Re: [digitalradio] Re: What's with Boulder?
Aha! You said it. I looked up the WWV Time Codes at http://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvtimecode.htm and it shows DST indicator #2 and DST indicator #1 as part of the code stream. When I used to build my own LED readout station clock that used WWVB time codes, those bits were not there. Hi Hi (That was in 1974, if I remember correctly). 73, Chuck/AA5J EOT At 09:43 PM 3/11/2007, jgorman01 wrote: My atomic clock changed right on time. I would have to look at the manual, but the clock itself may have the software for DST. However, WWV/B would have to put out a bit that says DST for the clock to have known to change. My clock does have time zone settings incorporated into the software. I had to set that up initially. Jim WA0LYK --- In mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.comdigitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Mayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait! WWV and WWVB transmit UTC time codes. There is absolutely no way for either station to 'know' in which time zone your atomic clock is located. So How could they correct time for DST??? Enlighten me please 73, Chuck/AA5J At 09:00 PM 3/11/2007, Les Warriner wrote: Whoops. Yes, they do correct time for DST and standard time. My clocks, atomic clock controlled, changed at 1 AM EDT by gaining an hour. My UTC clock did not change - thankfully!!! At 04:45 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: Hello There, WWV has always gone by UTC. UTC has no Daylight Savings Time period. They have leap seconds once in awhile. 73 Gary WB6BNE - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Walt DuBose To: mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.commailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.comdigitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] What's with Boulder? Andrew O'Brien wrote: Hmm, not really ham radio related but my atomic clock just leap forward an hour at 11.30PM Eastern Time (USA). Did WWV not have the patience to wait until the official date and time ? It changes at sometime after midnight UCT. Walt/K5YFW No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: What's with Boulder?
My 4 or so clocks have grudgingly changed over...It is also up to the band conditions whether or not you get a good enough signal... Gary On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:57:03 -0700 John Gleichweit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I didn't get a signal at all, and none of the 3 WWVB clocks changed. Hopefully I'll get a signal tonight, and everything will be fixed. jgorman01 wrote: My atomic clock changed right on time. I would have to look at the manual, but the clock itself may have the software for DST. However, WWV/B would have to put out a bit that says DST for the clock to have known to change. My clock does have time zone settings incorporated into the software. I had to set that up initially. Jim WA0LYK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Mayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait! WWV and WWVB transmit UTC time codes. There is absolutely no way for either station to 'know' in which time zone your atomic clock is located. So How could they correct time for DST??? Enlighten me please 73, Chuck/AA5J At 09:00 PM 3/11/2007, Les Warriner wrote: Whoops. Yes, they do correct time for DST and standard time. My clocks, atomic clock controlled, changed at 1 AM EDT by gaining an hour. My UTC clock did not change - thankfully!!! At 04:45 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: Hello There, WWV has always gone by UTC. UTC has no Daylight Savings Time period. They have leap seconds once in awhile. 73 Gary WB6BNE - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Walt DuBose To: mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.comdigitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] What's with Boulder? Andrew O'Brien wrote: Hmm, not really ham radio related but my atomic clock just leap forward an hour at 11.30PM Eastern Time (USA). Did WWV not have the patience to wait until the official date and time ? It changes at sometime after midnight UCT. Walt/K5YFW No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Our other groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- John Smokey Behr Gleichweit FF1/EMT, CCNA, MCSE IPN-CAL023 N6FOG UP Fresno Sub MP183.5 ECV1852 List Owner x6, Moderator x5 CA-OES 51-507 http://smokeybehr.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/smokeybehr Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~- Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Our other groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: What's with Boulder?
