[e-gold-list] Re: goldfingercoin.com

2003-11-20 Thread FreeTraders
 'I did not realize freetraders was based on e-gold, or a currency.'

FreeTraders does provide its own in-house currency that is exchanged
between members as either payment for the differential of trade values or
to directly purchase goods or services.
 
 FreeTraders.org's barter credit is valued against the spot price of gold
 (1 trade credit= 0.10 grams of gold) but it is not a backed or redeemable
 currency in and of itself.  

FreeTraders trade credits are a gold-denominated digital currency known as
Goods On Demand or G.O.D. It is not entirely accurate to say they are
not a redeemable currency. While it is true they are not backed by any
stored value, nor are guaranteed redeemable in any other currency, they
are a currency redeemable between members for goods or services. Members
acting as third party market makers have also provided exchange to a
variety of e-currencies including e-gold. They have also been used to
purchase and load debit cards.

While the FT.org trade credit has caused some
 skeptcism and even controversy among some, it is worth noting that five
 minutes alone with your Google will teach you that virtually every barter
 exchange in the world has some sort of in-house currency not redeemable
 for anything but trade with other members who accept it -- the only
 difference is that the great majority of other barter services peg their
 credits' face value to the USD rather than gold.

The key point here is accurate... FT.org trade credits are an in-house,
private, digital gold currency redeemable in trade between members. Most
skeptcism or controversy relating to our currency relates to valuation or
lack of physical backing by gold reserves. If one recognizes money or
currency as anything which is accepted as a medium of exchange... be
that sea shells, paper, coins or credits... then trade credits exchanged
between members certainly qualifies as currency, money and value without
any need for backing by any other currency. The value is fixed at one
tenth gram per 1 G.O.D, so the value is  pegged to gold, offering the same
advantage versus paper currencies as other DGC's. Our advantage is there
is no need to incur the costs of storage, certification, insurance or
exchange rates. Our disadvantage is it is a private currency for use in a
closed system and so cannot be exchanged universally.

The other primary source of skepticism stems from not understanding the
form of organization and the advantages it offers. Our organization is as
a religious order, a church, organized entirely separate and apart from
any nation or state.
Separation of church and state offers members immunity from governmental
intrusion of their private affairs. We owe no allegiance to the state so
our members are free to exchange value one to another in complete privacy
without government regulation or taxation. This explains why we are open
to members only, and although internet users tend to resist membership in
anything, it is the only way to offer the protection of the church.

While DGC users seek freedom from governmental tyranny, the skeptics seem
unable to envision that a church is the ideal sanctuary for freedom.
FreeTraders is a service provided to members of International Order of
Freedom, an international order of individuals and organizations
dedicated to building a free, open and competitive economic system based
on the free and unrestricted exchange of goods, services, information, and
ideals.

Members freely trade any goods or services in exchange for any combination
of goods, services, paper currencies, ecurrencies or trade credits. Our
trading platform enables members to post anything of value for sale or
trade, accept offers, and counter any offer. The negotiated transaction
platform is ideal for bartering any and all terms until satisfactory to
both parties. Trade credits are provided as a convenient, alternative
online currency utilized by members. Online payment processing is also
provided for e-gold and gold money with more to come. We offer our members
freedmom, privacy and unmatched flexibility in exchanging value online
with trading partners across the globe.

Our doors are open to any individual, company or organization worldwide
who wishes to adopt our ideals and utilize our services.

Visit FreeTraders at http://www.freetraders.org


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[e-gold-list] Re: trusting e-gold

2003-11-20 Thread FileMatrix
 Option to set an automatic 'payment delay' on all payments attempted from
 an account.

Another way to deal with large, secure payments is for the system to force
users to confirm payments by email. For example, when a large payment is
pending, the system sends a notification by email and perform the payment
only after the user clicks on the confirmation link (which contains a
temporary password, for that payment only).

This could be even more secure if there are two email accounts (preferably
with different domain names) involved, and asking for two confirmations.

This way, there is no need to set a delay, and the payment can be performed
in minutes.

For more security (and no delays involved), changing some user options
should be performed only after a confirmation from such a notification
email. For example: changing the password, changing the minimum amount of
money from which confirmations are required, changing the email address
(here, the notification email has to be sent to the old address).


