Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Update on Calc Guide

2020-11-05 Thread Dave Barton
Hi Martin,

This was "briefly" discussed at today's Docs meeting.

"Briefly", because some recent attempts to use the odtclean script have
failed and it was agreed that Oliver will contact Milos about this issue.

Be assured we (The Docs Team) always take into account that the guides
must be made available in a translatable format. However, you must  also
understand that the Calc Guide is currently still "work in progress" and
has not yet reached it's fully "Published" state.

Best Regards
Dave

On 05/11/2020 19:14, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> could this guide's chapters - as well as other guides' chapters upon being
> finished - be cleaned with the odtclean script my Milos to remove unwanted
> formatting code and help l10n teams?
> 
> I suggest this becoming a part of the official procedure, as documented in
> the guide for writing guides (Producing LO Guides): I suggest adding a
> point/step in the "Publishing Chapters" subchapter (between points 7 and 8).
> 
> Lp, m.
> 
> V V čet., 5. nov. 2020 ob 05:38 je oseba Felipe Viggiano <
> felipeviggi...@gmail.com> napisala:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Just uploaded the newest version of the Calc 7.0 Guide on the Published
>> Folder.
>> All the chapters and the compiled version were updated with Jeans's
>> comments and some more corrections.
>>
>> I'm planning to upload the .pdf files from each chapter by tomorrow.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Felipe Viggiano
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Update on Calc Guide

2020-11-05 Thread Dave Barton
Can I add the same thanks and appreciation expressed by Steve.

Please let me know when the final publication is approved and I will
update the wiki published download files.

Best Regards
Dave

On 05/11/2020 18:39, Steve Fanning wrote:
> Hi Felipe,
> 
> Excellent job, thank you very much.
> 
> I have had a look through about 50% of the document and spotted a few
> minor typos. I haven't got time to finish today (UK time) but will do so
> tomorrow. Can you wait for those comments before publishing?
> 
> One problem which may be more than a typo is that the links to page
> numbers within the text don't seem to land at the correct page. For
> example, towards the top of page 22 is a link to page 41; for me
> clicking the link takes me to the bottom of page 39. On page 82 is a
> link to "Figure 43 on page 70"; in this case clicking on the figure
> number takes you to the correct place while clicking on the page number
> lands on page 66.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> On 05/11/2020 04:38, Felipe Viggiano wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Just uploaded the newest version of the Calc 7.0 Guide on the Published
>> Folder.
>> All the chapters and the compiled version were updated with Jeans's
>> comments and some more corrections.
>>
>> I'm planning to upload the .pdf files from each chapter by tomorrow.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Felipe Viggiano
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Update on Calc Guide

2020-11-06 Thread Dave Barton
On 06/11/2020 00:05, Felipe Viggiano wrote:
> Dave,
> As soon as I can fix every issue pointed I will surely let you know.
> 
> One question to the group:
> I'm using the Published folder for the files, should I move to the Draft
> folder and put back on Published only after finishing?
> 
> Best regards,
> Felipe Viggiano

Hi Felipe,

The current Calc Guide 7.0 NextCloud workspace is the only one which
still has the "Draft" and "Feedback" folders. The other mainstream 7.0
guides have been moved over to the new simplified workflow. I did
consider changing the Calc Guide 7.0 folder structure, but since there
were a number of people actively working on that guide it seemed best to
leave structure alone and avoid possible disruption or confusion.

I see that Steve has given you a few points to consider before moving to
final publication, so I suggest you move copies of all the odt chapter
files and compiled books back into the "Feedback" folder until you are
fully satisfied that the guide is ready for final publication and then
move all the finished content over to the "Published" folder.

The reason I suggest keeping the "Published" folder empty for now, is
that some native language projects look to that folder for files on
which to base the translation or adaptation into their language.

Your choice, but I would also suggest the 3 files currently sitting in
the "Feedback" be moved to the "Archive" folder.

Regards
Dave


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Producing guides - add a "Cleaned" directory

2020-12-28 Thread Dave Barton
Attempting to install the oxt in LO 7.0.4.2 (x64) and 6.4.7.2 (x86) on
Win10  generates the following error:

(com.sun.star.lang.WrappedTargetRuntimeException) { { { Message = "Bad
Zip File, ZipException: Zip END signature not found!", Context =
(com.sun.star.uno.XInterface) @1d35768a930 (ImplementationName =
"com.sun.star.packages.comp.ZipPackage") } }, TargetException = (any) {
(com.sun.star.packages.zip.ZipIOException) { { { Message = "Bad Zip
File, ZipException: Zip END signature not found!", Context =
(com.sun.star.uno.XInterface) @1d35768a930 (ImplementationName =
"com.sun.star.packages.comp.ZipPackage") } } } } }

Strangely it installs in AOO 4.1.8 without any error.

Dave

On 28/12/2020 16:34, Milos Sramek wrote:
> Hi Olivier and all,
> now that CG70 and MG70 are published I have cleaned the documents
> manually and by the script. You can find the archives in
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Shared/SK%20community/Cleaned=322834
> 
> I suggest to replace the chapter files in the Published directory by
> their cleaned versions without producing the full odt and pdf book.
> Thus, the next version will start from the cleaned document.
> If you agree, I will replace them.
> 
> I've created a simple extension, which highlights the character styles
> used in the guides:
> https://github.com/milossramek/translation-scripts/tree/master/odtclean
> https://github.com/milossramek/translation-scripts/blob/master/odtclean/LOGuidesStyles.oxt
> 
> If highlighted, an author can see if styles are really used instead of
> direct formatting - in that case additional manual cleaning would not be
> necessary and it would be sufficient only to run the script. I suggest
> then to produce the cleaned files after publishing the guide.
> 
> To summarize, I suggest to include two additional steps to the Producing
> LO Guides document
> - for authors: use the extension and use the character styles consistently
> - for a specific person (me for now): to run the script after publishing
> the guide and to replace the chapter files in the published directory
> 
> Milos
> 
> On 12/17/20 8:55 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote:
>> Hi Milos, All
>>
>> Em 17/12/2020 16:41, Milos Sramek escreveu:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I suggest to include file cleaning in the workflow. In cleaning one
>>> removes direct formatting, which is necessary for translation. Currently
>>> I do that after a guide is published - the cleaned files can be found
>>> here: 
>>>
>>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/SK%20community/Cleaned
>>>
>>> The current problem is that nobody knows about them and a new version of
>>> a guide starts from an uncleaned version in the Published and thus I
>>> have to repeat the laborious manual cleaning part again an again.
>> BTW, last time I tried odtclean.py in my Linux box it failed, something
>> related to python version. Actually, is it still of use?
>>
>>> My suggestion is to add another step after step 7 in the "How to publish
>>> a chapter" section (page 15, 2 - Producing LO Guides.odt): a "Cleaned"
>>> directory, the contents of which will then be used to start a next
>>> version of the guide. I will then produce the cleaned files.
>>>
>> I think the cleaned files should be the published files. In other words,
>> only publish cleaned files.
>>
>> Olivier
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki [Correction]

2020-12-31 Thread Dave Barton

Original sentence: "While the extension still works perfectly for me,
others have reported that they have issues, possibly related to their
choice,"

Should have read: "While the extension still works perfectly for me,
others have reported that they have issues, possibly related to their
choice _of_ _operating_ _system_,"

Dave


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki

2020-12-31 Thread Dave Barton
Hi Rob,

I am in the middle of preparing a detailed answer to your original post
and I will post shortly.