Initially, I was thinking that the clock had the software to determine the change in daylight time and I think my La Crosse Technologies Clocks and my other atomic clock has a setting for this. But here in the U.S., didn't they change the DST data change? So, if the clocks changed accordingly, then it means that some kind of signal had to be sent. And two of my clocks changed. One clock did not change, but that is because I have it here in the shack and it is set to UTC:) The L.T. clocks are very nice units as they do a number of things, including remote detection of the temperature, relative air pressure (up or down), etc. And you can use one outdoor sensor for both clocks to detect. I have no idea how something like this can be sold for such a low price ($30, I think it was at Wal-Mart) and that includes an outdoor sensor for that price. Needless to say, I have a spare sensor if anything happens to the currently use one. They worked very well through this winter which is much better than when I had a much more expensive Radio Shack indoor/outdoor thermometer that never worked well at all. To put this in perspective, when I was growing up, it would have been total fantasy to suggest that someday there would be such a product and it would be sold for $5 (in 1950's prices). 73, Rick, KV9U jgorman01 wrote: My atomic clock changed right on time. I would have to look at the manual, but the clock itself may have the software for DST. However, WWV/B would have to put out a bit that says DST for the clock to have known to change. My clock does have time zone settings incorporated into the software. I had to set that up initially. Jim WA0LYK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Mayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait! WWV and WWVB transmit UTC time codes. There is absolutely no way for either station to 'know' in which time zone your atomic clock is located. So How could they correct time for DST??? Enlighten me please 73, Chuck/AA5J At 09:00 PM 3/11/2007, Les Warriner wrote: Whoops. Yes, they do correct time for DST and standard time. My clocks, atomic clock controlled, changed at 1 AM EDT by gaining an hour. My UTC clock did not change - thankfully!!! At 04:45 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: Hello There, WWV has always gone by UTC. UTC has no Daylight Savings Time period. They have leap seconds once in awhile. 73 Gary WB6BNE - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Walt DuBose To: mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.comdigitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] What's with Boulder? Andrew O'Brien wrote: Hmm, not really ham radio related but my atomic clock just leap forward an hour at 11.30PM Eastern Time (USA). Did WWV not have the patience to wait until the official date and time ? It changes at sometime after midnight UCT. Walt/K5YFW No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Our other groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] What's with Boulder?
For what's it's worth - I have 3 of these clocks, 2 cheap and one real good one. All 3 reset and different times. The good one will open the receiver at 2am local time and then 3 and 4 if the 2am signal is misses. Same for my Casio watch - 2, 3 and 4. Last night the watch up dated at 4:04 but most of the times it's 2:00 to 2:04..
RE: [digitalradio] Re: What's with Boulder?
I have no idea how something like this can be sold for such a low price ($30, I think it was at Wal-Mart) Because they use Chinese prison labor to build them, probably. That's just ONE reason I don't shop at Walmart. But I certainly agree on the other aspects of your post -- These gadgets are amazing. de Peter K1PGV
Re: [digitalradio] Re: What's with Boulder?
Peter, A bit over the top for most reasonable folks. The majority of Americans shop at Wal-Mart except maybe a few on the fringe or extreme upper income. We shop at War-Mart because of the convenience of having everything in one place, even in a rural area where I live. Without them, I would be paying 20 to 30% more for many of our groceries and other products, or we would have to drive 40+ miles to La Crosse to find similar discounted prices. Not to mention being open 24/7 which was not available to us in the past. The La Crosse Technology products are distributed by the next door neighbor to a nearby ham acquaintance. They live just across the Mississippi River from La Crosse. You can buy La Crosse Technologies products from many sources. You are welcome to pay an additional $10 that you can expect to pay at full price stores or pay a lower price at a discount source of which Wal-Mart is only one. The point is that there is a lot of technology that goes into this kind of equipment, has a nice appearance, huge digital readout for even those of us somewhat sight impaired, remote sensor, etc. To call those in another country, slaves, does a disservice on an international group such as ours, and is also factually untrue. The standard of living continues to increase at a double digit rate in China although perhaps not quite as fast as it has been increasing the last decade or two. KV9U Peter G. Viscarola wrote: I have no idea how something like this can be sold for such a low price ($30, I think it was at Wal-Mart) Because they use Chinese prison labor to build them, probably. That's just ONE reason I don't shop at Walmart. But I certainly agree on the other aspects of your post -- These gadgets are amazing. de Peter K1PGV