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[e-gold-list] Re: trusting e-gold

2003-11-20 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
George:
  Option to set an automatic 'payment delay' on all payments attempted
from
  an account.

 You can't have the option to set a delay for payments because if the user
 would be able to set this option, it would also be possible for the thief
to
 un-set it before he would still the money.


Obviously it will be set up in such a way that changes in 'payment delay'
will also use the payment delay period before they take effect.
The thief can set it 0 , but it will be another 24 hours (or whatever) until
he can steal money..
And of course an email will warn you that the payment delay setting has been
changed in your account.



David:
 I'd add that, rather than having to deal with multiple accounts,
 it'd be more straight-forward to allow the user to configure a
 certain threshhold to differentiate between payment types.


That will be much more complicated to implement and also much more difficult
to understand and explain to new users.

I am looking for a really simple way to prevent theft from my account.
A 'payment delay' and 'full email notification' are just two extra fields in
the customer database.
With these 2 new functions in place I can have a 2 digit password or even
give my password to you, and you will not be able to steal from this
account.
That's what I call safe.
Many people have savings accounts and current accounts in the bank, so using
2 e-gold accounts will not be such an alien idea to most users.


 Taking the idea one step further, I wouldn't object if I could
 add a second threshhold which requires even further authentication,
 such as physical mail or a telephone call.  I'd be willing to
 agree to a US$10 charge for each payment authenticated in this
 fashion.

Not a bad idea, but it will mean a lot of extra overhead and much more
complicated system.
But your willingness to pay $10 for this extra service is telling how people
feel about the safety of an e-gold account.


Robert:
  1) Option to have email notification whenever somebody logs in to my
account
  and whenever a transaction is done.
 
 You do have a point there. Of course, there is the issue about privacy.
 Emails are not exactly secure and I can think of several reasons why
 someone wouldn't want an email sent out each time. On the other hand there
 could be a PGP option.

Since it will be optional, those who don't want to receive emails each time
need not use the new feature.
Also the email message can be really short like : There was activity in
your account
If that is still too unprivate, PGP is a possibility, or even simpler, let
the user set the message text he wants to receive.
Then the email message could read: Come see what's happening to big Beth!
, and you will know that there was activity in your e-gold account, while
everybody else who gets to see the message will think it is spam.



 That would then require that people have PGP
 installed and it would make things more complicated for normal consumers.

Too complicated indeed.


 Someone said that Pecunix's weakness is the difficulty to set up an
 account, or somesuch and I have to say that our inhouse kid genius tech
 improvisario had to look three times at the instructions and then shook
 his head and said that (L)users will never take to it - his words.


Oh sure, it costs them a lot of business, and it is not safer at all.
Now you have to keep the password sequences in store on paper or on a
computer somewhere, because it is absolutely impossible to remember them.

While just full email notification and payment delay can make an
account totally safe without the need for such very complicated login
procedures.



 It appears to be the old story were people give up saftety for perceived
 comfort. And I think if e-gold was more sophisticated and more difficult
 to use, people would look for easier alternatives.
 Remember, the majority of the herd is stricty ignorant and often violently
 argue their right to ignorance ;o)


It is not so much they are ignorant.
Many are not so tech savvy , and if they don't understand a system they
perceive it as unsafe.
Some will argue that an e-gold account with a good passphrase is totally
safe, but that's not what matters to people, it is their 'perception' of
safety or unsafety that convinces them or not.
This perception of safety depends to a large extent on how well they feel
'in touch' with the account: are they in control or not.
That's where full email notification, that alerts them of every activity in
the account, is so important: it makes them feel in control and they can
correct if something has gone wrong.


  2) Option to set an automatic 'payment delay' on all payments attempted
from
  an account.
 
 Actually, you'd be on very thin ice with delaying payments. I think most
 merchants would be up in arms and vote with their feet. I know that we
 would.


But it is 'optional', and how it would affect you?
I use my account with 24 hour p.d. to pay for something on your site today.
Once you see the gold 

[e-gold-list] Re: trusting e-gold

2003-11-20 Thread James M. Ray
At 1:02 PM +0200 11/20/03, Danny Van den Berghe wrote:
...
And of course an email will warn you that the payment delay setting has been
changed in your account.


