RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
I received the SDCard with the 150GB SVN dump from Rob in yesterday's postal delivery. Herbert Duerr has also provided some tips on using the Zipped git repo that he created. I will set up a notebook for keeping track of everything I (attempt to) do. It will be interesting to watch that SVN dump load into a local FSFS SVN that I will create. I am taking my time and will probably not have any further report until the end of April. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com] Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:09 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Spam (8.03):Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 4:55 AM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just AOO. [ ... ] sharing the responsibility for preserving the code history of the former OpenOffice.org project, TDF would be happy to help keeping those legacy repos publicly available for posterity. It is indeed of great help for ongoing development, to be able to re-trace the history of individual code changes. This is good to know. We have now several offers to host/preserve the data. First step, for me at least, is to get a copy of the dump of to Dennis. He's volunteered to take a closer look and compare to what Herbert has. If it ends up what I have is important then we can discuss the best way to distribute it further. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 4:55 AM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just AOO. It is not exactly the syllabic nucleus of the Vulcan language, but it could be useful. If someone can offer a better long-term place for this, please chime in. Hi Rob, *, sharing the responsibility for preserving the code history of the former OpenOffice.org project, TDF would be happy to help keeping those legacy repos publicly available for posterity. It is indeed of great help for ongoing development, to be able to re-trace the history of individual code changes. This is good to know. We have now several offers to host/preserve the data. First step, for me at least, is to get a copy of the dump of to Dennis. He's volunteered to take a closer look and compare to what Herbert has. If it ends up what I have is important then we can discuss the best way to distribute it further. Regards, -Rob Best, -- Thorsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
Sorry to answer late on this, got swamped by other emails and initiatives. In line answers. 2015-02-28 23:10 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org: -- replying inline to -- From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:38 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: IMHO this is an invaluable source of our history that we shouldn't loose. I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just AOO. Please save it at a location where it cannot be deleted by accident. So, the best would be indeed somewhere on a server/disk that is controlled/accessible at apache.org. One issue may be licensing, as the work stored on Rob's disk was not the one approved by Oracle to be relicensed for use by Apache. Even if that can be resolved, the image probably also includes portions that were not included in the code identified for relicensing approval. I'm no expert on Apache policies but it seems possible either of those conditions could make the file inappropriate for storage by Apache directly. It is not exactly the syllabic nucleus of the Vulcan language, but it could be useful. If someone can offer a better long-term place for this, please chime in. An SVN dump file is a text file, so I could gzip it down to something a bit smaller, maybe 50 GB. It could be even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only) repository, to consult the history of the code base. I'll hold on to it for now, but note that this is not currently in any controlled data center. It is just sitting at home on a shelf, susceptible to the whims of fire, water, wind, the fates and cats. It would be good to get it under suitable curation. orcmid Three prospects (worst to best?) 1. I just saw mention of an Apache branch on a file-sharing service, not a code repository, but 50GB might be a reach. 2. I have a web hosting service that promises unlimited storage and no bandwidth usage limit (though I think instantaneous bandwidth is limited). They also support CVS, SVN, and GIT, but I think I would have to install the SVN myself. I could easily create an FTP account just for transfer and preservation of that specific content though. Not certain about curation. Just another mirror for preservation purposes. 3. I think SourceForge might be able to swallow this and set it up as a read-only SVN. Although the Apache Extras there are set up mainly as a download service, there is no reason that it could not have a repo too. This would be perfect so long as it is workable for them. SourceForge is definitely open and willing to do so, and let me add that by doing that we would just go back to our own roots. In fact the early working name for the SourceForge site was Cold Storage ( http://linux.omnipotent.net/article.php?article_id=3649) and they intended it to be a permanent archive for important FOSS. Having said that, for a long-standing project like AOO, even if the old code will be of limited use to an end-user, but as a practical matter it's important for projects to keep these early materials in case they are needed to demonstrate code ownership or prior art. We continue to view this as part of our key mission -- where practicable we should provide service to safeguard the availability of these materials. Dave Brondsema, Apache Allura VP and SourceForge Lead Engineer, will follow up in this thread providing support or guidance if needed. Few AOO committers have already admin priv on the AOO mirror at SourceForge, and if others need to get access it could be granted easily. Hope that helps. Roberto /orcmid Regards, -Rob S. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