Regards
Dave

On 31/12/2020 09:29, Rob Westein wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> I've found the extention in the "Contributor Resources > Other
> Resources" Folder on NextCloud. So I assumed this was used to apply the
> new chapter template.
> 
> /Rob
> 
> On 31-12-2020 10:12, Peter Schofield wrote:
>> Hello Rob
>>
>> I find that creating a new document from the template is accurate
>> using copy and paste as it gives good control on what happens.
>> I have not used the extension Template Change and did not know that
>> there was one. However, I will run a test to see which is better.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Schofield
>> psaut...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 31 Dec 2020, at 09:56, Rob Westein  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Indeed, it is confusing...
>>> How to apply the latest template to an Revised Chapter? Should I use
>>> the the Extension "Template Changer" or create a new document with
>>> the latest chapter template and copy all info from old document to
>>> the new one?
>>>
>>> On the Wiki or in the Contributor ODT files this info could not be
>>> found.
>>>
>>> One other thing that bothers me is the inconsequence usage of
>>> screenshots... today I can see in one chapter that screenshots are
>>> produced by several users using several different OS.
>>>
>>> Is it possible that when the development or revision of a book starts
>>> it is decided which OS is used to produce the screenshots? It gives a
>>> more professional and consistent look.
>>>
>>> /Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31-12-2020 01:13, Jean Weber wrote:
>>>> Hi team,
>>>> I was poking around the Docs section of the wiki looking up info and
>>>> following links, and I discovered there’s still a lot of out-of-date
>>>> info
>>>> on pages linked to up-to-date pages. No wonder newcomers often get
>>>> confused. I don’t know how much energy I have for tracking down and
>>>> fixing
>>>> problems, and I know that others have been doing the same, but there
>>>> is so
>>>> much of it.
>>>>
>>>> Jean
>>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki

2020-12-31 Thread Dave Barton
Hi Rob,

I mentioned to you previously that the contributor guide documentation
is in a state of flux and what you currently read there should not be taken
as absolute fact.

At the docs team meeting on Oct 31st 2018 it was agreed that in future
screen captures for the guides would be taken from Windows 10. In fact I
offered to make the screen captures for any contributor who either
didn't have Windows 10, or wasn't able to make them. Unfortunately, this
was never adhered to and we continue to have an inconsistent variety of
captures. Maybe this would be the time to reach team consensus on this
issue and document it in the contributors guide.

For an number of different reasons the "Template Changer" extension has
pretty much been abandoned/ignored. Mainly because it is no longer being
developed/supported. While the extension still works perfectly for me,
others have reported that they have issues, possibly related to their
choice, There are 2 methods for applying a template to an existing document:
1. See "Associating a document with a different template" page 224 of
the 6.4 Writer Guide.
2. See "Creating and modifying styles" page 182 of the 6.4 Writer Guide.
The second option allows you to choose between a template stored in your
local templates, or from a file in a different location.
If you don't already have a copy of the 6.4 Writer Guide, download from:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/a/a4/WG64-WriterGuide.pdf

Regards
Dave


On 31/12/2020 08:56, Rob Westein wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Indeed, it is confusing...
> How to apply the latest template to an Revised Chapter? Should I use the
> the Extension "Template Changer" or create a new document with the
> latest chapter template and copy all info from old document to the new one?
> 
> On the Wiki or in the Contributor ODT files this info could not be found.
> 
> One other thing that bothers me is the inconsequence usage of
> screenshots... today I can see in one chapter that screenshots are
> produced by several users using several different OS.
> 
> Is it possible that when the development or revision of a book starts it
> is decided which OS is used to produce the screenshots? It gives a more
> professional and consistent look.
> 
> /Rob
> 
> 
> On 31-12-2020 01:13, Jean Weber wrote:
>> Hi team,
>> I was poking around the Docs section of the wiki looking up info and
>> following links, and I discovered there’s still a lot of out-of-date info
>> on pages linked to up-to-date pages. No wonder newcomers often get
>> confused. I don’t know how much energy I have for tracking down and
>> fixing
>> problems, and I know that others have been doing the same, but there
>> is so
>> much of it.
>>
>> Jean
>>


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Individual Chapters

2020-12-31 Thread Dave Barton
On 31/12/2020 10:13, Peter Schofield wrote:
> Can someone tell me where I can download the individual chapters for each 
> user guide on the LO website?
> 
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com

Hi Peter,

They are not on the website. You will find them on the wiki:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications

Regards
Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] GS7008 Base

2021-01-10 Thread Dave Barton

Rob, please do not change the template as this breaks the structure of
the book when it comes time to publish the final book.

Maybe you can explain why you feel it is necessary to change the
template we all work with.

Dave

On 10/01/2021 09:19, Rob Westein wrote:
> Hi Jean,
> 
> Did not have time for it.
> I also have to change the template... will do some work on it today.
> I will let you know about the progress.
> 
> /Rob
> 
> On 09-01-2021 05:35, Jean Weber wrote:
>> Hi Rob,
>> How are you going with the images in this chapter?
>> Thanks!
>> Jean
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 10:29 PM Rob Westein  wrote:
>>> Hi Jean,
>>>
>>> OK, I will return the document next Friday or sooner.
>>> /Rob
>>>
>>> On 28-12-2020 21:06, Jean Weber wrote:
>>>> Rob,
>>>> If you can replace the poor quality images quickly, that would be
>>>> great.
>>>> Fixing the difference in icon sets is IMO less urgent because many
>>>> other
>>>> chapters are also inconsistent, but still worth doing. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Jean
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 at 21:10 Rob Westein  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've updated the 6.4 Base guide to 7.0. Uploaded file
>>>>> GS7008-GettingStartedWithBase_01-RW.odt to the "Work In Progress
>>>>> folder".
>>>>>
>>>>> No big changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing I'm worried about are the images used in the guide. The
>>>>> images vary in quality and several icon sets are used throughout the
>>>>> Guide
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think: should I replace them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] GS7008 Base

2021-01-10 Thread Dave Barton
Hi Rob,

Sorry for my misunderstanding. I thought you were saying you wanted to
change the documentation template, when in fact you wanted to _APPLY_
the template to the chapter you were working on.

Regards
Dave

On 10/01/2021 10:00, Rob Westein wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Copy/paste:
> 
> On 30-12-2020 14:45, Rafael Lima wrote:
> Hi Rob!
> 
> I was taking a look at the GS7008-GettingStartedWithBase_01-RW.odt file and
> it seems you have not updated the template and the version numbers in the
> File Properties fields. You also have to update the list of contributors'
> names.
> 
> The new template is in the following Nextcloud folder:
> /English/Contributor Resources/LibreOffice_7.x_Template.ott
> 
> 
> 
> Now I'm really confused!
> 
> /Rob
> 
> 
> On 10-01-2021 10:39, Dave Barton wrote:
>> Rob, please do not change the template as this breaks the structure of
>> the book when it comes time to publish the final book.
>>
>> Maybe you can explain why you feel it is necessary to change the
>> template we all work with.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 10/01/2021 09:19, Rob Westein wrote:
>>> Hi Jean,
>>>
>>> Did not have time for it.
>>> I also have to change the template... will do some work on it today.
>>> I will let you know about the progress.
>>>
>>> /Rob
>>>
>>> On 09-01-2021 05:35, Jean Weber wrote:
>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>> How are you going with the images in this chapter?
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Jean
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 10:29 PM Rob Westein 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jean,
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, I will return the document next Friday or sooner.
>>>>> /Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28-12-2020 21:06, Jean Weber wrote:
>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>> If you can replace the poor quality images quickly, that would be
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>> Fixing the difference in icon sets is IMO less urgent because many
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> chapters are also inconsistent, but still worth doing. Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jean
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 at 21:10 Rob Westein  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've updated the 6.4 Base guide to 7.0. Uploaded file
>>>>>>> GS7008-GettingStartedWithBase_01-RW.odt to the "Work In Progress
>>>>>>> folder".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No big changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only thing I'm worried about are the images used in the
>>>>>>> guide. The
>>>>>>> images vary in quality and several icon sets are used throughout the
>>>>>>> Guide
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think: should I replace them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>
>>


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Metadata Loss LO 7.1.0.2

2021-01-21 Thread Dave Barton
Sorry, I meant to send this to the users list.