I'm dubious of the benefits of this feature, it seems to me that
the LACK of any delay is part of e-gold's charm, but...


...

I am looking for a really simple way to prevent theft from my account.
...

Three words: Buy a Mac! :) (I couldn't resist, and JP would 
have said it anyway!)


Or at least get very-good at updating whatever you use, which
these days can be automated in most cases. And for heaven's
sake, if you're hitting a secure site, *DON'T* use IE! Other 
browsers abound, go spend five minutes and try one today! A
lot of those fake-site URLs don't even load for me in Mozilla...
JMR




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[e-gold-list] Delayed payments

2003-11-20 Thread Viking Coder
Delayed payments have been instituted in e-gold - The peasants rejoice.

You create another acct to use for delayed payments, while still keeping
the original account for instant/normal payments.

You feel and happy, safe  secure and drop your guard. Now some black-hat
has your acct password(s). They take of the metal in the normal account
and process 10 000 (no delimter, just a small space) microspend orders in
the delayed account. Your email acct crashes, and you don't know the
difference. When your ISP cleans up the mess - if they don't just drop
your account, you realise that all of metal (including delayed) is gone.
On top of that, Jay is scrambling to bring the server back online after it
crashed, or became super-sluggish from having to fire off 10,000 emails.

If you set a payment limit on delayed, or authorized, payments (i.e.
restrict all payments  10 AUG) then the crook will just make multiple
spends to limbo under the line - since (s)he can just look at acct info.
The only difference with above is that no systems are compromised by
overload, but all of your metal is still irretrievably gone.

[ad hominem attack elided for sake of civilized discussion]


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[e-gold-list] Re: trusting e-gold

2003-11-20 Thread Robert B.Z.
Danny:

   1) Option to have email notification whenever somebody logs in to my
 account...

I'm almost sold - the fact that it would be optional and I can turn it
off, would do it for me ;o)
The privacy issue would have been less the content of the message, but the
sender. Check citizen 827464aq0284: 92 messages received from
smtp.e-gold.com in the past 2 months - we better ask the citizen to
declare the account activities in the upcoming tax return /snoop
 
 
   2) Option to set an automatic 'payment delay' on all payments attempted
 from
   an account.
  
 But it is 'optional', and how it would affect you?
 I use my account with 24 hour p.d. to pay for something on your site today.
 Once you see the gold coming into your account tomorrow you send me the
 goods...
 If I cancel the payment during the 24 hour p.d. you don't see any gold
 coming in and you don't send anything.

It would force merchants to change procedures, developm more complicated
payment verification systems and be basically enough of a pain in the
proverbial for us to refuse delayed payment orders.
I feel the fact that e-gold payments are instantaneous and irrevocable is
one of e-gold's main strengths and one of the reasons why we accept it.

But hey, I am biased here ;o)
Cheers,
Robert.

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[e-gold-list] Re: Gold-Cart Article

2003-11-20 Thread Robert B.Z.
And the funny thing is that I said about 24 hours ago that something like
that was exactly what was needed - of course I suggested e-gold instead of
pecunix - but I will give this a try.
Would be great if it worked with evocash, but I guess that might be a bit
much to ask :o)

Thanks Sidd.
Cheers,
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[e-gold-list] Re: trusting e-gold

2003-11-20 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
 ...
 And of course an email will warn you that the payment delay setting has
been
 changed in your account.
 

 I'm dubious of the benefits of this feature, it seems to me that
 the LACK of any delay is part of e-gold's charm, but...


No problem , I'll use a second account with no delay setting , if I want to
use that 'charm'...


 I am looking for a really simple way to prevent theft from my account.
 ...

 Three words: Buy a Mac! :) (I couldn't resist, and JP would
 have said it anyway!)


 Or at least get very-good at updating whatever you use, which
 these days can be automated in most cases. And for heaven's
 sake, if you're hitting a secure site, *DON'T* use IE! Other
 browsers abound, go spend five minutes and try one today! A
 lot of those fake-site URLs don't even load for me in Mozilla...


A Mac or whatever doesn't solve the question at all.

98% of the people don't understand anything at all about how computers work
and how safe is the passphrase.
Their question is not how they can keep their password safe.

