters to sell each other out. ~ Tom's hit this one squarely on the head, those of us who like the bigger calibres (my personal fave. is .6 of an inch all bar 4 thou. "true bore") along with gallery rifles (esp. in PISTOL calibres, mines a .38/.357 MAGNUM BTW) have become an expendable resource to various of the shooting organizations, infighting promoted by them and the state of mind they require of their members can also be a real problem. This week I met two shooters I didn't know here at work, one has converted to bow sports only and finds it much nicer than the carpet humping (.22 indoor prone) league shooting he'd given up to take-up full bore pistol, which when that was banned meant going back or changing directions, the lack of aggro., at the moment, means bow sports suit him very well. The other who shares the same office still shoots, full bore mil. (he's pissed at loosing his ar15, then his pistols) rifle (bolt action) and gallery rifle, also having given up carpet humping. Both agreed the selling out by the appeasers, along with the emotional bias they lend the press from within the shooting world is probably one of the most damaging things to our "minority" sports. If you look carefully at every slightly different shooting activity they can all be considered minorities, and look what happened when the ethnic minorities got their act together, yes they do still fight amongst themselves, but its rarely seen by the public, if you can't loose your contempt, at least keep it private! Niel, still an occasional carpet humper, and I've got a gold somewhere to prove it! Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Tabloid press report
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] And he also claimed that they sold a number of Kalashnikov rifles and ammunition to a group of Scots businessmen he met at the 'Shot Show' in New Orleans, the world's biggest hunting and shooting fair. ~~ I'm I mistaken, or is this an attempt to tie HUNTING and shooting together in the minds of the general populace to promote further restrictions on both -- Personally I think it's untrue, regardless. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Crime-Nail bomb sent to farm
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, I forgot Labour loves (snip here *the Animal Rights*) Terrorists! EW Anyone else see the (fake) bomb on slime watch last week, the originals very advanced electronically apparently... it would seem that the terrorists are getting trained engineers to make them now! I also note that the police fed. are upset at the thames valley force for wanting to bulldoze 12 3 bed semi's at the sulhampstead site to make way for a new range complex, by the looks of it the range site will be quite big...The main focus of the complaint is that they need affordable housing, WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US?, oh and they want the housing allowance re-instated too! Niel. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Field-Cats the worst killers
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mr Woods said: "Cats wearing bells and those that were kept in at night kill fewer mammals. Bells give a warning and wild mammals are mainly nocturnal, so keeping cats in cuts down on mousing time." ~ Most cat "owners" (the people owned by the cats as one vet I know discribes them) won't even put a collar on a cat "incase it stranges itself", still without a collar it "could" be considered feral and "could" be delt with in summary fashion Niel. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Field-Leading in FAC air rifles
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure if this was a "problem looking for a solution" or a bit of quick marketing BUT Prometheus Pellets 020 8340 3039 www.airgunpellets.com Came up with their "sabot" style pellet, i.e. a plastic skirt around the steel?? core. They made differing ones for standard airguns and others for 20 to 80ftlb rifles. I tried their originals 7-8 years ago and found them very good, with better penetration than all lead Tom C Tried both types, and the heavier ones for fac rated will put a borderline legal 11.5 ft/lb rifle over the limit by several ft/lbs due to the reduced friction with greater mass, the lighter ones just travel faster but with less mass than a "normal" pellet so *SHOULD* remain under the limit. Anyone remember them being shown to be especially dangerous on some news program in the late 80's, shattered a clothes dummies head IIRC for dramatic effect. One pellet I liked was the "ballistic", they had a steel ball in the centre ~1.5 mm dia, that carried on when the lead jacket stopped, very effective on vermin, but bounce backs were a risk from tree's if you missed. Fave air rifle, HW80 with a 10 inch barrel and two sided tyrolien stock, shot well off of both shoulders, had a parker hale silencer so the v-short barrel was needed in the fruit fields/convent grounds I had to shoot over. The sisters always appriciated the fruits of my labours, and their brassicas benifited from not being attacked too. Niel Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Home-made explosives
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] My dad has an ancient GE microwave he bought in the 60s that merely has a wire mesh grill door. Steve. Thats all it needs, its all to do with the frequency/wavelength, as long as the holes are less that a quarter wavelength then nothing will pass though. Niel, radio pro (and ham), former cooker engineer as well. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Naval Guns, a small aside
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The command to discharge one of these is not FIRE! as most movie makers think, simply Shoot, thus avoiding confusion in the heat of battle. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-self defence