*From:* Dave Barton [mailto:da...@libreoffice.org]
*Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2021, 12:50 UTC
*To:* LibreOffice Documentation
*Subject:* [libreoffice-documentation] Metadata Loss LO 7.1.0.2

>
> Version: 7.1.0.2 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
> Build ID: 53d68d29d90fd16448721a60aad68c28ff0809f5
> CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Raster;
> VCL: win
> Locale: en-US (en_US); UI-Language: en-US
> Calc: threaded
>
> Before raising a bug report I would like to know if anyone else is
> seeing this issue:
>
> * Normally when a new document is created in Writer the Document
> Properties Title field is automatically filled with the name of the
> template (eg. Default) upon which the document is based.
>
> * Changing the Document Properties Title field in a new or existing
> document blanks the field in the saved file.
>
> * Opening the saved file in any other version of LO restores the field
> lost in version 7.1.0.2
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Metadata Loss LO 7.1.0.2

2021-01-21 Thread Dave Barton
On 21/01/2021 12:59, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
> On 21.1.2021 14.50, Dave Barton wrote:
>> Version: 7.1.0.2 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
>> Build ID: 53d68d29d90fd16448721a60aad68c28ff0809f5
>> CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Raster;
>> VCL: win
>> Locale: en-US (en_US); UI-Language: en-US
>> Calc: threaded
>>
>> Before raising a bug report I would like to know if anyone else is
>> seeing this issue:
>>
>> * Normally when a new document is created in Writer the Document
>> Properties Title field is automatically filled with the name of the
>> template (eg. Default) upon which the document is based.
>>
>> * Changing the Document Properties Title field in a new or existing
>> document blanks the field in the saved file.
>>
>> * Opening the saved file in any other version of LO restores the field
>> lost in version 7.1.0.2
> 
> Are you sure you are getting "Default" in the title? I only get a
> pre-filled title with some template like Modern business letter. Works
> fine with 7.2 at least.
> 
> Ilmari

Yes I get "Default" in the title field with 7.0.4.2 (x64) and all 6.x
versions, but that is down to my profile, otherwise I get the same as you.

The real issue is that 7.1.0.2 anything entered in the title field of a
new or existing document is lost (more accurately disappears) on save.

Dave

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[libreoffice-documentation] Metadata Loss LO 7.1.0.2

2021-01-21 Thread Dave Barton


Version: 7.1.0.2 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 53d68d29d90fd16448721a60aad68c28ff0809f5
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Raster;
VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded

Before raising a bug report I would like to know if anyone else is
seeing this issue:

* Normally when a new document is created in Writer the Document
Properties Title field is automatically filled with the name of the
template (eg. Default) upon which the document is based.

* Changing the Document Properties Title field in a new or existing
document blanks the field in the saved file.

* Opening the saved file in any other version of LO restores the field
lost in version 7.1.0.2

Thanks
Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] re. Accessing NextCloud

2021-05-18 Thread Dave Barton
On 18/05/2021 08:30, Elzett Kotze wrote:
> Hey there,
> 
> Peter Schofield has directed me to this email address.  Hope you can assist
> 
> I'm new to the group and will start to help him review the Draw 7.1
> chapters.
> 
> I created my Single Sign On Account, got confirmation, but when I want to
> logon to the cloud ( https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org) I received
> the following message.
> 
> 
> *Account not provisioned. *
> 
> *Your account is not provisioned, access to this service is thus not
> possible.*
> 
> Not sure if I must wait or still do anything else. Would appreciate some
> assistance. Would like to start reviewing.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Elzett Kotze

To assist Elzett in getting started, I have forwarded copies from the
WIP folder of:
DG7100-Preface for 1st. Review
and
DG7101-IntroducingDraw for 2nd. Review.

I have updated the Guide Status Worksheet on behalf of Elzett.
Elzett estimates that the reviews will be returned by 1st. June.

Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] re. Accessing NextCloud

2021-05-18 Thread Dave Barton
On 18/05/2021 08:30, Elzett Kotze wrote:
> Hey there,
> 
> Peter Schofield has directed me to this email address.  Hope you can assist
> 
> I'm new to the group and will start to help him review the Draw 7.1
> chapters.
> 
> I created my Single Sign On Account, got confirmation, but when I want to
> logon to the cloud ( https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org) I received
> the following message.
> 
> 
> *Account not provisioned. *
> 
> *Your account is not provisioned, access to this service is thus not
> possible.*
> 
> Not sure if I must wait or still do anything else. Would appreciate some
> assistance. Would like to start reviewing.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Elzett Kotze

Hi Elzett,

The Docs Team Coordinator (Olivier Hallot) is the only member of the
team who can provision your account for access to the  documentation
Nextcloud instance. Olivier is a fairly busy guy, but I am sure he will
provision your account asap. Please be patient.

Best Regards
Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] re. access to the LibreOffice Documentation

2021-05-17 Thread Dave Barton

 Original Message 
From: Elzett Kotze [mailto:elz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021, 08:10 UTC
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] re. access to the LibreOffice
Documentation

> Hi,
> 
> I got my SSO username from TDF's authentication services and my login has
> been confirmed. How do I now get access to the LibreOffice Documentation
> folder.
> 
> I am busy working through the Documentation Contributors' Guide.
> 
> I would love to start assisting with reviewing/editing content.
> 
> Please advise.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Elzett

Welcome Elzett,

Our team coordinator will see this message and establish your access to
the Documentation Nextcloud instance.

You are free to choose whatever documentation you want to work on, but
one of our long term contributors (Peter Schofield) has been working
hard to prepare the initial draft of the Draw Guide for LO 7.1 and you
might wish to review some of the completed initial draft chapters.

Best Regards
Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Review Calc Pivot Tables

2021-04-23 Thread Dave Barton

 Original Message 
From: Vasudev Narayanan [mailto:vasudev.naraya...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021, 14:47 UTC
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Review Calc Pivot Tables

> Greetings -
> I intend to review Chapter 8 - Pivot Tables of Calc guide bearing 
> CG7108-PivotTables as the filename. Kindly let me know if I could proceed 
> further. 
> 
> Thank you-Dev
Hi Dev,

If you want to review a chapter of any guide, you do not have to ask.

Assuming that you:
  a) Have Access to our NextCloud instance
 and
  b) Are subscribed to the documentation mailing list,
just go ahead and:

  * Download a copy of the chapter from NextCloud.
  * Open the guide status spreadsheet inside NextCloud.
  * Add your name and initials to the guide contributors.
  * Add your initials to the "Rev2" column of the chapter.
  * Post a message to this mailing list to list,
telling other contributors what you are doing
and the estimated date by which you expect to
complete and return your review.

If you are unsure about anything, or need more help/information,
please do not hesitate to ask on this list.

Thank you for wanting to contribute to the documentation team effort.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Attribution as an author of Calc Guide

2021-04-28 Thread Dave Barton
Hi Filipe,

Knowing Stefan from his previous contributions to the project, I don't
believe he is asking for anything more than a simple acknowledgement, by
adding his name to the "Contributors To previous editions" on the
"Copyright" page of this and future guides. This and every other guide
we produce is based on the original OOo guides (most of which Jean was
_mainly_ responsible for), so I don't think it is necessary to add more
explanations of our origins than those that already exist.