On 2015-03-03 00:21, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: On 2015-02-28 23:05, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Rob Weir wrote: It could be even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only) repository, to consult the history of the code base. Isn't this part of Herbert's big git repo with the whole code history that it was possible to reconstruct? Yes, my git repository of the AOO/OOo history [1] also contains the import of the then available latest OOo-SVN repo. The old OOo project only used SVN from 2008 to 2009 and though the SVN repo had imported a few CVS branches the most interesting ones (e.g. all the CVS child-workspace branches where the actual development happened between 2003-2008) were dropped during that import and due to the way things were merged many interesting commit details were dropped too. [...] Any idea why your ZIP is only 2GB, but my dump is 150GB? Even when I zip my svndump file it is still 21GB. So I wonder if I have something different or more than what you have. Or is git really that much more efficient at storing a revision history? Yes, git can be extremely efficient for preserving code history. 99% of my 2GB blob consists of such git pack file. The zip format of my blob is mainly to add missing pieces (e.g. tag names, branch names, mailmap, grafts) and to prepare the directory layout as expected by typical git tools [1]. The zip-compression is quite irrelevant for the blob. Any other directory-preserving container would have been fine, but zip is well known and ubiquitous. [1] https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/InterfacesFrontendsAndTools#Graphical_Interfaces By the way, I just noticed that the historical blob just contains the OOo-CVS, OOo-SVN and OOo-HG histories. If needed the AOO history and maybe the LO history could be added later to get a more complete picture of all the relationships and interactions. Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: On 2015-02-28 23:05, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Rob Weir wrote: It could be even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only) repository, to consult the history of the code base. Isn't this part of Herbert's big git repo with the whole code history that it was possible to reconstruct? Yes, my git repository of the AOO/OOo history [1] also contains the import of the then available latest OOo-SVN repo. The old OOo project only used SVN from 2008 to 2009 and though the SVN repo had imported a few CVS branches the most interesting ones (e.g. all the CVS child-workspace branches where the actual development happened between 2003-2008) were dropped during that import and due to the way things were merged many interesting commit details were dropped too. These interesting parts of the old OOo-CVS history were also recovered and put into my git repo. The 2009-2011 code history in Mercurial and the 2011-2014/01 AOO history are also included. For more details please see my last year's FOSDEM presentation [2]. [1] http://people.apache.org/~hdu/HistOOory_lastest.zip [2] http://people.apache.org/~hdu/HistOOory_Presentation.pdf Any idea why your ZIP is only 2GB, but my dump is 150GB? Even when I zip my svndump file it is still 21GB. So I wonder if I have something different or more than what you have. Or is git really that much more efficient at storing a revision history? Regards. -Rob If it's already there, nice; if not, ideally it should be merged with it. It should already be there, but somebody please check it with some samples. For a more complete history the bit git repo should be updated with the latest AOO progress. And the mercurial import could be redone with hg-hash annotations enabled too. Hope that helps, Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Oh, duh ... @rob, I can send you a 500GB USB drive or even a 1.5TB SATA drive. Not sure what format you could put on it, assuming you run Linux. NTFS is preferable but FAT32 might work on the USB drive. Sometimes there are filename incompatibilities (such as : in filenames in an SVN). If you want a copy, send me your mailing address off list. I can zip it down so it can fit onto a 32GB SD Card, and I have plenty of those. That's probably the economical way of send this. Regards, -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:29 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? orcmid Is the source code in this SVN identified as LGPL, along with any THIRDPARTY notice in the manner that Sun provided those? This strikes me as