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "IG", INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, I'll take up that challenge, as you might expect Why should someone who had 24 hr police protection need a gun for self defence IG Following your argument then, we the tax payers, are having vast sums of OUR money wasted by those in power who "need" their armed protection, even though its a complete waste of time,money and effort? Anyone else remember the vastly increased number of openly armed police arround tony blair when he first came to power compared with john major (or even maggie)? A bit like the US president having lots of police attend rallies with him when calling for the regulation of this and that, the subliminal message is "we have the armed men, and don't you forget it" the threat is clearly there, along with the additional message "we support what he (the president) wants" even if they don't. Niel. -- Having watched the Secret Service practice, I think I'd prefer to carry a gun myself and let them act as sandbags if I was the President. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Queen and phesants
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] If fox hunting is banned, the raising of pheasants for shooting may then follow with an inevitaly devastating impact on the countryside economy. If anyone was listening to radio 2 at lunch time today the angry reponse to the shooting rep. by the anti over HM the Queen (god bless her cotton socks) wringing the neck of that phesant would realise that the writing is very much on the wall for all shooting sports. The best comment phoned in was from a rescue centre (possibly former) manager, "she (HM) did exactly the right thing and prevented any suffering continuing", and no comment about the rights or wrongs of sporting shooting. I did notice everyone was saying the queen doesn't shoot, but I remember seeing HM shooting and assisting with the dressing out of a deer a few years back on the beeb? Niel. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Cops Shooters tarred w. same brush?
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, I tend to agree with most of what you say. I can see that the police service is heading down the wrong road. It is headed by far too many politically sensitive types, who are more interested in their career and promotion prospects than in the actual rights and wrongs of what policies they pursue. Anyone in Southampton on the 30th Nov. might find the invited speaker, sir John Stevens, commissioner of the metropolitan police, speaking on THE FRONTIERS OF POLICING, of interest, 5.45 pm Murray lecture theater, Murrey building, University of Southampton. Not sure of my commitments, but I will try to make it. Niel. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Crime-Homeopath's killer may have psychic grudge
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is some debate about how many shots were fired, but ... the man bent over him and another shot was discharged. There may have been three shots discharged in total. The Teletext article I read said it could have been up to 12 shots. Jonathan Laws.
CS: Pol-statutory right of entry
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone got a copy of Richard Stillgo on thats life singing the "they have a statutory right of entry to your home" song? Just a passing thought. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Crime-cameras and others
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some believe that cameras stop crime, personally I don't. At most it "moves crime on".It will not stop the thug smacking that old man or woman for their pension. It may have helped the police id Hamilton by his clothes, depending on the condition of his head, BUT A CAMERA WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED HIM Just clearing out my stored mail log and found this interesting, As some know I work in an educational establishment, the incidence of violent crimes against persons and property here has been growing at a most alarming rate recently, talking to the chief security officers staff yesterday was most enlightening. During the day there are 5 staff on the main campus, one is commited to watching the monitors, one in a car *supervising*, one on foot putting parking enforcement notices on parked cars and two keeping the odd-bods from parking in the wrong place outside the admin. building. At night this drops to 2, one on the monitors one in the car. Away from the main campus there are more officers, 4 in one location (2 at night) because of the risk of bodies (human) being stolen/damaged, and another location has 6 during the day and 4 at night as they have an MOD research contract Some outlying areas have no security staff at all, the biggest fears of the women I spoke to were the risk of violent assault/rape returning to their cars after work in the dark, for the unaware freshers this time of year is VERY dangerous (male as well as female). Why so few security staff? After putting up CCTV (without IR illuminators so they are useless at night) the admin. people reduced the funding as they were no longer needed! The chief security officer visited another location along the coast and found 3 times the staff plus, CCTV with IR illumination, car-parks that were not just lit, but flood-lighted (he knows we have a problem), but as usual the money men have ruled that cameras are cheaper than staff and "more effective". It seems that the money men like cameras, cheaper than people (who are an actual deterent in most situations) and when linked to speed sensors etc revenue earners, I also suspect that if Blair and Straw succeed in making the police a nation-wide force, rather than the more local ones we have now, the spread of big brothers cameras and reduced police patrolling (petrol is SO expensive) will mean more no-go areas And just think your face will be known to the central computer so your movements can/will? be monitored realtime, will it summon an ARV just because I'm walking my son to school (known firearms certificate holder too near to children), will it cancel/down-grade a schools calls for help with an intruder because they are not? Niel, just a little concerned. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-TV