Their question is: what happens when somebody manages to get into my
account?
They skip the entire login procedure and want to know what happens when
somebody else gets in (no matter how), and the answer to that question will
determine how safe they see it to keep larger amounts in the system.
They assume an account on the internet CAN be cracked (and they are right),
and they want to know 'what if...'
They assume somebody can come in their account by mistake of the server...

What are the safety mechanism built into e-gold once the 'thief' is already
in the account?
That's what most of the users want to know before they put money in an
account on the internet.

And E-gold has to answer : absolutely zero.
Not even an email that notifies them if there was activity in the account...
Nothing that stops or delays the thief to take the gold somewhere else...
Completely nothing..
The gold can simply be taken away to an account with false ID, and cashed
out anywhere on the globe..
Nearly impossible to get it back.
And a Mac won't change this...

So, no safety mechanisms.
Then , how can it be a surpise that we see an average balance of less than 3
gram in e-gold ?


You can have my passwords for my internet bank, for paypal, for my brokerage
account, and there is very little you will be able to do there without me
finding out and stopping your eventual attempts to steal.

Email notifications and payment delay option would put e-gold in the same
safety category.
Thiefs can be detected and stopped with it.

Forced user confirmation by the customer via a link in an email, like George
suggests, would achieve the same, but I am not so in favor of e-gold emails
with links in them.
It is also time consuming with these confirmation links...



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[e-gold-list] Re: trusting e-gold

2003-11-20 Thread Viking Coder
 If that is still too unprivate, PGP is a possibility, or even simpler, let
 the user set the message text he wants to receive.
 Then the email message could read: Come see what's happening to big Beth!

If this were to be implemented, the fake-email scammers would name you as
their patron saint.

Why bother going through all the trouble of faking email headers when you
can have e-gold's server send an authentic email? Change your email
address to the mark's and have your text read Click here to login to your
account immeadiately and perform a restricted spend, or simply log in to
your account. This would also great for mail-bombing anybody you don't
like, or simply a very effective way to DOS the e-gold servers.

Set your acct to allow automated logins, whip up a couple nifty scripts,
and you're off and running with your very own mail-bomber/spam-engine
courtesy of your friendly, neighborhood DGC.


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[e-gold-list] Re: New Shopping Cart System Accepts Multiple Gold Currencies

2003-11-20 Thread Patrick Chkoreff


On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 11:16 AM, The Gold Economy wrote:

Garzoo, Inc. has launched a new shopping cart service that accepts 
multiple
gold currencies.  Called Gold-Cart, this shopping cart service 
currently
allows merchants to accept payments from e-gold, GoldMoney, 1MDC, 
e-Bullion
and Pecunix.

http://goldeconomy.com/ct/t.php?l=135


That is WAY cool!  I just bought the funny story for $0.05, paying with 
1mdc.

The mixture of Pecunix, Open2Exchange, and Garzoo is HOT!

Now a merchant who wants to start accepting this gold stuff can just 
do this:

1.  Create a Pecunix account.
2.  Create a Gold-Cart account and set up the products to be sold.
Poof.  You now have a fully functional web store and a listing on 
Garzoo.  Sales and marketing right out of the starting gate.

And you don't have to worry about which currencies you'll accept.  Just 
accept Pecunix and anyone can pay you.

-- Patrick
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[e-gold-list] Re: New Shopping Cart System Accepts Multiple Gold Currencies

2003-11-20 Thread FileMatrix
www.gold-cart.com

So, yet another site from Sidd...


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[e-gold-list] Cash Card Service - What is that url that compares cash card services? Xodds.com

2003-11-20 Thread Guido Farrugia


I remember to have stumbled across a page which compares cash card
services sometime ago but can't recall the url - Can someone point it to
me please?

Also, do you have an opinion on which are the best and most cost-effective
e-gold cash cards around?  I know there are a number of merchants offering
such services but few remain around for long or provide a top-notch
service and the last thing we want is having something to do with a ponzi
scheme.  Presently we use Loyal Bank; and we don't really have anything to
complain about them except that the fees are rather significant so we
would like a backup and possibly a replacement.

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P.S Gold Exchangers are welcome to send me offers but anyone who contacts
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[e-gold-list] Re: trusting e-gold

2003-11-20 Thread James M. Ray
At 6:54 PM +0200 11/20/03, Danny Van den Berghe wrote:
 ...
 