Best Regards
Dave

On 28/04/2021 13:19, Felipe Viggiano wrote:
> Jean,
> 
> 
> About the matter raised by Stefan Weigel, I noticed that in the Chapter
> 08 from Calc Guide 4.1 there is a mention to the original authors:
> 
> "/This chapter is based on and updated from Chapter 8 of the
> OpenOffice.org 3.3 Calc Guide, which was adapted from a German original
> written by Stefan Weigel and translated into English by Sigrid
> Kronenberger.../"
> 
> 
> Perhaps we can insert something like this in the chapter to be
> published, a suggestion:
> 
> "/This chapter is an adaptation from an originally written in german
> chapter by Stefan Weigel and translated into English by Sigrid
> Kronenberger./"
> 
> 
> What do you think about this?
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Felipe Viggiano
> 
> 
> Em 27/04/2021 16:00, Stefan Weigel escreveu:
>> Dear active community,
>>
>> would you mind adding my name to the contributors section of the
>> Calc Guide since I am the original author of chapter 8?
>> Respectively, as well, would you please attribute me as the original
>> author in the prefix of chapter 8, which is published as a separate
>> file?
>>
>> As a matter of fact I am no longer active in the project. Also I am
>> not subscribed to this mailing list anymore (and I hope some
>> moderator will pick up this message ;-) ).
>>
>> However the Pivot Table chapter in the manual still reflects the
>> main structure as well as a good portion of my wording and
>> illustrations that I created formerly in my initial version in
>> German and which I published in September 25th, 2008 under the
>> CC-BY-SA license.
>>
>> Thanks for your cooperation and sorry for the inconvenience.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Stefan Weigel
>>
> 


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Review Calc Pivot Tables

2021-04-24 Thread Dave Barton
This is to let the list know that I am attempting to assist Vasudev with
his issue off-list.

Dave

 Original Message 
From: Vasudev Narayanan [mailto:vasudev.naraya...@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021, 04:44 UTC
To: da...@libreoffice.org; documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Review Calc Pivot Tables

> Greetings -
> 
> It appears my user-id requires access to edit a file in the NextCloud
> Folder. I am able to open the guide status spreadsheet. However, I am
> unable to add/edit any cell values. Can someone assist?
> 
> Meanwhile, I will begin reviewing Chapter 8- Pivot tables.
> 
> Thank you
> -Dev
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Barton 
> To: Vasudev Narayanan ;
> documentation@global.libreoffice.org 
> Sent: Sat, Apr 24, 2021 1:15 am
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Review Calc Pivot Tables
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: Vasudev Narayanan [mailto:vasudev.naraya...@aol.com
> <mailto:vasudev.naraya...@aol.com>]
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021, 14:47 UTC
> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> <mailto:documentation@global.libreoffice.org>
> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Review Calc Pivot Tables
> 
>> Greetings -
>> I intend to review Chapter 8 - Pivot Tables of Calc guide bearing
> CG7108-PivotTables as the filename. Kindly let me know if I could
> proceed further. 
>>
>> Thank you-Dev
> 
> Hi Dev,
> 
> If you want to review a chapter of any guide, you do not have to ask.
> 
> Assuming that you:
>   a) Have Access to our NextCloud instance
>     and
>   b) Are subscribed to the documentation mailing list,
> just go ahead and:
> 
>   * Download a copy of the chapter from NextCloud.
>   * Open the guide status spreadsheet inside NextCloud.
>   * Add your name and initials to the guide contributors.
>   * Add your initials to the "Rev2" column of the chapter.
>   * Post a message to this mailing list to list,
>     telling other contributors what you are doing
>     and the estimated date by which you expect to
>     complete and return your review.
> 
> If you are unsure about anything, or need more help/information,
> please do not hesitate to ask on this list.
> 
> Thank you for wanting to contribute to the documentation team effort.
> 
> Best Regards
> Dave
> 
> 


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Urgent — Installing LO 7.1 on Ubuntu system

2021-02-09 Thread Dave Barton
On 09/02/2021 10:23, Peter Schofield wrote:
> Can someone please give me the instructions on how to install
> LibreOffice 7.1 onto an Ubuntu 20.04 system??? ASAP please I
> have both the DEB and RPM packages downloaded from the LO website,
> but having problems. I think I will have to use Terminal and
> install LO 7.1 using the command line.
> 
> Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Linux

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Unable to open in clac format

2021-03-24 Thread Dave Barton
Please note this is a documentation development mailing list, NOT user
support.

For user support please contact us...@global.libreoffice.org or visit
the user forum: https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/help/

 Original Message 
From: Suraj1 Gade [mailto:suraj1.g...@axisbank.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021, 12:05 UTC
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Unable to open in clac format

> Dear Team,
> 
> I am opening my Excel sheet but automatically it opens in excel format not in 
> Clac Format
> 
> kindly Help
> 
> Regards
> 
> Suraj Gade -294097


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[libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide Review

2021-04-01 Thread Dave Barton

Peter has put a lot of work into updating the Draw and Impress Guides.
To help move publication of the Draw Guide Draw Guide 7.1 along, I have
taken DG7103-WorkingWithObjects for first review. Estimated return date
is 8th. April 2021.

Dave

PS. Sorry if post is duplicated. I use too many email addresses.


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[libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide Review

2021-04-01 Thread Dave Barton

Peter has put a lot of work into updating the Draw and Impress Guides.
To help move publication of the Draw Guide Draw Guide 7.1 along, I have
taken DG7103-WorkingWithObjects for first review. Estimated return date
is 8th. April 2021.

Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Templates dialog problem

2021-03-18 Thread Dave Barton
Can you advise where you see this button when a document is open? Under
Windows 10 LO Version: 7.1.1.2 (x64) I only see the "Extensions" button
at the bottom of the left hand panel in the start center. Clicking that
button opens the link: https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en

Dave

On 18/03/2021 15:20, RIYADH TALAL wrote:
> I tested on win 10:
> 
> Only when a document is opened, the "extensions" button works and displays
> templates from the Extensions
> website (whether experimental features is active or not).
> 
> Seems not to be the intended behavior.
> 
> Riyadh
> 
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 6:03 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
> 
>> I’ve not had time to research this probable bug or misunderstanding.
>> Perhaps someone here knows.
>> In LO 7.1, on the Templates dialog is a new “Extensions” button which is
>> supposed to open a window populated by templates from the Extensions
>> website. It is described in the Release Notes.
>> On my macOS machine, this works as described when experimental features is
>> active, but otherwise does nothing. On Windows 10, it does nothing in
>> either case. I have not tried it on any variant of Linux.
>> Any insight? Thanks.
>> Jean
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Templates dialog problem

2021-03-18 Thread Dave Barton
On 18/03/2021 16:10, sophi wrote:
> Hi,
> Le 18/03/2021 à 16:39, Dave Barton a écrit :
>> Can you advise where you see this button when a document is open? Under
>> Windows 10 LO Version: 7.1.1.2 (x64) I only see the "Extensions" button
>> at the bottom of the left hand panel in the start center. Clicking that
>> button opens the link: https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en
> 
> It doesn't work from the start center, but open a Writer document for
> example, then File > Templates > Manage Templates, in the dialog that
> opens, the extension button is opening a window populated with template
> extensions. At least, under my linux 7.1.0.2 version it works well (and
> I don't experimental features activated.
> Cheers
> Sophie

Hi Sophie,

Thanks for the pointer. It's true that clicking the "Extensions" button
in the Templates Manager dialog does nothing if a document is not open,
but when a document is open the  "Extensions" button in the Templates
Manager dialog opens another internal dialog displaying a scrolling list
of downloadable templates. The above is true for me in LO Version:
7.1.1.2 under both Windows 10 and Linux.