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having been off sick I did watch some tv... TW last week, item about new wound dressing, P.Snow in washington dc reporting, quick throw away line about the number of murders commited in DC, "murders, caused by handguns", DC where they are banned? Satanic guns with their own agenda? HO-HUM same old lies :-( Super Human, sunday, prof (lord) winston letting rip with a browning 9mm, shooting up a rover 800 series on a british F plate, with assistance from the army? Seems that IF you are in favour you can do what you like! Niel. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-vote time
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] It seems the bbc is having regional sports personality contests this year, tonight they asked for nominations/votes for the bbc south area. As you should be aware richard f is from down this way, BUT, I have a better nomination, the lady air-rifle shooter who won gold in the para-olympics from down this way, she has won several medals in different sports at previous para-olyimpics and due to age/infirmity has now taken up air rifle shooting. The reason is simple, sympathy vote and less likely to question why a shooter was being voted for. They made it quite clear one vote per person ONLY, and they would be checking that multiple votes did not occur (probably only if you vote for non pc sports). The e-mail address for nominations/votes is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Niel, who actually thinks she deserves it on her own merits, as well as supporting "our" sporting area. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-Devon
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think we need to watch this development very carefully as it is an angle that has been mooted before as a possible requirement on shooters ie that anyone going shooting should inform the police when and where they are going. For some it is part of a process of suggestions aimed at making shooting unviable. It may also be interesting to know who is making complaints and whether complaints are coming from people who are opposed to live quarry shooting. Well my dear old (and now dead) dad, had precisely this happen to him whilst shooting rabbits on a football clubs grounds. THREE arv's and boxer1 (boxer 2, as in too late, too expensive etc) the air support unit were sent to "check him out". One officer in full ballistic kit and with a pistol in his hand walked up shouting to drop the weapon, he didn't, but merely opened the action and put it carefully on the ground (you don't throw good shotguns around), whilst dad was covered by two others in the stands with mp5's and one lying on the ground semi hidden behind the arv with a "sniper" rifle. The one approaching told him to lie on the ground, and got told where to get off, which flummoxed him a bit from what dad told me. After all the documents were checked, serial number of the gun recorded etc, the officer demanded several samples from the cartridge belt "just to check that they were legal"He was then told next time to phone both the local station and HQ to let them know where he was going to be shooting, just so he wasn't bothered. So he did, and every time an arv was seen stopped observing him for at least 10 minutes. The other problem I know of involves some wildfowlers who inform the local station and HQ by post before the season starts of the the active shooters list, who their duty wardens (who work with the RSPB wardens, and every shooter has to do his share) are for each date in the season. The members phone the divisional control room when they go out, and atleast once a week someone gets rousted and marched off the marsh, just to check their details, because someone has reported them shooting the bird's (one local Labour MP is a regular caller, so my sources tell me). Niel. p.s. Chichester harbour is now in serious decline following the harassment of the shooting members (and voluntary wardens) to the point they disbanded, the complainers now whinging that the bird life in the area is in a rapid declineThe RSPB know the BASC people are the best at doing the work, but they are not the ones causing the problem Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-teletext
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CS: Legal-RFDs and gun testing
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The bit about section 5 reminded me of when the police raided the gunsmiths in Fareham high street many years ago. They held a section 5 for development of the silenced stirling. The day after it ran out the local police arrived mob handed and demanded all the section 5 guns. The smith doing the work was locked in the gun room at the time and refused to open the cage type door, made a phone call and told the inspector leading the team that he should keep quiet and listen to his radio. 2 Min's later the radio sprang into life and they were told to back-off, but remain on the premises. 15-20 min's later the MP's from Chichester arrived and locked all those on the premises inside. Within two hours a new section 5 permit, issued on behalf of the MOD arrived by escorted ministry courier, then and only then were the civilian police allowed to leave by the MOD representitives and the MP's. Still make's me chuckle, MP's locking up civi coppers... Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-Certificate renewals