Re: [digitalradio] Re :bad PSK transmissions
I completely agree with this, when I first got my ticket, I would call CQ on the local repeaters, and of course I identified myself every 30 seconds just to be sure. Someone told me, you don't need to call CQ and people snicker when Noobs do it. I was embarrassed but was happy to know how to conduct myself in for the future. Also this past weekend I was told that my signal was QSB while using PSK31. This is the first time I ever got a report like this and at first I freaked out. But I was still happy to hear that something might be wrong. Looking at it I think I might be over driving my radio. My point is that most people are happy to hear about issues and would prefer to be told by a fellow Ham then the FCC. K6WRJ - Original Message - From: Mel To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re :bad PSK transmissions Regarding the comments on poor quality PSK transmissions, rather than hoping there are observers, who on seeing such a terrible misdemeanour as a wide overdriven transmission,who will instantly issue a Pink Slip, why not contact the operator yourself? In days past, if a signal was rotten someone would contact him and say I called you because your signal is very wide Old Man, sorry to have to tell you but you are splattering all over the band, and my jolly old chums are getting a wee bit hairy about it, hope you don't mind The offending chap would apologise profusely, hope that he hadn't caused too much of a bother, and then disappear to check out what the problem is. Sounds simple enough to me. Kind regards, Mel G0GQK *** Warning: This email may contain confidential or privileged information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please understand that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this email is strictly prohibited. ***
Re: [digitalradio] Re: What's with Boulder?
On Mar 12, 2007, at 6:57 AM, kv9u wrote: detect. I have no idea how something like this can be sold for such a low price ($30, I think it was at Wal-Mart) and that includes an outdoor sensor for that price. Needless to say, I have a spare sensor if I only have 1 atomic/WWV clock here and I bought it a couple years ago at CVS when they opened some stores and had special coupons for any purchase. I got it for practically nothing after the coupons, $5 I am sure. It is not especially fancy, but has time/date and indoor temperature. In amateur radio, I think, the market is fairly small and sometimes prices reflect it. In retail, special promotions, loss leaders etc can provide some bargains for related items that are general consumer products. I don't think it always has to be slave labor, etc to get a good bargain from time to time. -- Brian -- http://users.wildblue.net/k7on/ Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.
Re: [digitalradio] Re :bad PSK transmissions
Hi Guys (and Gals) With regard to Bad PSK signals, will this be affected if the TX station is close by? A normal SSB station close by will generate a wide signal if close by. Why I ask. Yesterday, while tuning around I found 2 strong signals in the waterfall, and one could see the main signal, and then 2 spurries either side. I was able to decode the PSK without any problems. The waterfall was thick in display, showing the signal was strong. I even listened to the received signal, and it sounded okay. IMD was around -25dB Both stations were close, like within 1200kms, one in ZL7 (a portable KH station) and the other a VK4. I am in ZL1, just south of Auckland, NZ. All the other signals in the waterfall looked good, and they were JA's, RU's, and some European. So what is a good PSK signal? And in saying that how would I know if mine is running correctly? I run about 40-50 watts into a Kenwood TS-480S/AT, and have used my ear to determine the TX audio. I have not had any complaints about it. So if you see my callsign, and it's too wide please let me know what's wrong. Regards Kevin, ZL1KFM. PS: 20mtrs has been very quiet down here, I am looking to try out some HamPAL Digital SSTV on 14.233Mhz sometime. Get Skype and call me for free. - Original Message - From: James Wilson To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re :bad PSK transmissions I completely agree with this, when I first got my ticket, I would call CQ on the local repeaters, and of course I identified myself every 30 seconds just to be sure. Someone told me, you don't need to call CQ and people snicker when Noobs do it. I was embarrassed but was happy to know how to conduct myself in for the future. Also this past weekend I was told that my signal was QSB while using PSK31. This is the first time I ever got a report like this and at first I freaked out. But I was still happy to hear that something might be