Under LO 7.2 dev. the Templates Manager dialog "Extensions" button is
disabled if a document is not opened. With a document open the Templates
Manager dialog "Extensions" button is enabled and when clicked the same
internal dialog starts to open before crashing the program.

Cheers
Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Templates dialog problem

2021-03-19 Thread Dave Barton
Answering in-line.

 Original Message 
From: RIYADH TALAL [mailto:riyadhta...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021, 17:41 UTC
To: Dave Barton
Cc: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Templates dialog problem

> Hi,
> 
> Jean Weber was talking about LO 7.1 (and you were asking about 7.1.1.2).

Irrelevant. Jean did not specifically identify which of the 7.1.x
releases she was referring to, but the situation is identical in all the
currently available 7.1.x versions.

> If it is fine for you to have the button not-activated if there was no
> document opened, then it is ok.

This is a documentation development list, not a discussion forum about
software bugs. Where did I say that this was or wasn't an issue for me?

> If not, then you may submit a bug report (the displayed templates in the
> "internal window" are diverse and have nothing to do with the type of
> opened document.

I require no instruction about when or for what to submit bug reports,
thank you.

> So, one might ask developers to make those templates
> available even before opening any document; as there is no logic why it
> is not possible).

Again, this is a documentation development list, not a discussion forum
about software bugs and features.

> For 7.2 dev, I tested on win 10 and it crashed, yes.

Not surprising for alpha code still under development.

BTW I am subscribed to this list, so directly sending me duplicates of
your posts is unnecessary.

> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 8:07 PM Dave Barton  <mailto:da...@libreoffice.org>> wrote:
> 
> On 18/03/2021 16:10, sophi wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Le 18/03/2021 à 16:39, Dave Barton a écrit :
> >> Can you advise where you see this button when a document is open?
> Under
> >> Windows 10 LO Version: 7.1.1.2 (x64) I only see the "Extensions"
> button
> >> at the bottom of the left hand panel in the start center.
> Clicking that
> >> button opens the link: https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en
> >
> > It doesn't work from the start center, but open a Writer document for
> > example, then File > Templates > Manage Templates, in the dialog that
> > opens, the extension button is opening a window populated with
> template
> > extensions. At least, under my linux 7.1.0.2 version it works well
> (and
> > I don't experimental features activated.
> > Cheers
> > Sophie
> 
> Hi Sophie,
> 
> Thanks for the pointer. It's true that clicking the "Extensions" button
> in the Templates Manager dialog does nothing if a document is not open,
> but when a document is open the  "Extensions" button in the Templates
> Manager dialog opens another internal dialog displaying a scrolling list
> of downloadable templates. The above is true for me in LO Version:
> 7.1.1.2 under both Windows 10 and Linux.
> 
> Under LO 7.2 dev. the Templates Manager dialog "Extensions" button is
> disabled if a document is not opened. With a document open the Templates
> Manager dialog "Extensions" button is enabled and when clicked the same
> internal dialog starts to open before crashing the program.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New artwork for title page of user guide chapters?

2021-02-26 Thread Dave Barton

Hello Jean,

Is this what you want?
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/rs5C6XMcj46gse5
It is located in the Contributor Resources>Cover 7.1 folder

I suggest you open this file in whatever is your graphics viewing
software and copy it to the clipboard. Then open your local copy of the
template, select the cover page graphic and paste to replace the
existing graphic.

Obviously there are other methods but this worked best for me.

Best Regards
Dave

On 26/02/2021 04:20, Jean Weber wrote:
> Hello Olivier,
> That logo is only part of what I need. Please look on the title page
> of the chapter template. I need a replacement for the  artwork on that
> page, which has the logo plus a graphic on the right, combined in one
> PNG.
> Jean
> 
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 12:55 PM Olivier Hallot
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Jean
>>
>> LibreOffice Documentation/English/Contributor Resources/Cover7.1/
>>
>> has a PNG file with the Community logo. Is that want you need?
>>
>> Regards
>> OLivier
>>
>>
>>
>> Em 25/02/2021 21:12, Jean Weber escreveu:
>>> Olivier,
>>>
>>> Thanks for updating the cover art for the books. We also need the
>>> artwork for the title page of the chapter template. Is that somewhere
>>> or still to be done?
>>> I could try to update that myself, but I only have the PNG to work with.
>>>
>>> Regards, Jean
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:06 AM Olivier Hallot
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jean
>>>>
>>>> I placed in /Contributors Resources/Cover7.1/ a png file with the
>>>> community logo.
>>>>
>>>> The community logo source file in SVG is in same folder, with same file
>>>> name.
>>>>
>>>> I have updated all SVG's and PNG's of the covers for 7.1 with the
>>>> community logo.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Olivier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Em 21/02/2021 02:23, Jean Weber escreveu:
>>>>> Where can I find artwork to be used on the title page of user guide
>>>>> chapters for v7.1? The logo with "Community" added. I assume we'll
>>>>> want to replace the artwork on the chapter template. I saw it when I
>>>>> started v7.1 on Windows. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jean
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
>>>> Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Starmath code documentation

2021-02-27 Thread Dave Barton

 Original Message 
From: Dante Doménech [mailto:dante19031...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021, 12:07 UTC
To: LO Doc Team
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Starmath code documentation

> Hello.
> I was wondering if there's any wiki website for the code documentation.
> In particular I'm interested on starmath documentation.
> If there's one could you point me there?
> If not, where should I create it?

Starmath was the name of a module in the original StarOffice suite.
The current LibreOffice module is known simply as Math and the
documentation can be found here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Math_Guide

Regards
Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Starmath code documentation

2021-02-27 Thread Dave Barton

 Original Message 
From: Regina Henschel [mailto:rb.hensc...@t-online.de]
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021, 19:08 UTC
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Starmath code documentation

> Hi Dante,
> 
> Dante Doménech schrieb am 27.02.2021 um 13:07:
>> Hello.
>> I was wondering if there's any wiki website for the code documentation.
>> In particular I'm interested on starmath documentation.
>> If there's one could you point me there?
> 
> For such, you should start at
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development
> 
> There you can explore "Source Code Documentation", which leads me to
> https://docs.libreoffice.org/starmath.html (I think, the content there
> comes originally from Eric Bachard)
> 
> and look at "Writing Source Code Documentation" how to add the
> information to the code.
> 
>> If not, where should I create it?
>>
> 
> In case you will go with the Wiki, you should start at
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development with Section "Misc."
> (scroll down). It has the single Modules. There you would need to add
> "Math".
> 
> Kind regards
> Regina

Dante, I don't know if you are subscribed to this list, so I am poking
my nose in here again, because Regina is much more involved and
knowledgable about the project code than I am. However, based on 20+
years of observation and experience I do know you can definitely trust
any pointers Regina offers you.

Regards
Dave



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Team Meeting Minutes February 18th 2021 at 18:00 UTC.

2021-02-23 Thread Dave Barton

While I agreed with Peter's previous proposal for the 5th. character
style to be Liberation Mono regular, not emphasis (italic), I don't see
the need for any extended character styles.

The whole purpose of the Documentation Template is for all the guides to
have a consistent set of agreed styles and style naming we all use.
However, I have just been looking back through some recently published
guides, where there appears to be a number of additional character
styles invented "on the fly" and duplicated names added for identical
styles.