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Absolutley not, because they are wrong and if it gets to court you will be convicted of illegal possession. The other problem that has been missed is what happens if for some reason they refuse your renewal. If your cert is not in force they are perfectly entitled to come round your house, confiscate your guns and arrest you. Jonathan Laws My father (who recently passed away) had this happen to him, his cert was in for renewal, day after expiry the uniform local inspector and another uniform turn up and demand to inspect his guns, after comments about how clean and well looked after they were etc from the other uniform, she (the inspector) stated that she could see no reason why someone would want all those guns and they would be taking them with them as no cert was in force. Dad produced the letter which stated that if the paperwork was in then there was no need to lodge the guns with an RFD and told them to leave and come back with a warrant! Next morning they arrived mob handed, warrant in hand at 10:00, he'd been with his usual RFD at 8:30 and was waiting for them, they tried to snatch the RFD's receipt (unsuccessfully) and had to send a car to check all the guns were lodged. The firearms inspector called at dad's place (after his death and having had dad's cert's handed to him several months before) recently to remind dad that he needed to get his application in for renewal before the due date, seems they can't even keep track of who actually alive, let alone who's got a certificate Niel (I found the visit quite funny, though I wasn't there my brother is a real wind-up artist and had them going round in circle's...even the 3, YES THREE, uniforms sent as back-up with the inspector thought it was funny!). Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Big Brother is watching you
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] As an industry watcher, not from the usual view-point though, it has been noted that BT/NTL etc are slowly killing off the smaller isp's so that control of the internet and the profits remain theirs, no doubt the security services will aid them as it means less equipment to maintain etc. Of course if they were to snatch (with warrants) our machines, who's to say what they will "apparently" find on our hard drives? They would have a problem with ours as I only use this (web) account for cybershooters and don't cache it either, and there is rather a lot of machines where I work that I could use for access 15-20k at last count plus cybercafe's, still I'll continue to send in the clear, as encryption is being seen as having something to hide these days. Niel. -- We use UUNET at work, although they have endless problems with their DNS. However they are a huge service provider. I have built a server running IPv6 but I haven't had a chance to try doing another one yet so I don't know if it works! Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-neighbours protest Olympic medal winners range
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The area round Andover is pretty rural and there must be farms well away from habitation that would have given him permission to practice. Bisley is well within reach too. Just imagine that you just spent half a million on a house in that village only to find that your neighbour is planning to open a commercial clay pigeon range, which would make your house practically unsaleable! Alex ~~# Pretty and rural, with lots of houses and cottages owned by people who are not country sports supporters. A colleague moving from the Oxford area two years ago went to one falling down 2u2d cottage that needed a ground-up rebuild, the seller wanted 125K plus for it, it went for over 175K in the end to someone from "the city" he ended up in Newbury as anything out of town was way out of reachSee my previous e-mail for the antics of others in the area QC's seem to be in abundance, senile "retired" (except when they need a quote in support) judges too. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-ECHR
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] As I said in an earlier message, which was not published:- Photos taken by the type of speed camera used in this country could not be used in evidence in Germany, for instance: the photo would have to show the driver. However, cameras capable of doing this, i.e. photographing the car number plate and the driver from the front, and not the rear, are more expensive than those used in this country. Does anyone know whether the new digital speed cameras that are now being installed will be able to identify the driver, if not, then they would also be a waste of money? Yes the one's on trial down here are, 5 front zones and 3 rear on the gantry jobbies (plate, tyres, driver, tax disc. tyres, plate) so I am told. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-police positions
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Innocent", INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip If we can influence the copper on the ground, especially the young ones, we will lay the foundations for the future as these youngsters move up the ranks. Just as we all believe in training the young shots of today to become the experts of tomorrow, so we can apply the same to the police. Chris Slight problem here, most of the upper ranks are now graduate recruits, and as several old hands have pointed out only those who will do what the whitehall mob want get on, most constables can only ever aspire (with any real chance of success) to inspector at most these days unfortunately Niel. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-S.54 etc.