wrong. Looking at it I think I might be over driving my radio. My point is that most people are happy to hear about issues and would prefer to be told by a fellow Ham then the FCC. K6WRJ - Original Message - From: Mel To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re :bad PSK transmissions Regarding the comments on poor quality PSK transmissions, rather than hoping there are observers, who on seeing such a terrible misdemeanour as a wide overdriven transmission,who will instantly issue a Pink Slip, why not contact the operator yourself? In days past, if a signal was rotten someone would contact him and say I called you because your signal is very wide Old Man, sorry to have to tell you but you are splattering all over the band, and my jolly old chums are getting a wee bit hairy about it, hope you don't mind The offending chap would apologise profusely, hope that he hadn't caused too much of a bother, and then disappear to check out what the problem is. Sounds simple enough to me. Kind regards, Mel G0GQK *** Warning: This email may contain confidential or privileged information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please understand that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this email is strictly prohibited. *** sparc_nz Description: Binary data
Re: [digitalradio] Re :bad PSK transmissions
hi Kevin; FYI on the 480SAT, if you just get the ALC showing one bar on tx, your signal is darn good. much more and it starts to overdrive I notice that when I change modes and power levels with the 480, I have to adjust the audio sometimes. I run 40w PSK and 95 Watts on Olivia etc etc, and the great cooling system keeps everything purring along John VE5MU - Original Message - From: Kevin Natalia To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re :bad PSK transmissions Hi Guys (and Gals) With regard to Bad PSK signals, will this be affected if the TX station is close by? A normal SSB station close by will generate a wide signal if close by. Why I ask. Yesterday, while tuning around I found 2 strong signals in the waterfall, and one could see the main signal, and then 2 spurries either side. I was able to decode the PSK without any problems. The waterfall was thick in display, showing the signal was strong. I even listened to the received signal, and it sounded okay. IMD was around -25dB Both stations were close, like within 1200kms, one in ZL7 (a portable KH station) and the other a VK4. I am in ZL1, just south of Auckland, NZ. All the other signals in the waterfall looked good, and they were JA's, RU's, and some European. So what is a good PSK signal? And in saying that how would I know if mine is running correctly? I run about 40-50 watts into a Kenwood TS-480S/AT, and have used my ear to determine the TX audio. I have not had any complaints about it. So if you see my callsign, and it's too wide please let me know what's wrong. Regards Kevin, ZL1KFM. PS: 20mtrs has been very quiet down here, I am looking to try out some HamPAL Digital SSTV on 14.233Mhz sometime. Get Skype and call me for free. - Original Message - From: James Wilson To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re :bad PSK transmissions I completely agree with this, when I first got my ticket, I would call CQ on the local repeaters, and of course I identified myself every 30 seconds just to be sure. Someone told me, you don't need to call CQ and people snicker when Noobs do it. I was embarrassed but was happy to know how to conduct myself in for the future. Also this past weekend I was told that my signal was QSB while using PSK31. This is the first time I ever got a report like this and at first I freaked out. But I was still happy to hear that something might be wrong. Looking at it I think I might be over driving my radio. My point is that most people are happy to hear about issues and would prefer to be told by a fellow Ham then the FCC. K6WRJ - Original Message - From: Mel To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re :bad PSK transmissions Regarding the comments on poor quality PSK transmissions, rather than hoping there are observers, who on seeing such a terrible misdemeanour as a wide overdriven transmission,who will instantly issue a Pink Slip, why not contact the operator yourself? In days past, if a signal was rotten someone would contact him and say I called you because your signal is very wide Old Man, sorry to have to tell you but you are splattering all over the band, and my jolly old chums are getting a wee bit hairy about it, hope you don't mind The offending chap would apologise profusely, hope that he hadn't caused too much of a bother, and then disappear to check out what the problem is. Sounds simple enough to me. Kind regards, Mel G0GQK *** Warning: This email may contain confidential or privileged information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please understand that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this email is strictly prohibited. *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.9/719 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 8:41 AM sparc_nz Description: Binary data