In light of the above, trying to reach any kind of consensus on a new
guide template is a totally futile exercise and I don't intend to make
any further comment on the subject.

Dave

On 23/02/2021 08:34, Peter Schofield wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Another think about the new character style and here are my thoughts.
> 
> I think Widget is not informative enough as a name and suggest UI Text, or 
> something similar.
> 
> In UI dialogs you can have two levels of UI text, for example from the 
> Position and Size dialog.
>   Position — main section in bold text
>   Position X — sub-section in normal text
>   Position Y — sub-section in normal text
>   Size — main section in bold text
>   Width — sub-section in normal text
>   Height — sub-section in normal text
> 
> Therefore there should be two new character styles — UI Text Bold and UI Text 
> Normal.
> 
> As you can see, my suggested new name clearly identifies when this character 
> style should be used.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> Technical Writer, Document Foundation
> psaut...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 16:03, Olivier Hallot  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Team
>>
>> Em 18/02/2021 17:17, Olivier Hallot escreveu:
>>> * A 5th character style for the Guides Templates?(OH)
>>>   + purpose: Highlight UI widgets in text
>>> Examples:
>>> ... Select 'Add File Section to Document' radio button to...
>>> ... click 'New Style From Selection' icon ...
>>>   + Suggestion 1: LibreOffice Mono 11pt (Dave Barton, PVT)
>>>   + Suggestion 2: LibreOffice Mono 11pt, italic, light gray background (OH)
>>>   + Bring the proposal to NC (DB), let other comment
>>> AI: Upload sample in Cloud and annouce in mailing list
>>
>> I uploaded a sample file (actually based on the current 7.0 template
>> file) with a proposal for the 5th character style to represent dialog
>> box object ("widgets").
>>
>> the file is
>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/JpM8wq95naG4dZj
>>
>> and can be visited also in the /Contributor Resources/ folder.
>>
>> Regards
>> -- 
>> Olivier Hallot
>> LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
>> Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
>> LibreOffice – free and open source office suite: https://www.libreoffice.org
>> Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Proposed new character style for user guides

2021-02-23 Thread Dave Barton

I am not a translator, but as I understand it, Olivier proposed this
5th. character style mainly for the benefit of translators, see:
https://www.mail-archive.com/documentation@global.libreoffice.org/msg16009.html

While I have many other reservations about the guide documentation
template, I don't believe it will involve much additional effort.
Looking back through some recently published guides there appears to be
a mixed approach to the character style used for naming UI objects
(widgets), where some have the emphasis style and others have the
default style.

Dave

On 23/02/2021 09:20, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> I agree with Jean,
> 
> this means also additional work for all translation teams, when updating
> guides' translation from older versions to 7.1 ...
> 
> Lp, m.
> 
> V V ned., 21. feb. 2021 ob 06:19 je oseba Jean Weber 
> napisala:
> 
>> I've apparently missed previous discussion on this new (5th) character
>> style. Why is it needed? What is the expected or intended value added
>> with this new style? I looked at the sample. Seems to me like a lot of
>> fiddly work for writers/reviewers to change the applied style as we
>> update chapters to v7.1, with no apparent (to me) benefit to the
>> reader.
>>
>> Jean
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:05 AM Olivier Hallot
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Team
>>>
>>> Em 18/02/2021 17:17, Olivier Hallot escreveu:
>>>> * A 5th character style for the Guides Templates?(OH)
>>>>+ purpose: Highlight UI widgets in text
>>>> Examples:
>>>> ... Select 'Add File Section to Document' radio button to...
>>>> ... click 'New Style From Selection' icon ...
>>>>+ Suggestion 1: LibreOffice Mono 11pt (Dave Barton, PVT)
>>>>+ Suggestion 2: LibreOffice Mono 11pt, italic, light gray
>> background (OH)
>>>>+ Bring the proposal to NC (DB), let other comment
>>>> AI: Upload sample in Cloud and annouce in mailing list
>>>
>>> I uploaded a sample file (actually based on the current 7.0 template
>>> file) with a proposal for the 5th character style to represent dialog
>>> box object ("widgets").
>>>
>>> the file is
>>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/JpM8wq95naG4dZj
>>>
>>> and can be visited also in the /Contributor Resources/ folder.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> --
>>> Olivier Hallot
>>> LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
>>> Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
>>> LibreOffice – free and open source office suite:
>> https://www.libreoffice.org
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Heads up! Change in object anchoring for release 7.1

2021-02-28 Thread Dave Barton
On 28/02/2021 11:21, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> Hi Team
> 
> LibreOffice Writer 7.1 dropped the To Page anchoring option when
> inserting an object in the document. Existing To Page anchored objects
> are preserved but not an option anymore for new objects.
> 
> An interesting source for object anchoring and positioning by Mike
> Kaganski may be used in our guides on anchoring:
> 
> https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/199971/multiple-captioned-images/#post-id-199989
> 
> 
> Regards

Hi Olivier,

Thanks for the info.

Do we know what the logic and rational was for removing the "Anchor to
Page" option from the context menu, but keeping it in the "Properties"
dialog?

Regards
Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Heads up! Change in object anchoring for release 7.1

2021-02-28 Thread Dave Barton
On 28/02/2021 12:35, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
> On 28.2.2021 13.21, Olivier Hallot wrote:
>> Hi Team
>>
>> LibreOffice Writer 7.1 dropped the To Page anchoring option when
>> inserting an object in the document. Existing To Page anchored objects
>> are preserved but not an option anymore for new objects.
> 
> This is not entirely true. Gone are the context menu option and toolbar
> button option. Position and size dialog still allows you to set the
> anchoring To Page.
> 
> This was done in https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135836
> 
> Currently, some contributors and users are resisting this change and
> calling for a revert.
> 
> Ilmari

I am another contributor/user calling for a revert. The logic and
reasoning for the bug being opened was irrational.

Dave


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Community disclaimer? Was: Writer Guide update

2021-04-10 Thread Dave Barton
On 10/04/2021 10:39, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> V V pet., 9. apr. 2021 ob 11:19 je oseba Jean Weber 
> napisala:
> 
>> I agree with Felipe that a long Disclaimer is not necessary, but .perhaps
>> we might add a short sentence like, “Other versions of LibreOffice may
>> differ in appearance and functionality.”
>>
> 
> Jean, I find your proposal great. +1 from me.
> 
> Lp, m.

Also +1 from me.

Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide Review

2021-04-11 Thread Dave Barton
On 01/04/2021 20:02, Dave Barton wrote:
> 
> Peter has put a lot of work into updating the Draw and Impress Guides.
> To help move publication of the Draw Guide Draw Guide 7.1 along, I have
> taken DG7103-WorkingWithObjects for first review. Estimated return date
> is 8th. April 2021.
> 
> Dave
> 
> PS. Sorry if post is duplicated. I use too many email addresses.

I have now completed my review of DG7103-WorkingWithObjects and returned
it to the WIP folder. The Status spreadsheet has been updated.

The reviewed document has a small number of suggested text changes and a
couple of comments.

One comment on a specific point is if we want to expand the guide to
cover the "Legacy" toolbars, or simply add a note to the "Slant and
corner radius" section of this chapter, to avoid misleading the reader.
The same consideration should be given to the Help page:
https://help.libreoffice.org/7.1/en-GB/text/shared/01/05230400.html

Dave

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] How to round corners of rectangle shape in Draw?