sufficient to distribute it or house it somewhere. Whether the Computer History Museum would preserve such a thing seems possible, simply in compliance with the licenses that apply to the source. It would be up to their officials whether to do that or not. I have had a couple of contacts there. I will ask about this case. Meanwhile, there are a couple of things we could try to preserve the file(s) off-premise for you. I can provide you with an FTP account and a folder location if you want to try putting it on a web location I have, although I Think installing it as an SVN reload might be best. I'd Have to learn how to bring up SVN there, though. Another way would be to put it on OneDrive. I'm told I have 1TB available. It probably can't go up as a single file, though, and it could be tedious to break up. Other thoughts? /orcmid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
On 2015-02-28 23:05, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Rob Weir wrote: It could be even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only) repository, to consult the history of the code base. Isn't this part of Herbert's big git repo with the whole code history that it was possible to reconstruct? Yes, my git repository of the AOO/OOo history [1] also contains the import of the then available latest OOo-SVN repo. The old OOo project only used SVN from 2008 to 2009 and though the SVN repo had imported a few CVS branches the most interesting ones (e.g. all the CVS child-workspace branches where the actual development happened between 2003-2008) were dropped during that import and due to the way things were merged many interesting commit details were dropped too. These interesting parts of the old OOo-CVS history were also recovered and put into my git repo. The 2009-2011 code history in Mercurial and the 2011-2014/01 AOO history are also included. For more details please see my last year's FOSDEM presentation [2]. [1] http://people.apache.org/~hdu/HistOOory_lastest.zip [2] http://people.apache.org/~hdu/HistOOory_Presentation.pdf If it's already there, nice; if not, ideally it should be merged with it. It should already be there, but somebody please check it with some samples. For a more complete history the bit git repo should be updated with the latest AOO progress. And the mercurial import could be redone with hg-hash annotations enabled too. Hope that helps, Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
These days, it is probably cheaper and safer to split the data onto a couple of 64GB USB Flash drives, or compressed onto a single one. I keep forgetting how economical, and easier to mail, that those have become. Meanwhile, I have put Rob in touch with a participant in collecting material for the Computer History Museum. It seems that there may be a meaningful check with the materials that Herbert Duerr have collected as well. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:51 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? Oh, duh ... @rob, I can send you a 500GB USB drive or even a 1.5TB SATA drive. Not sure what format you could put on it, assuming you run Linux. NTFS is preferable but FAT32 might work on the USB drive. Sometimes there are filename incompatibilities (such as : in filenames in an SVN). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:29 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? orcmid Is the source code in this SVN identified as LGPL, along with any THIRDPARTY notice in the manner that Sun provided those? This strikes me as sufficient to distribute it or house it somewhere. Whether the Computer History Museum would preserve such a thing seems possible, simply in compliance with the licenses that apply to the source. It would be up to their officials whether to do that or not. I have had a couple of contacts there. I will ask about this case. Meanwhile, there are a couple of things we could try to preserve the file(s) off-premise for you. I can provide you with an FTP account and a folder location if you want to try putting it on a web location I have, although I Think installing it as an SVN reload might be best. I'd Have to learn how to bring up SVN there, though. Another way would be to put it on OneDrive. I'm told I have 1TB available. It probably can't go up as a single file, though, and it could be tedious to break up. Other thoughts? /orcmid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: In addition to the other options for preserving the old SVN dumps mentioned in the attachment, it is also possible to supply the files to the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. This will not make them available on-line, but it will preserve them in their catalog and have them available for use by historians and researchers. This is a means of preservation as a backstop to any approach that also provides access but is vulnerable to obsolescence. Although CHM mostly collects gear and papers, they also collect software and have been known to scrape web sites of individuals in order to preserve those and their downloads. (They also collect verbal history through video interviews, such as their series of interviews with Donald Knuth. I believe Grady Booch did their interview with John Backus, and there are doubtless others, such as Sir Tony Hoare.) I'm