 I am looking for a really simple way to prevent theft from my account.
 ...

 Three words: Buy a Mac! :) (I couldn't resist, and JP would
 have said it anyway!)
...
A Mac or whatever doesn't solve the question at all.

Actually, long hard experience suggests that the users of
alternative operating systems (or at least browser/email
combinations) have WAY fewer security hassles, for
whatever reason (there might be a few).

98% of the people don't understand anything at all about how computers work
and how safe is the passphrase.
Their question is not how they can keep their password safe.

Their question is: what happens when somebody manages to get into my
account?
...

Right now, good security hygiene is by-far your best
defense, but prevention has always beat cures.

Forced user confirmation by the customer via a link in an email, like George
suggests, would achieve the same, but I am not so in favor of e-gold emails
with links in them.
...

Me either. Email is an insecure medium, and if I want
to use an insecure medium to do something, why not
let it be AIM or ICQ? (Both services are owned by 
AOL/Time-Warner, believe it or not!) so I can at least
have close-to-instant speed with my insecurity! Lots
of people (like my brother) are lucky to check their
emails once a week!
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[e-gold-list] Re: Cash Card Service - What is that url that compares cash card services? Xodds.com

2003-11-20 Thread Norman John
I think you will find that info in this thread: 
Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:12:54 -0400 
Author:  Gold Pages Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject:  Debit Cards
If you do a search.:)





 

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[e-gold-list] Re: Delayed payments

2003-11-20 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 12:06 PM, Robert B.Z. wrote:

How about agreeing that people who get their metal stolen because they 
use
too easy a password or have it on a postit next to their monitor 
*deserve*
to loose their stash because it keeps them among other pedestrians and
stuck with ugly chicks? In that way they stay pretty much out of our 
gene
pool and give Darwin a chance...
:-)

Yes, it's generally better not to shield them too much so they can 
learn sooner.  Better to log in through an email link today and lose 10 
grams than to do it next year and lose 200 grams.


Remember how it was when kids beat each other up and got stronger from 
it
instead of their parents being sued?
Yes, I remember.  Nobody died and we still have all our teeth.


Remember how we rode our bikes without helmets, brakes and lights, 
crashed
twice a year, broke limbs and teeth?
Yes, we rode 'em something fierce, racing, jumping, occasionally 
crashing and losing some hide on the asphalt.


Remember how caring parents actually let us burn ourselves ever so
slightly so we'd get an idea why they kept saying it was dangerous?
Yep.  We learned.


Remember when human interaction didn't involve the constant scare of 
who
will sue you next?
Hell yeah.

I also remember when people quit smoking cancer sticks as they were 
commonly called in the 1970's instead of waiting around for emphysema 
to set in so they could sue the cigarette manufacturers.

Or, some people just CUT BACK on smoking or drinking, moderating their 
consumption.  That concept is somewhat anathema in today's irrational 
Zero Tolerance culture.

-- Patrick

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[e-gold-list] Visa or MasterCard can be reloaded with e-gold need some

2003-11-20 Thread Gold Pages Staff
Who offers a Visa or MasterCard which can be reloaded with e-gold or
other.  The loading must be quick 24-48 hrs. NOT 4-5 days.  Please email
me direct we need a few.

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[e-gold-list] Re: Delayed payments

2003-11-20 Thread Wilkinson Jens
I personally like the idea of some kind of security, but
it would clearly impose some limitations. What about a
solution such as the following: lots of banks have
different types of accounts, like checking versus savings.
Why not have "receive/spend" accounts, that are
instantaneous the way they are now, and then have a
different type ("savings") accounts that have all sorts of
security features such as e-mail confirmation or payment
delays, etc? Then the merchants have no trouble at all to
deal with. People who want to store money in an account
(versus just putting in enough to spend) could use the
savings-type account and then move money (with a delay or
whatever) into the spend account when they want to use it.
I personally would feel safer about placing money into
e-gold if I had slightly more security. 

Actually this brings me to another comment. I've never
seen a bank before where accounts had different numbers of
digits (presumably varying from one to seven now). I know
it's convenient system-wise, and impossible to change now,
but it does seem a bit clumsy in terms of making sure
whether a number is correct or not. 

Jens Wilkinson


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