2021-04-11 Thread Dave Barton
Hi Regina,

On 11/04/2021 02:11, Regina Henschel wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> it is a longer mail, but hopefully it is clearer then.
> 
> Dave Barton schrieb am 10.04.2021 um 18:35:
>> Hi Regina,
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time to reply, but I must be naturally stupid or
>> blind, because I cannot locate these "Custom Shapes" and "Legacy
>> Rectangles" you refer to.
>>
>> As a member of the documentation team I am working to assist in the
>> creation of the Draw User Guide for LO 7.1, but your answer leaves me
>> and I am sure other members of the team, unsure how we can explain these
>> "Custom Shapes" and "Legacy Rectangles" to our users. Any pointers you
>> feel able to offer in this respect would be much appreciated.
>>
>> In the "Position and Size" Dialog there is no control for the corner
>> radius of "Rounded Rectangle" shapes. Yes, it's possible to grab and
>> drag the radius handle for the object on the page, but this provides
>> zero accuracy for the adjustment.
>>
>> I have only been a user of this software for 20+ years and an advocate
>> of LO for 10+ years and now I feel that I no longer understand it.
> 
> Remember back to OpenOffice.org 1.0. At that time none of those shapes
> like "Moon" or "Diamond" exists. They were introduced in OOo2.0.
> OOo1.1.5 had only got the ability to show them, but could not work on them.
> 
> This new added type of shapes are written to file as element
> . They have an own chapter "10.6 Custom Shape" in the
> ODF specification. The term "custom shape" does rarely appear in the UI,
> but I use it as umbrella term, because they are named in file and spec
> that way. The only place were I know "Custom shape" in the UI, is the
> "Text" tab of a Drawing style.
> https://docs.oasis-open.org/office/OpenDocument/v1.3/cs02/part3-schema/OpenDocument-v1.3-cs02-part3-schema.html#__RefHeading__1415908_253892949
> 
> 
> These 'custom shapes' are grouped in toolboxes e.g. "Basic Shapes",
> "Block Arrows" and "Stars and Banners". Those you should know. If you
> are unsure, whether a shape is a 'custom shape' or not, you can look at
> the icon "Toggle extrusion". It is only enabled for 'custom shapes'.
> 
> In the beginning the Drawing toolbar had icons for the rectangle and
> ellipse known from OOo1.0. The toolbox "Basic Shapes" contains
> rectangles and ellipses among others too. That results in lot of
> confusions, like you are confused. Therefore rectangle and ellipse from
> OOo1.0 were removed form the Drawing toolbar, so that they are hidden.
> These shapes from OOo1.0 were collected in two toolbars "Legacy
> Rectangles" and "Legacy Circles and Ovals". The term 'legacy' indicates,
> that these are shapes from OOo1.0. You find these toolbars same as other
> toolbars in menu View > Toolbars.
> 
> If you want to integrate these legacy shapes into the Drawing toolbar,
> that is possible via Tools > Customize. Search for "rectangle" and use
> that one, that has command .uno:RectangleToolbox in the description, and
> search for "ellipse" and use that one, that has command
> .uno:EllipseToolbox in the description.
> 
> There had been some discussions, what to do with the "rounded corner"
> part of the "Position" dialog, if it is not applicable. It has been
> decided, only to disable it. I would have preferred, that it is hidden.
> 
> In the beginning, there exists no UI at all for numerically setting the
> handles of the 'custom shapes'. In the meantime you have a section in
> the lower part of the "Slant and Corner Radius" tab of the
> "Position" dialog. The "Control point" fields can be used in most
> cases to numerically set the position of a custom shape handle. Only
> more than three handles and radial handles (those modify an angle)
> cannot be set with these fields. The values are coordinates relative to
> the left/top corner of the rectangle/parallelogram, which you see, when
> you have selected the shape.
> 
> I consider it a deficit in the Draw User Guide, that it does not clearly
> distinguish the different kind of shapes.
> 
> And in regard to 'custom shapes', there is so much to say about them for
> advanced users, that it would make an entire book. See for example the
> wiki page
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Text_in_Custom_Shapes,
> or for example, do you know, that the "Fontwork" shapes are 'custom
> shapes' too, or do you know how to make your own 'custom shape'?
> 
> 

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] GS7008 Base

2021-02-18 Thread Dave Barton
Just as a little reminder. Have these files been processed through Milos
Sramek's latest "odtclean.py" script:
https://github.com/milossramek/translation-scripts/tree/master/odtclean
Unless you have the facilities to run the script, I suggest you ask
Milos or Oliver to do this before publication.

Kind Regards
Dave

On 18/02/2021 09:49, Jean Weber wrote:
> I have now reviewed this chapter. It needed only one small but
> significant change (from a note from Rob earlier in this thread), plus
> a few trivial changes, mostly to improve page breaks. I propose to
> publish it, if no one objects within 72 hours. Then I will compile the
> full GS book and publish that.
> 
> Jean
> 
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 11:08 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>>
>> I have dropped all of the replacement figures into this chapter. It is
>> in the WiP folder.
>> If you've been waiting until all the figures were redone, now is the
>> time to review the chapter. Someone?
>> (Yes, I know many of you were otherwise occupied last week. I hope
>> you're back to documentation now.)
>>
>> Jean
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 4:25 AM Rob Westein  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jean,
>>>
>>> Uploaded the last figures in a zip file into the WIP folder.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> On 11-02-2021 03:32, Jean Weber wrote:
>>>> Thanks, Rob. I've dropped them into the chapter and uploaded the
>>>> images and the updated chapter file to nextcloud. Still more to come?
>>>> All: This chapter is still looking for reviewers.
>>>> Jean
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 5:03 PM Rob Westein  wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jean,
>>>>>
>>>>> here are some updates of some images. I'm unable to upload them to
>>>>> nextcloud. So I'll share them via dropbox:
>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/afeoa4z49dy8ok7/Update_Base7.0.zip?dl=0
>>>>>
>>>>> /Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07-02-2021 15:37, Rob Westein wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jean,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did another check and and the table definition of "Payment Type" on
>>>>>> page 15, just above "Defining relationships", is not correct. Field
>>>>>> PaymentID is missing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Table Payment Type contains 2 fields:
>>>>>> - PaymentID (Integer) Primary Key
>>>>>> - Type (Text)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04-02-2021 06:56, Rob Westein wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Jean,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> whoops! I will correct them. Thanks for your comment
>>>>>>> /Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04-02-2021 05:51, Jean Weber wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>>>> I started dropping the replacement screenshots into the chapter.
>>>>>>>> Some comments:
>>>>>>>> Figure 1: Text above figure says, "Make sure that the HSQLDB Embedded
>>>>>>>> entry is selected in the Embedded database drop-down menu" but the
>>>>>>>> replacement image (unlike the original image) shows the default
>>>>>>>> Firebird Embedded.
>>>>>>>> Figure 3 also shows Firebird Embedded in the status bar at the bottom.
>>>>>>>> If we're going to tell people to use HSQLDB (at least for the example
>>>>>>>> in this chapter), these two screenshots need to show that.
>>>>>>>> Other pix look okay.
>>>>>>>> Regards, Jean
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 5:14 PM Rob Westein  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jean,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Placed some some screenshots in the WIP folder. It is still not
>>>>>>>>> complete.
>>>>>>>>> Will complete the asap!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 01-02-2021 01:55, Jean Weber wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>> I think the Base screenshots are the most time-consum

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] GS - Base chapter - database files

2021-09-06 Thread Dave Barton
On 06/09/2021 13:55, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> for localization purposes I would need the (English or localized) databases
> (odb) appearing/used in the Base chapter.
> 
> I can't find them on the nextcloud site, maybe I am missing something.
> 
> Best regards,
> Martin

Hi Martin,

I am not 100% sure which specific odb files you are seeking, but most
can be found in the Base 6.4 & 7.0 "Supplement" sub-folders.