not clear what protocol is required to make a clean contribution in the case of the OO.o SVN though. I don't claim to have sufficient IP rights to make a formal donation of this code. @Rob: You put in a great effort to make the SVN that was loaded as part of the Oracle grant. Does this include that work or is this something else that you found in the OO.o materials? As I understand it, the OOo source code went through the following systems: 1) Whatever was used at Star Division before Sun bought it 2) The original open source contribution, which apparently used CVS 3) The OOo migration to SVN 4) Later OOo migration to Mercurial 5) Migration to SVN at Apache and git at LO The work I did to get the source code into AOO was to get the tip of the Mercurial tree and check that into Apache's SVN. We were not able to find a way to migrate the Mercurial history. I think what I have here is the SVN from 3) above. In particular I see comments in the dump regarding the initial migration from CVS to SVN. It looks like there already is a Mercurial dump online: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201110.mbox/%3Cj6efbr$utv$1...@dough.gmane.org%3E So the advantage of the older OOo SVN dump would be to extend the revision history back to 2000. Regards, -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 14:11 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? -- replying inline to -- From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:38 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: IMHO this is an invaluable source of our history that we shouldn't loose. I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just AOO. Please save it at a location where it cannot be deleted by accident. So, the best would be indeed somewhere on a server/disk that is controlled/accessible at apache.org. One issue may be licensing, as the work stored on Rob's disk was not the one approved by Oracle to be relicensed for use by Apache. Even if that can be resolved, the image probably also includes portions that were not included in the code identified for relicensing approval. I'm no expert on Apache policies but it seems possible either of those conditions could make the file inappropriate for storage by Apache directly. It is not exactly the syllabic nucleus of the Vulcan language, but it could be useful. If someone can offer a better long-term place for this, please chime in. An SVN dump file is a text file, so I could gzip it down to something a bit smaller, maybe 50 GB. It could be even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only) repository, to consult the history of the code base. I'll hold on to it for now, but note that this is not currently in any controlled data center. It is just sitting at home on a shelf, susceptible to the whims of fire, water, wind, the fates and cats. It would be good to get it under suitable curation. orcmid Three prospects (worst to best?) 1. I just saw mention of an Apache branch on a file-sharing service, not a code repository, but 50GB might be a reach. 2. I have a web hosting service that promises unlimited storage and no bandwidth usage limit (though I think instantaneous bandwidth is limited). They also support CVS, SVN, and GIT, but I think I would have to install the SVN myself. I could easily create an FTP account just for transfer and preservation of that specific content though. Not certain about curation. Just another mirror for preservation purposes. 3. I think SourceForge might be able to swallow
RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
In addition to the other options for preserving the old SVN dumps mentioned in the attachment, it is also possible to supply the files to the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. This will not make them available on-line, but it will preserve them in their catalog and have them available for use by historians and researchers. This is a means of preservation as a backstop to any approach that also provides access but is vulnerable to obsolescence. Although CHM mostly collects gear and papers, they also collect software and have been known to scrape web sites of individuals in order to preserve those and their downloads. (They also collect verbal history through video interviews, such as their series of interviews with Donald Knuth. I believe Grady Booch did their interview with John Backus, and there are doubtless others, such as Sir Tony Hoare.) I'm not clear what protocol is required to make a clean contribution in the case of the OO.o SVN though. @Rob: You put in a great effort to make the SVN that was loaded as part of the Oracle grant. Does this include that work or is this something else that you found in the OO.o materials? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 14:11 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? -- replying inline to -- From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:38 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: IMHO this is an invaluable source of our history that we shouldn't loose. I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just AOO. Please save it at a location where it cannot be deleted by accident. So, the best would be indeed somewhere on a server/disk that is controlled/accessible at apache.org. One issue may be licensing, as the work stored on Rob's disk was not the one approved by Oracle to be relicensed for use by Apache. Even if that can be resolved, the image probably also includes portions that were not included in the code identified for relicensing approval. I'm no expert on Apache policies but it seems possible either of those conditions could make the file inappropriate for storage by Apache directly. It is not exactly the syllabic nucleus of the Vulcan language, but it could be useful. If someone can offer a better long-term place for this, please chime in. An SVN dump file is a text file, so I could gzip it down to something a bit smaller, maybe 50 GB. It could be even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only) repository, to consult the history of the code base. I'll hold on to it for now, but note that this is not currently in any controlled data center. It is just sitting at home on a shelf, susceptible to the whims of fire, water, wind, the fates and cats. It would be good to get it under suitable curation. orcmid Three prospects (worst to best?) 1. I just saw mention of an Apache branch on a file-sharing service, not a code repository, but 50GB might be a reach. 2. I have a web hosting service that promises unlimited storage and no bandwidth usage limit (though I think instantaneous bandwidth is limited). They also support CVS, SVN, and GIT, but I think I would have to install the SVN myself. I could easily create an FTP account just for transfer and preservation of that specific content though. Not certain about curation. Just another mirror for preservation purposes. 3. I think SourceForge might be able to swallow this and set it up as a read-only SVN. Although the Apache Extras there are set up mainly as a download service, there is no reason that it could not have a repo too. This would be perfect so long as it is workable for them. /orcmid Regards, -Rob S. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
Oh, duh ... @rob, I can send you a 500GB USB drive or even a 1.5TB SATA drive. Not sure what format you could put on it, assuming you run Linux. NTFS is preferable but FAT32 might work on the USB drive. Sometimes there are filename incompatibilities (such as : in filenames in an SVN). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:29 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? orcmid Is the source code in this SVN identified as LGPL, along with any THIRDPARTY notice in the manner that Sun provided those? This strikes me as sufficient to distribute it or house it somewhere. Whether the Computer History Museum would preserve such a thing seems possible, simply in compliance with the licenses that apply to the source. It would be up to their officials whether to do that or not. I have had a couple of contacts there. I will ask about this case. Meanwhile, there are a couple of things we could try to preserve the file(s) off-premise for you. I can provide you with an FTP account and a folder location if you want to try putting it on a web location I have, although I Think installing it as an SVN reload might be best. I'd Have to learn how to bring up SVN there, though. Another way would be to put it on OneDrive. I'm told I have 1TB available. It probably can't go up as a single file, though, and it could be tedious to break up. Other thoughts? /orcmid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
-- replying inline to -- From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:38 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: IMHO this is an invaluable source of our history that we shouldn't loose. I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just AOO. Please save it at a location where it cannot be deleted by accident. So, the best would be indeed somewhere on a server/disk that is controlled/accessible at apache.org. One issue may be licensing, as the work stored on Rob's disk was not the one approved by Oracle to be relicensed for use by Apache. Even if that can be resolved, the image probably also includes portions that were not included in the code identified for relicensing approval. I'm no expert on Apache policies but it seems possible either of those conditions could make the file inappropriate for storage by Apache directly. It is not exactly the syllabic nucleus of the Vulcan language, but it could be useful. If someone can offer a better long-term place for this, please chime in. An SVN dump file is a text file, so I could gzip it down to something a bit smaller, maybe 50 GB. It could be even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only) repository, to consult the history of the code base. I'll hold on to it for now, but note that this is not currently in any controlled data center. It is just sitting at home on a shelf, susceptible to the whims of fire, water, wind, the fates and cats. It would be good to get it under suitable curation. orcmid Three prospects (worst to best?) 1. I just saw mention of an Apache branch on a file-sharing service, not a code repository, but 50GB might be a reach. 2. I have a web hosting service that promises unlimited storage and no bandwidth usage limit (though I think instantaneous bandwidth is limited). They also support CVS, SVN, and GIT, but I think I would have to install the SVN myself. I could easily create an FTP account just for transfer and preservation of that specific content though. Not certain about curation. Just another mirror for preservation purposes. 3. I think SourceForge might be able to swallow this and set it up as a read-only SVN. Although the Apache Extras there are set up mainly as a download service, there is no reason that it could not have a repo too. This would be perfect so long as it is workable for them. /orcmid Regards, -Rob S. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