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] JHP should also be used, where applicable, but we cant have it 'cos the Hague convention says so. Comments on this would be gratefully received. (Article 29 of the Hague convention on Warfare on Land, 1899 refers I think!). We use JSP instead. I'm not sure that the Hague convention applies to civilian police officers in peace time the and to be honest the jhp would be safer for bystanders in some circumstances, the MOD police are different again though IIRC. One bit that does apply is that civilian police officers cannot use full auto firearms, self loaders ok, but not full auto. IIRC the DEA got caught out and they now train their "men in black" they must not pick-up and use any criminals gun during an operation incase its a full auto. # As a small aside, hants use a logo with the words "enforcing the peace" on vehicles, post franks, posters etc, this is part of the organisations problem perhaps? The courts enforce, don't they? Niel. p.s. you are right about vehicles killing more, or is that the drivers fault? And when the cameras went up around here they were on major roads without easy access on foot, not local access roads with children running around or having to cross to get to school, guess where most of the speeding takes place -- According to some ancient Home Office policy the police will respect the Hague Convention, don't ask me why, apparently softpoints don't violate the convention, hardly surprising given the ballistic performance! Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-anonymity
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] My view is that the police should ditch the MP5s and assault rifles which scare the crap out of the public (with rare exceptions) Steve. But thats what they are meant to do, isn't it? Niel -- I think too many police officers have watched the SAS during the Iranian Embassy siege. I saw some tape of a SWAT team in Washington State, I think it was Tacoma, can't remember exactly. They were all armed with Glocks. The pointman had a Glock 18 with the 33-round mag. Flashlights mounted on the pistols. I watched that and I thought to myself, "hmm, why is it that so many police are armed with MP5s" - there is no real logical reason, a pistol or an MP5 is just as lethal inside a building, and if anything a pistol is easier to move with. Someone said once that the MP5 was on a sling so you had both hands free if you wanted - anyone heard of holsters and lanyards? Pistols make more sense because it is possible to carry two, so your backup is the same as your primary weapon. Plus all the magazines are interchangeable between weapons. The use of the MP5 is to a large extent a triumph of marketing. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-paedophile register
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hamilton was first and foremost a paedophile, he murdered those poor kids and their teacher for no other reason than "If he could not have his perverted way with them, nobody would". In the current atmosphere of "paedophile bashing" we will be missing a golden opportunity to remind the media and Jackass Straw that we were used as a scapegoat for paedophiles! Why was the witchhunt against shooters and not paedophiles? I see a danger in shooters getting in on this, we may be clean living people but some of the things I hear locally are getting a little worrying The register the baying mob in Portsmouth want access to involves those who pose a risk to children, it won't take much for them to demand shooters to be added to the list (we must be perverted, we like "playing" with guns). Niel. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-anonymity
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can suggest a time as to when all this changed- after the Brixton riots in 1981- Try after the violent suppression of the miners at around the same time, a family member was a senior officer in the field back then and from what he told me the biggest problem was the control of the uniformed mob. The first units had removed their ID numbers (don't know who I am so I can do what I like) and from then on no-one trusted them to use restraint, he had to force officers to replace their ID numbers on several occasionsThe problems started before then in the minds of those who saw the police as a private army, for maggie or anyone else, but that capped it for a lot of people. Yes they are supposed to be civilians, but as Nick points out they think they are something else Niel. -- I thought the Met still didn't have collar numbers? Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-South Today 7-8-2000