Regards
Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Where do I Find subject on tab settings

2021-10-21 Thread Dave Barton
From:Donald H. Taylor [mailto:dtaylor...@hotmail.com]
Sent:Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 21:06 UTC
To:documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject:[libreoffice-documentation] Where do I Find subject on tab
  settings




I am trying to set up a table for filling with words and numbers that need to 
be vertically and horizontally aliened. There will be about 25 lines 
horizontally and about 6 columns wide, on a 8 and �  by 11� paper. Can you help 
on this? There will be anywhere from one to 30 or so numbers aliened 
vertically, along with 1 to 30 words in a column. I have other wrodprossers, 
but I like this betterHi Donald,Sorry, but the mailing list you have posted to 
is reserved for
discussions about documentation development, not for answering user
questions.User support is provided by posting to the user mailing 
list:users@global.libreoffice.orgor by visiting 
thehttps://ask.libreoffice.org/c/englishforum.You will most likely find the 
answer to your question by reading the
chapters about "Tables" and "Paragraph Formatting" in
the Writer User Guide, available for download (free of charge) 
from:https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_GuideI
 trust this will be of some help.RegardsDave
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How to for syntax highlighting code

2022-03-30 Thread Dave Barton
Please note I am subscribed to this list, so it is unnecessary to send a
duplicate post directly to me.

Replying in-line.

On 29/03/2022 23:01, flywire wrote:
> Can you comment in terms of experience formatting code in the guide?

It is unclear what you are asking me to comment on. My experience of
this project goes back to 2010 and beyond, during which time I have
contributed to a number of guides, I am also one of the authors of the
current 7.x guide template.

> I previously commented code colorization should be part of the style running
> any macro behind the scenes. It isn't (ie changing the template does
> nothing).

As explained below, the  "Code" style of the 7.x guide template can be
changed to any Font Color the docs team wish it to be.

I am starting to think we might be talking at cross purposes. I am
talking about a style used in the OTT template used to produce our user
guides and I suspect you are referring the styling of code used to
produce the software. These are two entirely different subjects.

Maybe the use of the term "Code" has led to some misunderstanding. Our
user guides do not contain any usable programming code, but where a
guide needs to explain/illustrate something like one or two lines of
Basic code, the guide author uses the "Code" style as defined below.

> If you look through the guides you'll see a lot of inconsistency
> from random processes.

Please cite a few specific examples of where the docs team have
overlooked this apparently endless stream of errors and inconsistencies.

>1. Extension configuration is not specified anywhere

Please explain what you mean by "Extension configuration". It sounds
like a reference to a software OXT extension, which is something the
docs team have no direct control over.

>2. The code style does not color the text, it's done externally or maybe
>using this macro

The 7.x guide template clearly defines the "Code" style:
* Font = Liberation Mono, Regular, 11 pt.
* Font Color = Automatic (ie. Black) with no other effects.
* Area = Light Gray 5
All of those attributes, including Font Color, can be changed in the 7.x
guide template.

>3. The extension also styles text which can conflict with the
>documentation style

So why add an unnecessary possible conflict?

>4. The hotkey description would be better replaced by a link.

What has a "hotkey description" got to do with a documentation template
style?

> The whole process is pretty poor.

I am sure the entire docs team would welcome an explanation of what we
have been doing so "poorly" over the years.

> On top of that, copy/paste doesn't work
> in pdf -

The issue being discussed here is about the styling used in the 7.x
guide template used to produce the original Open Document Text files for
our user guides.

> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/2022/msg00295.html

The link you cite one of your own posts complaining about what you
perceive to be defects in the way LibreOffice creates PDF files from ODF
files. This is matter you should raise with the developer and/or QA
teams, since the docs team have no control over this.

Sorry but your macro proposal would provide no additional benefit to the
production of our user guides, but would add unnecessary complications
for our authors.

> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 12:39 AM Dave Barton  wrote:
> 
>> Why has this unnecessary macro operation been added to chapter 2 of the
>> "Producing LibreOffice User Guides"?
>> We already have a perfectly good "Code" style in the 7.2x template. If
>> the docs team feel the style needs changing/improving then let's simply
>> agree on a revision of the template, not by adding more complexity to
>> documentation production.
>>
> 


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Hello- I'm emailing from UK. Have some problems sharing a LibreOffice Vanilla file - anyone available to help me via email now?

2022-03-30 Thread Dave Barton

 Original Message 
From: Michael Sefton [mailto:mseft...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 15:10 UTC
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Hello- I'm emailing from UK. Have
some problems sharing a LibreOffice Vanilla file - anyone available to
help me via email now?

> thanks
> mike sefton

Hi Mike,

No, the documentation mailing list is not user support.

Either post to us...@global.libreoffice.org
or
Use the forum: https://ask.libreoffice.org/c/english/5

Dave



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How to for syntax highlighting code

2022-03-29 Thread Dave Barton
On 29/03/2022 13:52, flywire wrote:
> Can someone confirm the process in:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/ProducingLibreOfficeUserGuides#How_to_for_syntax_highlighting_code
> 
> Issues:
> * macro should just set colors without altering style
> * red and green as the predominant colors is a poor choice for
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness
> * keywords highlighted within function names is suspect
> * inconsistent end of line characters
> * random large text
> *
> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/2022/msg00295.html
> 
> There is better syntax highlighting code these days.

Why has this unnecessary macro operation been added to chapter 2 of the
"Producing LibreOffice User Guides"?
We already have a perfectly good "Code" style in the 7.2x template. If
the docs team feel the style needs changing/improving then let's simply
agree on a revision of the template, not by adding more complexity to
documentation production.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Long march towards accessibility

2022-03-29 Thread Dave Barton
On 29/03/2022 11:55, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> Hi Team
> 
> LibreOffice has a tool to check some elements of accessibility (a11y) in
> documents:
> 
> Choose Tools - Accessibility check
> 
> I ran the tool in a random chapter and found some issues, for example:
> 
> - No alt text for graphic 'Image2'
> - The text formatting conveys additional meaning.
> - Text contrast is too low.
> - Hyperlink text is the same as the link address
> 'https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/'
> 
> It may be necessary to define a set of rules to address a11y in our
> chapter. For example, a shorter caption text can serve as 'alt text' of
> images. Other issues may demand for a change in formatting and contents
> display (merged cells in tables).
> 
> Let's run the tool in the chapters, within the review process, ensuring
> we are in the way to turn our guides and other production accessible.
> 
> More information on the Help page
> https://help.libreoffice.org/master/en-US/text/swriter/01/accessibility_check.html?DbPAR=WRITER#bm_id551630942369429
> 
> 
> Cheers

Hi Olivier,

I would agree that we should pay more attention to a11y in our
documentation. However, I feel the Accessibility Check tool needs
additional work to raise it up to a more useable level.

Just some rough basic examples:

* I run the tool on some of my own documents and it shows headings for
all possible issues in the document, not just those that actually do
exist in the document and need consideration. Creating confusion for
inexperienced users.

* The dialog shows 2 instances of items where "The text formatting
conveys additional meaning." is displayed, when the document actually
has a total of 8 identical issues.

* Clicking the "Go to issue" dialog button highlights a 1/2 special
character, which tells the user absolutely nothing about the
accessibility issue, IF ANY.

I haven't yet checked Bugzilla, but I feel this needs to be drawn to the
devs attention.

You are probably aware that the "Help" button in the Accessibility Check
dialog generates a 404 page error.

Regards
Dave



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