Rob Weir wrote: It could be even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only) repository, to consult the history of the code base. Isn't this part of Herbert's big git repo with the whole code history that it was possible to reconstruct? http://markmail.org/message/wsb7hurdrnzo6lyw If it's already there, nice; if not, ideally it should be merged with it. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
Hi Rob, Rob Weir schrieb: I was cleaning up my office at home and I found an old external harddrive with some SVN dumps on them. One, at around 150 GB, is a dump of the legacy http://svn.services.openoffice.org/ooo It looks like OOo used SVN before Mercurial, and this has file history from the migration from CVS to SVN in September 2000, if I'm reading this correctly. The other dump is of DMake, 67MB. That might be a filtered version of the above. Note: these are the complete SVN dumps, not just an extract of the tip.If anyone thinks we should preserve this, let me know. Otherwise I'll reclaim the drive for other uses. I want that it is preserved. You cannot find even a simple source for older versions in the web. The oldest source version I have got is for an OOo1.1.5. And the size of 150GB for your dump is small nowadays. Can you put it somewhere on apache.org? Kind regards Regina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
Am 02/28/2015 07:48 PM, schrieb Regina Henschel: Hi Rob, Rob Weir schrieb: I was cleaning up my office at home and I found an old external harddrive with some SVN dumps on them. One, at around 150 GB, is a dump of the legacy http://svn.services.openoffice.org/ooo It looks like OOo used SVN before Mercurial, and this has file history from the migration from CVS to SVN in September 2000, if I'm reading this correctly. The other dump is of DMake, 67MB. That might be a filtered version of the above. Note: these are the complete SVN dumps, not just an extract of the tip. If anyone thinks we should preserve this, let me know. Otherwise I'll reclaim the drive for other uses. I want that it is preserved. You cannot find even a simple source for older versions in the web. The oldest source version I have got is for an OOo1.1.5. And the size of 150GB for your dump is small nowadays. Can you put it somewhere on apache.org? +1 IMHO this is an invaluable source of our history that we shouldn't loose. Please save it at a location where it cannot be deleted by accident. So, the best would be indeed somewhere on a server/disk that is controlled/accessible at apache.org. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: IMHO this is an invaluable source of our history that we shouldn't loose. I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just AOO. Please save it at a location where it cannot be deleted by accident. So, the best would be indeed somewhere on a server/disk that is controlled/accessible at apache.org. One issue may be licensing, as the work stored on Rob's disk was not the one approved by Oracle to be relicensed for use by Apache. Even if that can be resolved, the image probably also includes portions that were not included in the code identified for relicensing approval. I'm no expert on Apache policies but it seems possible either of those conditions could make the file inappropriate for storage by Apache directly. It is not exactly the syllabic nucleus of the Vulcan language, but it could be useful. If someone can offer a better long-term place for this, please chime in. An SVN dump file is a text file, so I could gzip it down to something a bit smaller, maybe 50 GB. It could be even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only) repository, to consult the history of the code base. I'll hold on to it for now, but note that this is not currently in any controlled data center. It is just sitting at home on a shelf, susceptible to the whims of fire, water, wind, the fates and cats. It would be good to get it under suitable curation. Regards, -Rob S. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: IMHO this is an invaluable source of our history that we shouldn't loose. I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just AOO. Please save it at a location where it cannot be deleted by accident. So, the best would be indeed somewhere on a server/disk that is controlled/accessible at apache.org. One issue may be licensing, as the work stored on Rob's disk was not the one approved by Oracle to be relicensed for use by Apache. Even if that can be resolved, the image probably also includes portions that were not included in the code identified for relicensing approval. I'm no expert on Apache policies but it seems possible either of those conditions could make the file inappropriate for storage by Apache directly. S.