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sir, Following the excellent, if rather short, coverage of the world clay-pigeon shooting championship at the weekend on last nights South Today (7-8-2000). I found the inappropriate use of an image, a shot-gun being loaded, during a item on Wimborne's perpetrations for Britain in Bloom, with a voice over about litter-bugs bring unacceptable, rather disturbing. Is there a "joker" in the editing suite, or is this some form of subliminal message that violence with firearm's is acceptable ? I await your reply with interest. Niel Fagan, concerned viewer. -- 12 gauge seems a bit much for litter bugs, maybe it was a .410 thoughG. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Stolen Firearms
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just checked the Uni of Sotons web-newspaper page, Aug 2 (Though not seen until today, and I check daily). 4x .22 rifles stolen from the boatyard, removed from security cabinets along with some ammo. Bolts stored elseware so not fireable. Any info, soton CID would like to know on 0845 045 4545, anyone at the uni has to dial that number from home as the uni's phone system won't allow 0845 numbers to be dialled BTW. ~~~ IIRC they (or the ones they replaced)were stolen several years ago, and found proped against the boatyard workshop door or somewhere similar one morning, again no bolts so of no use! The uni's "club" range is in the boatyard compound, I can't comment on the security as its membership by invite only and I havn't seen inside the range buildings, however the yard is only secured by a 6 foot fence and gates and is open to the water, as you would expect.. Though with their record for security I don't think I'd join them even if I was invited! Niel. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Hampshire Police go .40
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Had an interesting chat with an arv crew today (arv=traffic volvo, not tactical firearms support unit). It seems that sensibly that all armed vehicles in hampshire are now datatracked, so if they lose one it can't get lost for too longAlso the 9mm MP5's are to be replaced with some sort of compact glock-with-a-stock in .40 cal, I also wonder if the gsp's will be replaced with .40 glock pistols for ammo compatability? And yes fac renewal is running at around 5 months down here too! Niel. -- That's quite interesting as it is the first I have heard of UK police using .40 calibre. I assume they're talking about the HK UMP40 in semi-auto as the Glock carbine never came to fruition. I wonder what load they will use in .40, I can't think of any .40 SPs off the top of my head and I assume JHPs are still a no-no. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Dunblane
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pardon me if I had the wrong information, but I was led to believe that the Chief Constable and the murderer were both Masons. I was also informed that the chief Constable said he HAD to issue the licence which statement, having read your firearms law is a load of crap! -- There is no evidence that Hamilton was a mason, or McMurdo as I recall. Frankly using the masons as an excuse always strikes me as a waste of time, because it makes it look as though ACC McMurdo knew what he was doing but was bent, when in fact he didn't know what he was doing which is far worse IMO. Steve. The lodge number quoted for Hamilton does not exist in this country (somewhere in the far east IIRC), and grand lodge (England) said so, the grand lodge of scotland however said nothing as far as I could tell from down here... Various labour militants/trades unionists etc saw an opertunity and attempted to use it to attack the masons, indeed several union commitee members here tried to make an issue of it (they were also shooters), however further information put in their hands stopped them making fools of themselves... Niel, former mason, trade union safety rep, SHOOTER. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-ITV tonight
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] There I was minding my own looking at the teletext about Liars lying son and I hear shooting from the box, switch back to picture and there's a FULL BORE pistol "match" being shot, with a super-tv-cop doing very well and then throwing the match. So I kept watching, drivel about bent gunsmiths, re-ac-de-ac, finishing with (after getting it and a full mag from a locked gun cab.) a "child" and big mac (mac10) spraying his tormentors (bullies getting shot by victim?). One of the main thrusts was he (the bent gunsmith) a LATHE, ok who on the lists into model engineering or similar? Do I need a licence for my toolmakers lathe at work The second parts next week at 9, I may watch for further ammo (Written words NOT bullets) to throw at the ITC Niel. -- What was the name of the programme? Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
